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Finally talked with my boss
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Finally talked with my boss

Quote: (07-28-2017 06:57 AM)Yves555 Wrote:  

Why did he let me to wait so much for a little raise he could have raised by himself? He made me to think like I'm going to get promoted or a much bigger raise,

A whole lot of people gave you some great advice in the past two threads.

"He made me to think like I'm going to get promoted..."

No. That's only your own naivety and stupidity which peopler tried to address earlier.

You got a raise which is regarded as 'unusual' within the company. Accept it and maintain your standard or shop around.
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#52

Finally talked with my boss

Lack of self awareness could also be holding you back.
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#53

Finally talked with my boss

I purposefully stayed out of this thread, but now that the wreckage is burning, j'arrive.

Quote: (07-27-2017 08:16 PM)Yves555 Wrote:  

First, he asked me ofcourse, for my resume whice is 2 years of administrative jobs in a much bigger hotel.

You have two years of experience in this industry and seven months at this company.

You understand that your career will be a progression over a period of more than forty years, yes?

You are, literally, brand new to management.

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I talked with him about how much I like my company, and I gave him a list with all my achievements that are not belong to my job description, Alot of hotel system management bugs that I personally fixed and saved alot of problems with the guests refunds, complaints, and eventually cancellations, hotel guest statsified record - the highest score in the last 7 years, websites fixes,updates and improvements that I took charge of, and that was lead by me, new market strategies, a second record - best rank the hotel has ever been in tripadvisior and booking, most of the reviews there were written about me and beacuase of me, dozens of thanks letters, new sales techniques, collaborations, effective inventions, and etc.

These all sound good. However, did all of these new strategies, techniques, and interventions lead to increased profits? It's great that you're being proactive, but you need to understand the nature of business. It's not all about quality. It's about turning a profit. I doubt you have any evidence of this after only a few months.

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After the job promotion discussion we changed the subject to salary raise, (I get paid per hour) not per month, and then he asked me how much I want to get paid, I said X number whice is about 10% more than what I was earning before, then he asked me whats my average monthly salary, (Why does it matter? I'm getting paid per hour, and each hour I provide more value to the company) he looked in the computer on my salary slip, and then he said... Oh you got also alot of extra overtime hours, like it's some consideration of deciding what salary I should get.

Why did he even bothered about my overtime hours? Those are still hours I was working for, It's not like they gave me them for free. Anyway he gave me a raise of 5% and thats it. He said also that this salary raise is unusual becuase usually they only give a raise after 1 year of seniority.

For hourly workers, overtime is an opportunity to make more money. This is generally considered a perk, and bad workers are often punished by cutting their hours so that they can't make a living and will quit.

You also need to understand that every time you take up resources with your personal demands, you are costing the company not just your own time, but everyone else's time, as well, and reducing your net value. The big boss of HR is an expensive person and they've done you a huge favor by meeting with you outside of the usual review schedule at all.

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Why did they take the seniority so seriously? I can give a million of examples of workers with 10 and 20 years of seniority, but they dont push it hard enough, they dont improve or change anything, and they dont provide any extra value or even much value for their companies. And then I can give you an example of me, whice is pretty new in the company (8 months) But I did my job perfectly, and I did ALOT of extra things beyond my job description, I ADDED alot of value to the company and that what is matter - people should be paid by the value the provide not the time they work in the company.

A one year salary review is perfectly typical. While some companies will do a six-month review for new hires, if they don't, they don't.

The other thing that you must understand is that much of what you describe (handling problems, having good social skills, resolving conflicts, making customers happy) is literally just "doing your job". Maybe you really are doing your job better than some of your peers, but it is possible that it is not you who is underpaid, but they who are overpaid, and that when times get rough, they will be laid off and you will keep your job.

Even great armies have to draft unqualified soldiers during wartime because they need warm bodies to fill the uniforms and carry the rifles. Simply being good at your current job does not mean you will get promoted, no more than being a competent soldier means you will become a general. It just means you're not an incompetent soldier and probably won't get everyone killed. Good for you.

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I should add that I'm also pretty young and I guess he took it also in consideration, my relative young age versus the other managers, and my short time of seniority in the company. Maybe professionally I'm quallified enough to get promoted, but from politic stance the other manager may get jealous and start to rebel against the decision to promote me.

Your resume consists of two years of experience at entry-level administrative jobs. What qualifications can you possibly have that make you too good for your current position as the evening manager? Some people will be in those entry-level administrative jobs until they die.

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I can understand the promotion issue, but why the salary raise was that low?

5% is not exactly "low", and you should be glad that they gave you anything. You were pushy and asked for immediate action on a raise/promotion after seven months, outside of the normal review schedule, and they were polite enough to talk to you and give you a substantial pay increase despite your unrealistic expectations and seeming immaturity. It's in your best interest to show gratitude that they went out of your way to give you some special recognition. Your expectation that you will see big advances every year or so is a delusional fantasy.

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By the way, when I asked my area general manager for the salary raise a month and an half ago, why he didnt gave me the 5% raise? What he told me to wait one month and an half for the BIG head HR company manager? I think its very disrespectful act from him, after the meeting with the HR , I asked why did he let me to wait so much time for this little raise, and he said that he dont have any authority to raise my paycheck. That's bullshit, hes not even a general manager of the hotel, but an area general manager, I guess he just didn't have anything else to say.

Assuming he did have the authority to do it, he probably wanted to make this difficult so that you learn not to do this again, and wanted someone to let you down easy so that it wouldn't damage the working relationship between the two of you. If you have the social skills that you believe you do, you can see that this was a polite way of letting you make a scene and be heard so that you would realize the answer really is "no" and stop bothering everyone.

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The bottom line is, maybe im working only for a few months for this company, but my value is very high, should i provide less value now? stop all the projects and the activites that doesn't belong to my job description and stop giving each day 110% from my self? maybe only then, they will start to apperciate me and value me correctly, I dont have any motivation now to keep pushing like a crazy man everyday, No way they give normal workers (even if they have a couple of seniority years) a paycheck close to mine. They barely provide ANY value.

I'll say again that I am not convinced of all of this "value". You can work like a crazy man digging a hole, but if nobody wants the hole, it has no value. It is also often the case that people who are not very good at their jobs believe they are very good at their jobs because they do not understand their job and think they are accomplishing great things because they are working very hard at things that are actually easy for other people.

With that said, you have now drawn attention to yourself. You have been given a special raise just for you because you told them all how special you are. Your manager and HR are watching. If you start under-performing now, you will probably be the first to get fired when the time comes.

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I think they dont plan to promote me any time soon, they just want to use me, and underpay me for my work, I think like I should chillout in work and take everything easier, download my gear and do the basic stuff ONLY, becuase they didn't VALUED my grind correctly.

Quote: (07-28-2017 06:57 AM)Yves555 Wrote:  

You mentioned that after the company recruits you they basically wouldn't hurry you increase the salary, that's why I thought about drop significantly my performance, my extra input and efforts, and all of other aspects I have mentioned. I would only fill my daily job tasks on a minimum level. They should understand that more value means more money.

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I can understand that they didn't promote me, but I deserve a much bigger salary raise, and that's why I should lower my performance, they must to appreciate me and value me as I deserve.

The arrogance of this is absolutely unbelievable. What they will understand is that you're an entitled little shit who is already causing trouble less than a year in and that they can hire two people who don't make trouble for what it would cost to make you happy.

Nobody cares about your grind. Nobody is using you. You are getting paid what you agreed to get paid to show up and do your best. You will certainly never advance unless you maintain your high performance. If you don't like it, you should work somewhere else that "values your grind" correctly. If you can't find one, it's because your grind simply is not worth what you thought it was worth.

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is stop causing drama and start asking your boss - not your boss's boss or HR, but your boss - on a monthly basis what you can do to help him. Stop making it about you. Stop stirring the pot. You have been given a raise and now need to prove yourself until at least your two year review, but very likely three, before you bring this up again. Long enough for them to forget that they already gave you special treatment.

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Finally talked with my boss

You got very good advice above.

Read it.

Twice.

Daily.

Until it sinks in.

And every time you want to go talk to management again.

You see yourself as a special somebody. That may be true...but to the company, you're a cog who needs to do what he's getting paid to do, and provide the best ratio of pay vs. his job description's responsibilities (not potential value add) that he provides. Talking about your wants and needs is a cost on their productivity as Jetset mentioned above.

Realize that not all work has value. Exceeding the top of the standards for certain tasks SUBTRACTS value in the eyes of the company (less time for their worker drone, aka you, to do other things).

You need to show gratitude to your bosses. Ask them for advice on progression. Stop spending unnecessary time on tasks that do not add value to the company. Instead, every time you have free time, ask your managers for things you can do to help them. In particular, ask if you can tackle any projects beyond the day to day.

And when you talk to them next, your first words should be "thank you for your advice on X you gave me last time. I did A, B, C to pursue that advice, it helped me accomplish M, N, O, and the company benefited with S, T, U, V." Then have the rest of the conversation. (see my prior post)

This has a format you can follow. This ensures you look serious in their eyes and DELIVER.

Don't raise your voice about another raise until at least formal reviews at year end. Your manager took a bet on you by giving you a raise. You need to demonstrate that your value add is going to keep increasing.

In fact, before you ask for more money, at least two people you report to should tell you "wow, you've been doing great work."

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