[Rigsby]

(01-02-2018 01:50 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

Just a bit of fun. :-)

For the serious stuff: http://www.drcachildress.org/asp/Site/Pa.../index.asp

Loads of work there. Still trying to get through a bit of it myself.

[Genghis Khan]

I'm totally missing the fox references, but that's fine haha.

Question for all you sigmas:

What's your relationships like with the other categories?

We've discussed gammas.

How do you guys typically interact with alpha, betas and deltas (and maybe even lambdas, which I think VD uses to categorize gays?).

For me:

I really like Deltas a lot. They're usually normal guys, trying their best in life, have no real ill-will. I get along with them quite well.

Alphas: I get along with them reasonably. There's times where their lack of any morals pisses me off. But overall, they're respectful and nice to me, especially when they think I might bring value to them. Although if you make a social faux-pas, they'll take the opportunity to mock you. This is why I said their lack of morals piss me off, they don't seem like the type to have your back if it means it'll cost them social points.

Betas: this has been a mixed bag for me. Some of them just follow their alpha's lead in their interactions with me. Others seem downright nasty. Two examples:

1. A few years back, I came into contact with a Beta about his ex. I didn't know this guy personally, but we run in close circles and he's definitely heard about me. Plus his alpha and I get along reasonably well.

Anyway, this Beta flat out tells me: "You're luck Sammy is here, or else you'd be fucked."

I never really understood what he meant until I thought about it recently through this sociosexual hierarchy thing. Like this dude needed permission from his alpha (Sammy) to fight me and fears his disapproval.

2. I'm part of this group chat and about half a year ago I brought up some investment idea (crypto stuff). They were talking about crypto again since it's been blowing up recently, so I made some joke about it.

The Alpha's response: "Damn GK I really wish I bought that stuff when you told us"

The Alpha also reaches out to me every few months for investing advice. Guess he got something out of my comments. So have a few of the Deltas and Omegas in the group. It seems I'm providing value to quite a few of them.

The Beta's response: some meme about "when you bought #bitcoin and haven't told anyone in 5 minutes"

The Beta's response reminded me of something AB talked about with millennials - they have a tendency to talk in passive aggressive bitch.

If you don't want me bringing up crypto, no problem. Just tell me. Don't hide behind memes. But regardless, I wasn't too surprised. This guy has disliked me for a long time. He's made a habit of doing this, making comments that refer to me without directly addressing me. I wonder if he thinks he's been sly about his dislike for me, when in reality it comes across very clearly.

I'm also curious how you guys would approach it. In the past, I actually agree&amplified it, so for example:

I say something
The Deltas' response: "dude, that's awesome. Can you tell me how you did that?"
The Beta's response: "guys remember, when you're flying high to stay grounded"
My response: "Yeah, Beta knows what's up. Guys, y'all should listen to him"

Early on, I didn't realize he was trying to take me down a notch. I don't carry any ill-will to people unless they offend me first. So I assumed he was trying to add something valuable to the conversation ("remember to stay grounded"). I wonder if my lack of anger at his comments just infuriates him more. Almost as if they're trying to expose you and show you're really a lowly Omega who doesn't deserve respect. Does that make sense?

As I'm typing this, I also realized my response ("Beta knows what's up") could've come across as highly sarcastic. Something about being on that omega/sigma spectrum and having an uncanny ability to trigger people...

I'm also not sure how to respond in the future. Do I just mock him back? Call him out directly(seems like a bad idea)? Or just keep going like I have, where basically I don't take anything he says seriously.

My theory: Alphas are comfortable with you as they're on the top of the social hierarchy.

Meanwhile some betas may hate your guts because you seem to get ahead of them despite not following the social rules. Like they don't understand why someone like you seems to be getting a lot of respect. Incidentally, the Beta in the second story has a bitter relationship with the Omega in the group chat. Those two don't get along at all.

You guys have any thoughts on Betas? Maybe I'm just a dick and social retard though, I'm not sure. Also, as always, open to criticism.

EDIT: for clarification, I'm really trying to become more socially calibrated (more sigma, less gamma) here, so really any feedback would be appreciated

[IntrovertSigma]

Why does the opinion of these people matter to you?

[Genghis Khan]

Why are you on a game forum?

[Huey]

(03-27-2018 06:06 PM)IntrovertSigma Wrote:  

Why does the opinion of these people matter to you?

Username checks out.

[CynicalContrarian]

I don't posit the following as an absolute & distinct dissertation on the subject.
Or that if readily addresses all factors.
Merely that I found it amusing.

[The Catalyst]

I was about to object to the "Joker" part, but then I watched it and pretty much agreed with everything, so.

I don't have anything further to add to this as of yet.

I want to leave NZ to see how much of my sigmaness is innate and how much is just reaction to cultural difference.

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-16-2019 09:56 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I was about to object to the "Joker" part, but then I watched it and pretty much agreed with everything, so.

I don't have anything further to add to this as of yet.

I want to leave NZ to see how much of my sigmaness is innate and how much is just reaction to cultural difference.

Even before I had ever heard of anything 'sigma', 'delta' or 'gamma'. Or even before reading about the 'dark triad jester type'.

I was already of the opinion that it makes as much sense as anything else, to sit on the sidelines of this clown world & then simply point & laugh...

Positive nihilism if you will.

[The Catalyst]

Yeah it's just flat out ridiculous and funny how illogical and emotionally reactive people are. And there's some sort of mental block which prevents them from having agency and control over their lives.

[Leonard D Neubache]

In the light of the thousand-genders-era I have to say the thread title is pretty funny.

[Tex Cruise]

CP (OP) was a thread title master. I'm sure it was intentional.

Some other favourites:

Putin Pussy on the Pedestal: The Miniskirt Army

Shitlord Keeps Shitlording Despite Not Apologising For Shitlording, Says Topless Ho

The Grammar Nazi Thread: Is that a fucking word?

Sydney Cab Drivers Fingered In Phantom Shitting Scandal

Today Is Great: Fat Entitled Cunt Gets Put On Blast For Being A Fat Entitled Cunt

[The Catalyst]

I was reading a Krauser post earlier. https://krauserpua.com/2018/12/31/136-me...ok-review/ Whole thing was good(book review about CS Lewis explaining rationally the merits of Christianity). However what stood out to me was this at the start:

Quote:

I was born and raised in the People’s Republic of Northern Britain by parents who are both godless communists. Now, they admit the atheism but don’t call themselves communists despite espousing nothing but communist views and always voting for the KGB-approved candidate in every election.

He's also stated before in tweets and posts(I remember reading them, but not exactly where) about this illogic of his parents.

I wonder if there are any Sigmas(or maybe even Gammas) with loving, reasonable, non-fucked up parents. I'm very interested in knowing how Sigma forms.

My speculation is it's unlikely if not downright impossible.

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-29-2019 01:08 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

...
I wonder if there are any Sigmas(or maybe even Gammas) with loving, reasonable, non-fucked up parents. I'm very interested in knowing how Sigma forms.

My speculation is it's unlikely if not downright impossible.

Are you referring to a nature / nurture premise?

Never had nasty parents & while they did divorce when I was eight.
I was already distinctly the introverted lone-wolf type at age five.

I could just as readily see the development of a 'sigma' being just from nature as much as a nature & nurture situation.

[Rendok]

(03-29-2019 01:08 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I wonder if there are any Sigmas(or maybe even Gammas) with loving, reasonable, non-fucked up parents. I'm very interested in knowing how Sigma forms.

I was lucky enough to grow up in a stable and loving family and couldn't wish for better parents.

Yet I am still working towards becoming a Sigma.

I believe that Sigma is the personality an ambitious introvert has to work towards while Alpha is the ultimate destination for an extrovert.

So to answer your question, it is all about personality type and I do not think upbringing has any relvance.

[The Catalyst]

The fact that Sigmas are really different to everything else makes me really want to know how it comes about.

Yeah it seems Sigma has a very high correlation with introversion. I'm very introverted, but I imagine if I was more psychologically "normal" I would be a lot more comfortable with doing what other people liked and being in their social circles. It would be less of a party vibe but still you would probably have a small connection thing rather than a total lone wolf thing.

Watch this space though. I'm leaving NZ very soon and will see how social circles and interactions work elsewhere. I've got a hunch that Aussie and Kiwi social interactions are so dysfunctional and backwards that if you're relatively normal, truth seeking, and self-confident you'll have heavy sigma traits here. Let's see if my sigma traits get blunted down. A reason I think this is because I can imagine myself liking social circle things but I can't imagine doing what Kiwis do or thinking how they think. If I am correct, I will be closer to understanding the nature of it and how it might come about.

[CynicalContrarian]

^
Yep. I can appreciate that. If you're not into pub / football or night club culture. You're going to have to resort to searching for meaningful or niche social interactions.

[Deusleveult]

(03-29-2019 11:05 PM)Rendok Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 01:08 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I wonder if there are any Sigmas(or maybe even Gammas) with loving, reasonable, non-fucked up parents. I'm very interested in knowing how Sigma forms.

I was lucky enough to grow up in a stable and loving family and couldn't wish for better parents.

Yet I am still working towards becoming a Sigma.

I believe that Sigma is the personality an ambitious introvert has to work towards while Alpha is the ultimate destination for an extrovert.

So to answer your question, it is all about personality type and I do not think upbringing has any relvance.

You should work on becoming yourself, not work on putting yourself in a category that might not be really you.

Challenge yourself, face your fears and demons, learn, grow, live the life you really want to live, be at peace with yourself and down the line you will be able to see where you stand.

[Rorogue]

I find that to be a Sigma, you must shed all attachments to society. You must not be emotionally invested in society.

You can't be halfway. If you are an Alpha, you willingly take responsibility, you are seeking to directly lead people.

When you are Sigma, though, you must get rid of all of that. You will never get the compliance or regard publicly that the Alpha gets, and you must be 100% okay with this. You are living by your own internal code- you have a vision of yourself, and you are moving to that without apology.

You likely do not have the mediation, compromising, or negotiating skills that an alpha does (and yes, I believe an alpha will strategically compromise at times), but in its place, you are always willing to walk away, to say goodbye to the person, place or situation, if it doesn't fit in with your vision.

[The Catalyst]

(03-29-2019 11:21 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Watch this space though. I'm leaving NZ very soon and will see how social circles and interactions work elsewhere. I've got a hunch that Aussie and Kiwi social interactions are so dysfunctional and backwards that if you're relatively normal, truth seeking, and self-confident you'll have heavy sigma traits here. Let's see if my sigma traits get blunted down. A reason I think this is because I can imagine myself liking social circle things but I can't imagine doing what Kiwis do or thinking how they think. If I am correct, I will be closer to understanding the nature of it and how it might come about.

Good time to bump this thread.

After being in Budapest and staying in hostels where tourists and partiers stay and hang out, yet degeneracy is still lower and friendships are still more meaningful than NZ, and ability to make friends and be social is much higher, I will conclude that I was right that at least in NZ the culture is just so retarded and backwards.

Thus, I will also conclude that Sigmaness is a natural, healthy response to a broken culture(Less often, I haven't really noticed this myself, but it's also plausible it also exists as a broken response to a healthy culture). It is an adaptation, because humans are social, conformist animals, which is generally very helpful. However when a culture is just broken enough you simply cannot afford to blindly go along with it, and instead withdraw and analyse every single aspect of lifestyle/socialisation/values and go along with what you think is correct rather than what the broken culture thinks is correct.

I'm shedding my sigma traits by the day. I'm still sigma enough that I would call myself one, but I have no problems being in social circles and integrating with people who genuinely care about me. Here, people also do much less retarded things(cultural) and the few they do do, it's not as much of a big deal if you decide you don't want to do them. Thus the benefits to being sigma just aren't there like they would be in a broken culture.