[aeroektar]

(07-18-2017 04:27 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

I grew a beard, got a high fade, started wearing clothes that fit i.e. Smalls not mediums, skinnier darker jeans, nice shoes, funky socks, hit the gym a bit, a little B&B cream to make my nose less red or cover a blemish here or there( no homo on this, but it actually overnight made me about 50% more confident), accessories like watches and bracelets, a good IG account- and aside from girls that are into different races or bulked up roided out guys I don't consider anyone out of my league.

If you don't me 6-8 years ago that I would be hooking up with NFL cheerleaders, miss America contestants, or having threesomes regularly with attractive women, I would have said you were nuts. I look at the girls I thought were 7-9 in high school that I thought I had no chance with and they'd hardly catch a second glance from me now.

The more attractive you can make yourself appear physically, the more confident you will become and a semi attractive guy with top 5% confidence is all it takes to pull an extremely attractive girl.

What is B&B cream?

[DigitalNomad]

@aeroektar Google my friend, don't make me say it out loud. But no, let's see if I can get through this without taking too much shit, because I know there are other guys on here that use similar things. Aka beauty balm or blemish balm, the consensus is they "should provide hydration, SPF protection and sheer coverage alongside soothing and healing properties - preventing the need for numerous separate products." Basically heals and hides redness or blemishes. If your dignity can handle it, highly recommended if you don't have perfect complexion or skin tone.

[aeroektar]

I dont see how dignity factors in, I'm trying to look the best I can, have any brand you want to recommend? Sounds like it would be good to have around just in case. I'm clueless when it comes to beauty products and most of what I've tried has been garbage.

Diet has had a massive impact on my skin health, I ate a standard American diet all my life and had cystic acne to varying degrees throughout most of my adult life, up until about 6 months ago when I took a hard approach to cutting shit out of my diet.

No dairy
No gluten
No sugar added

Those 3 changes along with a diet consisting of whole fresh foods cleared my skin up amazingly, to the point where I might see maybe one or two tiny white heads a week that are easy to take care of (pro tip: raw honey works great as a spot treatment on popped zits).

I can also vouch of Hada Labo Hyraluronic Acid, best selling in Japan, comes in a big bottle that lasts a while, it's all I use to moisturize my skin.

[Noir]

Depends on your best look being a 6 vs. your current look being a 6 but I am in the yes camp, provided you are average looking.

It's the image you project and how good looking your peers are.

Sit and make a list of what makes a man aesthetic.

- physique
- jaw line
- haircut
- style/clothing
- height
- clean skin/looking healthy
- good teeth
- ensuring all of the above is congruent with what you project

This is the rational approach and certain things can be worked on, other things such as height cannot.

Be healthy and follow some best practices towards your appearance and you can easily add a point.

Purely beauty tricks though, as per your title, no, not really. It's a combination of everything.

Every narcissistic person knows that if you fix one aspect of your image, you notice another that needs to match up and it's a never ending cycle.

[Travel Museums]

It's worth having your hair trimmed monthly and a stylish cut. Dying out the greys to game younger girls. Wearing a sunblock if you're active outside daily.

Maybe creating a look congruent to you're persona and game style that will polarize towards your target audience. Of course being lean and moderately muscular.

A tan does make white guys more attractive looking but the long term damage to your skin isn't worth it. You can take beta carotene supplements for a few shades darker (so many claim anyway).

Some Botox around forehead and eyes will decrease the wrinkles giving away your lack of youth and possibly delay their formation. But the $300-500 injections don't last long and the money can be better spent on things like a gym membership, travel, language lessons.

Confidence, posture, speech, masculinity will help you appear more attractive so I guess could be considered beauty tricks.

At most I think you can get a bump of a few points. However if you're morbidly obese getting in shape could take you from off the woman's radar to a 10 (theoretically). Most attractive woman don't want to be with a fat guy unless he's got bux.

Dressing in well fitted/tailored clothing can make a big difference in your appearance. Size small vs medium as mentioned. No point being fit if she can't see it.

It's important to keep in mind that ALL WOMEN exaggerate their beauty with makeup, heels, bras, eyelashes, the list is endless. Google any female celeb without makeup and see what a plain Jane she is. All dolled up in clothes with perfect lighting and she's instantly boosted to a 9-10.

My biggest beauty trick is sleep. I'm always short at least 3 hours. And my quality of sleep isn't great. Days I'm rested and not in sweats I'm like a different man. Not only am I on fire but my willingness to approach, banter, hook, baby sit goes way way up.

[Giovonny]

Good looking people get many advantages. They get preferential treatment.

So, all of us should strive to improve our looks as much as possible.

Every man can raise his score by at least 2 points on the 1-10 scale.

"Control the controllables"!!!

grooming
diet
fitness
teeth
skin
job/money
hair
clothes
sleep/rest
personality/game


This is a good example:



Imagine if he never played soccer.... Imagine he remained poor his whole life... With a shitty job... shitty teeth, bad skin, bad diet, no fun, no beautiful girls... no money...

He would be a 6.

But, that is not what happened... He became wealthy.... Great exercise, food, free time, rest, new teeth, improved skin, confidence, charisma..

He became an 8.

Which way are you going?

[Hypno]

Tanning will age you but supposedly if you drink carrot juice daily it will give you a tan/glow.

[DigitalNomad]

@aeroektar- doesn't matter much for the brand, the tint is important though so it's not visible. One little thing of it will last like 4-6 months. I'm pretty white and I use either medium light or medium.

[StackGsMan]

(07-18-2017 12:40 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Good looking people get many advantages. They get preferential treatment.

So, all of us should strive to improve our looks as much as possible.

Every man can raise his score by at least 2 points on the 1-10 scale.

"Control the controllables"!!!

grooming
diet
fitness
teeth
skin
job/money
hair
clothes
sleep/rest
personality/game


This is a good example:



Imagine if he never played soccer.... Imagine he remained poor his whole life... With a shitty job... shitty teeth, bad skin, bad diet, no fun, no beautiful girls... no money...

He would be a 6.

But, that is not what happened... He became wealthy.... Great exercise, food, free time, rest, new teeth, improved skin, confidence, charisma..

He became an 8.

Which way are you going?

I agree with everything in your post, but are you honestly calling Ronaldo an 8? I guess you mean just how he looks physically if he wasn't rich or famous. I personally classify a good looking, tall, in great shape, well dressed, high earning, and materially stacked (nice car, good residence) guy as a 10. Anything above that is a 10.5 if they have all those and are either semi-famous or have wealth in the dozens and dozens of millions (where flying a girl out to Paris for a weekend just to get her pussy is easily doable for example). Ronaldo is at the peak of what one can achieve in just about any way imaginable, so that is an 11 on my scale. Few men are past 11 and don't even need a score, they are among the greatest men walking the earth.

You must be saying physically he is an 8, like how he looks right?

But to the OP, yes it is very much possible for a guy to raise his score 1-3 points, but usually it takes time.

Going from a horrible body to a top 5% figure will raise you up 2 points without changing anything else. Going from normal to a hot body I'm sure will translate to at least a point.

Grooming can make you be viewed radically differently. A facially handsome guy that doesn't groom can go from being treated reasonably well to being treated like a model by many girls just by grooming.

Clothes that fit your body, coloring, and style will definitely get you up there. This goes even further the more you work on your body. Usually a fat guy or skinny guy will be called "stylish" if they dress exceptionally well, but if a guy with a hot body dresses well he will get fuck me eyes from girls all day.

I guess you weren't asking about money at all because your title seems to be about physical looks, but a nice car or a great residence in a great location will also get your SMV up there.

Bottom line hit the gym religiously for at least a couple of years (and this should be a lifelong thing), buy new clothes, and groom in a way that suits your face/style. Those things can easily give you +2 depending on where you start.

[chitown72]

(07-18-2017 01:41 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

Tanning will age you but supposedly if you drink carrot juice daily it will give you a tan/glow.

Ok at the risk of my "dignity" LOL, a good compromise is to use tanning lotion. I've been using this daily for a couples years now. I originally started using it since I don't use tanning booths and I wanted a good complexion during the winter months. But now I just put a little on everyday to keep my skin moist and to give it color. Also it provides UV protection so not only does it give you a tan color but protects your skin for when you are out in the sun.

[JayD]

How you walk is also another factor. Girls notice this and pick up on subtle cues. Look at how rock stars walk and how they move their gait. Projects confidence and sex ability . Try walking with your heels always stepping on your ground first compared to your toes, you'll notice a difference and makes you move in a different manner compared to most men.

Random examples:

[H1N1]

^ A good walk/good poise is an important factor. I remember reading an article where a casting director for James Bond said that one of the distinctive qualities that made an immediate impact, and which was a factor in choosing Sean Connery for the role, was the fact that he 'walked like a panther'. It's one of those phrases that has stuck with me, because it's such an excellent description of what it is to convey sex and danger through your body language.

[Suits]

No, but if you're at least a 6.1784, you can go to a 7.8429 with the right beauty tricks.

[Travel Museums]

The fake bronze stuff can make you look orange. Especially the cheap stuff. I briefly joined a very wealthy friend's jetset entourage and got a multithousand dollar makeover. Included was a package at the professional fake tan salon. Like the cryomachine you stand there and get sprayed down. It stinks and get on whatever you wear home. You wash an hour later and it lasts a week maybe. It looked good enough I guess. Everyone said I was better looking and appeared healthier. I didn't think it was THAT worth it to maintain the regimen. Especially traveling. And in a lot of Asia and southAmerica being ghastly White is considered more beautiful/handsome than being dark. You see skin whitener in almost every creme on market shelves!

[chitown72]

(07-19-2017 09:54 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

The fake bronze stuff can make you look orange. Especially the cheap stuff.

Like the cryomachine you stand there and get sprayed down.

Yeah when I think of this, I always have this video implanted in my mind for some reason. This dude is lucky to have someone like that. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xqFg56VWM

[sonoran_]

1) How on Gods green earth is Ronaldo an 8 now?? He is the pure definition of 10/10 on a male scale.

2) Inject melatonan ( obviously research it before you do so) for the tanning effect.

3) Is smiling that important in the initial interaction stage? I feel like I look like soy when I smile and even naturally I have a resting bitch face syndrome.

[Travel Museums]

Sean Connery said when he was preparing for roles the first thing he would do is figure out how the character should move. It's the basic building block of a persona (aside from already being cast bc you look the part).

Of course it helped that he was tall dark and handsome with the confidence of a successful alpha white man (at the paramount of when white males ruled the earth). I mean the guy already looked like James Bond. Wasn't he actually Mr. Universe in like 1950 or at least competed as a bodybuilder?

You can be 5'10" and slightly above average while still pulling this off. Why? Most girls aren't famous either and are masking inferiority complexes that are not very hard to game if you're willing to take the time and energy into getting past the bitch shields of her and her friends.

You will risk looking foolish if a tribal tatted AMOG navy seal decides to role up and make you look like a space chimp next to King Kong. But if your game is good you can tool him or at least keep your ground. Then he's Magilla holding bananas.

Again I think this is why being well rested is probably your best weapon. Pestering chicks or being demanding is Beta. But there's a more confident version that comes across as alpha and high value. This is kinda the "breakthrough" of cocky funny DD popularized. Very hard to be congruent doing this if you're tired, busy, don't feel a girl is worth interacting with.

I think you could argue Ronaldo is an 8 in face looks (not counting his competitive athlete physique). Yeah in every other area he's an 11. He gets an extra point off the chart bc everyone already knows who he is. Of you were a chick that actually got access to him you'd already have had to be in love with him and decided to fuck him. That's off the charts. The media and people themselves are running his game for him. All he has to do is play soccer well. Off the charts. Not even really worth the example.

[Putin Closes]

Take a page of the girls playbook and use Photoshop for your pictures for online game. Or hire someone to do it.

[Giovonny]

Walking like an Alpha:

(07-19-2017 03:24 AM)JayD Wrote:  

How you walk is also another factor. Girls notice this and pick up on subtle cues. Look at how rock stars walk and how they move their gait. Projects confidence and sex ability.

(07-19-2017 04:07 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

he 'walked like a panther'.

what it is to convey sex and danger through your body language.

You guys make great points about the proper way to walk.

Weakness, fear, pain and insecurity is expressed in the way we walk.

Because I grew up without a father and I was the victim of severe child abuse, my walk has always been too soft.. I've always tried to walk softly and quietly! This was basically a self defense mechanism that I carried since childhood.. It also effected my voice in a negative way.

My walk and my voice have become much more strong and masculine.

Thanks to you guys!

[debeguiled]

I hear you Giovonny.

When I was younger, everyone shared the sidewalk, no problem, unconsciously.

In recent years, I have noticed it is more of a competition, and the fact that I give people ground long before they reach me is taken as a sign of weakness, and they tend to walk straight at me, even if it isn't where they're going.

I finally figured it out though. I was watching a Nat Geo doc on chimps, and opened up my gait, spreading arms out from my sides, swinging them, as well as swinging my shoulders more. Believe it or not, copy chimps seemed to work.

Now usually people give me room long before I get there, and if I look at them, they are looking away.

I also found that slowing down and walking slowly is much better than walking fast, and that a slight movement in my shoulders was enough to change perceptions, no need to change how my hips moved.

The funny thing was, because I had been walking the softer way for so long, it felt totally unnatural to walk more confidently. I also felt that everyone would know that I was putting on a fake alpha walk.

But nope, no one noticed. One time I checked out my walk in the reflection in a shop window because it felt so fake, and was surprised to see that it looked completely normal, like a dude walking. It was that I was so used to the old way that made walking more assertively feel unnatural.

Nowadays sometimes I slip back into my old way of walking without noticing it, though I figure it out pretty quick because people all start walking straight at me and expecting me to move out of their way, and I have to make adjustments.

It reminds me of a study that was done where they asked criminals separately to look at the videos of people and they all chose the same people as potential victims. Whether it is conscious or not, how you walk is very important when it comes to how people assess you.

This is a fascinating article, well worth studying because a lot of the markers of being a victim are the opposite of what you want to do to be confident.

Marked for Mayhem

Quote:

In a classic study, researchers Betty Grayson and Morris I. Stein asked convicted criminals to view a video of pedestrians walking down a busy New York City sidewalk, unaware they were being taped. The convicts had been to prison for violent offenses such as armed robbery, rape, and murder.

Within a few seconds, the convicts identified which pedestrians they would have been likely to target. What startled the researchers was that there was a clear consensus among the criminals about whom they would have picked as victims—and their choices were not based on gender, race, or age. Some petite, physically slight women were not selected as potential victims, while some large men were.

The researchers realized the criminals were assessing the ease with which they could overpower the targets based on several nonverbal signals—posture, body language, pace of walking, length of stride, and awareness of environment. Neither criminals nor victims were consciously aware of these cues. They are what psychologists call "precipitators," personal attributes that increase a person's likelihood of being criminally victimized.

It is a pain to think that just being yourself is not good enough, but if you think of this stuff as a game, and try out different things, it can be pretty fun experimenting.

For example, I have noticed that a large percentage of college students behave in a certain way, and I have figured out a strategy for dealing with the youngsters.

They used to give me fits with their bizarre sidewalk behavior, and now I just take it in stride, so to speak.

The psychology is fascinating, and it is fun to play around with.

There is a good chance my walk is more alpha than these chimps. Sometimes.

[debeguiled]

Google DeepMind AI taught itself how to walk.


Seems to be enjoying itself.


Someone try it out and let us know.

[MikeS]

(07-19-2017 04:44 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Google DeepMind AI taught itself how to walk.


Seems to be enjoying itself.


Someone try it out and let us know.

I tried it today and got a ton of IOIs. Not just from hot young women but also men, old people, kids and stray dogs. Clearly lots of potential once I manage to get some filtration going.

[Sisyphus]

(07-20-2017 09:03 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 04:44 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Google DeepMind AI taught itself how to walk.


Seems to be enjoying itself.


Someone try it out and let us know.

I tried it today and got a ton of IOIs. Not just from hot young women but also men, old people, kids and stray dogs. Clearly lots of potential once I manage to get some filtration going.

Were you singing like Tiny Tim at the time? That might explain the IOI's.

He:


was able to marry Twiggy who's a bit too thin for my taste (to the extent that such a thing is possible) but was considered pretty hot stuff at the time.

[H1N1]

Twiggy was a particularly diaphanous nymphet. Very nice.

[Sisyphus]

My apologies - I realized after the edit window had closed that it was actually Miss Vicki who Tiny Tim married, and not Twiggy. In any case the mismatch is pretty astounding.



Apparently falsetto and ukulele game can bump you up quite a bit.