[Brazilianguy]

(10-01-2017 02:56 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 07:47 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

There´s an interesting study published by the Brazilian central bank about people´s liquid investments.
According to the data, I´m in the top 0,33%.

Could you provide a link to that? I'm interested.

Hey there.
I can´t find it right now, as the pdf was sent to me by a friend via whatsapp.

Here´s the important info, though: only 1,17% of Brazilians have 100.000 reais or more in liquid investments, and only 0,33% have 250.000 or more.

Liquid investments don´t include houses or land.

[zatara]

(10-03-2017 07:35 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 02:56 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 07:47 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

There´s an interesting study published by the Brazilian central bank about people´s liquid investments.
According to the data, I´m in the top 0,33%.

Could you provide a link to that? I'm interested.

Hey there.
I can´t find it right now, as the pdf was sent to me by a friend via whatsapp.

Here´s the important info, though: only 1,17% of Brazilians have 100.000 reais or more in liquid investments, and only 0,33% have 250.000 or more.

Liquid investments don´t include houses or land.

A lack of liquid cash is pretty common across most countries, even the wealthier ones. Only 14% of Americans have liquid assets of more than 31,000BRL ($10,000usd) for example. The number who have liquid assets of 100,000BRL would be higher than 1.17% in the US, but not hugely so.

[Ringo]

Reading through this thread, I can see many points I agree with.

For the average, non-Portuguese speaking, not-connected, "I just want to get drunk and bang girls" guy, Brazil is definitely on the down. The population is definitely getting fatter and girls are letting themselves go more - on the average.

But again - that's the average. There's still pockets and niches where you can shine probably like no other place.

About SP in particular: on the higher end, be it through money or social circle, things have been mostly unscathed. I would say girls definitely feel like they're more empowered (for example, they're more willing to diss you if they don't like your approach to them), and maybe a bit bitchier; but overall it's been the same way for years.

Maybe I'm biased because I have never had better access to top quality girls than now, but I'd venture to say the high end girls are even hotter than before - there's never been more girls working out, using all sorts of beauty products, dressing slutty, dancing sexy.

I would speculate it's the same elsewhere in the country, on the higher end.

I've said it before - Brazil is not for beginners.

But then again, I expect guys coming here to know what they're doing, when and how to grease the right people, and so on.

If you plan on coming over to get drunk and bang lower class/favela chicks using Google Translate, forget it, best to stay home.

[Ringo]

(10-02-2017 02:25 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

I mentioned this experience in the IG game thread. Even ONS in Lapa were on guard (like in that scenario it actually matters how long or why you’re in Brazil). Refused to believe my story. Scanned hundreds of my photos. One girl made me leave the club ahead of her so no one would know. I haven’t gotten that since being in Japan. It’s like they have FACE here...

If this is true the way you described it, you are giving people a weird vibe.

I've gone out with a ton of foreigners, I've never seen that happen (to that extent).

The worse I've seen were some RVFers who had that autistic, robotic, constrained sort of vibe when they talked. Lack of spontaneity and humor doesn't do very well here.

No disrespect, reading your posts here and in the SP thread, I think you may have some kind of issue with your charisma or social cues. Or maybe your vibe doesn't do well with the average Brazilian?

[Travel Museums]

All aboard the autistic train whooo whooo. I tend to write stream of conscious. Get over it. I’m on a bus in between beaches right now. Don’t overanalyze it doctor.

I’m sure my screename doesn’t help either. Inside joke. I’m smirking right now. Maybe I should choose a cool name like Rawmeo and dox myself for ya. Or let me make fun of random fat chick photos. Then I’ll look really cool.

I was in SP for a month, Ringo. You claimed to be too busy to meet. Despite me reaching out to you before I even left. You say it took you two months to bang a club girl. Who you knew socially already. And I’m an auspie loser because I got laid the same night? Do I have this correct?

Not looking for an internets fight with my someone I don’t know. But no here really seems to be killing it in Brazil. Or even have the free time for a beer.

Work work work. Brazil doesn’t seem so fun and carefree as I thought. It’s got a lot of first world problems. Plus some horrible third world ones.

I’m not hating on Brazil. My experience has been consistent with what other non-vested short term foreigners have experienced. One RVF guy came down here, couldn’t get laid, and left with his tail between his legs. I’ve stuck it out and had a decent experience.

Brazilian people are very warm. Even the drug dealers who stuck a gun in my face didn’t rob me and showed civility. People here have gone out of their way to give me rides and help me get where I’m going.

As for this particular girl. I was getting high fives and cheesy vibes from her friends. A random brazilian dude saw me another night out, came up to chat, and said nice work and wanted to know how it turned out. We ended up winging for a bit. I pulled another girl.

You claim to never have seen a Brazil girl not want to look slutty for leaving with a guy?! Do you really even go out? That’s pretty much every girl’s concern. Especially with a good looking foreigner who isn’t afraid to direct approach her mixed set and go for it.

When I met her later she still had two friends with her. I was like damn; am I in for another hour of babysitting or what? But I guess her gossipy coworkers left and she was cool with her closer friends? The dude slapped my back, winked, then said what happens in Lapa stays in Lapa. We all shared a cab back to Barra.

It does, however, strike me as going against this stereotype that Brazilians are more care free and sexual than your average person. Of course this is going to vary with the circumstances, region, fluency, etc. Even in the social same group you’ve got enough variance to make it interesting to discuss.

Even more interesting is brosemite’s experience being American garnered so much resentment that he started saying he was from SEA. Again, this is unexpected so I’m curious about it.

I’ll be back in Rio for a week or two if anybody wants to meet up for a beer in Botafogo.

[Ringo]

^ First - you are referring to this post. I met her two months before I banged her; I didn't work her for 2 months to bang. You're partially right though - it did take some effort.

Would you wait three dates?



I don't regret it.

Secondly, I'm not looking for a fight either. Nor do I think I'm picking on you. Look at how much time I've spent on the SP thread and talking to you via PM. You think I'm overanalyzing your behavior, you "write stream of conscious". Okay man, not even going to go further with that, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks there's more to this. What you do with that information is up to you.

Thirdly - do I even go out? Yes. Like I said, this year I've been going to higher end events thanks to my connections. My experience has been drastically different from yours. I tried to give you some feedback back when you were in SP but you didn't listen (this seems to be a constant).

Finally, my record speaks loud and clear.

Wish you all the best, won't go into this subject any further.

[Travel Museums]

Looks about the same as my ONS.

[Travel Museums]

So no, I would not stick around SP for two months to hit that. Nor would I do three dates.

But that’s me. I’m not dissing you. But it’s not worth my effort. I’d rather do other things with my limited time on earth. And limited window here in Brazil.

I might hit another few bars on the pub crawl. Then bounce back to meet her the same night. I might trade a few texts but if shes not DTF I’d save myself the hassle and move forward with my life.

So with your social circle and Portuguese I’m guessing we are doing roughly the same for night game.

I will say day game and online game has been much more difficult in SP & Rio. I’ve matched with some girls like that but they usually don’t speak English. I’m not willing to use translators to text either. So the quality I hook has been mediocre. Girls will give you their number but I can tell they’re having to translate most of the time. So I just drop it. I’ve hit gold a few times though. It’s not a lost cause.

Hmm. I could send you some pics of smokeshows who’ve been hitting me up in tier two cities. But I’m not gonna travel up there just for pussy. I feel like going to another country and continent for Oct-May.

I maxed out my visa. Due to the weather window it’ll probably be two years before I’m back here to do another exploration.

I’d be eligible to return next October 2018. But the areas of Brazil I want to hit are already getting too hot by then. So I’d wait until May/June 2019 to travel here while it’s your winter again.

I felt like this in Japan. I met local players who and their girls. They had social circle, language, living there for years. We were doing about the same. Sometimes even banging the same girls.

The trade off was they had to spend all their free time working or gaming. I was making a minimal effort and spending all my free time doing the fun sightseeing stuff they could parse out to do one weekend at a time for the next ten years.

[zatara]

Travel Museums regularly gets called out on his autism/aspergers and responds with "I'M ACTUALLY A BIG BALLER, BITCHES LOVE ME" aggressive responses Ringo, don't let it bother you. Its best to just ignore the ramblings. If you want some entertainment check out some of his threads about falling in love with a prostitute and other...interesting...incidents. They're long but the replies in them are worth the read to see him meltdown.

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etc

[Travel Museums]

When did I ever once say I was a big baller?

[Nomadic Sack]

Travel Museums I gave you a rep for what I thought was pretty honest and useful insight

[Jungle]

(10-03-2017 11:26 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

Work work work. Brazil doesn’t seem so fun and carefree as I thought. It’s got a lot of first world problems. Plus some horrible third world ones.

I think Travel Museums made a great point there ^^... Yes, there is high ROI for someone with a local niche, knows local language and spent several months building a social circle with high level locals.... But... You could use that same logic to apply it to almost every other country too...

So the point is, it seems if an RVF visits Brazil, even if he has decent game & money he would have to put in solid work work work much much more than other countries to do well... he doesn't get the benefits usually associated with going to a developing country and instead will have to deal with the following issues:
- Only a mildly higher SMV/exotic factor.
- Worse supply & demand than in the past = No longer hotter local women than in the west/anglosphere. Yes, there are still so many hot Brasileiras but now after the obesity crisis & radical feminism crisis perhaps the average girl on the street in Germany or Netherlands is hotter than the average Brazilian on the street.
- Expensive cost of living = In other developing countries it's great because one can afford splurging a bit on luxury accommodation, restaurants, nightlife etc.
- Exceptionally low english/education levels = so you have to know the local language, which once again is OK if you're there long-term but for those who are there for 1-2 months it's not realistic.
- Challenging logistics (also to do with higher cost of living, low safety / high crime)
- High competition from local guys = Brazilian guys are latino approach machines and very "touchy-feely". Also it seems they work out and take care of their physique similar to Aussies.
- Bad online game = Which is OK because it allows other types... but other RVF have agreed daygame is difficult as locals are on guard about street safety, and night game is still fun and awesome, but also there's the safety/cost/competition/local connections component.
- Huge difference in quality between regions = The girls are hotter in Santa Catarina & Rio Grande do Sul than in the states that are further north, however the culture is more exotic, more exciting and more attractive in the north areas... so there's a trade-off because the south may not feel like the "real Brazil". Also, richer girls suffering from "princess syndrome" as they are the wealthy class in a developing country.

And despite all the above Brazil does not have the benefits of being in the developed world such as:
- Safety and low crime
- High education
- Efficiency and general lower bureaucracy
- Cheap flights around the continent
- Efficient public transport
- Quality service received when spending your money
- There's not a visa-free and/or a visa on arrival (at least for my passport anyway)

So, I'm glad I went to see for myself... I had a great time, particularly the parties, nightlife and music, in fact some of the best party vibe in the entire world. I enjoyed the affectionate nature of local girls and they're great in bed. There's beautiful beaches, islands and incredibly nature etc. And no doubt anyone who likes traveling off the beaten path can have a great time. But as a general statement, Brazil is not great for women and the decline is getting worse by the day.

[BacanT]

Ok, so. Since my first time in 2004 i've been to brazil 5 times and in total spent about a year there. Further, i lived with brazilians for a year in london. I like to think i know brazil and it's culture fairly well. I also have to note, that by now i speak portuguese and therefore it's more difficult to judge how it will be for a guy who doesn't.

2004: i was travelling south america for 11 months and as i wanted to learn portuguese too, i spent 5 of those in brazil. Girls in brazil, to me they lookes like porn stars. Muscular bodies (much more so, than eg argentina), short skirts and ridiculously high heels. As i had already travelled for several months, my self confidence was at an all time high and i was pulling left right and centre. Even then though, it wasn't too easy in the south. Girls there where very pretty, but also had massive bitch shields. This was a lot easier in eg SP and Rio. Even if girls where not that pretty there, it just required a bit more work to find them.
Girls in BH where also prettier with less bitch shield, but more conservative and therefor not too easy to get in to bed.
Brazil wasn't too unsafe at the time. In places like Rio you had to use common sense, but it was ok.

Now, fast forward to my last trip. End of 2016 for 3 months.
Brazil has become unsafe. The problem in most of brazil is, that there are no safe havens. If you go to Medellin and stay in a nice part of town, you're (more or less safe). In Rio or SP you can go to the fanciest part of town and still you have to keep your guards up. Not something i like. And that's what makes day game a lot harder.
Brazil had an economic boom in the runup to the world cup, the real was expensive and the a lot of brazilians where able to travel. They had never been able to do so before, but all of a sudden they where everywhere. Therefore a lot of brazilians have now traveled or lived abroad and are not going to be overly impressed by your passport.
Still, now there is an economic crisis, the real has taken a nosedive and travelling abroad has become the exception again. (This is also an important reason the crime rates have gone up)
Girls: where girls all over brazil used to always where heels, they now don't do so much any longer in in cities like Rio and SP. (ive not been to the south for a while, but i seem to remember to have seen the same development a few years ago).
Do you still want to meet this "stereotype" kind of brazilian girls, there is a fairly easy solution for it, but it comes with a price. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention in any of the other posts i've read so far.
SERTANEJO
It's a type of music i got to know living in london with guys from Goyania. This is where the music originates. Brazilian cowboys.
Since, it's become popular all over brazil and is now even starting to take of in Rio. I don't like the music much, but it does attract all the "traditional" hotties. Best looking girls i encountered in brazil (especially at sertanejo nights) Goiania and Cuiaba (Medellin eat your hearth out)

Promiscuity. Brazil to me, is the most promiscuous country in the world. Ok, asia might seem to have more sluts, but that's mostly local girls fucking foreigners. They don't fuck each other that much. In Brazil, yes they do. Also, as mentioned before, there is actual competition here by the locals (not so much in asia, eastern europe & colombia).
I was out with was travelling with a brazilian mate. I was doing all right, but he pulled a fit ONS all except one night we went out in 2 weeks. He's a good looking guy and can be an approach machine. Definitely helps. He is from BH and told me there it's still not easy.

There is one "rule" in brazil that is different from any other country i've been to. If you don't try to kiss the girl in the first 15 minutes, she's going to presume you're not interested. This is against the nature of my game as i usually like to delay kissing as long as i can, but . . . i'll adjust. You can just try to kiss her (almost) straight away. She won't be offended. This is when going out. Not sure if it's a good idea during day game.

I run by the rule: give her an excuse and an alibi.
In brazil the girls won't need an alibi for the kissing (in e.g. Colombia even that is often still a good idea), but she might well need one for finishing the deal. As one of my brazlian mates ones told me: In brazil no one has sex, but all the motels are always full. In other words, allow here to be discrete if she needs to be.

One more thing. Brazilians are generally extremely flaky. When invited they will not say no.
When they say: Vou aparecer (I will make my apaerence) they will not
When they say: I will be there, they might.
They don't seem to have any problems texting you 5 minutes before they are supposed to show up, telling you they are not able to make it as the aunts goldfish bruised a fin and needed to be rushed to the vet.
So, how do they resolve this. Double book. Because she will do too. She will decide on the night if she'll go out with you, that other guy or just hang with the girls. That way she also has her arse covered in case one of the guys cancels on her.
Double book, double book double book. This for me is still the most difficult thing to cope with as it runs against all my rules of integrity.
On the upside, brazilians are also quite willing to let you tag along when you have been cancelled on last minute. They know the feeling.

Summary: Yes brazil still has some of the most amazing girls in the world. Sensual, sexual, flirtatious, promiscuous. The sacrifice to make is Sertanejo.

Hope this helps

PS: Hidden gem in Brazil, Cuiaba. Close to "the Pantanal" and "chapada guimaraes" far away from everything else. So far, that people are very welcoming to guys from anywhere else. Guys not cockblocking but actually inviting you to their table. Simply because they are bored out of their brains because it's really in the middle of nowhere (2,000KM to beach both east and west) (check insta #valleycba to get an idea)
PPS: easiest girls in brazil. North east. For a foreigner it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Girls here are not as cute though.

[worldtraveler3]

Competition is indeed much stronger in Brazil especially in sp and Rio middle to upper class circles. As Brazil already has a lot of white dudes locals aren’t as easy as Asians who just want a white dude.
Sertanejo music is terrible, it’s like popular music but the prices to those clubs aren’t cheap.

[Brazilianguy]

Allow me to chime in.

Yes, it´s possible to pick up and bang chicks in sertanejo clubs, and I know some guys who do well in that environment.
Having said that, if you´re over 28 you won´t stand it: the music is really bad (think mass produced, low quality carbon copy of American country music with the single theme of being a famous baller who picks up chicks left and right) and it´s a very pretentious environment.

To sum it up, sertanejo clubs play low quality music and everybody acts like they´re really rich (they aren´t) and all the women are divas (of course they aren´t).

You can do well if you´re drunk, high and completely out of your mind, but if you like to play the game sober and be at least a bit selective sertanejo isn´t for you.

[BacanT]

Yes, the music is pretty shit. Still, if girls is why you go out. It's where you'll find them. It's also brazilian "cheese", so girls will actually drink. That does make ONS much easier in general.

[BacanT]

Also, i've not read all posts here, but in Rio, when a girl is fucking a "gringo", people will just assume she's a pro. This makes them reluctant to do so. They'll need an even more solid alibi. As i speak portuguese and look like i could be brazilian, i can often get away with it, but it's not an advantage. It's more like a disadvantage to be a "gringo".

[Cortez]

What is Brazilian cuisine by the way? I always had the impression that it looks like Gumbo from New Orleans or something.

[Svoboda]

(10-05-2017 03:10 PM)BacanT Wrote:  

Ok, so. Since my first time in 2004 i've been to brazil 5 times and in total spent about a year there.

SERTANEJO
It's a type of music i got to know living in london with guys from Goyania. This is where the music originates. Brazilian cowboys.
Since, it's become popular all over brazil and is now even starting to take of in Rio. I don't like the music much, but it does attract all the "traditional" hotties. Best looking girls i encountered in brazil (especially at sertanejo nights) Goiania and Cuiaba (Medellin eat your hearth out)

Have you been to club Villa Country in SP? No idea if it still exists.

Edit. It exists: Villa Country

That place was by far the easiest club in SP to kiss (I'm talking 2008-2011).

[shotgun]

(10-05-2017 01:04 PM)Jungle Wrote:  

- Bad online game

Online game in Brazil is not bad. Surely not if you compare it to Western countries. Quality is worse than you can get with night game, but isn't it always like that, apart from Ukraine maybe?

(10-05-2017 03:51 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Yes, it´s possible to pick up and bang chicks in sertanejo clubs, and I know some guys who do well in that environment.
Having said that, if you´re over 28 you won´t stand it: the music is really bad (think mass produced, low quality carbon copy of American country music with the single theme of being a famous baller who picks up chicks left and right) and it´s a very pretentious environment.

To sum it up, sertanejo clubs play low quality music and everybody acts like they´re really rich (they aren´t) and all the women are divas (of course they aren´t).

You can do well if you´re drunk, high and completely out of your mind, but if you like to play the game sober and be at least a bit selective sertanejo isn´t for you.

This is a very good description of Sertanejo clubs. I would also add that it's not uncommon to hear or read stories about people getting shot in front of Sertanejo clubs after a brawl gets started. These clubs attract scum, more often than not.

It may be different in Cuiaba or Goiania because these cities are in the Brazilian mid-west, and Sertanejo music is all the locals listen to. But a sertanejo club in a first-tier city is best avoided, due to the reasons above mentioned. Most are overrated, past their prime and offer a very low ROI.

[Titus]

(10-05-2017 03:10 PM)BacanT Wrote:  

Ok, so. Since my first time in 2004 i've been to brazil 5 times and in total spent about a year there. Further, i lived with brazilians for a year in london. I like to think i know brazil and it's culture fairly well. I also have to note, that by now i speak portuguese and therefore it's more difficult to judge how it will be for a guy who doesn't.

2004: i was travelling south america for 11 months and as i wanted to learn portuguese too, i spent 5 of those in brazil. Girls in brazil, to me they lookes like porn stars. Muscular bodies (much more so, than eg argentina), short skirts and ridiculously high heels. As i had already travelled for several months, my self confidence was at an all time high and i was pulling left right and centre. Even then though, it wasn't too easy in the south. Girls there where very pretty, but also had massive bitch shields. This was a lot easier in eg SP and Rio. Even if girls where not that pretty there, it just required a bit more work to find them.
Girls in BH where also prettier with less bitch shield, but more conservative and therefor not too easy to get in to bed.
Brazil wasn't too unsafe at the time. In places like Rio you had to use common sense, but it was ok.

Now, fast forward to my last trip. End of 2016 for 3 months.
Brazil has become unsafe. The problem in most of brazil is, that there are no safe havens. If you go to Medellin and stay in a nice part of town, you're (more or less safe). In Rio or SP you can go to the fanciest part of town and still you have to keep your guards up. Not something i like. And that's what makes day game a lot harder.
Brazil had an economic boom in the runup to the world cup, the real was expensive and the a lot of brazilians where able to travel. They had never been able to do so before, but all of a sudden they where everywhere. Therefore a lot of brazilians have now traveled or lived abroad and are not going to be overly impressed by your passport.
Still, now there is an economic crisis, the real has taken a nosedive and travelling abroad has become the exception again. (This is also an important reason the crime rates have gone up)
Girls: where girls all over brazil used to always where heels, they now don't do so much any longer in in cities like Rio and SP. (ive not been to the south for a while, but i seem to remember to have seen the same development a few years ago).
Do you still want to meet this "stereotype" kind of brazilian girls, there is a fairly easy solution for it, but it comes with a price. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention in any of the other posts i've read so far.
SERTANEJO
It's a type of music i got to know living in london with guys from Goyania. This is where the music originates. Brazilian cowboys.
Since, it's become popular all over brazil and is now even starting to take of in Rio. I don't like the music much, but it does attract all the "traditional" hotties. Best looking girls i encountered in brazil (especially at sertanejo nights) Goiania and Cuiaba (Medellin eat your hearth out)

Promiscuity. Brazil to me, is the most promiscuous country in the world. Ok, asia might seem to have more sluts, but that's mostly local girls fucking foreigners. They don't fuck each other that much. In Brazil, yes they do. Also, as mentioned before, there is actual competition here by the locals (not so much in asia, eastern europe & colombia).
I was out with was travelling with a brazilian mate. I was doing all right, but he pulled a fit ONS all except one night we went out in 2 weeks. He's a good looking guy and can be an approach machine. Definitely helps. He is from BH and told me there it's still not easy.

There is one "rule" in brazil that is different from any other country i've been to. If you don't try to kiss the girl in the first 15 minutes, she's going to presume you're not interested. This is against the nature of my game as i usually like to delay kissing as long as i can, but . . . i'll adjust. You can just try to kiss her (almost) straight away. She won't be offended. This is when going out. Not sure if it's a good idea during day game.

I run by the rule: give her an excuse and an alibi.
In brazil the girls won't need an alibi for the kissing (in e.g. Colombia even that is often still a good idea), but she might well need one for finishing the deal. As one of my brazlian mates ones told me: In brazil no one has sex, but all the motels are always full. In other words, allow here to be discrete if she needs to be.

One more thing. Brazilians are generally extremely flaky. When invited they will not say no.
When they say: Vou aparecer (I will make my apaerence) they will not
When they say: I will be there, they might.
They don't seem to have any problems texting you 5 minutes before they are supposed to show up, telling you they are not able to make it as the aunts goldfish bruised a fin and needed to be rushed to the vet.
So, how do they resolve this. Double book. Because she will do too. She will decide on the night if she'll go out with you, that other guy or just hang with the girls. That way she also has her arse covered in case one of the guys cancels on her.
Double book, double book double book. This for me is still the most difficult thing to cope with as it runs against all my rules of integrity.
On the upside, brazilians are also quite willing to let you tag along when you have been cancelled on last minute. They know the feeling.

Summary: Yes brazil still has some of the most amazing girls in the world. Sensual, sexual, flirtatious, promiscuous. The sacrifice to make is Sertanejo.

Hope this helps

PS: Hidden gem in Brazil, Cuiaba. Close to "the Pantanal" and "chapada guimaraes" far away from everything else. So far, that people are very welcoming to guys from anywhere else. Guys not cockblocking but actually inviting you to their table. Simply because they are bored out of their brains because it's really in the middle of nowhere (2,000KM to beach both east and west) (check insta #valleycba to get an idea)
PPS: easiest girls in brazil. North east. For a foreigner it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Girls here are not as cute though.

Hi, new guy here, first post. Found out this forum couple weeks ago, read some threads, and this one specifically is very interesting to me, because of the simple fact that I´m Brazilian: 35 yo, born and grew in Rio de Janeiro, already travelled a lot around the country, think I have good experience regarding Brazilian women….


So, regarding your post:

I´ve seen negative comments about Brazil and Brazilian women in general, especially in this thread. And I honestly think they´re right in many ways: Brazil is living a very bad social situation, lots of unemployment, expensive cost of living, very high crime rates and the society´s mind in overall is totally fucked up (for example, our “intellectuals” think it´s more important to discuss if little children must be raised in a genderless environment, then discussing how to improve the educational standards, which are among the worst in the world). And also, about gaming girls, Brazil is not for beginners. There´s “unwritten game codes” that are not easy to understand for someone not used to it (even locals, by the way). So, by the end of the day, don´t blame anyone for having a bad experience here. Actually, I totally understand that.

But there´s much more good things than bad things under the surface, and I think your post summarized 2 of them very well:

1)Brazilian girls are STILL hot, although not so much as they used to be in AVERAGE. You just have to look at the right places. And that´s not difficult to do… The “fat syndrome” really exists, but it´s MAJORLY concentrated in the poor classes of the society. The reason is simple: Meals rich in carbohydrates or fast food are cheaper then healthy food, like protein and vegetables. A poor Brazilian girl have to eat fried shit full of flour daily, because she can´t afford eating beef with lettuce. The good news: Single middle to upper class girls are as hot as ever. They still have focus on having a good appearance and have money to afford that (rigid diets, supplements, gym, fake boobs, you name it). And they´ll be probably your gaming targets when you go out, because you´ll probably go out to nice places where singe-middle-to-upper-class-girls go, you won´t go to cheap dirty places where poor-and-fat-girls go.
Of course, there are single-middle-to-upper-class-feminist-girls, that won´t give a shit to their appearance. That´s true. But if you´re going out to places where those girls are, the problem is you not choosing correctly where to be… Bottomline: Feminists, fatties… they exist. But it won´t change anything for you to game, because they won´t be in the same clubs or bars that you are.
(Important: All said above is applicable for 1st tier Brazilian cities: Rio and Sao Paulo, and maybe Belo Horizonte and Porto Alegre… 2nd tier or smaller cities still have as hot girls as before, in AVERAGE)

2)Promiscuity: Yes, people fuck a lot here. If you adjust your game and have enough time here to build your own harem, you can have new notches every week while banging some 2 or 3 girlfriends (7s or above) at the same time in a regular basis. It´s normal: Single girls always have fuck buddies and at the same time are also open to ONS when going out whit their friends. They don´t admit it, but that´s the way it is. And I think you forgot a point: Brazilian girls are VERY good in bed. They´re like born to give pleasure. The girls that you would judge as “dad´s princess”, whenever alone in a motel room, will do anything that a porn actress do… And not faking or not being exaggerated. It´s just on their nature.

But regarding that, there are also bad news: Being promiscuous is not a synonym of being easy for ANYONE to bang them. The game must be very sharp: The right look, the right attitude, the right smell, the right opening, the right first impression, the right aggressiveness… It´s actually easy to make out, but having a ONS is totally different. It´s difficult to explain, but the girls in overall are actually fine with having a ONS… but not with any random drunk guy that approaches her. This “adjusted game” that opens girl´s legs is sometime difficult even to the local alpha guys to get it, so I totally understand when a foreigner have a shitty time dealing with local girls and doesn´t get the flag…


Some final thoughts:
•Although you said you stayed a lot here, you didn´t tell your performance with the local girls. How it was?
•It´s pretty clear that you understand our “gaming codes” here… How is your game level at home? I assume you should do fine, because not everyone understands here without having a sharp game or a killer nature…
•Sertanejo works with young girls (18-25). But specially in 1st tier cities, such as Rio and Sao Paulo, it´s far more easier to pull older girls (25-35) in happy hours after work, rock pubs or “feijoadas” (specially in bars at weekend´s afternoons, with samba groups playing).
•Disagree with you: NORTH is easier than northeast. Belém and Manaus are cities where it´s VERY easy to have 1 or even 2 ONS daily, from daygame, nightgame or online. They´re the official Brazilian pussy paradise. (Some says that other northern capitals are even easier: Boa Vista, Macapá, Rio Branco… but never been there).

[BacanT]

(10-05-2017 07:32 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 01:04 PM)Jungle Wrote:  

- Bad online game

This is a very good description of Sertanejo clubs. I would also add that it's not uncommon to hear or read stories about people getting shot in front of Sertanejo clubs after a brawl gets started. These clubs attract scum, more often than not.

It may be different in Cuiaba or Goiania because these cities are in the Brazilian mid-west, and Sertanejo music is all the locals listen to. But a sertanejo club in a first-tier city is best avoided, due to the reasons above mentioned. Most are overrated, past their prime and offer a very low ROI.

I've not been to Sertanejo clubs in Rio or SP. Just in Floripa, Vitoria, Goiania and Cuiaba. None of these places where dodgy. And i know brazil well enough to recognize it when it is. It's also so common now, that i'm sure you have them for all levels of social class. I went to nice ones and yes, that's not really cheap in Brazil.

One of my best mates is from BH, but living in Fortaleza. Was telling me it's the same story there. He hates Sertanejo, but as the quality up there is not all that, he'd go to the those parties anyway, as that's where the hot ones are.

Would you guys disagree that Sertanejo is rapidly becoming brazil's most popular style of music, especially with the girls?

PS: food in Brazil. If you like meat, you'll love it. There is also a lot of Sushi (SP has the largest Japanese community outside of Japan). For the rest, i'm not very impressed with brazilian food. I go there for the people, the beaches and amazing nature (chapada Diamantina being my favourite), not for the food. I think not many europeans will like the typical food outside of the meat much.

[BacanT]

[quote] (10-05-2017 08:27 PM)Titus Wrote:  

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Some final thoughts:
•Although you said you stayed a lot here, you didn´t tell your performance with the local girls. How it was?
•It´s pretty clear that you understand our “gaming codes” here… How is your game level at home? I assume you should do fine, because not everyone understands here without having a sharp game or a killer nature…
•Sertanejo works with young girls (18-25). But specially in 1st tier cities, such as Rio and Sao Paulo, it´s far more easier to pull older girls (25-35) in happy hours after work, rock pubs or “feijoadas” (specially in bars at weekend´s afternoons, with samba groups playing).
•Disagree with you: NORTH is easier than northeast. Belém and Manaus are cities where it´s VERY easy to have 1 or even 2 ONS daily, from daygame, nightgame or online. They´re the official Brazilian pussy paradise. (Some says that other northern capitals are even easier: Boa Vista, Macapá, Rio Branco… but never been there).[/quote]

I like to think i do pretty well with local girls. The Last times i didn't do as well as i did in my younger years, but i'm still doing fine. I usually get a steady stream of 7 and 8's. Also helps that i don't mind a bit of colour on a girl. My brazilian mates usually want the whitest one. I don't care about colour. I like all colours. As long as they can hold a conversation.

What i like about brazil, is that girls don't care much about age. In Holland, socially acceptable is age/2+7. In Brazil, as my mate told me. If you get a girl horny, she's horny and will fuck. Travelling i usually have time available during the day, so i actually target younger girls, as they often study and have more time than the 25 to 30 year olds. In a week of Cuiaba, i pulled a 21, 22 and 23 year old. And my mate banged a 22 year old that wanted a 3some. Not my thing, so i let him have it all.

I'm not a big fan of places where people sit down. That's not how it works in holland. So i'm always reluctant to open girls sitting at a table. In a club, girls are standing up and if find it easier to open them.
I've been told the North is easy too. I've never been further north than Ceara, so i can't judge. Roraima is on my list for the next visit, so i'm sure i'll find out.

Another thing to know in Brazil and latin america is, that the girls will "resist" more.
A brazilian mate told me: If a girl says no, that means you have to work harder.
I nowadays actually think: If a girl says no, you've asked the wrong question.
In other words, i don't ask.
This works in europe too, but not as much as in LatAm. A dutch girl might have 3 steps from no/maybe to yes, where a brazilian girl will give you 10, or none at all. In my experience it are usually the slappers that give you the hardest time and the "good girls" won't

Quote below seems quite suitable:
“You can’t turn a ‘no’ into a ‘yes’ without a ‘maybe’ first” Frank Underwood.

[Brazilianguy]

(10-05-2017 08:27 PM)Titus Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 03:10 PM)BacanT Wrote:  

Ok, so. Since my first time in 2004 i've been to brazil 5 times and in total spent about a year there. Further, i lived with brazilians for a year in london. I like to think i know brazil and it's culture fairly well. I also have to note, that by now i speak portuguese and therefore it's more difficult to judge how it will be for a guy who doesn't.

2004: i was travelling south america for 11 months and as i wanted to learn portuguese too, i spent 5 of those in brazil. Girls in brazil, to me they lookes like porn stars. Muscular bodies (much more so, than eg argentina), short skirts and ridiculously high heels. As i had already travelled for several months, my self confidence was at an all time high and i was pulling left right and centre. Even then though, it wasn't too easy in the south. Girls there where very pretty, but also had massive bitch shields. This was a lot easier in eg SP and Rio. Even if girls where not that pretty there, it just required a bit more work to find them.
Girls in BH where also prettier with less bitch shield, but more conservative and therefor not too easy to get in to bed.
Brazil wasn't too unsafe at the time. In places like Rio you had to use common sense, but it was ok.

Now, fast forward to my last trip. End of 2016 for 3 months.
Brazil has become unsafe. The problem in most of brazil is, that there are no safe havens. If you go to Medellin and stay in a nice part of town, you're (more or less safe). In Rio or SP you can go to the fanciest part of town and still you have to keep your guards up. Not something i like. And that's what makes day game a lot harder.
Brazil had an economic boom in the runup to the world cup, the real was expensive and the a lot of brazilians where able to travel. They had never been able to do so before, but all of a sudden they where everywhere. Therefore a lot of brazilians have now traveled or lived abroad and are not going to be overly impressed by your passport.
Still, now there is an economic crisis, the real has taken a nosedive and travelling abroad has become the exception again. (This is also an important reason the crime rates have gone up)
Girls: where girls all over brazil used to always where heels, they now don't do so much any longer in in cities like Rio and SP. (ive not been to the south for a while, but i seem to remember to have seen the same development a few years ago).
Do you still want to meet this "stereotype" kind of brazilian girls, there is a fairly easy solution for it, but it comes with a price. I'm surprised it didn't get a mention in any of the other posts i've read so far.
SERTANEJO
It's a type of music i got to know living in london with guys from Goyania. This is where the music originates. Brazilian cowboys.
Since, it's become popular all over brazil and is now even starting to take of in Rio. I don't like the music much, but it does attract all the "traditional" hotties. Best looking girls i encountered in brazil (especially at sertanejo nights) Goiania and Cuiaba (Medellin eat your hearth out)

Promiscuity. Brazil to me, is the most promiscuous country in the world. Ok, asia might seem to have more sluts, but that's mostly local girls fucking foreigners. They don't fuck each other that much. In Brazil, yes they do. Also, as mentioned before, there is actual competition here by the locals (not so much in asia, eastern europe & colombia).
I was out with was travelling with a brazilian mate. I was doing all right, but he pulled a fit ONS all except one night we went out in 2 weeks. He's a good looking guy and can be an approach machine. Definitely helps. He is from BH and told me there it's still not easy.

There is one "rule" in brazil that is different from any other country i've been to. If you don't try to kiss the girl in the first 15 minutes, she's going to presume you're not interested. This is against the nature of my game as i usually like to delay kissing as long as i can, but . . . i'll adjust. You can just try to kiss her (almost) straight away. She won't be offended. This is when going out. Not sure if it's a good idea during day game.

I run by the rule: give her an excuse and an alibi.
In brazil the girls won't need an alibi for the kissing (in e.g. Colombia even that is often still a good idea), but she might well need one for finishing the deal. As one of my brazlian mates ones told me: In brazil no one has sex, but all the motels are always full. In other words, allow here to be discrete if she needs to be.

One more thing. Brazilians are generally extremely flaky. When invited they will not say no.
When they say: Vou aparecer (I will make my apaerence) they will not
When they say: I will be there, they might.
They don't seem to have any problems texting you 5 minutes before they are supposed to show up, telling you they are not able to make it as the aunts goldfish bruised a fin and needed to be rushed to the vet.
So, how do they resolve this. Double book. Because she will do too. She will decide on the night if she'll go out with you, that other guy or just hang with the girls. That way she also has her arse covered in case one of the guys cancels on her.
Double book, double book double book. This for me is still the most difficult thing to cope with as it runs against all my rules of integrity.
On the upside, brazilians are also quite willing to let you tag along when you have been cancelled on last minute. They know the feeling.

Summary: Yes brazil still has some of the most amazing girls in the world. Sensual, sexual, flirtatious, promiscuous. The sacrifice to make is Sertanejo.

Hope this helps

PS: Hidden gem in Brazil, Cuiaba. Close to "the Pantanal" and "chapada guimaraes" far away from everything else. So far, that people are very welcoming to guys from anywhere else. Guys not cockblocking but actually inviting you to their table. Simply because they are bored out of their brains because it's really in the middle of nowhere (2,000KM to beach both east and west) (check insta #valleycba to get an idea)
PPS: easiest girls in brazil. North east. For a foreigner it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Girls here are not as cute though.

Hi, new guy here, first post. Found out this forum couple weeks ago, read some threads, and this one specifically is very interesting to me, because of the simple fact that I´m Brazilian: 35 yo, born and grew in Rio de Janeiro, already travelled a lot around the country, think I have good experience regarding Brazilian women….


So, regarding your post:

I´ve seen negative comments about Brazil and Brazilian women in general, especially in this thread. And I honestly think they´re right in many ways: Brazil is living a very bad social situation, lots of unemployment, expensive cost of living, very high crime rates and the society´s mind in overall is totally fucked up (for example, our “intellectuals” think it´s more important to discuss if little children must be raised in a genderless environment, then discussing how to improve the educational standards, which are among the worst in the world). And also, about gaming girls, Brazil is not for beginners. There´s “unwritten game codes” that are not easy to understand for someone not used to it (even locals, by the way). So, by the end of the day, don´t blame anyone for having a bad experience here. Actually, I totally understand that.

But there´s much more good things than bad things under the surface, and I think your post summarized 2 of them very well:

1)Brazilian girls are STILL hot, although not so much as they used to be in AVERAGE. You just have to look at the right places. And that´s not difficult to do… The “fat syndrome” really exists, but it´s MAJORLY concentrated in the poor classes of the society. The reason is simple: Meals rich in carbohydrates or fast food are cheaper then healthy food, like protein and vegetables. A poor Brazilian girl have to eat fried shit full of flour daily, because she can´t afford eating beef with lettuce. The good news: Single middle to upper class girls are as hot as ever. They still have focus on having a good appearance and have money to afford that (rigid diets, supplements, gym, fake boobs, you name it). And they´ll be probably your gaming targets when you go out, because you´ll probably go out to nice places where singe-middle-to-upper-class-girls go, you won´t go to cheap dirty places where poor-and-fat-girls go.
Of course, there are single-middle-to-upper-class-feminist-girls, that won´t give a shit to their appearance. That´s true. But if you´re going out to places where those girls are, the problem is you not choosing correctly where to be… Bottomline: Feminists, fatties… they exist. But it won´t change anything for you to game, because they won´t be in the same clubs or bars that you are.
(Important: All said above is applicable for 1st tier Brazilian cities: Rio and Sao Paulo, and maybe Belo Horizonte and Porto Alegre… 2nd tier or smaller cities still have as hot girls as before, in AVERAGE)

2)Promiscuity: Yes, people fuck a lot here. If you adjust your game and have enough time here to build your own harem, you can have new notches every week while banging some 2 or 3 girlfriends (7s or above) at the same time in a regular basis. It´s normal: Single girls always have fuck buddies and at the same time are also open to ONS when going out whit their friends. They don´t admit it, but that´s the way it is. And I think you forgot a point: Brazilian girls are VERY good in bed. They´re like born to give pleasure. The girls that you would judge as “dad´s princess”, whenever alone in a motel room, will do anything that a porn actress do… And not faking or not being exaggerated. It´s just on their nature.

But regarding that, there are also bad news: Being promiscuous is not a synonym of being easy for ANYONE to bang them. The game must be very sharp: The right look, the right attitude, the right smell, the right opening, the right first impression, the right aggressiveness… It´s actually easy to make out, but having a ONS is totally different. It´s difficult to explain, but the girls in overall are actually fine with having a ONS… but not with any random drunk guy that approaches her. This “adjusted game” that opens girl´s legs is sometime difficult even to the local alpha guys to get it, so I totally understand when a foreigner have a shitty time dealing with local girls and doesn´t get the flag…


Some final thoughts:
•Although you said you stayed a lot here, you didn´t tell your performance with the local girls. How it was?
•It´s pretty clear that you understand our “gaming codes” here… How is your game level at home? I assume you should do fine, because not everyone understands here without having a sharp game or a killer nature…
•Sertanejo works with young girls (18-25). But specially in 1st tier cities, such as Rio and Sao Paulo, it´s far more easier to pull older girls (25-35) in happy hours after work, rock pubs or “feijoadas” (specially in bars at weekend´s afternoons, with samba groups playing).
•Disagree with you: NORTH is easier than northeast. Belém and Manaus are cities where it´s VERY easy to have 1 or even 2 ONS daily, from daygame, nightgame or online. They´re the official Brazilian pussy paradise. (Some says that other northern capitals are even easier: Boa Vista, Macapá, Rio Branco… but never been there).

This is overall a very good post, but I think Titus is looking at things from the girls´ perspective.

Yes, of course they have fuckbuddies and of course they have ONS.

Wouldn´t you also take advantage of your situation if you were getting messages everyday from prospects through your social media profiles, without putting any effort?

My point is, life is good in Brazil if you´re a 15-30 year old woman, but this isn´t necessarily true for most men.

Like you said, women here in Brazil are promiscuous (they´ll have sex with you if they´re drunk, high or are getting something they want in exchange) but not necessarily easy (they have tons of prospects from social media).

So, if you´re a guy, how can Brazil be good for you?
It´s excellent for those guys who:

- Have an ecosystem (soccer player, internet celebrity, band member, MMA fighter, etc).
- Have an unlimited budget so as to lead a baller lifestyle.
- Don´t mind staying out at night, getting drunk regularly, taking drugs, etc.
- Are very good at social media game

Current day Brazil is specially unsuited for guys who prefer traditional day and night game based on genuine confidence and real world interaction without the need for putting on a façade.

[Titus]

(10-06-2017 08:54 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

This is overall a very good post, but I think Titus is looking at things from the girls´ perspective.

Yes, of course they have fuckbuddies and of course they have ONS.

Wouldn´t you also take advantage of your situation if you were getting messages everyday from prospects through your social media profiles, without putting any effort?

My point is, life is good in Brazil if you´re a 15-30 year old woman, but this isn´t necessarily true for most men.

Like you said, women here in Brazil are promiscuous (they´ll have sex with you if they´re drunk, high or are getting something they want in exchange) but not necessarily easy (they have tons of prospects from social media).

So, if you´re a guy, how can Brazil be good for you?
It´s excellent for those guys who:

- Have an ecosystem (soccer player, internet celebrity, band member, MMA fighter, etc).
- Have an unlimited budget so as to lead a baller lifestyle.
- Don´t mind staying out at night, getting drunk regularly, taking drugs, etc.
- Are very good at social media game

Current day Brazil is specially unsuited for guys who prefer traditional day and night game based on genuine confidence and real world interaction without the need for putting on a façade.

Hi Brazilianguy, nice to talk to other Brazilians here. I was actually posting my view from a man perspective.

I think your thoughts regarding the type of guys that do great here are valid, but are more applicable for some niches:
- Upper class girls
- Young girls (18-25 yo)
- Internet celebrities
- 9s or 10s that are hit by tons of guys and therefore have a vast portfolio of options to choose from
Those girls tend to care more about social circle and social status, therefore gaming them is more difficult… totally agree with your thoughts in that way.

But according to my own experience, single middle class older girls (25 -35 yo, 6s to 8s, most) tends to be more open minded and are still bangable through the good old game. I know it sounds ingenuous, but I have lots of friends, that are not the best looking, some even unemployed, that manage to get new notches from nice girls, some that even pay the motel room in a ONS situation…

And also, competition is lower for those girls. It´s like they´re a "forgotten niche". After 25 yo, if single, they missed the ideal age of being in a LTR to get married. They have independent lifes, with nice jobs, that reduce their time available to socialize and know new people. At the same time, lots of Brazilian men are becoming hipsters or revealing theirselves as gays. It´s common to hear those girls complaining: "THERE´S NOT ENOUGH MEN AVAILABLE!"... Yeah, that´s where my harem comes from... lol

The bad thing about that is that this kind of girls are usually more westernalized in dressing, looking and attittude. Even though that they´re healthy and have nice bodies, forget about the typical stereotyped misterious young latina that foreigners love (Colombia is the place for that).


What I really thinks that there´s a real factor of difficulty when coming to gaming Brazilian girls in average is that the “traditional game” applicable to other countries doesn´t apply here: Forget about daygame. And you need to have the perfect combination of looks, attittude, a great opening and the right aggressiveness (too soft and slow, will be considered a moron, too hard and fast, will be considered an idiot). As I mentioned, even locals sometimes find it hard to adjust their game.