Quote: (08-05-2018 04:37 PM)DaveR Wrote:
Quote: (08-05-2018 04:10 PM)Going strong Wrote:
Quote: (08-01-2018 03:42 PM)DaveR Wrote:
Quite a valuable citizenship for thought criminals given that Russia doesn't ever allow extradition of its citizens and the various US three-letter agencies are unable to operate in Russia. China is probably the only other nation that can match this.
Be careful with this misconception, about "countries that do not extradite their citizens".
Because in most (all?) cases and countries, this applies only to natural-born citizens, and not to naturalized citizens. So if you get citizenship in a country that "do not extradite its citizens", you'd become an exception to the rule, as a citizen by acquisition.
What misconception would that be? Do you have anything to support that baseless comment? I'm not interested in what other countries do; Russia does not extradite its citizens, and there is no distinction between those granted citizenship by decree, born in Russia, born abroad to Russian parents or naturalised citizens.
Here's the relevant clause right in the Constitution:
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Статья 61
1. Гражданин Российской Федерации не может быть выслан за пределы Российской Федерации или выдан другому государству.
And it's regularly tested in child custody cases.
Then, if what you say is true (there might be exceptions listed afterwards in the Constitution, I don't know), Russia is an exception, compared to most countries of the world.
And note that I said, in my post above, "
most" countries, and not
all.
Also, regarding this, I quote: "
Do you have anything to support that baseless comment? I'm not interested in what other countries do", I can't help but smile at your (amusing) aggressive stance and mood: very typical for Russian men indeed. Relax, my friend, have another shot of vodka.
Now, the reason why
most countries in the world make exceptions regarding their non-extradition laws, is that they logically want to avoid attracting people who are in (massive) trouble with the law in their original, native countries. So to discourage this kind of unsavory people from applying, most countries make exceptions to their laws.
https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstre...equence=11
General rule of law, worldwide:
"that the nationality of the accused shall be considered to be the one that he or she possessed on the date of the commission of the alleged offense."
And never forget that
you could be stripped from the citizenship you acquired, if you failed to disclose your full legal situation when you applied for it:
"Fourthly, provision is often made for
denaturalization if the nationality was acquired fraudulently, ‘particularly through the statement of false data, or through
misleading the authorities by omitting data or facts’. Fraudulent purpose (
to avoid extradition and, hence, prosecution) or the
concealment of the fact that the person might be wanted for prosecution of a serious crime abroad
has been considered sufficient to qualify under this title."