[Iso]

I want to hear stories of guys here who started out at the bottom (virgins, GF broke up with them, little success with women, no social skills, etc.) and made it as players through game. I want to hear how you did it and how long it took you.

[XXL]

I think I have made substancial progress since I started.

At first I acknowldged there was something wrong with me in general.

Then I compared myself to other guys and pointed out differences.

Then I broke down why there were better than me or why I was worst aka why they could do what I could not pull off socially.

Then I absorbed lots of game content and tried it out. In the meantime I worked with my image and found myself so to speak.

A lot of trial and error later I noticed I was going in right direction. I established what I learned by real life results and first hand experiebce.

That took me around 6 years which also included overcoming major social anxiety and personal issues not just lack of game.

Now I have lost the drive to stay in chasing tail game I was in deep before and focused on my lifelstyle in general.

[LINUX]

Not sure what you consider a "player". If you want to know how long it will take me to take someone below average (which are most virgins) and turn him into someone who can pull at the club once a month in the states.

Maybe 3- 5 years, If he spent every weekend with me.

Could be faster or slower depending on his genetics, time, and dedication to the gym, nutrition and ability to take testosterone, and how fast he can stop being a boy and become a man.

I've met hundreds of guys and some of the best players around but I've never met one guy who could pull on a consistent basis who failed to put most of his effort into his appearance, physique, ego, and masculinity, unless he was pulling in a desperation country like Philippines, Thailand, Peru.

And that's just reality.

[Steelex]

I discovered game at the age of 15 back when it was the mystery method.

I'd say it's shaped my path in life dramatically.

[Sebastian]

At 15 year olds? You are very lucky.

I cant imagine 15 year olds running lines on 13 year olds at the mall lol. How was it?

[Chetthebaker]

OP, the phrase you're using-- "made it as a player"-- will mean different things depending on where you're at in life and what you want. You'll always need to adapt eventually, and in that sense making it can be sort of nebulous.

My progression wasn't very linear, and like everything- still a work in progress.

Outside of a meager few experiences in high school, I didn't really start hooking up with girls until my senior year of college. I'd started lifting weights and after a couple years I'd put on some pounds and gained some confidence, but I still had little game, and so it was still difficult. Through my early 20s the progression continued, I started making a little money and meeting different people, and had new and better looking girlfriends. I also played guitar in bands which kept me busy and engaged more than it enabled me to meet new women. I wasn't able to sleep with a ton of girls, and I sometimes kick myself over some of the missed opportunities with girls around my age from that time, but I did alright.

Then at 26, after a 6-7 month period of kicking around with a few so-so fuckbuddies/exes/etc. and becoming kind of disenchanted, I hooked a really hot girl. We knew each other through friends. She was sweet and cool. I had some happy years with her.
I got burned out on my job. I entered a new career and things turned around. We got engaged. Then married a while after that. The first year of marriage was great.

Her narcissistic/borderline tendencies started to become more amplified(although I didn't know what any of this was at the time) as social media and Iphones became more of a thing and my relationship game slipped. I wasn't making time to exercise. I bought the crap about relationships being "work". In reality, I was doing the work- cooking, cleaning our home that I owned, paying the bills while she kept the money from her job to herself.
Long story short, I got very sick, left her, paid a bunch of money to get her the fuck out of my life, and then re-entered the whole dating thing after almost 8 years out. Online dating was in full swing and I felt like a fucking alien landing on new planet. I had to get back in shape again after being ill. I got sick again. So it was like starting from scratch.

The two girls I've had in my life over the last year and a half have been solid. They give me massages, cook for me, and I get very little shit from them. Today, on my instructions, the current one went out and bought ingredients and made me chicken soup as I've been laid up with a cold for a couple days. She spent her own money. Compared to my ex-wife this is...well, there's no comparison.
My ex-wife had better tits though. You win some, you lose some.

Although to more blue-pill friends I seem like a player who always has a decently cute girlfriend, I feel like I still struggle and new girls/bangs don't come into my life easily. I'd love to be nailing a new 22 year old every other week, but that doesn't happen too often for me. So in that sense the transformation doesn't feel huge, but the difference in how I get treated and how I deal with women is.

[Steelex]

It was ridiculous. Cant say I had a lot of luck with it as a teenager as far as cold approach goes. However it gave me a paradigm through which I could understand chicks. I figured out that being nice wasn't going to work. That attraction was not a choice.

I also learned a lot from the David Deangelo stuff as well, if any of you remember that.

By the time I was 20 I had switched to mostly online game, and was reeling it in pretty good. It suited my conversational style well, plus I couldn't get in to any bars and didn't have a fake id.

[Doxacite]

^^^^None of that mystery method stuff or David D stuff helped me at all or change anything. So I am pretty skeptical about any progress that anyone makes when they say that stuff helped them. None of it was really practical or really ground breaking at all. It didn't change or help a thing for me at all.....

[dknightbro]

Still a work in progress, but I've progressed a lot from when I first started.

I couldn't even look a girl in the eye before because I was so shy + socially anxious.

It wasn't a linear progression by far and I even took large chunks of hiatus to pursue other interests.

At this point, I've tried a lot of different methods (from the ancient cocky-funny David D stuff...which shows how newbie I was when I started...to self-studying brain anatomy to understand human behavior) so my approach to game is an amalgam of many different styles, including my own angles.

I remember using canned + memorized lines and bailing as soon as I ran out. Now I can improvise or merge as I see fit.

Game is a skill that requires maintenance or you will get rusty. But as more advanced players can attest, at the end it becomes a matter of developing your lifestyle. Once your lifestyle improves, you find you can attract women to you.

Logistics is one of the biggest factors in developed game and you'll find yourself doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work rather than straight up cold approach when you're seeking to optimize your game.

As with any craft, it's really about a determination to improve and eventually you'll develop your own style.

I think the oddest thing I didn't anticipate in developing game was that if you seek to optimize your craft, you'll spend more time on back-end stuff (logistics, gym, etc.) than straight going outside to cold approach. Combined, your results will exponentially grow.

For example, my dedication to the gym was so beyond women that when I first started I could barely attract females to the point where when I came out of the gym cave, I found myself getting attraction from females that I thought were beyond my capabilities when I was starting out.

I basically skipped several points on the attraction factor and found myself at a high level simply because I focused so much on the gym that I didn't bother testing my attraction with females until I was cool with my gym results.

[Investment Bro]

Yeah, I went from a groveling beta to a stronger and more confident version of myself, but of course I'm still a work in progress.

Last March, when my first real girlfriend and I split after over 3 years and I was crushed, I happened upon the manosphere. Luckily enough, at this point I had already been lifting for 4 years, and my monetary situation was good.

In short order, while dealing with serious heartbreak, I grabbed two plates, and essentially began to fuck myself out of the doldrums. Over time, I've progressed from a man who was subservient from women, and couldn't make sustained eye contact, to a man today who gladly meets, and holds eye contact. The women in my life follow my lead, and its almost comical to watch other guys look at me when I have them doing things for me.

For example, I had one of my girlfriends massaging conditioner into my beard yesterday at the beach while I laid back in my chair. Some of the looks we got were pretty funny.

That said, I suppose game hasn't transformed me, but brought out the manly part of me I have been denying all my life. What I suspect the red pill and neo-masculinity really is, is a true coming into self ritual denied to us by society. We are not changing so much, but connecting with our true, spiritual and otherwise, selves.

[The_e_man]

Circa 2011, 18 years old. Had a high school girlfriend that I broke up with a while ago in search of greener pastures. Had few real friends, had no girlfriends or "flings" and barely had any girls that would even text me back. Drunkenly making out with a chubby 6 at the bar on the weekend with my equally beta friends was a victory for me. And that chubby 6 would not reply to my text the next day, and if she did then she would flake at any possibility of a hang out. My notch count was 1: my high school girlfriend (she was actually rather attractive and I definitely was not regularly getting girls higher than her calibre for quite some time after). I was often labelled as a creep by girls and other people. I used to think that they were the ones that were delusional and just didn't know any better. Took me a little while to get my head out of my ass and understand things.

I still am on the process of continually improving myself, but I am in a much better place thanks to a deeper understanding of "game" / social dynamics / whatever you prefer to call it.
- Notch count around 140 (stopped updating my list at 100)
- Regularly talk to beautiful women and have a few girls constantly "in rotation" that I am seeing / sleeping with
- I am friends with hot girls. I mean legitimate friends, not "friendzone" but actual genuine friendship with a light and healthy mix of mutual sexual tension thrown in every now and then.
- An active part of many different social circles, constantly going out to music festivals and whatnot together (recently just came back from EDC Las Vegas, going to Fvded in the Park in vancouver next weekend, and going to Chasing Summer in Calgary in august - PM me if you will be at any of those)
I will admit that I objectively have also gotten more physically attractive since 6 years ago now that I'm about to be turning 24 I feel like I have grown into my face more. So that coupled with the fact that I have 6 years of game experience has made a MASSIVE change in my life completely for the better. It wasn't a cakewalk though. Thousands upon thousands of approaches, thousands of rejections, so much embarrassment, so much energy and time. I spent a few months where I would go out literally 6-7 nights a week and game. Go daygaming at the mall, go to work, then go out to the club at night. I lived and breathed game. I read every book, listened to every podcast, subscribed to every forum.

I have now distanced myself considerably from the community because, to be completely frank with you, the community has many social rejects, strange autistic virgins, and just straight up losers. The most mentorship and growth that I get these days is from my natural friends. The tall good looking alphas that hot girls seem to just throw themselves at in droves. The guys that have girls begging to see them and crying over them until the mascara completely runs down their face. The guys that make the hottest girls throw away any ounce of self-respect or shame they may have in desperate attempts to have this guy in their life. Once I put my jealously and hatred aside, I was like a sponge learning as much as possible that I could from these guys. This changes things from "cold approach pickup game" into "social circle go with the flow game."

Now, before I completely shit on the PUA scene and insult some players on this forum that are light years ahead of me and get way better results than me, I do want to say that being that "creepy cold approach pickup guy" was a vital stage in my life and a very important stepping stone to getting me where I am now. Take one of my tall good looking friends and take away his looks and status, and he will vanish into nothing. He would collapse into a ball of literal shit. These guys actually have some weak inner game deep in their core and it comes out all the time. The girls just chose to ignore it or downplay it or hamsterize / interpretate it since they are so high value otherwise. The female mind loves to create fairytale narratives. Remember that. However, take a guy like me or someone with some experience on this forum, give him ugly clothes, a big gut, and a weird haircut, and he will still grind and hit the pavement and, with a bit of work, still see results and see success. Will he see success as easily as Mr. Good Looking Chad Thundercock? Definitely not, Chad doesn't have to put ant work in at all and he will have (super hot) girls throwing themselves at him en masse. But Mr. PUA can make things work no matter the circumstance. He can grind, and improvise, and innovate, and find ways to increase efficiency in a systematically logical and pragmatic way. In this way, Mr "Creepy Pickup Artist" is lightyears ahead of Mr. "Cool and Good Looking"

So to cap up what I'm trying to say and to sort of tell what I think you need to hear based on this thread you made:
- Keep grinding brother, stay in the game and apply your heart and soul into mastering this, but realize it's a long journey ahead
- Which brings up this next point: Keep your chin down and GRIND. You will need thousands of rejections before things start to slowly and naturally just "click" and micromanage themselves automatically.
- Once you get past the newbie / intermediate stage, try and associate in the social circles of the "cool good looking guys". If you try and do this when you are still a newbie, they are not gonna want you to hang out with them since you offer no value and you are likely to be a little too weird and dorky for them
- If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me or just ask it on this thread.

Cheers

[rorochido1]

(07-04-2017 02:32 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

The guys that have girls begging to see them and crying over them until the mascara completely runs down their face. The guys that make the hottest girls throw away any ounce of self-respect or shame they may have in desperate attempts to have this guy in their life. Once I put my jealously and hatred aside, I was like a sponge learning as much as possible that I could from these guys. This changes things from "cold approach pickup game" into "social circle go with the flow game."

Mr. Good Looking Chad Thundercock? Definitely not, Chad doesn't have to put ant work in at all and he will have (super hot) girls throwing themselves at him en masse. But Mr. PUA can make things work no matter the circumstance. He can grind, and improvise, and innovate, and find ways to increase efficiency in a systematically logical and pragmatic way. In this way, Mr "Creepy Pickup Artist" is lightyears ahead of Mr. "Cool and Good Looking"

So to cap up what I'm trying to say and to sort of tell what I think you need to hear based on this thread you made:
- Keep grinding brother, stay in the game and apply your heart and soul into mastering this, but realize it's a long journey ahead
- Which brings up this next point: Keep your chin down and GRIND. You will need thousands of rejections before things start to slowly and naturally just "click" and micromanage themselves automatically.
- Once you get past the newbie / intermediate stage, try and associate in the social circles of the "cool good looking guys". If you try and do this when you are still a newbie, they are not gonna want you to hang out with them since you offer no value and you are likely to be a little too weird and dorky for them
- If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me or just ask it on this thread.

Cheers

Cool, will seek the local "Chad".

[rungoodinc]

Before I learned game, I had only banged 3 chicks lifetime and was on a 1.5 year long dry spell. I was a pretty hard case so I was willing to try anything at that point even though I had a negative perception of "game" at the time.

It took me about 1.5 years to get to a solid and consistent level of game (smashed about 20 girls in that time span). That involved approaching girls 3-5 days a week, EVERY week. I didn't focus too much on pickup techniques, I mainly focused on approaching a lot and keeping the pipeline full. I also had an OG/jedi as mentor who took me under his wing...That helped a ton.

It's possible but persistence and consistency are absolutely necessary. It's like learning to play a sport from scratch, you've gotta be disciplined enough to put in the work and determined enough to not get discouraged when you take your lumps.

[Tank_]

I had no friends and everyone considered me entirely socially inept and extremely strange when I was 16, women being entirely off the table.

Conscious self-improvement in general, which game was a part of, transformed my life in drastic ways, where now I generally have a fun group of friends, Ive slept with about 90 women, and generally have a better comfort and swag in dealing with life.

I did seem to have reached a ceiling (a high 6 in smv), however. There is a degree to which game is letting you play up to your potential, but doesn't necessarily change your hardware and increase that potential, which seems to require something else.