[Samseau]

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I love you Samseau but do disagree with pretty much everything you've laid out here. As many times as you have referred to these women as whores, I think you have made some major assumptions to get yourself there. Remember, not everyone here shares the thought of those assumptions being true or factual in any way. Like I said before, a lot of it is assumption based on conjecture. You say that they were fucking for cash and we say they were fucking for resources (like any girl does by the way)

1. There is no difference between a girl who fucks for money or resources. But, there is a difference between a whore who trades her vagina for something else besides the love of a man. That's why I call whores those who fuck for cash and prizes.

2. Your implication that all women fuck only for resources is false. Not only have I banged plenty of girls for zero resources on my part, but so have tens of millions of other men. Additionally, a woman who marries a man for ordinary provisioning is not whoring herself out since ordinary provisioning can be provided by the majority of ordinary men. Therefore the common housewife is not whoring because she did not merely marry the richest man she could find.

Your argument is reductionism, a common philosophical error. The idea that all women are whores is absurd compared with our everyday experience and relies on heavy slanting of definitions.

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Again, the term whoring is all over the place as if it's true. I don't believe it is. That makes pretty much every woman that fucks out of wedlock a whore. Women fuck men for basic things like protection and resources. Neither of these in any part of our history were exclusive reasons. There's usually a combination of the two and as society has shifted, women have shifted more to resources as they already receive protection from the government. This shouldn't be hard to decipher.

Again, we see the absurd reductionism on display in bold. If resources are all that women are after, why do they choose one man over any other million men with similar access to resources? Why do some women have sex with just a few men while other women have sex with thousands? The answer: because some are normal women and the others are broken whores.

The idea that since women only have sex with men who have a minimum level of resources they are all therefore whores is, quite frankly, ridiculous reasoning. You are reducing all of the world's phenomena down to a single focal point (sexual exchange) with absolutely no justification. Completely ignored are the myriad of reasons women have sex, such as attraction to the man and his personality or the desire to have children with them.

No one can call themselves a player if they do not understand this, because it means they have never seduced a woman with game before.

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Before I provide my thoughts, let's lay down the facts. Women have wanted 2 things for all of history from men: protection and resources. The level of how much each man can give has changed over time. Even the promise of those things or indicators of them have been leveraged over time and eventually became known as game.

False premise with false conclusions. You shift from women wanting 2 things, to women only wanting 2 things. Logical error detected.

Game is not merely the leveraging of these attributes either.

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Free pussy: Bro pussy isn't free and it never will be. The opportunity cost of Hef trying to find this talent and attract it cost him in the same vein as doing 100 approaches and getting a few numbers. Except at the end of the day Hef banged better talent.

More illogical reductionism: that because both normal women and whores have a "cost", therefore all women are whores.

The flaw is in how the word "cost" is used. There is a massive difference between paying a whore with cash and gaming a normal woman with game. Just because they both "cost" the man something does not change the fundamentals. A whore fucks ANYONE if the price is right. Normal women do not. Normal women care about other things in their men besides money!

The whores Hugh banged have been with hundreds, if not thousands, of men. The 23 year I had on my bed a few weeks ago had been with fewer than fifty men, perhaps even less than twenty. The reason is because the whore only sees sex as a means for more money, whereas the normal woman is 100x more selective and wants a man she can actually love.

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Whores: Again, I'm not sure how we got here and why some women are whores when they sleep with a high value man with resources and other women are not.

Who is talking about "high value men"? You or me? I've only been talking about women, and their intentions: if she merely wants access to cash and prizes, she's a whore.

If she's only with a man because she just wants his stuff, she's a whore or a gold digger (the gold digger is far more selective and looks for LTRs over the whore's fuck for cash scheme - both similar but there is a difference). But if she's with a man because she loves him, even though there may be thousands of other men out there with the exact same level of wealth, she's a normal woman.

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In biblical times, the standard was that women are whores if they bang out of wedlock.

Not true. For example, in the OT a man who takes a girl's virginity but decides not to marry her could still pay the father a large fine. The girl was not regarded as a whore afterwards. Whores were still seen as those who used their sex selfishly for cash and prizes.

Moreover, in the olden days there was barely any consideration of casual sex. Sex was 100x more risky and far fewer people had sex outside of marriage or without some kind of whoring.

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Today many women bang out of wedlock but Leo bangs them with his fame and it's all good, yet Hef bangs them and puts them in his magazine and makes money off of them, whores and out you go. A lot of this is assumption based on cultural norms and mores, not fact. Come on man.

Nonsense, cultural norms have nothing to do with this, it's all based on intentions. If a woman fucks a man with the sole intent of getting some kind of resource in exchange, she's a whore. If she fucks because she's turned on and horny, then she's a normal woman with normal intentions.

Now, whether or not whoring is bad or good is a matter of "cultural norms," but I don't know any man who'd ever want their daughter to grow up to be a whore.

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Without that carrot to dangle... no free pussy: Game is about dangling the carrot. You are trying to convey your high value a lot of times without having it. So... if you have it why the fuck is it not game all of a sudden? See my point? Just like that Hef dangled the carrot aka his cock and women came for it. Even if he didn't make money off of them, he did bang them. As far as the free pussy thing, I digress at this point.

More illogical reductionism. You are claiming that if a man offers anything at all to a woman, then you are no different than any other whoremonger. Laughably ridiculous.

Normal men can dangle themselves as the carrot, whoremongers dangle something else besides themselves - cash and prizes.

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Famous men who get girls with no promise of reward: There is always a dangling carrot and there is always the promise of a potential for fame. Whether she bangs Leo or Hef, there is game involved. Now, Leo's game may be better BUT he is still leveraging his resources. Hef may be dangling the carrot but I'm pretty sure he didn't bang these women only after signing a contract with them that they will be playmates. If you can prove that somehow, you are the man. There was always a potential reward, NOT a guarantee. That's called persuasion aka game. If they were hot, he put them in the magazine and made money off of them.

I'll use a real life example. I sell consulting services to clients by persuading them that their project will be successful 3 or 6 months down the line. Most times it is and some times it's not. However, I got them to agree that it is. That said, it's much easier for me to do because I can draw on my experience. A schmoe off the street that just got into my business that doesn't have that experience or resources is just not going to be that good unless he works on it. Same concept. Again, persuasion.

You illogically reduced the definition of the word "potential" down to "anything that is rewarding."

You claimed that a woman who sleeps with Leo, who offers her nothing except a chance to be his girlfriend, is the same as a woman sleeping with Hugh, who probably couldn't give a shit about Hugh except for the chance to get into Playboy and make a name for herself. Self-evidently absurd to claim the two situations are equivalent, since the intentions involved are opposite: in one situation we see a woman who wants the man, in the other situation we see a woman who is using the man for something else.

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I have met many forum members. I'm not sure how many you have met. The ones with resources always stand out as the men that pull better quality than the ones that don't. The players that have been more consistently able to pull tail are: Doctors, lawyers and successful business men. Yes, these are forum members. Unless you are in their circle and they respect you as someone with game, it's hard to be in their company. Now, the same men would probably pull tail if they didn't have these resources, by sheer approaching and getting numbers, but they would also end up in a cardboard box approaching for food instead. That's an extreme case scenario but a top level man in his field is pulling better talent than some 9 - 5 guy in a cube, because they chose to work on their lifestyle before women. Trust me an 8 that bangs a guy with little or no resources is leaving that guy to bang a higher quality man with game in a loft or rooftop while sipping on some good wine to loosen her up.

I recently received a PM from a good forum member with the question: Hey Cobra, I'm busting my ass to become very successful and not gaming like I should. I'm getting dissuaded by certain forum members that don't see this as a path to better game. My answer: It ABSOLUTELY IS THE PATH TO BETTER GAME. Be PROUD of your value as a man and be proud of what you earn from achievements. Become a HIGH VALUE MAN. Women respect high value men with game. The fact that there are high value men with no game is a fact of life BUT we tend to forget about those that do on the forum. If you can leverage your resources to pull talent you are essentially "Almost Famous." I would rather spend my good years acquiring resources than approaching at the cost of not having as many resources. I hope I'm able to help this forum member see this in some little way.

Approaching is cool if you have settled with life and don't want to move forward in your career and lifestyle but you will also be stuck with subpar talent. Losers can only play winners for so long. Do something with life and learn game at your pace without worrying too much about it. You will be delighted at the results.

TL;DR: Men that game with resources > Men that game without resources

This has nothing to do with anything in the thread. Regardless I've been teaching the difference between Passive and Active Game for years:

http://www.returnofkings.com/999/passive...ctive-game

You're one of those guys who think passive game is king, yet conveniently ignore the poor odds and long time invested to acquire a high passive value. Truth is, it's best to focus on both at the same time. Never neglect either because they take a looooong time to perfect.

[debeguiled]

[justforfun19713]

(10-12-2017 05:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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I love you Samseau but do disagree with pretty much everything you've laid out here. As many times as you have referred to these women as whores, I think you have made some major assumptions to get yourself there. Remember, not everyone here shares the thought of those assumptions being true or factual in any way. Like I said before, a lot of it is assumption based on conjecture. You say that they were fucking for cash and we say they were fucking for resources (like any girl does by the way)

1. There is no difference between a girl who fucks for money or resources. But, there is a difference between a whore who trades her vagina for something else besides the love of a man. That's why I call whores those who fuck for cash and prizes.

2. Your implication that all women fuck only for resources is false. Not only have I banged plenty of girls for zero resources on my part, but so have tens of millions of other men. Additionally, a woman who marries a man for ordinary provisioning is not whoring herself out since ordinary provisioning can be provided by the majority of ordinary men. Therefore the common housewife is not whoring because she did not merely marry the richest man she could find.

Your argument is reductionism, a common philosophical error. The idea that all women are whores is absurd compared with our everyday experience and relies on heavy slanting of definitions.

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Again, the term whoring is all over the place as if it's true. I don't believe it is. That makes pretty much every woman that fucks out of wedlock a whore. Women fuck men for basic things like protection and resources. Neither of these in any part of our history were exclusive reasons. There's usually a combination of the two and as society has shifted, women have shifted more to resources as they already receive protection from the government. This shouldn't be hard to decipher.

Again, we see the absurd reductionism on display in bold. If resources are all that women are after, why do they choose one man over any other million men with similar access to resources? Why do some women have sex with just a few men while other women have sex with thousands? The answer: because some are normal women and the others are broken whores.

The idea that since women only have sex with men who have a minimum level of resources they are all therefore whores is, quite frankly, ridiculous reasoning. You are reducing all of the world's phenomena down to a single focal point (sexual exchange) with absolutely no justification. Completely ignored are the myriad of reasons women have sex, such as attraction to the man and his personality or the desire to have children with them.

No one can call themselves a player if they do not understand this, because it means they have never seduced a woman with game before.

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Before I provide my thoughts, let's lay down the facts. Women have wanted 2 things for all of history from men: protection and resources. The level of how much each man can give has changed over time. Even the promise of those things or indicators of them have been leveraged over time and eventually became known as game.

False premise with false conclusions. You shift from women wanting 2 things, to women only wanting 2 things. Logical error detected.

Game is not merely the leveraging of these attributes either.

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Free pussy: Bro pussy isn't free and it never will be. The opportunity cost of Hef trying to find this talent and attract it cost him in the same vein as doing 100 approaches and getting a few numbers. Except at the end of the day Hef banged better talent.

More illogical reductionism: that because both normal women and whores have a "cost", therefore all women are whores.

The flaw is in how the word "cost" is used. There is a massive difference between paying a whore with cash and gaming a normal woman with game. Just because they both "cost" the man something does not change the fundamentals. A whore fucks ANYONE if the price is right. Normal women do not. Normal women care about other things in their men besides money!

The whores Hugh banged have been with hundreds, if not thousands, of men. The 23 year I had on my bed a few weeks ago had been with fewer than fifty men, perhaps even less than twenty. The reason is because the whore only sees sex as a means for more money, whereas the normal woman is 100x more selective and wants a man she can actually love.

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Whores: Again, I'm not sure how we got here and why some women are whores when they sleep with a high value man with resources and other women are not.

Who is talking about "high value men"? You or me? I've only been talking about women, and their intentions: if she merely wants access to cash and prizes, she's a whore.

If she's only with a man because she just wants his stuff, she's a whore or a gold digger (the gold digger is far more selective and looks for LTRs over the whore's fuck for cash scheme - both similar but there is a difference). But if she's with a man because she loves him, even though there may be thousands of other men out there with the exact same level of wealth, she's a normal woman.

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In biblical times, the standard was that women are whores if they bang out of wedlock.

Not true. For example, in the OT a man who takes a girl's virginity but decides not to marry her could still pay the father a large fine. The girl was not regarded as a whore afterwards. Whores were still seen as those who used their sex selfishly for cash and prizes.

Moreover, in the olden days there was barely any consideration of casual sex. Sex was 100x more risky and far fewer people had sex outside of marriage or without some kind of whoring.

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Today many women bang out of wedlock but Leo bangs them with his fame and it's all good, yet Hef bangs them and puts them in his magazine and makes money off of them, whores and out you go. A lot of this is assumption based on cultural norms and mores, not fact. Come on man.

Nonsense, cultural norms have nothing to do with this, it's all based on intentions. If a woman fucks a man with the sole intent of getting some kind of resource in exchange, she's a whore. If she fucks because she's turned on and horny, then she's a normal woman with normal intentions.

Now, whether or not whoring is bad or good is a matter of "cultural norms," but I don't know any man who'd ever want their daughter to grow up to be a whore.

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Without that carrot to dangle... no free pussy: Game is about dangling the carrot. You are trying to convey your high value a lot of times without having it. So... if you have it why the fuck is it not game all of a sudden? See my point? Just like that Hef dangled the carrot aka his cock and women came for it. Even if he didn't make money off of them, he did bang them. As far as the free pussy thing, I digress at this point.

More illogical reductionism. You are claiming that if a man offers anything at all to a woman, then you are no different than any other whoremonger. Laughably ridiculous.

Normal men can dangle themselves as the carrot, whoremongers dangle something else besides themselves - cash and prizes.

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Famous men who get girls with no promise of reward: There is always a dangling carrot and there is always the promise of a potential for fame. Whether she bangs Leo or Hef, there is game involved. Now, Leo's game may be better BUT he is still leveraging his resources. Hef may be dangling the carrot but I'm pretty sure he didn't bang these women only after signing a contract with them that they will be playmates. If you can prove that somehow, you are the man. There was always a potential reward, NOT a guarantee. That's called persuasion aka game. If they were hot, he put them in the magazine and made money off of them.

I'll use a real life example. I sell consulting services to clients by persuading them that their project will be successful 3 or 6 months down the line. Most times it is and some times it's not. However, I got them to agree that it is. That said, it's much easier for me to do because I can draw on my experience. A schmoe off the street that just got into my business that doesn't have that experience or resources is just not going to be that good unless he works on it. Same concept. Again, persuasion.

You illogically reduced the definition of the word "potential" down to "anything that is rewarding."

You claimed that a woman who sleeps with Leo, who offers her nothing except a chance to be his girlfriend, is the same as a woman sleeping with Hugh, who probably couldn't give a shit about Hugh except for the chance to get into Playboy and make a name for herself. Self-evidently absurd to claim the two situations are equivalent, since the intentions involved are opposite: in one situation we see a woman who wants the man, in the other situation we see a woman who is using the man for something else.

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I have met many forum members. I'm not sure how many you have met. The ones with resources always stand out as the men that pull better quality than the ones that don't. The players that have been more consistently able to pull tail are: Doctors, lawyers and successful business men. Yes, these are forum members. Unless you are in their circle and they respect you as someone with game, it's hard to be in their company. Now, the same men would probably pull tail if they didn't have these resources, by sheer approaching and getting numbers, but they would also end up in a cardboard box approaching for food instead. That's an extreme case scenario but a top level man in his field is pulling better talent than some 9 - 5 guy in a cube, because they chose to work on their lifestyle before women. Trust me an 8 that bangs a guy with little or no resources is leaving that guy to bang a higher quality man with game in a loft or rooftop while sipping on some good wine to loosen her up.

I recently received a PM from a good forum member with the question: Hey Cobra, I'm busting my ass to become very successful and not gaming like I should. I'm getting dissuaded by certain forum members that don't see this as a path to better game. My answer: It ABSOLUTELY IS THE PATH TO BETTER GAME. Be PROUD of your value as a man and be proud of what you earn from achievements. Become a HIGH VALUE MAN. Women respect high value men with game. The fact that there are high value men with no game is a fact of life BUT we tend to forget about those that do on the forum. If you can leverage your resources to pull talent you are essentially "Almost Famous." I would rather spend my good years acquiring resources than approaching at the cost of not having as many resources. I hope I'm able to help this forum member see this in some little way.

Approaching is cool if you have settled with life and don't want to move forward in your career and lifestyle but you will also be stuck with subpar talent. Losers can only play winners for so long. Do something with life and learn game at your pace without worrying too much about it. You will be delighted at the results.

TL;DR: Men that game with resources > Men that game without resources

This has nothing to do with anything in the thread. Regardless I've been teaching the difference between Passive and Active Game for years:

http://www.returnofkings.com/999/passive...ctive-game

You're one of those guys who think passive game is king, yet conveniently ignore the poor odds and long time invested to acquire a high passive value. Truth is, it's best to focus on both at the same time. Never neglect either because they take a looooong time to perfect.

Unnecessary.

[Icarus]

[url=https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/925497617521561606][/url]

[Icarus]

[url=https://twitter.com/charliesheen/status/913499396653772801][/url]

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(10-12-2017 06:09 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

"Execute your prime function!"

Words to live by.

[Icarus]

[url=https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/965277484861345792][/url]

[Cr33pin]

A solid show that touches on the life of Mr. Hefner... say what you will about the man, but he lived the absolute dream.

Story about when 42 year old Hugh Hefner met teenage Barbi Benton

"At the age of 16, she began to model. Following high school, she attended UCLA, and at age 18 took a job with Playboy to appear on their entertainment show Playboy After Dark. She initially started as an extra on the show, but after Hefner fell in love with Benton, her role was quickly elevated to co-host. After recording two episodes, Hefner asked the young co-ed for a date. Upon being asked, she reportedly demurred to the then-42-year-old Hefner: "I don't know, I've never dated anyone over 24 before." To which Hefner replied, "That's all right, neither have I." The two began a relationship that lasted several years, and placed Benton in the center of the Playboy enterprise. Hefner convinced her to change her name from Barbara Klein to the more marketable Barbi Benton."



Legend

[Icarus]

[url=https://twitter.com/TheRealBuzz/status/913465899365146624][/url]

[ratoj9]

In coming across information that a former playboy playmate said that Hugh Hefner pops Viagra and gets aroused by gay porn, I came across this video saying Hefner was influence by Kinsey, who got much of his bad data from a Nazi pedophile. Make sure he think desiring to live the Hugh Hefner lifestyle.

MUST WATCH: What you didn’t know about Hugh Hefner https://youtu.be/jApiyaO2q1U

[The Catalyst]

Krauser and AC going back and forth in the comments of this https://www.anonymousconservative.com/bl...-amygdala/

Fascinating how Krauser wrote how Hugh doesn't look genuinely happy in his photos. This is so weird to me since I am much happier than he seems! And I am much less successful with girls, and the better I get the happier I get. This only serves to show that degenerates and degeneracy doesn't give you happiness.

Krauser Wrote:

AC Wrote:

Krauser Wrote:

Something I’m curious about. Hef was basically engaging in disguised prostitution, paying women to have sex with him but disguising the payment behind “lifestyle” and magazine opportunities. Personally, I don’t consider this game. It’s just whoring with a polished veneer. It also seems like a classic Gamma male “in” to create a magazine like Playboy and put on such parties. It’s a higher budget version of setting up a modelling agency or porno casting couch.

I mention this because Hef never looks happy in any of his photos. He’s always got an unconvincing smile and the peculiar Gamma “pull” expression that is like a weak attempt at a smirk. I’d have thought if he was banging girls who genuinely fancy him, he’d look a lot happier. If however he knew he could only get whores by dangling cash or contracts above them it would eat him away inside for years and produce that deep unhappiness.

I haven’t looked much into his life so I might have my facts completely wrong. I’m going mostly by what I see from his photos and what I can infer from his business model. It seems to me that although he’s definitely a rabbit, he’s not a player and likely had zero game. I suspect now he’s dead there’ll gradually leak out a ton of stories that he was a fronter.

I’m very curious what your read is.

Fascinating take. I am not a specialist in game, but now that you mention it and I look back, his later shots do have a sort of staged quality. I thought his first marriage photo was very natural player-esque, but his first wife was a bit chubby, and probably an honest pull since he was broke at the time. So I figured from that he did have some form of natural game.

As you mention it, I remember reading a story about a book by one of the girls who was only allowed to move into the mansion for one night. According to her, they all went out to a club, and then at the end of the night they went to his bedroom, all the girls went topless, and girls who were willing to screw were supposed to take their bottoms off to show they were willing to bang Hef.

The girl telling the story was grossed out by Hef, but apparently Hef had set it up so the other girls would try to shame her into banging. They all kept ordering her to take her bottom off, and getting more demanding and insulting as Hef laid there but she refused. She said as that happened, Hef bored a hole through her eyes with his hateful stare as he looked up at her, without saying a word. The next day she was told she was no longer wanted there and she had to move out.

It was all very sad, from the weak girls who seemed almost to want her to bang Hef so they wouldn’t have to (and they could be less ashamed of the fact they were banging him too), to Hef himself trying to get girls to make other girls who were grossed out by him to bang him.

As you compare that to a player getting a girl to fall for him, to the point she doesn’t want to lose him because she loves him, it is a completely different dynamic.

It is hilarious how astute the online specialists who rise to the top of their fields end up being. How many people looked at those photos and missed that dynamic entirely.

Nice call.

Holy shit, that story is gross. It’s only one step above the Rochdale rape gangs! Haha, it is so so squalid. And how many men think he was “living the dream”!