[iknowexactly]

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Exactly.

We should put this "age" thing to rest.

Along with the "height" thing.

And the "Indian" thing.

Things like this will only hold you back if you let them.

No. You believe this only because you are under 40-45. Things change. Of course if you're into "age appropriate" according to feminists, there's no problem. Just find a 45 year old when you're 55.

I find the age of women I'm attracted to has hardly changed at all. They lose attractiveness about 30 and by 38 I have little interest. Women my own age I feel physical disgust for unless they are PERFECTLY groomed and in shape.

Height may be stable, and you can compensate to some degree for 5'6" but age is unrelenting. Would you say this about being 70, 75? Of course not. My experience at 55 is you have to change game significantly, including location unless you are rich/perfect shape/outlier.

What IS true from my exp is you can scam 18 year olds into your 40's, and our minds are the worst limitation, but at 45-50 things change. Physical genetic reality is real. Biologically, women would want a guy around to protect children at least 15 years-- and when we evolved, 50 was OLD.

This is not a despairing message--in Philippines, 70 year olds can get 18 year olds. But rarely in Miami. If you want young fertility, you have to ultimately be rich or go overseas as you age. And this is very relevant to the Ukraine thread because if you prefer white girls, Ukraine is about the best place to move to as it becomes harder to game hypergamous, sneering, Amerihotties, or even Ameriwhales.

Also, you have to consider ramp-up time. As soon as I saw the writing on the wall at 45, I started saving like crazy, 25 year olds were (and sometimes still are) checking me out, but I felt I couldn't hold on to one reliably at all (I'm an LTR guy and dislike searching) and child support is insane here in usa. And it took me years to save up enough so now I can escape America's family courts, whales, and the entitled 5% hotties.

You only get older. You are not 33, or whatever you are, 33 is passing you by, each day is 33 disappearing.

And although you feel special and connected to young women now, when you're 60 almost all American young women will view you as another outsider to the "cool" group she wants to be with.

They won't see the 33 year old you still feel yourself to be.

They'll just see an old guy.

[Deluge]

I asked the same question in the Kazantip thread, but to those who have experience there "assuming one can speak the language where do you think is the best city/town/festival to pick up Russian/Ukrainian girls?"

[The Duke]

dedoshucos, you are a latin guy who prefers blondes? Maybe you'd like Poland more than Ukraine. Poland is blonder than Ukraine, has Euro 2012 too, and I understand Latino guys do well there.

(09-10-2011 07:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I find the age of women I'm attracted to has hardly changed at all. They lose attractiveness about 30 and by 38 I have little interest.

This is kind of sad. I mean, I figured this is how it's going to be but somehow hoping it not be the case. Hopefully Southeast Asia does not change by the time I reach 50+.

[ManAbout]

[quote='iknowexactly' pid='91304' dateline='1315656657']
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I find the age of women I'm attracted to has hardly changed at all. They lose attractiveness about 30 and by 38 I have little interest. Women my own age I feel physical disgust for unless they are PERFECTLY groomed and in shape.

My experience at 55 is you have to change game significantly, including location unless you are rich/perfect shape/outlier.

And although you feel special and connected to young women now, when you're 60 almost all American young women will view you as another outsider to the "cool" group she wants to be with.

They won't see the 33 year old you still feel yourself to be.

They'll just see an old guy.
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So, let me understand this correctly, you are disgusted with 55 year old women, yet you think that a hot 20 year old should be continued to attracted to you when you are 60?

Please explain to me how this works. Yes, we all know that women age like milk and men age like wine etc.. etc. But, as you yourself pointed out, a 20 year old will not be attracted to you unless you have something special to offer. And why should she? Women in the 18-25 age range are in their prime. Why would they waste those years on an unattractive 60 year old with few accomplishments, no power and no wealth?

The 70 year old Berlusconi can frolic with 17 year olds, because of his accomplishments in life. He is entitled to it. You seem to think that you should be entitled to continue banging 20 year olds till you are 100. YES, you can, but you have to something to OFFER IN RETURN.

If you don't have something to offer, don't complain. Deal with it. Life sucks. You can't always get what you want.

[dedoshucos]

(09-10-2011 10:01 AM)The Duke Wrote:  

dedoshucos, you are a latin guy who prefers blondes? Maybe you'd like Poland more than Ukraine. Poland is blonder than Ukraine, has Euro 2012 too, and I understand Latino guys do well there.

I like blondes, but not above nor below brunettes, redhairs, etc. Truely to me what makes a women sexier on top of beauty is "classines, culture and self peace of mind". In order words not angry, even tempered.
Which is the reason why I fell completely in love with european women and why threads like these exist.
Because these are trades you'll rarely find in american women.
Honest of god the company of european women, east/west is an enormous placer, there so well manner, they're up to do anything, enjoy EVERYTHING and don't have that since of intitlement which makes men feel pressured to impress them and show them"such a good time" with that "I better not be bored because my company is an expensive luxury others would die for" attitute.

This is why I hate dating and hanging out with american girls. I don't have a good time.
In my book american women could absolutely never compete with eurowomen. Not even close. I can actually feel at easy with euro women, comfortable not just because they're so classy, but because they want to have a good time and are smart enough, and polyte enough to know that placing such pressures on the guy isn't just rude to the other person but is going to destroy any chances to enjoy your self through. And they don't give "dates" such and "official status" there they way we do here.

In my personal opinion European women can do something American ones couldn't possibly achive. "THEY CAN GIVE UP CONTROL"
Which to me makes all the diference. (pics of me in Hunagry below)

[dedoshucos]

To "The Duke"......... this is the 2nd time I've read in this thread about Latinos doing well in "Poland". Where are you getting your info from? Have you being to Poland? Sorr,y I haven't had a chance to read your posts.

A long while back... I remember a co-worker from Poland mentioning something of the sort. He said if he took me to Poland girls would be all over me because I had that "diferent look". This was back like 11 years though.

Please let me know.

[Roosh]

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Where are you getting your info from? Have you being to Poland?

The Poland Thread: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4184.html

[oldnemesis]

(09-10-2011 07:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

This is not a despairing message--in Philippines, 70 year olds can get 18 year olds. But rarely in Miami.

Ironically, this is the same. We all know this is definitely not the case because 18yo Filipinos are attracted to 70yo dudes. It is because those 70yo dudes who can get 18yo olds have financial resources well above what the generic population has. If the same Philipina girl would have to choose between 25yo and 70yo with the same financial resources, vast majority of them would never choose a 70yo one. Note that a regular Malay 70yo working dude cannot get a 18yo girl.

And the situation in Miami is the same - a rich 70yo dude CAN get 18 year olds.

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and child support is insane here in usa.

This is classic "the grass is always greener on the other side". To give you an idea, here's some info about child support in Ukraine and Russia:

• For one kid you'd pay 25% of your after-tax income;
• For two kids it is 33%;
• For 3+ kids it is 50%;
• Those amounts are mandatory and defined by the law. Even if the mother makes a lot of money herself, and don't really need any, you still must make those payments. There is no upper limit either.
• You have the responsibility to support a chick you made pregnant as well, although the amount is not specified.
• Owing more than three months of child support is a felony according to the criminal code. It is punishable by one year in prison.
• In over 95% cases the court gives mother the full custody, even if the mother is poor, and has no job.
• To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as "joint custody", just visitation rights.
  

Some more info here. Hopefully this would be eye-opening for some of you guys who think too much about "escaping" the American court system.

[The Duke]

dedoshucos, yes I've been to Poland but I'm not Latino. I'm getting my info from that link roosh posted.

oldnemesis, that's interesting info. Thanks for the post. BTW, I heard that if you have money in Ukraine you can purchase justice although maybe not in this case.

[Marco]

I've heard this law is not really enforced.
What is happening is that the guy pays some official a 100-200 USD and the kid is not his anymore...
That's why it is very common in Ukraine to see single moms even in their early 20s without any guy around having to support the kid on their own.
(2nd hand info)

(09-10-2011 07:52 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(09-10-2011 07:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

This is not a despairing message--in Philippines, 70 year olds can get 18 year olds. But rarely in Miami.

Ironically, this is the same. We all know this is definitely not the case because 18yo Filipinos are attracted to 70yo dudes. It is because those 70yo dudes who can get 18yo olds have financial resources well above what the generic population has. If the same Philipina girl would have to choose between 25yo and 70yo with the same financial resources, vast majority of them would never choose a 70yo one. Note that a regular Malay 70yo working dude cannot get a 18yo girl.

And the situation in Miami is the same - a rich 70yo dude CAN get 18 year olds.

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and child support is insane here in usa.

This is classic "the grass is always greener on the other side". To give you an idea, here's some info about child support in Ukraine and Russia:

• For one kid you'd pay 25% of your after-tax income;
• For two kids it is 33%;
• For 3+ kids it is 50%;
• Those amounts are mandatory and defined by the law. Even if the mother makes a lot of money herself, and don't really need any, you still must make those payments. There is no upper limit either.
• You have the responsibility to support a chick you made pregnant as well, although the amount is not specified.
• Owing more than three months of child support is a felony according to the criminal code. It is punishable by one year in prison.
• In over 95% cases the court gives mother the full custody, even if the mother is poor, and has no job.
• To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as "joint custody", just visitation rights.
  

Some more info here. Hopefully this would be eye-opening for some of you guys who think too much about "escaping" the American court system.

[oldnemesis]

(09-11-2011 11:09 AM)Marco Wrote:  

I've heard this law is not really enforced.

The enforcement is indeed selective. However what happens is that they file criminal charges against you. Sure, nobody gonna run a search for you, but once the charges are filed, you may lose your residence permit, and won't be able to come back to the country, or even prevented to leave.

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What is happening is that the guy pays some official a 100-200 USD and the kid is not his anymore...

This does not happen at all.

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That's why it is very common in Ukraine to see single moms even in their early 20s without any guy around having to support the kid on their own.

This does happen, and there are several reasons:

- If the girl is not married to a guy, it is incredibly hard to establish paternity unless he admits it voluntarily. DNA tests are expensive, and the guy can just refuse the test.

- A lot of people in Ukraine work for cash, and their "salary" is very low (something like $50/mo), while their real compensation is paid in cash and the amount is unknown. Child support therefore is calculated based on those $50/mo and generally is not worth even pursuing.

- Some of those guys are deadbeat, cannot find any real job and survive on miserable government salaries and are basically supported by their parents. Some are habitual drunkards and have no money left.

[ManAbout]

(09-12-2011 03:30 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

The enforcement is indeed selective. However what happens is that they file criminal charges against you. Sure, nobody gonna run a search for you, but once the charges are filed, you may lose your residence permit, and won't be able to come back to the country, or even prevented to leave.

And what if the guy's income is coming from outside of Ukraine? And he is only showing a few hundred dollars of income, just enough to live in country. I doubt they have access to foreign bank accounts or anything of that nature.

The long arm of the law is a lot shorter in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

[K-man]

(09-09-2011 05:17 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

What's this about going to Bulgaria without a visa to meet Ukrainian girls???

I'm afraid the season for that is over, or will be over in a week. In Turkey the tourist season runs till the end of September, but even though it's still warm enough for the beach there, it's not as full because September is back-to-school, back-to-work month and most Europeans have to go back.
Good luck next year, starting in late May (with July-August being prime season).

[oldnemesis]

(09-12-2011 08:47 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

And what if the guy's income is coming from outside of Ukraine?

All bank transfers are monitored. How does he get his money? Traveling outside, and bringing briefcases of cash?

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And he is only showing a few hundred dollars of income, just enough to live in country. I doubt they have access to foreign bank accounts or anything of that nature.

No, they do not. But assuming you were actually married, your wife would probably know about your foreign accounts, and even the balance. Then the judge will force you to disclose them, and after spending three days in Ukrainian jail you'd do it on your own.

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The long arm of the law is a lot shorter in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Not really. It is just most locals don't really have money, so those cases are not worth pursuing.

[iknowexactly]

(09-13-2011 07:49 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

All bank transfers are monitored. How does he get his money? Traveling outside, and bringing briefcases of cash?

What do you think of the strategy of simply taking small ATM cash withdrawals throughout the month, say 100-300 dollars at a time.

There must be millions of those, if you used, say, 3-4 different ATM cards wouldn't that be pretty labor intensive to correlate?

[oldnemesis]

(09-14-2011 04:51 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

What do you think of the strategy of simply taking small ATM cash withdrawals throughout the month, say 100-300 dollars at a time.

It doesn't matter. The ATM withdrawal is a bank transaction, not very different from withdrawal made in the bank. I guess it all goes through a single processing center like it does in Russia, so no matter which ATM you use they have this information anyway. By law a Ukrainian citizen is not allowed to have an account in a foreign bank without the government permission unless he lives abroad, so those transactions are monitored quite carefully.

There is also a lot of issues with your strategy: most ATMs have low withdrawal limits (I'm not sure you can withdraw more than the equivalent of $100 in Ukrainian currency daily), and if your card is nominated in USD, the conversion rate is quite shitty. You may not be able to withdraw USD in the ATM. And if your card is blocked or lost, good luck getting a new one.

[K-man]

Some news re: Ukraine visas. Things might be easing.

http://www.euractiv.com/specialreport-eu...ks-news-50

[oldnemesis]

K-man, it is only relevant for Ukrainians. EU nationals can enter Ukraine visa-free already, for 90 days I believe.

[Luckystar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m1INQwPF6I

Pretty classy.

[DadaLand]

(09-15-2011 06:41 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Pretty classy.

Usually, that types events occurs everywhere in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe.

[Saladin]

After visiting the Ukraine Festival in Toronto I've decided I need to learn Russian and get my ass to Ukraine!

[Luckystar]

Daygame approach in Kiev - no merit in the video...just for entertainment purposes

[Soma]

(11-04-2011 08:09 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Daygame approach in Kiev - no merit in the video...just for entertainment purposes

*cringe*

[Pilgrim37]

The poor mugs just keep on coming!

I guess the Big Head really does disengage when the Little Head thinks it's going to get some fresh young Ukrainian pussy to keep it warm!

Or do we men just get pathetic and desperate at a certain age,when things aren't working out the way we hoped they would?

I'd like to feel sorry for this guy ,but I don't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...63238.html

[LostGringo]

(11-16-2011 09:04 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

The poor mugs just keep on coming!

I guess the Big Head really does disengage when the Little Head thinks it's going to get some fresh young Ukrainian pussy to keep it warm!

Or do we men just get pathetic and desperate at a certain age,when things aren't working out the way we hoped they would?

I'd like to feel sorry for this guy ,but I don't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...63238.html

This guy is very clearly mentally unstable/ill, as opposed to some run-of-the-mill dumb-ass.