[void]

Men and women are not equal. Men have the burden of performance, women have the burden to spread their legs for the "right" guy.

[General Stalin]

OP: men and women are inherently different both in physical biology and mental characteristics. This is why they are not held to the same standards or compared equally in the same categories.

It is far more difficult for men to acquire sex from women than it is for women to acquire sex from men. Men have to "try" to get laid, women merely have to show up. Because of this simple fact alone, the shitty lock/master key analogy is born and holds true.

All of your observations seem to be based around female sexuality and how, at least in our sphere, we shame sluts and laud virgins.

The reason for this is because having a lot of sexual partners has a different effect on men and women. Having experience with more females is generally good for a man. It allows him to temper his emotions with women, be more realistic about his expectations, be more logical and clear-minded with his commitment and affections, and I would say all around make him a better provider and lover for that 'special someone' - for a women it is the opposite. Lots of sexual partners degrades that value she puts into one men and sex in general, makes it more difficult for her to grow attached and stay attached, and makes it harder for her to remain faithful devoted and loyal to that 'special someone'.

As for pumping and dumping virgins - I can't think of anywhere I read on here where men are praising the idea of devirginizing women then tossing them. The sentiment around here is to find a virgin and marry her...

[Jetset]

(06-03-2017 05:08 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

It could have a basis in Biology.

This is what I came in here to say. We make choices, but a significant percentage of the preferences that drive our choices are already selected for by nature. This persists as the so-called "Old Brain", the same thing that makes some animals that have never seen a snake afraid of objects that look like snakes. In women, this forum uses "AWALT" ('that trait is innate') and "NAWALT" ('that's how that particular woman chooses to act on it') to describe the same difference.

You've got a few hundred thousand years of a man getting a spearhead in the eye socket trying to protect a woman, and that woman fucking whoever did it to him in a desperate bid to survive. Then, in 2017, you've got guys on this forum starting threads shocked that women are so desperate to have the approval of other men and unable to figure out how women can move on so quickly when the relationship fails. Nothing new is happening, we're just navigating the modern world with brains that developed in a completely different one.

So, to the OP's question, why these preferences matter in "today's age". Who cares? Preferences from another age are still real, and they're still powerful. Our Old Brain can make us experience primal fears and joys that our New Brain can't, and our New Brain is very good at rationalizing doing what our Old Brain tells us, even when it is unfair, hypocritical, or destructive.

(Consider the married FBI agent with a top-secret clearance who fell for a bloodthirsty ISIS rapper she was investigating and flew to Syria to marry him, then was filled with regret once she'd been filled with exotic terrorist cock and got it out of her system. Her Old Brain wasn't just scamming her New Brain, it curb-stomped her New Brain and stuffed it in a dumpster.)

The Old Brains of men and women tell them about different things. Being angry and blaming women for this is a separate problem, as Noir says above, abundance vs. scarcity, a New Brain issue that we are responsible for understanding and repairing. However, the idea that men and women will have the same preferences, as if you're going to hear men sitting around the bar agreeing that they all want a big, strong women to make them feel safe at night? That's like the punchline to a joke. The OP says he hears women complain about this, but a woman who had even an ounce of self-awareness would turn this question around and ask herself whether or not her preferences aren't just as questionable.

[Kieran]

Interesting discussion and I can appreciate both arguments. Personally I don't care if I'm hypocritical or not - I just want what I want and put my own needs first and go after it.

One thing I will say is that there is a lot of talk about a lack of quality women in the west around the internet (true), but if you take an honest look at the men around you (I mean outside of the forum), they are pretty poor quality too.

[Steelex]

Because they are better at it.

[lonewolf1992]

My anti-feminist radar is getting strong feminist signals here.

[Captain Gh]

OP: You're somehow letting a women that you've had a Good Nut with talk in your ear! It's cool to ask & understand their worldview ... but do not be fooled! Women can afford to only receive and not give! As a man you have to offer value, be it for better pay, more dates, better deals... etc

It's this endless value offering that improves the quality of your life... which is what reels these women in! Women can just stay there Pylons and live a decent life... until they self destroy or their looks fade. Don't ever let a woman peep game in your ear... because then she'll have you her back pocket without you even knowing it!

[All or Nothing]

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl isn't a virgin / I've banged 8 girls this month

- This girl won't give me head / I hate giving head

- Girl bangs on first date, not ltr material / First date bang guide

What makes guys have a higher moral judgement on girls for the things they actively seek?

The giving head one is something I'll probably always be a hypocrite about.

For the other two, I see those as sort of unreasonable standards guys have started making up for themselves. I have noticed some guys have the desire for a virgin who waits till marriage while still trying to slay random sluts.

The virgin thing has become the goto barometer for measuring how loyal a girl will be to you once you are in a relationship. The only problem I have with it is that it is so hard to attain and some of the girls who stay virgins for a long time are just straight up crazy.

My personal view is that a better barometer for how loyal a girl will be is the length of time that the girl talks in. If a girl is always talking about 5-10 years out, she is most likely a long term thinker and will be loyal to you if you end up in a relationship with her. If she only talks about the immediate and focuses on immediate gratification, chances are she will cheat on you if she thinks it will bring her immediate pleasure.

[LINUX]

When I used to care about things that women did in the past, it was because of low-self esteem issues -- along with hints of jealousy here and there. I found that they usually appeared only when I had thoughts of marriage or long-term relationships. Why? Probably had something to do with me valuing my freedom more than a relationship, and because of that, if I traded my freedom for some woman, I wanted to feel like it was worth it.

Saying that, I don't care about the past anymore, because I'll never get married again nor will I have children. Has my life gotten better since I stopped caring about a woman's past? Yes, 100%. I find that men have enough demons and shadows fucking around upstairs that the last thing they need going through their minds is another person's baggage and slip-ups.

There is no reason for me to chase perfection when I know and choose my relationships to be transitory. But I can only speak for myself. If someone is looking for a marriage and family, it's a different story and I can't speak for those people.

[Mufasa]

(06-03-2017 10:28 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

All of your observations seem to be based around female sexuality and how, at least in our sphere, we shame sluts and laud virgins.

And really...do we shame sluts? I happen to love them

[nek]

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl isn't a virgin / I've banged 8 girls this month

- This girl won't give me head / I hate giving head

- This girl is a feminist / I'm a mra

- FWB is banging other guys / How do I get a harem?

- Girl bangs on first date, not ltr material / First date bang guide

Etcetera


What makes guys have a higher moral judgement on girls for the things they actively seek?

They don't. However, women, whether they admit it or not, operate with the mindset of inequality. They only want "equality" when it benefits them, and men are supposed to throw them a bone. I'll counter your list with a list:

-Guy is upset about something he's a pussy, sensitive, needs to toughen up/Girl is listened to, cared for, it's a valid concern.

-Guy has standards, he needs to "man" up and overlook them/Girl is encouraged to have mile high standards.

-Guy can't get an erection he needs to see a doctor/Girl isn't aroused guy needs to see a doctor.

-Guy stays home to take care of kids he's a bum that doesn't provide/woman stays at home she's a responsible mother.

-Girl is a virgin, she is valuable/Guy is a virgin, he's a pariah (think 40-year old virgin).

In essence, most people are for equality if people really meant it. Most people only want equality when it benefits them, and they want inequality when it benefits them. It's not about fairness, it's about power. All of these movement are a simple power play. You're making a case for being nonjudgmental towards women, but women and society as a whole are not being nonjudgmental towards men, they may say they are, but watch their actions. They may be speaking a different language.

[General Stalin]

(06-03-2017 12:47 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 10:28 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

All of your observations seem to be based around female sexuality and how, at least in our sphere, we shame sluts and laud virgins.

And really...do we shame sluts? I happen to love them

I love sluts as much as the next deplorable degenerate, but in talking with regards to long-term committed relationship potential this community certainly warns against hitching up with women with extensive sexual history.

[godzilla]

I think some of us in the "8 times a month" camp are advocating that lifestyle in terms of a survival strategy because of the significant decline in marketable women. You have to play the hand that's been dealt to you.

As has been said by many here, if the majority of women werent massive whores, youd likely see more blue pilled attitudes towards them.

As the same time, sluts arent so bad.

[ziggystardust]

Sexual double standards are a fact of life. Deal with it.

[TooFineAPoint]

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl is a feminist / I'm a mra

Wrong forum; no one here (that I know of) is MRA.

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl won't give me head / I hate giving head

We have a multi page thread on the forum about eating ass. Who hates giving head?

Show of hands:
- 20 year old girl cooch
- trimmed/shaved (or not) how you like
- fresh from the shower

Are you anything other than ecstatic to line up at the buffet table?

[Green-On-GO]

Why do women find men who act like women unattractive then?

Do women want men who act in a caring feminine manner and do these guys make the womans vagina tingle.Cause chicks love a guy who hides behind the woman's skirt.

Nice guy shaming is the female version of slut shaming .

Woman will judge you on the tree in the background of one of your facebook pics ffs.

[Jungle]

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl isn't a virgin / I've banged 8 girls this month

Men and women should have different morals on promiscuity because of science and biology.

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl won't give me head / I hate giving head

I'm not familiar with this notion that men don't like nibbling on box. I think (and I think most men would agree) that going down on a delectable box is absolutely wonderful.

But of course, FYI if she's smelly/whore-ish then I'm not going down there.

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- This girl is a feminist / I'm a mra

You do realise a feminist and an MRA are not the same equivalency right? Feminists are religious extremists, MRA are mostly arguing for rights based on science and biology.

(06-03-2017 02:35 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

- FWB is banging other guys / How do I get a harem?

- Girl bangs on first date, not ltr material / First date bang guide

Men and women should have different morals on promiscuity because of science and biology.

Equality is about equal human rights but it is also about celebrating our biological differences. Equality should not be about scientifically-false androgyny or gender neutrality.

[Khan]

(06-03-2017 05:24 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

Sexual double standards are a fact of life. Deal with it.

When you look at it from a different perspective, those aren't double standards at all. Those are two different sets of socially accepted norms for two different groups in the population - men and women.

[Jetset]

(06-04-2017 12:24 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  

Why do women find men who act like women unattractive then?

Exactly.

The specifics of the perceived differences don't really matter, because OP has already gone off-road from his first premise, that men and women are even supposed to want the same things of each other.

The underlying assumption is that humanity is an empty vessel and that we can choose to write new rules over the old ones, that people can be fulfilled by the unfulfilling if only we just believe hard enough.

We're not going to think away the gritty, sweaty, bloody, contradictory parts of human nature. It's every bit as present in the thinking of women as it is in men.

[tough guy22]

Short answer: Because men and women are different and they are not equal.

*Men can have 365 children per year but woman can have only one. Sperm is cheap, egg is expensive. Women need to have emotional connection to enjoy sex; men are not. So if a girl bangs on a first date is not a ltr material.

*Some men like eating pussy; some are not. I i don't like this, why would i do?

*Feminism and Men's Rights Movement are very different.

[questor70]

Women do not need to have an emotional connection to enjoy sex. If that were the case they would not be able to masturbate. What slutty women do when they have a hookup is most closely related to masturbation. It's a pure physical indulgence that they can do via low-effort by virtue of contraception and the erosion of social mores. That they prefer a little peacocking does not constitute a serious emotional connection. You can think of it more like extended foreplay. If they were serious emotional connections these would not be just one night stands.

They aren't even required to fully enjoy sex to perform it, hence their ability to use it as leverage in various ways.

[birthday cat]

The original post had good questions but bad examples. Most of the examples don't make sense. For example, a guy who is trying to bang 8 girls per month isn't looking for virgins.

Quote:

Why do men get mad at women for doing the same things men do?

Most men and women are somewhat selfish and will try to have their cake and eat it too if they think they can get away with it.

Quote:

FWB is banging other guys / How do I get a harem?

This is a little off-topic but it is interesting. There are a few guys in the manosphere or on this forum that talk about banging a lot of girls and think (or expect) most of those girls to be exclusive with them. However, those guys are almost always guys that nobody has ever met in real life.

Quote:

What makes guys have a higher moral judgement on girls for the things they actively seek?

In regards to sex and relationships, men can get tricked into believing someone else's child is their child and they must provide for that child, but women can't get tricked like this. This aspect of our biology drives a lot of our behavior and it will never change regardless of how many SJWs cry about how unfair it is that only women get shamed for being sluts. Women also have an easier time finding mates hence 80% of women throughout history have had children while only 40% of men have. Men and women are different and there are pros and cons for both men and women.

[RedPillUK]

Ok a lot of good answers to the question "why do men get mad at women for doing the same things".

However a better question, is should we get mad? They are victims of this culture just like us. I know we are talking about the oldest parts of our brain, but is it possible to override that caveman brain? I think it might be, just very very hard.

[birthday cat]

^ We shouldn't get mad (i.e. emotional) but we shouldn't do anything stupid like marrying a former carousel rider either. I think it is possible to override the caveman brain to an extent. A lot of experience with women helps and good health habits such as meditation also help.

[Jetset]

(06-04-2017 02:12 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

However a better question, is should we get mad? They are victims of this culture just like us. I know we are talking about the oldest parts of our brain, but is it possible to override that caveman brain? I think it might be, just very very hard.

I'm a victim? I wasn't aware of that.

As for getting mad, of course we can override it. This was addressed by Noir:

(06-03-2017 04:34 AM)Noir Wrote:  

They get mad because they are weak and come from a scarcity mindset. Thus, they apply universal rules to their small supply of women and expectations rise.

Everyone is replacable so there isn't really a reason to get mad. Guys also have their identity rooted in the partner they choose so it's logical they get mad when their partner is non-desirable (too many partners).

If you see a woman as "the one and only" for you and think she is obligated to deliver your happiness to you, you'll get mad at her when you think she's ruining your life by behaving differently. This isn't healthy. You aren't a victim. Forget about what's good for her or fair to her, it's not even healthy for you. Abundance Mindset should remind you that your happiness is your job, not everybody else's, and that if this isn't going to work for you, maybe you just need to find a different woman instead of getting mad at this one.

That's a separate issue from whether or not you should actually condone the behavior. If your Old Brain is nagging you like an overbearing mother every day in a relationship and you're working "very, very hard" to ignore it, you will probably feel depressed, anxious, and unfulfilled. That's no way to live just to silence some slut's cries of hypocrisy.

Sometimes people do have unreasonable expectations and they're the ones who need to change. Other times, though, they're simply seeing genuine red flags. It's not unreasonable to have standards and preferences for what you find acceptable in a partner, and you can bet your ass she does and that pointing out any of her hypocrisies won't change what makes her wet.

Can't help but suspect that you have a specific woman in mind and are trying to convince yourself to ignore all the red flags so that you can take the relationship seriously. (After all, she's just a poor, innocent victim.) Would I be right?