[Quintus Curtius]

Something of interest here.

The statistics are in, and they clearly point to a big push by US colleges and universities to go after the big bucks: international students.

The details can be found here:


Efforts to bring international students to U.S. campuses and send American students overseas has accelerated in the past five years, according to an American Council on Education (ACE) survey of U.S. colleges.

International engagement was “high” or “very high,” ACE said of the more than 70 percent of 1,100 American colleges and universities it polled in 2016.

Schools have stepped up efforts to “internationalize” campuses in the face of globalization, the report said, but “efforts are still focused first and foremost on the external,” meaning more international students come in than domestic students go out.

The U.S. hosted more than 1 million international students in the 2015-2016 school year, with more than 328,000 coming from China followed by 165,000 India.

The next largest groups came from Saudi Arabia (61,000 or 5.9 percent) and South Korea (61,000 or 5.8 percent). The rest come in relatively small percentages from Canada (2.6), Vietnam (2.1), Taiwan (2.0), Brazil (1.9), Japan (1.8), Mexico (1.6), Iran (1.2), UK (1.1), Turkey (1.0), Nigeria (1.0), Germany (1.0), Kuwait (0.9), Nepal (0.9), France (0.8), Indonesia (0.8), Venezuela (0.8), Hong Kong (0.8), Malaysia (0.8), Colombia (0.7), Thailand (0.7) and Spain (0.6).

Conversely, the U.S. sent more than 310,000 students to study abroad, with 63 percent of those spending the summer or eight weeks of less abroad. Thirty-four percent spent a semester and 2.5 percent stayed an entire school year.

More than half of U.S. students study abroad in Europe. Sixteen percent go to Latin America or the Caribbean and 11 percent to Asia.

“Program enrollment was notably skewed toward non-U.S. students,” the report said. “Nearly two-thirds of programs enrolled only students from the partners country, while about one-third enrolled a mix of U.S. and foreign students. Just four percent fo programs included in the survey enrolled only U.S. students.”

As the number of students coming to the U.S. increases, so does the demand for administrators to attend to those foreign students.

“More institutions are implementing policies, procedures, and planning processes to guide internationalization efforts,” in its most recent “Mapping Internationalization on U.S. Campuses” report.

To address this need, schools and colleges will partner more with other institutions, making curriculum more international and training faculty in this arena, the report said.

More and more institutions are creating academic policies and programming to foster on-campus global learning for a larger number of students.

For example, Hofstra University in New York graduated its first class of 10 students who received a simultaneous degree from Dalian University in China. Columbia University in New York and University of California-Berkeley partner with Sciences Po, a well-respected French university.

“The top partner countries were China, France, Turkey, Germany and South Korea,” the report explained.

However, “the level of support that international students receive once they arrive on campus, while trending upward, remains a concern,” the report said.

Because the largest population of international students are non-native English speakers – Chinese -- some educators say these students may self-isolate and not assimilate into American society. Concerns have been raised that international students are seen as revenue generators for U.S. schools because they typically pay full tuition.

International students added $32.8 billion to the U.S. economy in 2015.

ACE received 1,164 responses to nearly 3,000 invitations to participate in the survey. The information was collected between February and December 2016.


What does this mean? To me it points to a pure revenue grab by universities. They are sensing that the US student loan party may be drawing to a close, and they are now targeting the deep pockets: students from China, Saudi Arabia, and other places where students will be willing and able to pay in cash on the barrelhead.

It's yet another example of how our institutions, which are supposed to be serving the interests of the people here, are putting money ahead of their educational mission.

What will the long-term effect of this trend be? It will continue to drive up educational costs. As universities get used to cash up front, they're going to feel the need to increase tuition even more.

Even worse, it will produce a cadre of graduates who have no native roots in this country, and who will simply take their educations and go back home. There is nothing wrong with this per se, but when the percentages of foreign students gets too large, schools begin to feel more and more like airport passenger terminals and less and less like places of shared intellectual and cultural tradition.

[Suits]

(06-14-2017 12:29 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Even worse, it will produce a cadre of graduates who have no native roots in this country, and who will simply take their educations and go back home.

Worse yet, they might stay.

[Samseau]

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What does this mean? To me it points to a pure revenue grab by universities. They are sensing that the US student loan party may be drawing to a close, and they are now targeting the deep pockets: students from China, Saudi Arabia, and other places where students will be willing and able to pay in cash on the barrelhead.

It's yet another example of how our institutions, which are supposed to be serving the interests of the people here, are putting money ahead of their educational mission.

What will the long-term effect of this trend be? It will continue to drive up educational costs. As universities get used to cash up front, they're going to feel the need to increase tuition even more.

An easy fix would be to charge higher taxes to universities with higher foreigner ratios. The rationale is easy: these universities use more services around the city from individuals who may not ever pay taxes (since most of them go back home) and charge higher tuitions since they court the world's rich. They therefore can pay higher taxes. Many state schools that enroll foreigners will think twice before taking too many if the tax increase is severe enough.

[Sooth]

The universities of today do not have education as their primary goal.

International students at my university were paying 5x the fees that I was.

[Quintus Curtius]

(06-14-2017 01:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:

What does this mean? To me it points to a pure revenue grab by universities. They are sensing that the US student loan party may be drawing to a close, and they are now targeting the deep pockets: students from China, Saudi Arabia, and other places where students will be willing and able to pay in cash on the barrelhead.

It's yet another example of how our institutions, which are supposed to be serving the interests of the people here, are putting money ahead of their educational mission.

What will the long-term effect of this trend be? It will continue to drive up educational costs. As universities get used to cash up front, they're going to feel the need to increase tuition even more.

An easy fix would be to charge higher taxes to universities with higher foreigner ratios. The rationale is easy: these universities use more services around the city from individuals who may not ever pay taxes (since most of them go back home) and charge higher tuitions since they court the world's rich. They therefore can pay higher taxes. Many state schools that enroll foreigners will think twice before taking too many if the tax increase is severe enough.

More I think about this, I kind of like this solution.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Yeah, this has become par for the course in Australia.

This was an old facebook post that blew up at the time and led to a domino effect of other testimony popping up out of the woodwork that left serious egg on the face of our diploma-mills.

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#1781

So I am a post grad doing a group assignment with 7 other international students. Unfortunately, even though the groups were randomly assigned, I got into a group where all of them knew each other and were already best friends. So during our first meeting, only one popped up 30 minutes late saying she was representing her 'group'. okay. cool. whatever. as long as we can choose our topic and get this assignment started i had no problems with that. So I suggested some ideas that I had researched the previous night and she said exactly this: "I don’t like it". Okay faaair enough. so I asked her if she had anything in mind and she replied with a no. this continued on for 2 weeks. every meeting was just me and her as she rejected all my ideas but brought up none of her own. I got frustrated and emailed the coordinator asking for help and his reply was "Too bad. it just means YOU are a BAD leader".

Dumbfounded I just started on an idea on my own because we had less than a month left and I had other assignments to do as well. I regularly posted my drafts of our assignment to the facebook page and they all agreed that it was a good idea and that they will contribute. finally I thought we were getting somewhere. Then one boy wrote on fb saying that since their english was terrible if it was okay that they give them their parts to me and i change up their mistakes. I kindly agreed. Over the next week I started getting their emails with the parts that they agreed to do on (they wrote about 50 words in each), i realised ALL of them were copied from wikipedia. The hyperlinks, references, everything was just straight out copied. I told them that this was not acceptable here and that they had to rewrite it in their own words. They apologised and resent their parts, this time without the hyperlinks and references but the same content. So I told them okay lets make a deal, I would do majority of the essay and you guys start on the presentation. They obviously agreed on it. I finished my part and submitted it and it had a similarity rate of 6%.

A few days later I get an msg from the coordinator saying that my essay was copied and it was unacceptable and that he was going to fail us for cheating. I reopened the essay to find that one of them edited half the document with copied information from the net. I messaged them saying wtf? who changed it and why and they replied back saying that it was too shit so it needed some adjustments. At this point I was so mad I contacted my head supervisor, other coordinators for help and they emailed the subject coordinator the whole situation. He agreed that if i rewrite everything he will agree to give us a pass. So that night i rewrote everything (stayed up till 7am and resubmitted. last week i wrote on the facebook wall asking if they required any help with the speech. nobody replied even though it said seen by everyone so i assumed that they were fine. The presentation is tomorrow but they suddenly messaged me today that their english was too crap to do the presentation and that they want me to do it. I told them nope I’m busy and got work and other shit to do and that they had 2 weeks between the 7 of them to make a small presentation. They replied back with nope 'we arent going to do it. you take care of it. good luck.' and they all left the facebook group message. I AM NEVER GOING TO DO A GROUP ASSIGNMENT EVER AGAIN AT THIS UNIVERSITY.

Four days later this popped up in a major news carrier. Thankfully the Australian establishment is still fractured and the universities can't trust the MSM to cover for them and vice-versa. This was written by that old white reporter that got attacked by ANTIFA the other day and belted one of them in the face.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opini...1497423240

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Opinion: Foreign university students with poor English drag down grades of Australian classmates
Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
October 19, 2015 1:00am
Subscriber only

THOUSANDS of Australian students feel cheated by universities seemingly corrupted by the dollars of foreign students.

Bringing this anger to a head is the mad insistence of universities on group assignments.

These are socialistic projects in which groups of students work collectively and share the same mark – which means conscientious ones carry the slackers and strugglers.

Yes, plenty of Australians are slackers but the problem is now much worse because a fifth of our university students are from overseas, and many struggle with poor or sub-standard English.

Result: an Australian student in a group assignment can be dragged down or a foreign student with bad English gets dragged up to a good mark they don’t deserve.

How high is the resentment? One post-graduate student at Melbourne University posted a complaint on the University of Melbourne Confessions website that resonated so strongly that it received 9500 likes and 2500 comments, many from students adding their own horror stories.

The post-grad student, call him “A”, told of being given a group assignment with seven international students, all friends. Only one turned up to meetings to discuss the project with A. She represented the others but presented no ideas.

When A complained to his course co-ordinator he was allegedly told this was a test of his leadership. So A took on most of the work and “just started on an idea on my own”, regularly posting drafts of this “group” assignment to their joint Facebook page.

Eventually one of the others wrote back to say the group’s English was terrible and could A rewrite and correct their own contributions. “They wrote about 50 words in each,” A noted, and “ALL of them were copied from Wikipedia”.

So A made a deal. He’d write most of the assignment, and the international students could just do the formal presentation to the co-ordinator. But with just one day to deadline, the others messaged him that “their English was too crap to do the presentation and that they want me to do it”.

Now, here’s the big picture. Fee-paying foreign students are a $12 billion a year gold mine, paying nearly a third of the total income of some universities.

More than 200,000 now study here, a quarter from China. They make up nearly half of RMIT University’s students, for instance, and 40 per cent of the University of Wollongong’s. Of course, many are Asia’s best young brains. Many work harder than Australians and bring great skills. Educating them also builds us a great bridge to our neighbours.

But universities meanwhile struggle to cope with many foreign students with inadequate English, but who wants to fail them and lose the fees? How to find the extra staff?

Enter group assessments. Universities claim these are important exercises to build teamwork and leadership.

As Deakin University puts it: “The successful completion of a group assignment usually means that you have acquired many very important skills, particularly communication, analytical and interpersonal skills. These are highly valued by employers.”

Maybe, but they certainly help universities. Instead of having to mark, say, 100 assignments, an academic now marks just 20.

Even better, students with bad English can get carried along by ones with good English. Fewer fail, then.

Again, I repeat. Australians can be bludgers, too. And students with poor English can still bring other skills to a group assessment, such as scientific nous.

But dozens of university students past and present – few wishing to be identified – tell me they’ve gone through much the same strife as A.

Here are just some.

Reader Al: “When I was completing … an engineering degree I was emailed exactly this at 2:30am to compile into a group project due at 9:30am that day by a mature age Chinese student: “Personnel Issues lack of expert to execute the project and labors get exhausted because every year there are many infrastructures ongoing and require a large number expert and experience labors...” And so on.

Reader JohnO: “Whilst doing my undergrad degree (at Monash), I was quite often the only Anglo… I was appalled at the utter lack of English capability in the students I was working with. In many cases their work was literally cut and pasted from the internet … To make things even worse, Monash began failing entire teams of people if even one member was guilty of plagiarism.”

Reader J: “When I did my Bachelor of Laws, I was put in a group of five for a presentation… One student rarely turned up to class, and the other three had issues speaking English. I ended up having to write a script for each person, which we then delivered to our tutor. One student couldn’t read the script (English wasn’t his first language) …. We got 62 per cent (a pass) for the assessment, which dragged my final mark down to a credit as opposed to a High Distinction.”

Reader Z: “I did an accounting degree with roughly 80 per cent foreign students… I was in a group with two foreign students… Their parts consisted of paragraphs of terrible English that you would expect from a primary school student, plus very well written sections that were clearly copied from reference material. As all group members were given the same mark, I was up all night editing the assignment, improving the English and rewriting the plagiarised sections. The foreign students got a high mark due to all my hard work.”

Reader Stuart: “I lectured at (university name withheld) in the business school from 2006 until 2012… I had to basically mark as softly as I possibly could to allow these students through… Group assignments are a huge curse. The idea is there will be someone in the team who will keep things in line to make sure there is no plagiarism. But it severely disadvantages good students.”

Yes, these are just anecdotes, untested, but there are dozens of them, and the pressure on universities to just shovel through foreign students is real.

Dr Robert Waldersee, of the Independent Commission Against Corruption, confirms that academics reported feeling “pressure … to pass students that they believe should not have passed”.

“In one case,” he told the ABC, “an academic described where he had failed 50 per cent of the class and under pressure had to reconsider, and ended up only failing 20 per cent.”

So how badly has the money from foreign students corrupted our own standards, dragging down our brightest students?

This is why when someone in Australia tells you they have a university degree, the rest of the working class slobs basically reply: "So you fucked around for three years while the rest of us actually had jobs. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo".

You think a university degree is becoming meaningless in America? You guys haven't even seen the bottom of the barrel yet.

[Nonpareil]

I'm reading 'universities losing money and people getting pissed they dropped 120k on a Gender Studies degree beginning to wise up, but they can triple-bill foreign students so they still have the money to pay their faculty to continue to teach these worthless Gender Studies degrees.'

...and later down '66% of snowflakes can't handle the realness of life outside of America, crawl back home after less than a semester.'

A pay for play higher education system + newly rich but still just a generation removed from the farm Asians with too much money and not enough morals, brains and character = a match made in heaven.

[Paracelsus]

Leonard, I'd say even Bolty has drunk the Kool-Aid:

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Of course, many are Asia’s best young brains. Many work harder than Australians and bring great skills. Educating them also builds us a great bridge to our neighbours.

This is a load of bullshit. Asia's, that is to say, China's best young brains qualify to study in the UK or the USA's best universities, or in hothouses in fucking Singapore, Hong Kong, or similar, where they mix with the same race and benefit from the same societal nepotism and connections that Jonathan Fossington-Smyth-Blaxland gets when he goes like his father did to St. Andrews and then on to Monash. The second stringers come here.

The FOB social retards we get here cite three main reasons for coming here: decent university ranking, lenient visa requirements (i.e. they can still work roughly half of a full time job and still study here, taking both a university spot and a job from a young Australian), and the quality and cost of living being a shitload lower because we give them pig iron and they give us back Ponzi'd renmibi. As has been noted on this forum, the Chinese are some of the tightest, most ruthless people in the world, enough to give a fucking Scot a run for his money. They come here because we give them our services and lands and time and qualifications practically for free compared to how they'd have to get it in ROC.

The suggestion they work harder than Australians is also a load of shit, disproven by half the examples Bolty puts forward in his fucking article. Given sufficient university places, Australian students work just as fucking hard as Asians if they're motivated. Chinese memorise shit, it's true, but half the reason they seem to "work hard" is because they have to read every word three times due to not understanding fucking written English and trying to get by on math. Often the social retard spends 16 hours doing what takes a normal person 8, that's not fucking dedication, that's because you were punted over here by your steelmaking Daddy because you were a disgrace to the family and might possibly learn something useful among the gwai lo. Given a university won't fail an overseas student because he's a cash cow, why the fuck would anyone think they're working harder than an Australian would?

Educating them builds a great bridge to our neighbours? Here, Bolty, I'd like to sell you that bridge. Australia is not seen as anything but a mining pit to the Chinese: whether it's iron, money laundering opportunities (i.e. buying up property), or knowledge. Come the next war the fucking missiles with red stars on them will still be flying towards Pine Gap, Jindalee, and whatever US carrier is docked at that moment.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

The real travesty here is Chinese, Saudi and other students getting subpar education despite paying millions. You really have to be a grade-A low-information cuck to pay to send your child for a dumbing down & indoctrination course at Harvard, Berkeley, Yale, etc.

[Paracelsus]

(06-14-2017 03:34 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

The real travesty here is Chinese, Saudi and other students getting subpar education despite paying millions. You really have to be a grade-A low-information cuck to pay to send your child for a dumbing down & indoctrination course at Harvard, Berkeley, Yale, etc.

On the other hand, it's a potent strategic advantage which might keep the US ahead in military terms for at least a few more years

[Conscious Pirate]

(06-14-2017 03:35 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 03:34 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

The real travesty here is Chinese, Saudi and other students getting subpar education despite paying millions. You really have to be a grade-A low-information cuck to pay to send your child for a dumbing down & indoctrination course at Harvard, Berkeley, Yale, etc.

On the other hand, it's a potent strategic advantage which might keep the US ahead in military terms for at least a few more years

And me in asian uni pussy, which our "inclusive" system has done for years in Sydney and is the best pussy in the inner city. Dream Medicine will attest.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Totally agree, when I was in Australia the imported Asian pussy was a lifesaver in a sea of manatees.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Silver lining's, lads.

Of course, you all know my stance on the issue.

All mud races into the ovens!

Seig Hiel! Seig Hiel! Seig Hiel!

[nomadbrah]

It's hilarious that Marx is getting proved right 150 years after the fact.

Globalism in fact means that the lower classes in every country get nothing and the elites in every country get everything. The fish in your streams are sold for sushi to the Japanese, you can't afford them, the house next to you sold to Chinese mobsters, now you're crowded out by the same youngsters, too stupid to pass the Gaokao exam.

[rudebwoy]

This is new??

Have you seen what foreign students pay to attend these universities.

My ex-boss made a fortune selling student visas to foreign kids in the UK.

You think the schools and government are going to stop this gravy train.

[Repo]

One of my buddies makes money renting out homes to Chinese students in the US, and overcharges them like crazy. There is money to be made here.

[kosko]

(06-14-2017 10:11 AM)Repo Wrote:  

One of my buddies makes money renting out homes to Chinese students in the US, and overcharges them like crazy. There is money to be made here.

I know someone who did this as well. He packed 8 Chinese kids into a house and charged each 1k a month for a bed.

Canada it is much worse than in the USA with some schools at nearly 50% foreign students, USA still has top branding that will keep certain schools able to keep this hustle going indefinitely but it has become all a sick and cruel game.

For many Chinese students it is a VISA play or a hustle to then flip the USA credentials for top credentials back in China. You can turn a USA degree into the green light to take over and run a massive firm in China and reap all the rewards from that. The 200K investment that many have to shell it out is peanuts compared to the money they will make back in China.

Higher Education will have to crumble at some point. Nothing worse to me than the elitist and hypocrisy that festers within higher education. Universities will see the biggest disruption with technology. Unless these schools can force Govt to mandate that a University credential is the only one that is of acceptance in the workplace then Higher Edu. is just going to spiral into the toilet at a rapid pace. Online formats like Coursera are currently siding with schools to offer degree programs but once they figure out how to standardize content and provide it from quality instructors they will ditch Higher Edu and just do it themselves. Currently, one can patch together a full MBA online for about 2K or less from a combination of for pay online courses and tracks and freebies. At the end of it all you get a full and robust MBA education that would rival if not beat what you would get from the schools. Of course you don't get the school recognition, networking opportunities etc, but if someone is just focused on acquire the knowledge base and skillets it is sufficient.

Digital Arts/Design is another one. Anybody who pays tuition and what not to go learn digital design is an idiot. You can go to Lynda.com or a bunch of other sites and patch together courses that will teach you programs and the theory associated with design. End of the day nobody is going to give a shit if you learned how to use Adobe at Julliard or in a internet cafe from Lynda.com - Your output will be measured.

[rudebwoy]

^If I want to see Lambos and high end cars, I can go downtown to the local dealership or I can go to the local university.

If those students don't come here with their wealth, they will go somewhere else.

[Quintus Curtius]

(06-14-2017 09:16 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

It's hilarious that Marx is getting proved right 150 years after the fact.

Globalism in fact means that the lower classes in every country get nothing and the elites in every country get everything. The fish in your streams are sold for sushi to the Japanese, you can't afford them, the house next to you sold to Chinese mobsters, now you're crowded out by the same youngsters, too stupid to pass the Gaokao exam.

Been saying this forever. Plutocratic insurgency...it all comes back to this.

[Soma]

(06-14-2017 12:29 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

As the number of students coming to the U.S. increases, so does the demand for administrators to attend to those foreign students.

This quote is key. One of the primary reasons that the cost of higher education has roughly doubled or tripled (depending on measure) in the last few decades is due to rent-seeking administrators, and the government-backed loans that have enabled them. The amount of money at universities being funnelled to administrators versus faculty, research, teaching, etc. is now absurd. With the student loan gravy train potentially disrupted, they need to generate revenue elsewhere, and wealthy Asians (south and east) are an obvious source.

[Easy_C]

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At the end of it all you get a full and robust MBA education that would rival if not beat what you would get from the schools. Of course you don't get the school recognition, networking opportunities etc, but if someone is just focused on acquire the knowledge base and skillets it is sufficient.

If you're getting an MBA for the education, then you're getting an MBA for the wrong reasons.

[BortimusPrime]

(06-14-2017 02:03 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Yeah, this has become par for the course in Australia.

This was an old facebook post that blew up at the time and led to a domino effect of other testimony popping up out of the woodwork that left serious egg on the face of our diploma-mills.

Jesus Christ, I've got this exact same story going on right now in a cloud computing course I'm taking. I'm in a group with two Chineses, a Korean girl, and a girl I think is Persian but she doesn't have a head thingie or dynamite vest.

The Chinese guys are dumb and lazy as shit, and one of them I am utterly incapable of understanding because his English is so poor (like a Chinese version of Latka in Taxi). The two girls at least will work, but they won't take any initiative so I have to tell them exactly what to do at each step.

The written parts of the project that we had to turn earlier were a ton of work for me, since the Chinese guys did the same trick described in the facebook post, they just copy pasted online articles for their part. So not only did I have to fix the grammar of the girls that actually tried to write their own material, but I had to reword the plagiarized stuff.

Now it's coming to crunch time on the project and I'm rapidly realizing that no one in our group aside from me has actually bothered to figure out how to implement anything in the database system we're using. In every meeting they all just passively sit there as if showing up is what counts instead of actually getting work done.

I honestly can't understand why foreigners get hired in this country for any sort of non-menial job. Cheap labor isn't worth the communication difficulty and Oriental (lack of) ethics.

[Transsimian]

(06-14-2017 01:01 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 12:29 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Even worse, it will produce a cadre of graduates who have no native roots in this country, and who will simply take their educations and go back home.

Worse yet, they might stay.

I know someone who is a recruiter.

She really doesn't know what to do with such applicants. She knows their degree doesn't prove much, but she cannot legally discriminate on race.

I guess it is doubly bad for the competent Chinese, as they are unfairly lumped in with their cheating compatriots.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

It is not about money for most universities - this happens all across the world even in Europe where the colleges are state-funded.

This is intellectual globalism and also partly the globalists educating developing countries on the tab of the Western ones.

In the future they want a mobile educated class who are willing to move for jobs from Shanghai to Frankfurt, then 2 years to Argentina, then to Austin. International education is part of the tool of that. There are also hugely funded post-graduate programs.

This is nothing new by the way. The globalists began to fund Chinese engineers in the 1970s and it went all on through the 1980s. Back then it appeared strange because there were no jobs for those men. But those buggers plan and work ahead. Those jobs appeared beginning in the 1990s and there were tens of thousands of educated engineers and managers already in the country who could move China quickly in the right direction.

[Blaster]

(06-14-2017 03:34 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

The real travesty here is Chinese, Saudi and other students getting subpar education despite paying millions. You really have to be a grade-A low-information cuck to pay to send your child for a dumbing down & indoctrination course at Harvard, Berkeley, Yale, etc.

You can bet the Chinese are not enrolling in identity studies programs and sociology.