[griffinmill]

(06-27-2017 01:46 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Once she got dumped it must have been the most nuclear SMV end/wall hit/self imposed hell possible ... the bitch must say to herself over and over "I dated George Clooney" ... which reinforces yet again how the visions of cat lady sugar plums keep dancing in her head. Every time she meets a man somewhat interested she probably scoffs and George's Cheshire cat grin tells her "He's not me" and laughs... must drive her crazy.

Don't forget the most famous recent example of a girl being alpha widowed. The little Irish girl from the sticks Cathriona White who was dating Jim Carey.






Until she wasn't.



Awful story, and I'm not making light of it. But it shows you what it will do to a woman knowing lightning will have to strike twice for her to date another man with this type of SMV.

[rudebwoy]

^What makes Carey and Alpha?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-28-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^What makes Carey and Alpha?

High SMV can come without much of Alpha Frame. Also he regularly dates new women and dumps them without much ceremony. I somehow doubt that he is a full-on Beta.

[PapayaTapper]

(06-26-2017 01:42 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I see killjoy got a new account.

The formula

Step 1: Start new inane question thread

Step 2: Make a couple comments in said thread

Step 3: Abandon said thread

Step 4: Wait about a week

Step 5: Repeat step 1

[Rawmeo]

I don't agree on that value gap difference. I actually experience quite the opposite. I'll give you an example of value difference.

Two months ago, I picked up a 7-eleven cashier's Line ID. She had no idea of my value, since I walked to 7-eleven and I was dressed in an ordinary manner. Our first date was in a busy place of town so I showed up by skytrain, no brand name clothes, and things went smooth. I brought her to my place after, and we fucked.
The following week, since she gave me an incredibly awesome bang with good BJ and zero LMR, I decide to reward her. I pick up in Porsche and we drive to a cool rooftop restaurant in Bangkok. Very different from the first date. Good bang after too.
After this, she kept teasing me about "you must have many girls" and "you don't love me for real, you just want to have fun", and she did so until I told her, straight out:

"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time. I do not want any tests like that, and you know I can easily replace you. Your call." She took the hint and behaved good for the next 4-5 dates, but she started shittesting again, and once she started showing "strong personality", I had to let her go.

By contrast, girls coming from higher value families never (or rarely) gave me shit tests.

Weird, but women aren't rational creatures.

[DimeBait]

^^ Why would you ever have to tell someone you're in a higher social stratosphere?

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-28-2017 12:44 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

^^ Why would you ever have to tell someone you're in a higher social stratosphere?

I'm just wondering if his virgin wife was making sandwiches when he brought the cashier back home to fuck her.

[bgbusiness]

(06-28-2017 12:35 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time. I do not want any tests like that, and you know I can easily replace you. Your call." She took the hint and behaved good for the next 4-5 dates, but she started shittesting again, and once she started showing "strong personality", I had to let her go.

By contrast, girls coming from higher value families never (or rarely) gave me shit tests.

Weird, but women aren't rational creatures.

That's crazy. LOL. She was probably dumb as a rock.

[chitown72]

(06-28-2017 02:52 AM)Noir Wrote:  

I personally avoid politics and religion

I'll throw in the politics at the very end if she does well with initial questions but not always. Sometimes I just leave out politics.

As for religion, I only talk about it if I'm going with with a girl I met online where religion in specified. I generally find girls that are either agnostic, atheist, or non-practicing to be more willing to go all the way. Not always but it's kinda like the girls that smoke or have tatoos on their backsides...

Recently, I had 2 Jewish girls contact me. I generally thought hardcore Jewish girls only date Jewish guys. So naturally I had to bring this aspect up with them, come to find out they're not really practicing.

(06-28-2017 06:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

It's the average to cute girls that will shit test the most upfront (6-7) because they are weary of getting pumped and dumped by high value men.

I have to agree with this. Thank you for reconfirming what I had suspected.

[jackflag]

There are always shit tests. Women can't help themselves. It doesn't matter who you are.

The difference is, if you fail a shit test with low value, you are nexted. If you fail a shit test with high value, the woman simply decides to categorize you into provider she doesn't respect instead of alpha she's happy to be with. Either way she ain't leaving.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-28-2017 12:35 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

I don't agree on that value gap difference. I actually experience quite the opposite. I'll give you an example of value difference.

Two months ago, I picked up a 7-eleven cashier's Line ID. She had no idea of my value, since I walked to 7-eleven and I was dressed in an ordinary manner. Our first date was in a busy place of town so I showed up by skytrain, no brand name clothes, and things went smooth. I brought her to my place after, and we fucked.
The following week, since she gave me an incredibly awesome bang with good BJ and zero LMR, I decide to reward her. I pick up in Porsche and we drive to a cool rooftop restaurant in Bangkok. Very different from the first date. Good bang after too.
After this, she kept teasing me about "you must have many girls" and "you don't love me for real, you just want to have fun", and she did so until I told her, straight out:

"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time. I do not want any tests like that, and you know I can easily replace you. Your call." She took the hint and behaved good for the next 4-5 dates, but she started shittesting again, and once she started showing "strong personality", I had to let her go.

By contrast, girls coming from higher value families never (or rarely) gave me shit tests.

Weird, but women aren't rational creatures.

Actually those kind of tests came more out of insecurity. She correctly wanted to assess how she would fit in your life long-term. She also lacked the ability to shut up and prove to be the patient good girl.

There are some women who are like that by default. Most however are stuck up on something.

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-28-2017 12:35 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

I don't agree on that value gap difference. I actually experience quite the opposite. I'll give you an example of value difference.

Two months ago, I picked up a 7-eleven cashier's Line ID. She had no idea of my value, since I walked to 7-eleven and I was dressed in an ordinary manner. Our first date was in a busy place of town so I showed up by skytrain, no brand name clothes, and things went smooth. I brought her to my place after, and we fucked.
The following week, since she gave me an incredibly awesome bang with good BJ and zero LMR, I decide to reward her. I pick up in Porsche and we drive to a cool rooftop restaurant in Bangkok. Very different from the first date. Good bang after too.

After this, she kept teasing me about "you must have many girls" and "you don't love me for real, you just want to have fun", and she did so until I told her, straight out:

How is that a shit test?

That's more like she's just being insecure, which would be normal in this situation until you assuage those concerns.

Shit testing is when she starts testing your value vis a vis hers, for example if after giving you head every day she suddenly says "I don't want to give head, my mouth is dry" or "I don't want to have sex, I have a headache," or interrupting you, or telling you you have to spend time with her that weekend when she knew beforehand that you planned on visiting your mom that weekend.

Things like that.

I don't really see what this girl did as shit testing.

[DarkTriad]

(06-28-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^What makes Carey and Alpha?

You can't really confuse the actor with the character he plays. In real life, he's a rich movie star that is in some small percentage of the funniest people on the planet.

[Rawmeo]

(06-28-2017 01:30 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 12:35 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time. I do not want any tests like that, and you know I can easily replace you. Your call." She took the hint and behaved good for the next 4-5 dates, but she started shittesting again, and once she started showing "strong personality", I had to let her go.

By contrast, girls coming from higher value families never (or rarely) gave me shit tests.

Weird, but women aren't rational creatures.

That's crazy. LOL. She was probably dumb as a rock.

She was. I could have spent time plowing through the shit tests, but what I did was the super lazy way of doing things: I'm higher than you are, so don't do shit tests, calm down, and do as I say, or I'll get another girl. kthxbye

It's actually zero-fucks-given game and by experience, it works pretty well. Don't fix something that isn't broken.

[giama]

Why would you say this

""I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time"

If i was in the restaurant and i overheard someone say that. Somebody would be getting chin checked. I can tell by the way you have worded it your money is passed down money, if you were grass roots money you would not speak to somebody like that.

Classism, your not better then nobody, there are working class people that would be very offended by what you said.

[Rawmeo]

(06-29-2017 06:45 AM)giama Wrote:  

Why would you say this

""I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time"I mean you no harm, but you have to realize that my social class is way higher than yours, and you should be grateful that I give you my time"

If i was in the restaurant and i overheard someone say that. Somebody would be getting chin checked. I can tell by the way you have worded it your money is passed down money, if you were grass roots money you would not speak to somebody like that.

Classism, your not better then nobody, there are working class people that would be very offended by what you said.

Don't fix it if it ain't broken. I said this in private via chat, AFTER the shit tests came. I wouldn't say something like that to a buddy. It is what we call a zero-fucks-given answer to deflect the shit test.

I pulled this line twice, and it had the expected effect both times. Before criticizing what other men do, you should show us your techniques and share experience.

By the way, I know it may offend some people - but if you ask yourself "is this going to offend someone" at every thing you say, you won't get things done. I just say what I need to, and if it offends someone, that's too bad. The more time you spend thinking about other people's feelings, the less you have time for real stuff, so you have to choose the perfect balance.

[Kieran]

There's no need to have spelled out that you are of a different class as it's already understood. Personally I'd say you failed that test - I mean she may have stayed around but you've still demonstrated poor social skills and lowered your value. All you have to do with that kind of thing is joke about it with a little agree and amplify, like yeah you've got a million girls, or one for every day of the week and start calling her Wednesday or whatever. Playing around and making people feel good feels better for both her and you.

[Rawmeo]

(06-29-2017 12:05 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

There's no need to have spelled out that you are of a different class as it's already understood. Personally I'd say you failed that test - I mean she may have stayed around but you've still demonstrated poor social skills and lowered your value. All you have to do with that kind of thing is joke about it with a little agree and amplify, like yeah you've got a million girls, or one for every day of the week and start calling her Wednesday or whatever. Playing around and making people feel good feels better for both her and you.

Sure. There are a lot of better ways to handle this than I did - I used the lazy and assholish behavior but I was also having a bad day and didn't feel like playing with shit tests.

I would never attempt that with a girl who's middle class or above - that line is reserved for low class, but I think I'll try to look for more "diplomatic" ways of handling the situation.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

There are two stages of shit tests. The first stage is up front, where she's testing to see if you're high enough value to attract her. The later stage is after you're in a relationship, and she trying to put your balls in her purse.

I think the OP is reasonably correct that some men are so obviously high value that girls don't waste any time with the first category of shit tests, but if a high value guy lets a girl lock him down in an LTR, then she will always try to turn him into a beta. It's just the way girls are wired.

Of course, in practice, the two phases usually run back to back, or even overlap, so it seems like girls just shit test from the start and never stop. The most you can do is pass the shit tests so strongly that she eventually starts doing them less often. They never end completely.

Fortunately, if you learn to pass them well enough, and are fine with dumping a girl for excess shit testing, then it can actually be fun to nuke her hamster, and it's really no skin off your back.

[Kieran]

(06-29-2017 12:52 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 12:05 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

There's no need to have spelled out that you are of a different class as it's already understood. Personally I'd say you failed that test - I mean she may have stayed around but you've still demonstrated poor social skills and lowered your value. All you have to do with that kind of thing is joke about it with a little agree and amplify, like yeah you've got a million girls, or one for every day of the week and start calling her Wednesday or whatever. Playing around and making people feel good feels better for both her and you.

Sure. There are a lot of better ways to handle this than I did - I used the lazy and assholish behavior but I was also having a bad day and didn't feel like playing with shit tests.

I would never attempt that with a girl who's middle class or above - that line is reserved for low class, but I think I'll try to look for more "diplomatic" ways of handling the situation.

We all have bad days where it's harder not to react to bullshit. I'm still working on being more positive and not reacting myself.

[Mjölnir]

What about this

(06-28-2017 12:55 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 12:44 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

^^ Why would you ever have to tell someone you're in a higher social stratosphere?

I'm just wondering if his virgin wife was making sandwiches when he brought the cashier back home to fuck her.