[Bucephalus]

(05-19-2019 06:49 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  

I have a buddy from Sydney that is absolutely melting down on fakebook about the election.

To quoth “WTF AUSTRALIA. WHAT THE FUCK” and then a series of exclamation and question marks.

Seems unhappy.

I don’t know anything about Australian politics, but didn’t the good guys win this one?

1. Could be that he's unhappy with the liberal party (a "right" party that is more and more centre left every year) not being conservative enough – see DavidGarrett84's excellent post above.

Or, more probably:

2. He's gay

[glugger]

(05-19-2019 06:19 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Haven't seen the entire results yet but Labor even did poorly in Melbourne and Victoria as a whole, I believe. I used to be in Shorten's electorate, he's the most unlikeable politician I've come across, and that's quite a remarkable feat. Here in Melbourne, I heard a lot of "everyone I knew votes Labor/Green, why?????" cries, but it turned out that lots of people I know actually voted Libs or minor conservative parties, but kept quiet for fear of getting hounded by the commie nutters. Many of them were lifelong Labor voters, some don't even look the type who would vote conservative (fags, artsie fartsie types...)

(05-19-2019 12:07 PM)glugger Wrote:  

Antony Green of the ABC stated that it's more likely that polls have become more unreliable as fewer people use landlines, where the majority of polls get their data. He also said that in the past, polls have been very reliable in Australian voting. I've followed his analysis of the last few elections and he's been pretty spot on most of the time.

Also it's kind of ridiculous to say that Murdoch-run Aussie media, which singlehandedly got Tony Abbott elected, is biased against the Liberal party.

You trust the ABC?

Murdoch doesn't run the entire Aussie media, or do you not count Fairfax, SBS and ABC? Our media is way more to the left than even remotely right.

I trust Antony Green.

While Aussie media is definitely left, they're not necessarily anti-Liberal, as the ridiculous coverage of the Tony Abbott election showed.

[king bast]

They were pro-abbott until he got elected, then they turned on him with a vengeance just a few weeks into his term.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm starting to think it's part of the elite system of control. They know that back-to-back-to-back Left wing government forever would require vote-rigging so extreme the normies would catch on so they run an even keel on administrations but heckle the Right wing parties (centrist really) into impotence during their terms and let the Left wing parties run wild during theirs.

You'll note that all authoritarian police state shit the LNP puts into place is ushered in with nary a peep from the media, but a repeal of anti-free speech laws draws deafening condemnation from virtually every corner.

I really hope people are waking up to this shit.

[Paracelsus]

(05-18-2019 05:05 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Can someone explain Queensland politics.

Seems Labor would have won but for Queensland. Is it the regional % of population distribution. What’s their views on franking credits, housing and climate change etc

I used to live in Melbourne and I don’t think people even knew who Hanson & Palmer were

Queensland's politics on this one came down to this:

They're not intellectuals and they're not baristas. They're a mostly rural and mining state with a thin veneer on the Gold Coast made up of prostitutes servicing the rich wankers who come up from Sydney and Melbourne after school finishes. They have been bleeding for a long time now because they're basically West Australians who are stuck with being too close to the New South Wales and Victorian scum.

When faggot Bob Brown, patron saint of the Greens from (sorry Leonard) Tasmania, rolled into town, his main thrust was that the Adani coal mine deal needed to be stopped and shut down. If that had happened a shitload of Queensland jobs would have disappeared. People rightly identified the Greens with Labor, because the State Labor government has been pissing on the project as well under Greens pressure and Greens votes would have flowed directly to Labor.

In addition, Queenslanders more than most other states elect based on personality. In that respect Scott Morrison ran the perfect campaign against Bill, because he relentlessly made it a popularity contest.

Unlike Bill who can't fucking read a speech without it going through three union PR teams first -- Morrison always gave the impression he was on his own. His speeches were on his own, he told John Howard to stay the fuck home and watch the cricket, and he kept his mostly-useless Cabinet colleagues away so they didn't take up any air around him. Bill by contrast would always scream about Liberal disunity any chance he got, which was one hell of an own goal because it kept people remembering the fact Labor's disunity was caused by the man now standing for the office of PM. Bill tried to overcompensate for that by having the usual conga line of suckholes standing around nodding at his words. It left the ground open for Morrison to come across as fighting a one-man battle against a gaggle of union thugs.

I remember pretty vividly the morning before the election, just after Bob Hawke died: they had Bill on for an interview, and then Morrison. Even on the death of someone he said was a mentor, Bill just couldn't summon up an original word or a real emotion to save his life. Every word he said sounded like a boring media statement, he looked like a wooden horse in a cavalry charge. Then Morrison came on after, and bang, he had energy, he batted away any tricky question they threw at him, and for bonus points he stuck one into Bob by mentioning Hazel Hawke, who stuck with Bob all through his career until Hawke left her, Charles-and-Camilla style, for the silly bint who was wearing Bob's fucking bathrobe a day after he was dead. That was the set of interviews that convinced me Morrison was the better campaigner.

Point being, Morrison would have appealed a hell of a lot more than Backstabbing Bill to a bunch of Queenslanders.

[CynicalContrarian]

The lefty vitriol & REEEsterics over this loss is rather hilarious.
Is it wrong to feel glee, at all the REEEE! ?

[StrikeBack]

Billary Shorten is so unlikeable that even sacrificing Bob Hawke didn't earn them enough sympathy points to win the un-losable election.

[Que enspastic]

Do you think the Liberals would be in trouble from a new Labor candidate whose only message is “raise wages by cutting immigration” ?

Get attacked by the Greens but obv still cream off their preferences so it doesn’t matter. Voting is compulsory and preferential which means you don’t need to mobilise the inner cities - you just need them not to vote for your rival

Strategy : attack the Liberals for their immigration figures every day for the next 3 years and say it’s the only reason no one gets a pay rise

Spend all your time in Western Sydney, Queensland and Tasmania.

The left wing nationalist thrust seems to me a much more successful strategy than left wing globalism which hasn’t worked anywhere

[CynicalContrarian]

(05-21-2019 04:19 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Do you think the Liberals would be in trouble from a new Labor candidate whose only message is “raise wages by cutting immigration” ?
Get attacked by the Greens but obv still cream off their preferences so it doesn’t matter. Voting is compulsory and preferential which means you don’t need to mobilise the inner cities - you just need them not to vote for your rival
Strategy : attack the Liberals for their immigration figures every day for the next 3 years and say it’s the only reason no one gets a pay rise
Spend all your time in Western Sydney, Queensland and Tasmania.
The left wing nationalist thrust seems to me a much more successful strategy than left wing globalism which hasn’t worked anywhere

Just as likely, if not more so, that Labor double down on all manner of Soycialism. Climate change nonsense, gender quotas etc.
Plus, as the middle class move away from Labor.
Labor's current modus operandi of attempting to boost their own voter pool with third world migrants / 5th columnists, is not likely to change.

[KnjazMihailo]

LOL.

I only bothered to search for and find the election results today, to realize that Morrison and the Liberals actually won, even though i voted in it. Am i the only one who cares so little about this whole election?

[CynicalContrarian]

(Yesterday 05:12 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  

LOL.

I only bothered to search for and find the election results today, to realize that Morrison and the Liberals actually won, even though i voted in it. Am i the only one who cares so little about this whole election?

Oh didn't you hear?
Now that Scott Morrison has remained PM, it's game over for Australia...
It wasn't game over last month.
Yet it will be game over shortly, for some REEEason...

[KnjazMihailo]

(Yesterday 08:17 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(Yesterday 05:12 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  

LOL.

I only bothered to search for and find the election results today, to realize that Morrison and the Liberals actually won, even though i voted in it. Am i the only one who cares so little about this whole election?

Oh didn't you hear?
Now that Scott Morrison has remained PM, it's game over for Australia...
It wasn't game over last month.
Yet it will be game over shortly, for some REEEason...

Yeah, all the Labor cucks are probably butthurt asf right now lol.

Still, its not like the Liberals and Morrison are too much better, because they're all part of the same controlled opposition dynamic anyway.

With Morrison, we're likely to get more usury and more Australian involvement in wars for a (((certain country))). With Labor, we really would've gotten infinity migration, more LGBTQ/feminism and handouts.

Considering all this, the Liberals/Morisson are slightly less worse for me since I'm personally less likely to be affected by usury and overseas wars, than infinity migration or LGBTQ/feminism. Still, knowing how hard Trump has completely reversed course on everything he promised in 2016, i'm frankly not too hopeful for much of anything in the future as far as Australia is concerned.