Hi,
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In my first 157 approaches so far I've gone mostly indirect. A lot of the approaches are just ones that lasted several seconds, as I asked people on the street for where there's a pet shop. I estimate that if I filter out all those pet shop conversations that led nowhere, I'm probably closer to around 20-30 approaches in the last 2 months.
I started in May at a German Role Play Convention. My first approach was a direct one, but one with a girl that worked there. She was just too cute, freckles and red, natural hair - I have a weakness for those. I told her I thought she looked really attractive. She said "thank you" and then immediately led into what she's doing there, pointing out her husband sitting there at the table within the first minute. I totally did not have any idea of what to say. But after I left, I felt a real rush of confidence. If I had done that once, I could do it again. The second girl I actually ended up getting a number from. That boosted my confidence even more.
On the second day of the convention I had another nice conversation with a cute girl that I went semi-direct on. I opened indirectly, but quickly gave her a compliment for her outfit. She started giggling at that point, and pretty much did every now and then for almost the entire conversation. We made some small talk and I went for the number, but the boyfriend-line made me give up. I was really on a high after that, because the interaction was still so positive. But after that I hit a low, when I approached a girl and said I liked her style, and she smiled, held her thumb up and kept walking. It was probably the most mild form of rejection I have experienced thus far, yet at that time that really put me down. I've approached around 10 girls in those 2 days. There was a point on the second day, when I felt really like approaching, but I sat down at a table to play a game for like 3 hours, and after that, it felt like my momentum was gone. All in all, it was a nice first experience. No matter how bad it went at times, I was hooked. I knew that my life was gonna turn around. I'm addicted to this now.
Over the next couple of weeks I mainly tried situational approaches. Very irregularily. There were nice situations that opened up every once in a while where I could start a conversation naturally, and it was interesting to spot these opportunities. But nothing really came from it.
I once approached a girl from behind, touching her arm and she spun around, startled, and asked "Are you retarded?" and left. I guess I am.
One day I was at a university party, I opened a group of 3 guys, one guy talking about how he always feels like shit on the dance floor when the Indian guy is dancing, because he is so good. I just asked "Is he really that good?". The guy immediately began to explain to me how good he is, and I segued into what they were doing. When the girl, that was standing close to the group, approached, I asked her "Do you study the same these guys are studying?". Moments later the guys went to the dance floor and the girl stayed cause she couldn't dance. Jackpot. Handed to me on a silver platter. I talked with her for 15-30 minutes. She was cute, a bit chubby, not fat, but a bit weird. She was still 19 and she kept talking about the Great Gatsby. She even had the book with her. She started to tell me the whole fucking story. Failed to build real attraction. At some point she even said to the other guys that I was a nice guy. I left once or twice, and every time I returned her face lit up and she said "Hey". But now there were so many guys standing around that I had trouble holding her attention without being needy. I just ditched them in favour of being able to walk around freely. In hindsight though, should've at least tried to get her number. Will probably see her again though.
I tried some direct approaches, because I thought that's the way to do daygame. One day I approached 3 girls. The first one said "Thank you", but said she had to get to her class. The second one stood there and talked to me for a minute or two, even smiling and looking intrigued. I felt like I went too much into nice guy talk and interview mode though, and she walked away soon saying she needed to meet her friend. The third approach just walked past me and looked at me weird. Was a bad note to end that on, and that probably factored into me abandoning direct game shortly after. One day later, I tried one more direct approach in front of a cinema. I was totally nervous and she probably knew. She looked at me sideways. I must've come across as really awkward, probably also because it was the first approach of the day. We talked about the movies we were going to see. I cut the conversation short and retreated. It took about a month for me to try direct game again and it wasn't that good so far either.
I got half-way through Day Bang and got to the section for street approaches. I had seen some London daygame before, but thought it was too ballsy for me. The pet shop opener seemed ideal. It helped me get into some really nice conversations, even going for the number close a couple of times and getting a number through it.
Here are some of the failed examples.
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Here's the number I got and how I messed it up.
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After a while though I got somewhat sick of talking about pets. And a lot of those kind of approaches just go nowhere, because some people just keep moving if they don't know. I started approaching in some other venues. Approaching women in the supermarket by asking about something they are buying, approaching women and asking them about their cellphone, just to start a conversation. These kind of approaches seemed to go better than the average pet shop opener.
I got one number from a girl waiting for the train. Asked about her phone, then asked her about the armbands she was wearing, which were from music festivals. Talked about music and stuff, then when the train arrived, I led her into some seats, talked for 12 more minutes before we arrived where I had to exist, so I closed and got her number, but she didn't reply to my text.
So at this point I had 3 numbers after about a month. Number 1 and 3 didn't respond, number 2 did, but I fucked it up.
Ok, keep going.
I tried direct game one more time some day and she just kept moving. Demotivated me again so I went back to indirect.
Then in the last days, I went to 2 different university parties during the daytime.
The first one was a Muslim gathering (I am not giving up pursuing Turkish and Muslim girls). The first girl I talked to asked for my name at some point and I went to shake her hand and she declined saying she wasn't allowed to touch men. Great. I picked the right venue. Then I went to sit next to some cute girls and they told me the men sit in another section, separate from the women. I was thinking about leaving then and there, but I stayed. There were other Germans equally as frustrated as me and we talked a bit. Over time, that "rule" loosened up with organizers saying they never made that rule to begin with. People just assumed. Glad I stayed. Talked to some nice girls. A Russian that was married, didn't get to close with her, but maybe I'll see her again there. Talked to a Moroccan girl for like 5 minutes and she offered to add me on Facebook, I gave her my name, and she added me the next day. Saw her again at the other party as well. She saw me, approached me and said "Hi", but couldn't stay for very long. See how that goes, only have to be careful not to fall into the friend category. Her face was ok, but her ass was juicy. Maybe if it doesn't work out, try some social circle game and get her to introduce me to some of her Muslim friends.
So the other party had me approaching over 20 sets. I got 3 numbers, and a couple of nice chats. Couldn't close as many as I wanted to and literally had 2 girls stolen from me while I was talking to them.
First number was a girl that was handing out flyers. They always are probably more likely to just give you something so they can continue to work in peace, but I thought fuck it, I'm trying anyway. She was handing out flyers for some musical group. We talked about musicals and music for a while, keeping it funny, not really much attraction I was able to build.
Second number was a really cute girl, nice ass, nice tan. She stood with 3-4 people. I approached her male friend, asked about the device she was holding (some floating device for swimming) and where she got it from, then transitioned into talking about music. She started asking personal questions and I asked for her name. I held her hand for about 30-60 seconds before she let go. So we went through that and then I closed. She said she didn't know her number because she had a new one, and that I should give her mine, but then she asked a friend for the number from her phone. She looked, couldn't find it, and then another friend gave it to me. Made me suspicious that it was fake, but why go through all that trouble? She could've just given me a fake one straight away. Anyway I felt I was in the zone. It didn't matter how much I actually built attraction with these girls, all that mattered was that I thought I was the shit, and that could help me with my next approaches.
Third number I got was from the approach right after that. I just felt at this point that it's best to just try and close every time, even if I have a feeling that I'm not getting it. Just to get the experience and get better at closing. So I approached her with "Did you get that redbull from here?". She was kinda cute, nice body, but a fucked up tooth that distracted me. Must've been a bit older than me, was already working as a teacher, probably 3 years older. Talked about energy drinks and then about what we do and some stuff. She only mentioned her boyfriend when I closed. He's playing in the band that was supposed to be on the stage next and she managed them. I said I don't wanna be your boyfriend and she gave me her number and said "Sure, we can still hang out, right?". Don't know if she understood my intentions but she's old enough to get it I think.
Now none of these girls have answered my text, and I don't think they will, but that matters less to me than the fact that I had these long conversations with them and went for the number.
Other approaches that day went sometimes better and sometimes worse. My favourite girl at that party was part of a 4 set. 2 guys, 2 girls. She was stunning, her female friend was ok, the guys looked kinda young. So I asked them about some stupid toilet sign that was lying on the grass and whether that means we should use the grass as a toilet or something and then went into how they look really young and how they are probably not even students here but still go to school. Spent some time on the guys, then went onto the cute girl. I wanted to close, but I thought I'm gonna test out if she has a boyfriend and I said "So you are together with him and you are together with him", pointing at the cute girl and the blonde beta-looking guy and then pointing at her black-haired friend and the more alpha-looking guy. They said no. They seemed playful enough for this. Turned out it was the cute girl and the more alpha-looking guy. I said "oh well that makes more sense, he looks better than him". The group laughed, and now the guy looked like he was gonna commit suicide. I said I didn't mean it like that. I didn't want to fuck with him like that, but after that I felt I might be about to overstay my welcome here. I should've maybe at least asked for their Facebooks. I didn't have the balls to close in front of the boyfriend. Have any of you ever done that? I swear this girl was so sweet, blonde, blue eyes, nice body, gorgeous face. When I got home that night with blue balls, I fapped it to her. I wanted her even more than the Moroccan girl from weeks ago.
In one instance, I talked to a girl for a bit, she mentioned her boyfriend, I slowed down, but then later she would approach me when I was at the stage watching some act, and then later again yell something back to me about not having to work anymore and finally being free for the evening. She was doing some makeup stuff there for people. I wanted to close with her, but I couldn't find her anymore.
I later approached 2 cute girls, I opened one by telling her why she's wearing these cool tattoos, yet also wearing a Justin Bieber shirt. Instant laugh. "Yeah I have a thing for boybands." Other than that she looked more like a rock girl. Her friend laughed too, telling me how much that annoys her too. We talked a bit, but then they had to leave to get to the stage for some act that was about to perform. Had the feeling they were still open to talking but really wanted to see the act. Didn't find them after that.
I had to leave the party because of my heavy blue balls, and it was getting dark anyway, and they were closing access to the toilets. I chatted up one more girl at the train station, indirect opener, comment on her dress and necklace, talk about all sorts of stuff, then ask for number once we arrived in my city. She had to exit there, too. Asked for her number. She said no, boyfriend. (She mentioned the boyfriend before). I said I don't wanna be your boyfriend, opened an entry in my phone, gave it to her. She held it, looked at it, looked at me, and said "I really don't wanna". I asked, do you have Facebook, she told me her name, I texted her, but she didn't add me. I don't know, she seemed pretty eager to talk, laughed at my jokes, whatever, didn't look good really anyway.
Then yesterday, I approached a girl on a bench, asked about phone, segued into necklace, talked about the Role Play Convention I was at a couple of weeks ago, where I started my journey. She's actually a 3D artist for a well-known German videogame company. She was at the Role Play Convention to show off their new game. She had to leave because she expected a friend. I asked her name and for her number. "I have a boyfriend", "I don't wanna be your boyfriend" etc. but declined and gave me her Facebook name. Doesn't accept request though. We had a nice chat, laughed etc. but didn't look that good anyway.
At this point I'm going for the close just for the sake of going for the close. What's the point of not doing it. The rejection means nothing to me at this point.
One more on that day. Really cute girl. In front of supermarket. Really, really cute. It pains me that I didn't get her number. I wanted to nail her right there. Asked about phone. She immediately felt it was weird. "Why don't you just look online." But still nice. Explain why I don't trust online reviews. "They're all bought." She helps me. Several minutes in. I say "And you wait for your friend here". She said "No, I was going to buy some alcohol. But then you held me up, and now it's too late, I have to catch my train". She didn't sound pissed though. I said "Well I did a good thing, alcohol is bad for you." She laughs. I said "So why do you wanna drink alcohol so early?" It was around 10 A.M. She said she was going to Dortmund to some festival party or something. I said "Well you have to go, I have to go, but another time I would like to take you out." This whole time her eyes kinda read "I know what you really want. Stop bullshitting me." When I tried to close, she smiled and said "No. No interest." I felt that was direct enough so I said bye. Kinda made me feel like going direct is better. Like that could've been an instance where going direct would've made her respect me a bit more, but then again she could've also just gone into the supermarket, because she didn't have the time. But I also didn't have too much time to ask anything beyond phone talk. Then again, having less time is all the more reason to go direct. I don't know, but it makes me wanna experiment more with direct game.
So today I wanted to try it direct. There was an Indian street parade outside, so I went looking for some cute Indian girls. Most of them looked too young though and they were also guarded by Indian men. So I just kept walking around for 2 hours, like I sometimes like to do. It was a Sunday, so not much I could do anyway. Somewhere around an hour in, I see two girls, but they look a bit young, and I don't dare to go direct there, lest I get the "I'm this young, what are you thinking" in front of other people. I don't wanna die getting killed by some street mob. In hindsight, I should've gone indirect with them to assess their age first. So I keep walking and I see an older woman. I walk towards her, hold my hand out, say "stop" and tell her she looks nice. She looks at me, smiles, and I see she's a bit older than I thought she would be and didn't really look that good. I keep going "And you're going to the park to enjoy this Sunday". She must've misunderstood, cause she said "No, I have family, I am busy", and left. Kinda glad she did. She even had a weird mole on her back. I then kept walking and some guy working on some car was eyeing me, maybe her husband. I couldn't find a single good-looking girl and just gave up and went home. Should've probably gone deeper into the city, but felt like exploring a bit.
Anyway, I'm not done with direct approaches. I have almost zero approach anxiety with indirect approaches, because how much AA can you have there really, so I wanna push myself and at least try to get some good direct approaches.
Well that's the most important stuff up to now. I'll keep updating this with the most important approaches, because I'm sick of logging every single minor approach in my log.
If I had to guess, I'd say my biggest problems are building attraction and being flirty enough, having this kind of push-pull, breaking rapport thing going. Maybe I need to talk less and a bit more slowly. And obviously being obese doesn't help. But I'm making progress there, too. I'm getting more ballsy with introducing touching though, gonna try and get better at that. I also can use some better clothes. I have an old leather jacket, but I don't think it looks good on me, and it's hot outside anyway. Wearing poloshirts mostly.
Well, we'll see how this goes. Would appreciate your feedback.
I introduced myself here
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In my first 157 approaches so far I've gone mostly indirect. A lot of the approaches are just ones that lasted several seconds, as I asked people on the street for where there's a pet shop. I estimate that if I filter out all those pet shop conversations that led nowhere, I'm probably closer to around 20-30 approaches in the last 2 months.
I started in May at a German Role Play Convention. My first approach was a direct one, but one with a girl that worked there. She was just too cute, freckles and red, natural hair - I have a weakness for those. I told her I thought she looked really attractive. She said "thank you" and then immediately led into what she's doing there, pointing out her husband sitting there at the table within the first minute. I totally did not have any idea of what to say. But after I left, I felt a real rush of confidence. If I had done that once, I could do it again. The second girl I actually ended up getting a number from. That boosted my confidence even more.
On the second day of the convention I had another nice conversation with a cute girl that I went semi-direct on. I opened indirectly, but quickly gave her a compliment for her outfit. She started giggling at that point, and pretty much did every now and then for almost the entire conversation. We made some small talk and I went for the number, but the boyfriend-line made me give up. I was really on a high after that, because the interaction was still so positive. But after that I hit a low, when I approached a girl and said I liked her style, and she smiled, held her thumb up and kept walking. It was probably the most mild form of rejection I have experienced thus far, yet at that time that really put me down. I've approached around 10 girls in those 2 days. There was a point on the second day, when I felt really like approaching, but I sat down at a table to play a game for like 3 hours, and after that, it felt like my momentum was gone. All in all, it was a nice first experience. No matter how bad it went at times, I was hooked. I knew that my life was gonna turn around. I'm addicted to this now.
Over the next couple of weeks I mainly tried situational approaches. Very irregularily. There were nice situations that opened up every once in a while where I could start a conversation naturally, and it was interesting to spot these opportunities. But nothing really came from it.
I once approached a girl from behind, touching her arm and she spun around, startled, and asked "Are you retarded?" and left. I guess I am.
One day I was at a university party, I opened a group of 3 guys, one guy talking about how he always feels like shit on the dance floor when the Indian guy is dancing, because he is so good. I just asked "Is he really that good?". The guy immediately began to explain to me how good he is, and I segued into what they were doing. When the girl, that was standing close to the group, approached, I asked her "Do you study the same these guys are studying?". Moments later the guys went to the dance floor and the girl stayed cause she couldn't dance. Jackpot. Handed to me on a silver platter. I talked with her for 15-30 minutes. She was cute, a bit chubby, not fat, but a bit weird. She was still 19 and she kept talking about the Great Gatsby. She even had the book with her. She started to tell me the whole fucking story. Failed to build real attraction. At some point she even said to the other guys that I was a nice guy. I left once or twice, and every time I returned her face lit up and she said "Hey". But now there were so many guys standing around that I had trouble holding her attention without being needy. I just ditched them in favour of being able to walk around freely. In hindsight though, should've at least tried to get her number. Will probably see her again though.
I tried some direct approaches, because I thought that's the way to do daygame. One day I approached 3 girls. The first one said "Thank you", but said she had to get to her class. The second one stood there and talked to me for a minute or two, even smiling and looking intrigued. I felt like I went too much into nice guy talk and interview mode though, and she walked away soon saying she needed to meet her friend. The third approach just walked past me and looked at me weird. Was a bad note to end that on, and that probably factored into me abandoning direct game shortly after. One day later, I tried one more direct approach in front of a cinema. I was totally nervous and she probably knew. She looked at me sideways. I must've come across as really awkward, probably also because it was the first approach of the day. We talked about the movies we were going to see. I cut the conversation short and retreated. It took about a month for me to try direct game again and it wasn't that good so far either.
I got half-way through Day Bang and got to the section for street approaches. I had seen some London daygame before, but thought it was too ballsy for me. The pet shop opener seemed ideal. It helped me get into some really nice conversations, even going for the number close a couple of times and getting a number through it.
Here are some of the failed examples.
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Quote: (06-24-2017 07:13 PM)Thinking Out Loud Wrote:
First I approached 2 girls. I mainly do Roosh's Pet Shop opener from Day Bang, pretty much as a default. I was in a mall, and maybe some mall opener would've been better, but this way I approach way more women faster because I can pull the Pet Shop opener pretty much anywhere and I have it ready the moment I see a girl. One of the girls was blonde and cute, the other one was brunette and kinda ok. They were helpful, but I wasn't really able to build attraction. Especially the blonde girl was really helpful though, and while the other one was looking for a shop on her phone, she told me she actually had a cat she was trying to find someone for to give away to. Now I don't want a cat, obviously, but she offered to take my phone number so we could arrange something. Now she has my number, but there was really no IOI on her side. I joked a bit, she laughed, but the conversation ended shortly after I gave her my number and she probably has no idea what I really wanted, cause I didn't get into asking her any personal questions.
The second one was me approaching 2 Muslim girls, Moroccan, as it turned out. This happened in Germany and they both spoke perfect German. They both wore headscarfs, but had very tight clothes on. Tight skirts that showed off their gorgeous asses. One of the girls was ok-looking, the other one was really beautiful, and she also had the better ass. An ass I wanted to sink my face into. Now the two started talking to some other foreign dude, and one of the girls had her cellphone out, so it looked to me like they were flirting, and she was asking for his number. Since I got the impression they were DTF, I sat down on a bench, drinking some water, waiting for them to finish. When they eventually finished talking, they went to the escalator. I followed them, but was a bit behind. Then I heard one of them say that they were going in the wrong direction, so they turned around. I walked past them and stood to the right side of the escalator. When they walked into my direction, I opened them. They seemed friendly enough. They did not make any indication of wanting to leave in the first 5 minutes. I pulled out everything that I had. The prettier of the two girls seemed disinterested at times, avoiding eye contact. But every once in a while, some of my ramble caught her attention and she would look me in the eye and ask me something. None of the big personal questions though. After about 5 minutes the ok-looking girl said they needed to leave cause they needed to catch their train. Like Roosh said in Day Bang, my feet were in cement. I wasn't gonna move. I told the prettier girl that I thought she was really nice and that she could give me her number. I don't remember the exact words I used. But she started to laugh, not in a way that felt like she was making fun of me, more in an "I'm embarrassed" kind of way. She looked to her friend and said something, that I couldn't quite make out. I just thought she was probably concerned about what she or others might think of her. I pulled out my phone, opened a new entry and held it out towards her. She didn't really react, she didn't look at me, just nervously laughing at her friend. This went on for about 30 seconds. At this point I felt a foreign guy, possibly Turkish and/or Muslim, looking over from a table behind the girls. I noticed him looking at me with a grim face 3 times. It didn't bother me that someone was watching me, but I imagined this guy thinking "what is he doing with our Muslim women?" and thought if I continued I might risk a fight. Maybe that was unreasonable, but in that moment, I pulled back my phone, put it in my pocket and said "Look if you're uncomfortable with this, you don't have to do this." The ok-looking girl said that they weren't uncomfortable, just that they had to go. Yet they still stood there. Shortly after that I just said bye and the girls walked away.
Here's the number I got and how I messed it up.
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Quote: (06-27-2017 06:06 PM)Thinking Out Loud Wrote:
Alright, so 2 days ago I got the number of a cute Chinese girl. Used the pet shop opener. Texted her today.
Me: "Still haven't found a suitable pet. Thinking about just stealing a random cat off the street. What are you up to?"
Her: "Seriously? haven't seen homeless cat in Germany"
Me: "They are all hiding from you cause they know you are a bad girl"
Her: "ehmm that's not true"
Me: "Oh really. I'm not sure I believe you..."
Tried being cocky and sexual but probably backfired. Don't know if it's that she's not a native speaker of English or if that kind of stuff just doesn't work with Chinese girls. Maybe it's cause when I approached her, I didn't really make it sexual or touched her at all, so now it's weird for her. It's hard to tell for me. I feel like she just doesn't really get jokes and she took what I said literally and now thinks that I think she is literally a bad person. She hasn't responded to my last text for half a day, even though previous responses were 7-30 minutes.
Quote: (06-28-2017 10:10 AM)Thinking Out Loud Wrote:So I'm clearly a retard.
I texted her "did I scare you awayyou know I was just joking around, right?". But she didn't reply. I can't believe I let that fish off my hook.
After a while though I got somewhat sick of talking about pets. And a lot of those kind of approaches just go nowhere, because some people just keep moving if they don't know. I started approaching in some other venues. Approaching women in the supermarket by asking about something they are buying, approaching women and asking them about their cellphone, just to start a conversation. These kind of approaches seemed to go better than the average pet shop opener.
I got one number from a girl waiting for the train. Asked about her phone, then asked her about the armbands she was wearing, which were from music festivals. Talked about music and stuff, then when the train arrived, I led her into some seats, talked for 12 more minutes before we arrived where I had to exist, so I closed and got her number, but she didn't reply to my text.
So at this point I had 3 numbers after about a month. Number 1 and 3 didn't respond, number 2 did, but I fucked it up.
Ok, keep going.
I tried direct game one more time some day and she just kept moving. Demotivated me again so I went back to indirect.
Then in the last days, I went to 2 different university parties during the daytime.
The first one was a Muslim gathering (I am not giving up pursuing Turkish and Muslim girls). The first girl I talked to asked for my name at some point and I went to shake her hand and she declined saying she wasn't allowed to touch men. Great. I picked the right venue. Then I went to sit next to some cute girls and they told me the men sit in another section, separate from the women. I was thinking about leaving then and there, but I stayed. There were other Germans equally as frustrated as me and we talked a bit. Over time, that "rule" loosened up with organizers saying they never made that rule to begin with. People just assumed. Glad I stayed. Talked to some nice girls. A Russian that was married, didn't get to close with her, but maybe I'll see her again there. Talked to a Moroccan girl for like 5 minutes and she offered to add me on Facebook, I gave her my name, and she added me the next day. Saw her again at the other party as well. She saw me, approached me and said "Hi", but couldn't stay for very long. See how that goes, only have to be careful not to fall into the friend category. Her face was ok, but her ass was juicy. Maybe if it doesn't work out, try some social circle game and get her to introduce me to some of her Muslim friends.
So the other party had me approaching over 20 sets. I got 3 numbers, and a couple of nice chats. Couldn't close as many as I wanted to and literally had 2 girls stolen from me while I was talking to them.
First number was a girl that was handing out flyers. They always are probably more likely to just give you something so they can continue to work in peace, but I thought fuck it, I'm trying anyway. She was handing out flyers for some musical group. We talked about musicals and music for a while, keeping it funny, not really much attraction I was able to build.
Second number was a really cute girl, nice ass, nice tan. She stood with 3-4 people. I approached her male friend, asked about the device she was holding (some floating device for swimming) and where she got it from, then transitioned into talking about music. She started asking personal questions and I asked for her name. I held her hand for about 30-60 seconds before she let go. So we went through that and then I closed. She said she didn't know her number because she had a new one, and that I should give her mine, but then she asked a friend for the number from her phone. She looked, couldn't find it, and then another friend gave it to me. Made me suspicious that it was fake, but why go through all that trouble? She could've just given me a fake one straight away. Anyway I felt I was in the zone. It didn't matter how much I actually built attraction with these girls, all that mattered was that I thought I was the shit, and that could help me with my next approaches.
Third number I got was from the approach right after that. I just felt at this point that it's best to just try and close every time, even if I have a feeling that I'm not getting it. Just to get the experience and get better at closing. So I approached her with "Did you get that redbull from here?". She was kinda cute, nice body, but a fucked up tooth that distracted me. Must've been a bit older than me, was already working as a teacher, probably 3 years older. Talked about energy drinks and then about what we do and some stuff. She only mentioned her boyfriend when I closed. He's playing in the band that was supposed to be on the stage next and she managed them. I said I don't wanna be your boyfriend and she gave me her number and said "Sure, we can still hang out, right?". Don't know if she understood my intentions but she's old enough to get it I think.
Now none of these girls have answered my text, and I don't think they will, but that matters less to me than the fact that I had these long conversations with them and went for the number.
Other approaches that day went sometimes better and sometimes worse. My favourite girl at that party was part of a 4 set. 2 guys, 2 girls. She was stunning, her female friend was ok, the guys looked kinda young. So I asked them about some stupid toilet sign that was lying on the grass and whether that means we should use the grass as a toilet or something and then went into how they look really young and how they are probably not even students here but still go to school. Spent some time on the guys, then went onto the cute girl. I wanted to close, but I thought I'm gonna test out if she has a boyfriend and I said "So you are together with him and you are together with him", pointing at the cute girl and the blonde beta-looking guy and then pointing at her black-haired friend and the more alpha-looking guy. They said no. They seemed playful enough for this. Turned out it was the cute girl and the more alpha-looking guy. I said "oh well that makes more sense, he looks better than him". The group laughed, and now the guy looked like he was gonna commit suicide. I said I didn't mean it like that. I didn't want to fuck with him like that, but after that I felt I might be about to overstay my welcome here. I should've maybe at least asked for their Facebooks. I didn't have the balls to close in front of the boyfriend. Have any of you ever done that? I swear this girl was so sweet, blonde, blue eyes, nice body, gorgeous face. When I got home that night with blue balls, I fapped it to her. I wanted her even more than the Moroccan girl from weeks ago.
In one instance, I talked to a girl for a bit, she mentioned her boyfriend, I slowed down, but then later she would approach me when I was at the stage watching some act, and then later again yell something back to me about not having to work anymore and finally being free for the evening. She was doing some makeup stuff there for people. I wanted to close with her, but I couldn't find her anymore.
I later approached 2 cute girls, I opened one by telling her why she's wearing these cool tattoos, yet also wearing a Justin Bieber shirt. Instant laugh. "Yeah I have a thing for boybands." Other than that she looked more like a rock girl. Her friend laughed too, telling me how much that annoys her too. We talked a bit, but then they had to leave to get to the stage for some act that was about to perform. Had the feeling they were still open to talking but really wanted to see the act. Didn't find them after that.
I had to leave the party because of my heavy blue balls, and it was getting dark anyway, and they were closing access to the toilets. I chatted up one more girl at the train station, indirect opener, comment on her dress and necklace, talk about all sorts of stuff, then ask for number once we arrived in my city. She had to exit there, too. Asked for her number. She said no, boyfriend. (She mentioned the boyfriend before). I said I don't wanna be your boyfriend, opened an entry in my phone, gave it to her. She held it, looked at it, looked at me, and said "I really don't wanna". I asked, do you have Facebook, she told me her name, I texted her, but she didn't add me. I don't know, she seemed pretty eager to talk, laughed at my jokes, whatever, didn't look good really anyway.
Then yesterday, I approached a girl on a bench, asked about phone, segued into necklace, talked about the Role Play Convention I was at a couple of weeks ago, where I started my journey. She's actually a 3D artist for a well-known German videogame company. She was at the Role Play Convention to show off their new game. She had to leave because she expected a friend. I asked her name and for her number. "I have a boyfriend", "I don't wanna be your boyfriend" etc. but declined and gave me her Facebook name. Doesn't accept request though. We had a nice chat, laughed etc. but didn't look that good anyway.
At this point I'm going for the close just for the sake of going for the close. What's the point of not doing it. The rejection means nothing to me at this point.
One more on that day. Really cute girl. In front of supermarket. Really, really cute. It pains me that I didn't get her number. I wanted to nail her right there. Asked about phone. She immediately felt it was weird. "Why don't you just look online." But still nice. Explain why I don't trust online reviews. "They're all bought." She helps me. Several minutes in. I say "And you wait for your friend here". She said "No, I was going to buy some alcohol. But then you held me up, and now it's too late, I have to catch my train". She didn't sound pissed though. I said "Well I did a good thing, alcohol is bad for you." She laughs. I said "So why do you wanna drink alcohol so early?" It was around 10 A.M. She said she was going to Dortmund to some festival party or something. I said "Well you have to go, I have to go, but another time I would like to take you out." This whole time her eyes kinda read "I know what you really want. Stop bullshitting me." When I tried to close, she smiled and said "No. No interest." I felt that was direct enough so I said bye. Kinda made me feel like going direct is better. Like that could've been an instance where going direct would've made her respect me a bit more, but then again she could've also just gone into the supermarket, because she didn't have the time. But I also didn't have too much time to ask anything beyond phone talk. Then again, having less time is all the more reason to go direct. I don't know, but it makes me wanna experiment more with direct game.
So today I wanted to try it direct. There was an Indian street parade outside, so I went looking for some cute Indian girls. Most of them looked too young though and they were also guarded by Indian men. So I just kept walking around for 2 hours, like I sometimes like to do. It was a Sunday, so not much I could do anyway. Somewhere around an hour in, I see two girls, but they look a bit young, and I don't dare to go direct there, lest I get the "I'm this young, what are you thinking" in front of other people. I don't wanna die getting killed by some street mob. In hindsight, I should've gone indirect with them to assess their age first. So I keep walking and I see an older woman. I walk towards her, hold my hand out, say "stop" and tell her she looks nice. She looks at me, smiles, and I see she's a bit older than I thought she would be and didn't really look that good. I keep going "And you're going to the park to enjoy this Sunday". She must've misunderstood, cause she said "No, I have family, I am busy", and left. Kinda glad she did. She even had a weird mole on her back. I then kept walking and some guy working on some car was eyeing me, maybe her husband. I couldn't find a single good-looking girl and just gave up and went home. Should've probably gone deeper into the city, but felt like exploring a bit.
Anyway, I'm not done with direct approaches. I have almost zero approach anxiety with indirect approaches, because how much AA can you have there really, so I wanna push myself and at least try to get some good direct approaches.
Well that's the most important stuff up to now. I'll keep updating this with the most important approaches, because I'm sick of logging every single minor approach in my log.
If I had to guess, I'd say my biggest problems are building attraction and being flirty enough, having this kind of push-pull, breaking rapport thing going. Maybe I need to talk less and a bit more slowly. And obviously being obese doesn't help. But I'm making progress there, too. I'm getting more ballsy with introducing touching though, gonna try and get better at that. I also can use some better clothes. I have an old leather jacket, but I don't think it looks good on me, and it's hot outside anyway. Wearing poloshirts mostly.
Well, we'll see how this goes. Would appreciate your feedback.
