[Suits]

(06-19-2017 10:13 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I have a really different story compared to what is posted here, but then again mine might just be an outlier.

I got almost a full ride to one of the top 30 liberal arts (ok I know, everyone got a beta past ) in the US, and one of the most beautiful campuses in the South. To study Sociology. I really enjoyed my time in America and did very well in school. I became a writing consultant (means I correct people's grammar and paper), did an Honor program and got a semester study abroad in France. Graduated top 10%

Most of the friends I know who also went to the US at the same time, are now working in the US at middle-class jobs. The girls in particular are very successful, but they are all pretty and very aware of their values in the West. One now worked in Wall-street, has opened her own firm (go figured. She went to MIT due to the help of her boyfriend who was already there) and the other works for Google (she was the most "outgoing" of my class). Another work for Deloitte and marry a plain Jack, got a house, car and everything in between.

The guys all work comfortable consultant desk jobs, though nowhere near as breezy as the girls. None of them seem to have any integration problem.

All these people went to US on full scholarship, only two guys out of the dozens I know go on their own dime, but they are nevertheless very smart, and hang out with whites. Again, I admit that my experience might be outlier.

We all share a common dislike for the "typical" Chinese students who are both weird, cheating and very loud on campus. I remember every Friday there's a shuttle to the mall and there's this horde of rich Chinese girls every fucking time. When they come back they all have like a dozens bags full of brand products.

There are a few Chinese guys who are chilled, but I would not call them cool.

Working as a Writing Consultant it's my nightmare everytime there's a Chinese student coming into office. I dont even know where to start with their papers mostly, there's fault every mm. And most of them try to blame it on their professor ??

I tend to agree the move is a money grab from US colleges, but then why give full rides to people like myself and my friends?

There might be the propaganda theory because most of my friends do subscribe to the SJW programs, although most wouldn't care less either way. And if in the mean time they manage to replace some US workers with highly qualified Viets, why not?

I do agree that this all point towards an internationalization of the working class, so that the elites have a ready, mobile force of workers already in their pay everywhere they go in the world.

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

[BortimusPrime]

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

[Dalaran1991]

(06-19-2017 04:02 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

Cheers mate. Agree it's all relative, depending on whether the Suits asking is troll Suits or "I drive a scooter at 200km/h in Chinese traffic and crash into 3 US-educated 10s Chinese pussies who were blocking red lights to get my autograph" badass Suits

[Suits]

(06-19-2017 05:05 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:02 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

Cheers mate. Agree it's all relative, depending on whether the Suits asking is troll Suits or "I drive a scooter at 200km/h in Chinese traffic and crash into 3 US-educated 10s Chinese pussies who were blocking red lights to get my autograph" badass Suits

Are those the only two options?

[cascadecombo]

(06-19-2017 07:21 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 05:05 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:02 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

Cheers mate. Agree it's all relative, depending on whether the Suits asking is troll Suits or "I drive a scooter at 200km/h in Chinese traffic and crash into 3 US-educated 10s Chinese pussies who were blocking red lights to get my autograph" badass Suits

Are those the only two options?

The real takeaway is that Dalaran wants suits' autograph.

[Transsimian]

(06-19-2017 09:25 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 07:21 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 05:05 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Cheers mate. Agree it's all relative, depending on whether the Suits asking is troll Suits or "I drive a scooter at 200km/h in Chinese traffic and crash into 3 US-educated 10s Chinese pussies who were blocking red lights to get my autograph" badass Suits

Are those the only two options?

The real takeaway is that Dalaran wants suits' autograph.

Dalaran is a redlight-blocking HB10 Chinese girl?

[Kona]

(06-19-2017 04:02 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

This guy graded my papers and straight A plusses is all I got.

Aloha!

[Paracelsus]

(06-19-2017 09:51 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:02 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:50 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Please don't tell me that you were correcting other people's English grammar and term papers.

It's all relative. This guy is Charles Dickens compared to what I've seen.

This guy graded my papers and straight A plusses is all I got.

Aloha!

I read Kona's post as "This guy graded my papers and straight A pussy is all I got."

[Paracelsus]

(06-19-2017 10:13 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I have a really different story compared to what is posted here, but then again mine might just be an outlier.

I got almost a full ride to one of the top 30 liberal arts (ok I know, everyone got a beta past ) in the US, and one of the most beautiful campuses in the South. To study Sociology. I really enjoyed my time in America and did very well in school. I became a writing consultant (means I correct people's grammar and paper), did an Honor program and got a semester study abroad in France. Graduated top 10%

Shouldn't hvae told us that, mate, we now know how to give you appropriately horrible nervous tics daily whnever you log ontto teh forum. It tells us wat you're made of.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-18-2017 12:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:53 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

The Western world benefitted from automation too. Washing machines, gas/electric stoves and other conveniences that turned what used to be a full-time job for a housewife into just a few hours of work a week.

Do people now work less than they used to?

Surely they did. The French work 35 hours a week. Europeans typically work less than Americans and Japanese do.

Automation in 20 years will be dramatically different from what it is today. Even Japanese will start working less, I believe.

Europeans work less because of cultural differences, not because of automation. And it isn't like the French 35 hour work week has been some raging socioeconomic success either.

Actually all Westerners work less.

There is a huge non-working class now in the West that is perpetually unemployed - the real numbers in the US are also way over 10%.

It was not only automation that did it, but also offshoring of jobs to countries like China.

The rate of real unemployment / labor participation is continually dropping:



From a historical perspective you may be taunted to say that it is still higher than in the 1940s or 50s, but that was back in the day when many women did not work. The labor participation rate shifted towards women in the 70s and 80s. Also the rate does not tell you anything since a well-paid manufacturing job lost is replaced with a burger flipping one at a fast food joint.

The UN expects the non-working part of the population to grow tremendously in the next decades. That is why they continuously voice the need for a basic income. But that basic income will indeed be bottom-of-the-barrel basic and it will certainly come with demands.

But meanwhile the Chinese rise to power has barely begun. At least 100 mio. Chinese are set to move to Africa and take over that continent for the globalists. The Chinese are also set to replace US military hegemony and boots on the ground will be sent all across the world. This will likely happen after one of the next US banking bail-ins and a massive recession.

[Suits]

(06-20-2017 02:04 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 12:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:53 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

The Western world benefitted from automation too. Washing machines, gas/electric stoves and other conveniences that turned what used to be a full-time job for a housewife into just a few hours of work a week.

Do people now work less than they used to?

Surely they did. The French work 35 hours a week. Europeans typically work less than Americans and Japanese do.

Automation in 20 years will be dramatically different from what it is today. Even Japanese will start working less, I believe.

Europeans work less because of cultural differences, not because of automation. And it isn't like the French 35 hour work week has been some raging socioeconomic success either.

Actually all Westerners work less.

There is a huge non-working class now in the West that is perpetually unemployed - the real numbers in the US are also way over 10%.

It was not only automation that did it, but also offshoring of jobs to countries like China.

This is an impressive case of folks missing the point.

Try telling the lawyer that works 80 hour weeks trying to make partner or the single mom who is only qualified for minimum wage positions and this works a 70 hour work week just to make ends meet that thanks to her washing machine and dishwasher, she's saving a ton of time.

Tell that to all the women who went from doing tasks by hand at home to working a dull office job because we've become a society where most couples need two incomes to have the lifestyle they've come accustomed to expect.

In fact, automation (the simple fact that washing clothes is not an intensive physical task) has created a world where people do not NEED to work as much as they used to and some take advantage of that opportunity, but many work just as much as they would back before many convenient machines were invented.

Japan, the king of automation has people working death inducing work hours, because that's just the culture. Your boss, who has a position of power, will squeeze every last drop of sweat and blood out of his employees just because he can.

There was a brief period of time when automation meant an easy life for most housewives, but then people started to imagine the lifestyle they could have if both husband and wife worked and now people work a ton just to have a basic standard of living.

Automation doesn't change the fact that prices adjust. The best houses will go to the people who will pay a little more than the next best offer and no matter what automation is introduced doesn't change the fact that as technology improves, people are not expected to work less -- they are now expected to work just as much, but accomplish more in the same time.

You could make an argument that automation is causing more unemployment and therefore people are working less, but that would just be missing the point.

[Dalaran1991]

(06-19-2017 11:15 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Shouldn't hvae told us that, mate, we now know how to give you appropriately horrible nervous tics daily whnever you log ontto teh forum. It tells us wat you're made of.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-20-2017 02:29 AM)Suits Wrote:  

You could make an argument that automation is causing more unemployment and therefore people are working less, but that would just be missing the point.

Yeah - different points. Does not matter - off the topic anyway.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(06-19-2017 11:15 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Shouldn't hvae told us that, mate, we now know how to give you appropriately horrible nervous tics daily whnever you log ontto teh forum. It tells us wat you're made of.

Reminds me of this hilarious typo: thread-32937...#pid650126

[Paracelsus]

(06-20-2017 02:41 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:15 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Shouldn't hvae told us that, mate, we now know how to give you appropriately horrible nervous tics daily whnever you log ontto teh forum. It tells us wat you're made of.

...ah well, he didn't catch that I ended the sentence with a preposition, so I'm good.

[Liberty Sea]

To my surprise, Japan has the sharpest decline in working hour of all developed countries. Maybe being the king of automation has something to do with it.

Quote:

http://www.economist.com/node/4424689

The average number of hours worked each year has been falling in most rich countries over the past 15 years. In 2004, the Japanese worked 12% fewer hours than in 1990. Most Europeans have also been working less: 10% fewer hours in France and 6% fewer in Germany. Americans and New Zealanders toiled the most in 2004, while the average Dutch worker put in around 25% fewer hours than his American counterpart.

I don't know why China is not included in the OECD reported data, but according to China, their working time is among the top longest 3:

Quote:

The average Chinese worker works between 2,000-2,200 hours every year in China, Wang Qi, a researcher of the Beijing Normal University, told China Real Time. Such an estimate was based on data from China’s National Bureau of Statistics, industry groups and online questionnaires.

Quote:

But Chinese work hours have been falling for at least three decades, said Li Chang’an, a labour economist at Beijing’s University of International Business and Economics.

“Since the 1980s and 1990s, Chinese workers have been working shorter and shorter hours,” Li said, pointing to improved labour laws, improved productivity and the introduction of two-day weekends.

“We visit many factories every year,” Li added. “In most, working conditions are improving [and] salaries increasing while working hours are decreasing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/o...china-work

[Blaster]

Quote:

To my surprise, Japan has the sharpest decline in working hour of all developed countries. Maybe being the king of automation has something to do with it.

I would guess that Japan's collective work-to-death culture became slightly less insane over the last 20 years.

[xmlenigma]

Been happening for long.. And they do not even pay In-state tuition.. They pay way more and have no FAFSA etc.. Been one

[Suits]

(06-20-2017 03:39 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:15 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Shouldn't hvae told us that, mate, we now know how to give you appropriately horrible nervous tics daily whnever you log ontto teh forum. It tells us wat you're made of.

Reminds me of this hilarious typo: thread-32937...#pid650126

That one was a fairly honest mistake. Trust me, there are have been far more embarrassing fuck ups that make that minor mistake look like good English.

For example, this one may have been the most brutal cases of poor self-editing in forum history.

[Marcus187]

We have the same thing here. They want to diversify our universities by bringing in international students. No problem, but most of them are Chinese or from some shithole country in Eastern Europe. Most of these international students stick to their own ethnicity, so it's not diversifying at all.

They come here to study at our costs, get a degree that has more value than one of their own country and eventually go back to their own country. It's win for them and lose for us.

[Easy_C]

Well, it's a multi-pronged benefit. International students have all the "diversity" and virtue signaling/legal benefits of local EO admits but unlike them you get to take the top crop(each local country's elites) so they pay top dollar, don't hurt average test/GPA scores( good for rankings), and will generally have great placement stats after graduating.

They get to have the best of both worlds (diversity and and money on par with America's predominantly white Urban elites).

[nomadbrah]

Most foreign students in Asia stick to their own too. Chinese do it way more, but Westerners are not immune from this.

[Paracelsus]

One of the interesting side effects we're getting from widespread chrysanthemum-kissing in Australian universities is the influence of the Chinese SJW:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/a...4527387372

Quote:

AUSTRALIAN educators are increasingly coming under attack from Chinese students, raising concerns their government’s influence is permeating our universities.

The students have been openly complaining about Western teaching methods and ideas, and publicly demanding apologies or changes to how subjects are explored.
The trend has raised concerns that the ideology of China’s Communist Party is weaving its way into Australian academic teaching through overseas students.
Chinese students have even released footage online - filmed secretly in classes - of professors teaching classes that contradict Chinese ruling party ideology.
As a result of the critical videos published on Chinese websites and social media, some students received apologies from the academics.

Last week, a Chinese University of Newcastle student posted a YouTube video of him arguing with a professor who referred to Taiwan and Hong Kong as independent countries. “You are making us feel uncomfortable,” the student is heard saying to business professor Nimay Khaliani. “You have to consider all the students.”

Professor Khaliani replies: “Exactly, all the students, not one set of students.”

The video was published on several Chinese websites and provoked a backlash from readers, with Newcastle University eventually contacting China’s consulate-general to resolve the matter.

Days before the Newcastle University incident, a Chinese website reported that students at the University of Sydney were outraged at IT professor Khimji Vaghjiani displaying a map showing three regions contested by China and India as being part of India.

Mr Vaghjiani said in a statement. “Over 18 months ago, I used an out-of-date map, downloaded from the internet ... I was unaware that the map was inaccurate and out-of-date. This was a genuine mistake and I regret any offence this may have caused.”

The communist party-owned newspaper Global Times later wrote: “The China-India border dispute broke out in Australia, and China won!”

There was also controversy when the Cambridge University Press agreed to the censorship of an academic journal for China, removing 300 articles. On August 21, it said it had reinstated them.

And back June, an academic at the University of Sydney said the Chinese consulate had asked the instiution to reconsider holding a forum on the Tiananmen Square protests.

The Lowy Institute’s East Asian director Merriden Varrall told news.com.au there was “certainly an increase” in the “willingness of Chinese students to stand together and push back against what they perceive as injustice” in Australia.
“I don’t think it’s about the Chinese embassy saying do this, act in this way. I don’t think that’s out of the question, but it reflects students’ beliefs.”

These young people have been brought up indoctrinated into certain beliefs that flatter China’s government, according to Dr Varrall, who said she was regularly told by student to change her methods while teaching in Beijing.

She said Chinese students were not taught to engage with critical thinking and interpretation, and often struggled to question ingrained beliefs. “After Tiananmen Square in 1989, China really ramped up the ideology,” said Dr Varrall. “It creates a view of the world all Chinese young people share.”

She said many of these students had strong sense of territoriality and sovereignty and believed their country had been victimised by the outside world for years. Issues such as whether Taiwan should be an independent country — it currently is not — are very “emotional” for them, and “hard for them to have an objective discussion about.”

Despite concern over blossoming Chinese interests in various elements of Australian life, it is dangerous to conflate the issues, Dr Varrall warns. Such conditions leave our society and institutions ripe for racism, with anti-Chinese flyers found at two Melbourne universities last month.

Earlier this month, an Australian National University computer science professor came under fire on Chinese social media after he was photographed lecturing beside a slide that read, in English and Chinese, “I will not tolerate students who cheat.” The professor later wrote a lengthy apology, calling it a “poor decision” and adding that he was “not sensitive to how some people would interpret it.”

In May, an Australian lecturer at Monash University was suspended after Chinese students found a test question that joked that their country’s officials only tell the truth when they are “drunk or careless.”

Dr Varrall believes we “need to do more to understand the complexity of China’s influence” and not let their students — whose fees are now vital to Australian universities — feel isolated or as though the Australian environment is antipathetic to their interests.

“From what I can see, the Australian Government is alert to the situation,” she said. “We need to ensure Chinese students in Australia are really supported.
“A lot of them don’t speak in class because they are afraid their language skills aren’t up to it. Debate is not normal in their country, they don’t have that practice.

“You get students unwilling to participate, befriending others in similar situations and then you don’t get that integration and cross-pollination of ideas.”

Whose money you take owns you. I doubt very much that Chinese lecturers would give much of a shit were they confronted by an Australian student objecting to the use of the term gwai lo in a Beijing lecture theatre (after all, in China there is a merciless grade curve: one student gets an A, everyone else is down from there.)

[Suits]

(09-03-2017 09:05 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

One of the interesting side effects we're getting from widespread chrysanthemum-kissing in Australian universities is the influence of the Chinese SJW:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/a...4527387372

Quote:

AUSTRALIAN educators are increasingly coming under attack from Chinese students, raising concerns their government’s influence is permeating our universities.

The students have been openly complaining about Western teaching methods and ideas, and publicly demanding apologies or changes to how subjects are explored.
The trend has raised concerns that the ideology of China’s Communist Party is weaving its way into Australian academic teaching through overseas students.
Chinese students have even released footage online - filmed secretly in classes - of professors teaching classes that contradict Chinese ruling party ideology.
As a result of the critical videos published on Chinese websites and social media, some students received apologies from the academics.

Last week, a Chinese University of Newcastle student posted a YouTube video of him arguing with a professor who referred to Taiwan and Hong Kong as independent countries. “You are making us feel uncomfortable,” the student is heard saying to business professor Nimay Khaliani. “You have to consider all the students.”

Professor Khaliani replies: “Exactly, all the students, not one set of students.”

The video was published on several Chinese websites and provoked a backlash from readers, with Newcastle University eventually contacting China’s consulate-general to resolve the matter.

Days before the Newcastle University incident, a Chinese website reported that students at the University of Sydney were outraged at IT professor Khimji Vaghjiani displaying a map showing three regions contested by China and India as being part of India.

Mr Vaghjiani said in a statement. “Over 18 months ago, I used an out-of-date map, downloaded from the internet ... I was unaware that the map was inaccurate and out-of-date. This was a genuine mistake and I regret any offence this may have caused.”

The communist party-owned newspaper Global Times later wrote: “The China-India border dispute broke out in Australia, and China won!”

There was also controversy when the Cambridge University Press agreed to the censorship of an academic journal for China, removing 300 articles. On August 21, it said it had reinstated them.

And back June, an academic at the University of Sydney said the Chinese consulate had asked the instiution to reconsider holding a forum on the Tiananmen Square protests.

The Lowy Institute’s East Asian director Merriden Varrall told news.com.au there was “certainly an increase” in the “willingness of Chinese students to stand together and push back against what they perceive as injustice” in Australia.
“I don’t think it’s about the Chinese embassy saying do this, act in this way. I don’t think that’s out of the question, but it reflects students’ beliefs.”

These young people have been brought up indoctrinated into certain beliefs that flatter China’s government, according to Dr Varrall, who said she was regularly told by student to change her methods while teaching in Beijing.

She said Chinese students were not taught to engage with critical thinking and interpretation, and often struggled to question ingrained beliefs. “After Tiananmen Square in 1989, China really ramped up the ideology,” said Dr Varrall. “It creates a view of the world all Chinese young people share.”

She said many of these students had strong sense of territoriality and sovereignty and believed their country had been victimised by the outside world for years. Issues such as whether Taiwan should be an independent country — it currently is not — are very “emotional” for them, and “hard for them to have an objective discussion about.”

Despite concern over blossoming Chinese interests in various elements of Australian life, it is dangerous to conflate the issues, Dr Varrall warns. Such conditions leave our society and institutions ripe for racism, with anti-Chinese flyers found at two Melbourne universities last month.

Earlier this month, an Australian National University computer science professor came under fire on Chinese social media after he was photographed lecturing beside a slide that read, in English and Chinese, “I will not tolerate students who cheat.” The professor later wrote a lengthy apology, calling it a “poor decision” and adding that he was “not sensitive to how some people would interpret it.”

In May, an Australian lecturer at Monash University was suspended after Chinese students found a test question that joked that their country’s officials only tell the truth when they are “drunk or careless.”

Dr Varrall believes we “need to do more to understand the complexity of China’s influence” and not let their students — whose fees are now vital to Australian universities — feel isolated or as though the Australian environment is antipathetic to their interests.

“From what I can see, the Australian Government is alert to the situation,” she said. “We need to ensure Chinese students in Australia are really supported.
“A lot of them don’t speak in class because they are afraid their language skills aren’t up to it. Debate is not normal in their country, they don’t have that practice.

“You get students unwilling to participate, befriending others in similar situations and then you don’t get that integration and cross-pollination of ideas.”

Whose money you take owns you. I doubt very much that Chinese lecturers would give much of a shit were they confronted by an Australian student objecting to the use of the term gwai lo in a Beijing lecture theatre (after all, in China there is a merciless grade curve: one student gets an A, everyone else is down from there.)

They are just proving how stupid we are. They are holding us to our own standards and they themselves are only being held to their own standards...which are pretty fucking low.

The Chinese have no ethics and there isn't a rationalization they won't stoop to in order to avoid admission of guilt.

We won't win this culture war by allowing them to make the rules.

[Fortis]

^ I've been saying forever that you cannot play fair with the Chinese. They will use your rules against you and call the police on you, but will then break the law when no one is looking and get butthurt when you call them on it.

Classic Chinese obfuscation and misdirection. The real question shouldn't be whether Taiwan is its own country.

The question should be why China is so salty about the entire thing?

Ah well, The west has created this problem in many ways. They cater to the Chinese students and the Chinese students demand that they get preferential treatment.

What'll eventually happen is that so much Chinese money flows into the West that they degrade our educational standards further, then they realize they've fucked up and have nowhere they can send their kids abroad to get a real education.