[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

I probably will receive some flak for writing this, especially if the gubment shills are watching these boards like a pubic teenager engorging in free porn.

If anyone else here is in the military, or ex-military, you can weigh in or describe your differences.

I'm in the process of getting out due to some injuries that will stay with me for the rest of my life. I have to say one of my best and defining blue to red pill moments in how I change the way I act in life was realizing not how fucked up the system was, but how useless it is to fight against everything in a plastic world where everything is automated and ready for conversion at the latest congressional edit.

It is impossible to be red pill in the US military, and that's more than a fact, it's just reality. At best you be red pill in your personal life, maybe among friends, but even with the advent of trump, it changed nothing. Women are elevated to commanding officer positions, given preferable treatment over men, the pussy pass is in overdrive, their word is taken as law without any immutable defense, and they will end a career of a man without even so much as batting an eyelash.

I can talk about this shit for hours, but I'll be succinct. I want to talk to some people about it because where I am I cannot freely express my opinions, whatever color pill they be.

The gays are also elevated to hero status, and I've even seen some trannies in uniform at my base, beyond words for that really. Any dissent is quickly squashed and no one is allowed to even voice their dislike of foreign policy under punishment of the threat of imprisonment. It just baffles me that the guys carrying out the operations, especially with the upcoming ploy in Syria, can't see how they're being played, it is so fucking obvious. I almost filed for conscientious objector status, and would have, had it not been for my injuries.

The last time the US armed forces actually did something in action to honor their homeland and country was pre civil-war. It's evident that I'm severely disillusioned from all this, but how can someone who is awake not be?

I wish I could love the military but I can't. It is good for 18 year old kids with no direction and nothing better to do in their lives and that's it, if it wasn't bad enough to put their lives on the line to send them to topple governments that oppose the world banking clans.

Every time I have tried to talk with a friend in the past couple years about red pill thoughts most if not all of them have given me the typical almost scripted responses someone gives who is brainwashed or at least dead to reason, unaware of anything outside the MSM or circle jerk news.

My point in all this rambling is, that under the current system the whole of the US military is not salvageable. Even the elite units of special forces are all susceptible to political correctness and are not able to yield it's deathly advance. Their bloodlust and desire to kill leaves them without a care who they bomb or shoot as long as the adrenaline keeps coming. Lost some friends over disagreements about such, gained some others through this kind of infamy but its not the kind of limelight you want to be in.

When the collapse does happen, don't expect the US military to be able to do anything but look after their own and their cushy zionist leaders. The lucky ones are the politically connected colonels and generals who have sold out long ago. The manosphere has to keep spreading out and reaching young minds, because the more these old globalist bastard cronies die off and the more the young minds resist the bullshit, the better off the world will be.

If you're outside the US, I'm willing to bet that other military in first world countries are not much different, the only thing you can rely on are your family and close friends, so form your tribe and keep growing it. Any thoughts? Any similar experiences?

[cascadecombo]

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The last time the US armed forces actually did something in action to honor their homeland and country was pre civil-war.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

U.S. Economic warfare provoked the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. FDR was not surprised. So in a way, it was a "back at you" kind of thing. Then it just evolved into a greater pissing contest. Once again the US men used for nefarious purposes other than defense of their homeland. I had an uncle who was in vietnam, we discussed all this and he knows it was all bullshit. Everything's bullshit when you look at it long enough.

[H1N1]

As the forum's resident pacifist lol, my time in a specialist combat arm of the British Army (Reserve) was relatively underwhelming. I didn't experience too much 'slave compliance', other than in basic training, where it's inevitable. That said, the nature of the unit I joined and selection criteria meant that informality was encouraged. The big problem with the army as I experienced it is that it is often shambolic, discouraging to high calibre applicants, and during peacetime people have a tendency to let their personal standards relax a good deal. Personally I was pleased to get out inside 2 years of joining. The tedium was overwhelming.

These problems are not that surprising in themselves - it is hard to be in a constant state of 'being on', and to always be in peak condition. Hence why the army tends to have premobilisation training intensification periods where the phys and discipline is ramped up. The political correctness is tedious, and does indeed affect almost everyone during peacetime, from SF, through the snipers and infantry, right through to the REMFs. I am convinced that in a time of real war, not these small scale conflicts we've been having, a lot of this nonsense would be swept aside over night.

[Natorder809]

I remember when I was waking up to the red-pill just after getting out of the military. As masculine as fighting and killing the enemy is I realized what a potential hot bed the military microculture was for social justice warriorism. The most notable indication is that both groups cuss like nobody’s business although the SWJs aren’t as good at it. Any kind of red-pill was virtually absent as only a few guys in the upper leadership knew about this stuff. Lots of purple pill though. Blue pill predominated among the lower ranks and a few higher-ups but typically inactive while I was in. it wasn’t until my last few months that they started implementing blue pill policy at work, including “hazing.” However, the bluest I think it got when I was in was the family life. It is as if they got the Blue pill marriage down to a T, wrote a manual on how to practice it, and encultured (but probably forced many others before I was in) everybody into that mindset. Its amazing how one can take the most masculine type of lifestyle, being a great killer of your enemies at the same time being a red-pill patriarch of the family like our warrior ancestors. Unless you are some blue-pill guy, it is not a god idea to get married in the active duty military and I would personally rather die (now) then come home after a rough deployment to that.

With the Trump election, you would think that the leadership would take it upon themselves to implement the red-pill from basic stuff like bringing back combat humps in MOS schools or making boots/joes do stupid tasks when they do something wrong in the field. The idea is that the harder the training is to the boot (mental and physical up to a certain point) the better off he will be in combat and after.

With all this being said I would not suggest that one does not reject direct military involvement. Everybody likes tribes and the infantry is as tribal as it gets so far as fighting is concerned. The problem is, other than defending your buddies and family back home, your immediate environment shows that you are wasting your time going from one miserable spot to the next (Tours and blue pill places). So then what it is that we are defending is questionable. It is surprisingly questionable too that the military is basically controlled by a bunch of civilian feminnazis that undoubtedly belong to unideal international organizations. How the heck did that start? The best course of actions would be to go reserves or join some group fighting ISIS as every man should know how to fight a war to defend the tribe as well organized groups. Man is primed to kill but killing people well is an acquired skill. The reserves are the best bet as there is little exposure to the blue pill from active duty since you are a civilian in the other areas of your life. There is political correctness but its not quite as bad as active duty. A good rule of thumb is that if a chick can keep up in a combat hump then you are probably in the wrong unit and should switch if possible. Ignore the gays and trannies as that is the best advice I can give on that.

[tomzestatlu]

Gays and trannies at the units? I can´t imagine it. This think is unthinkable here, thankfully.
Anyway, this social-justice thing is everywhere. For example, there´s a woman colonel and she is about to be promoted to general. What makes me sick is, that they decided to make her general and after that they only started to think about what will be her responsibility. We don´t need another general, but because she is women, we must find something for her.

I am in the army shortly, but I have some issues, maybe more.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

They're all so smug with their israeli ties when they don't even realize that ISIS and other jihadists are just dogs on a leash for their masters in israel. Every target the US takes out, every city the extremists overrun, is more beneficial to israel and more detrimental to everyone else.

Yes there are trannies in active duty air force, and navy, haven't heard about them being in army or marines yet, but I wouldn't be surprised it there are. So many of these women look like men that as far as I'm concerned, anything in a uniform has a dick on it.

It's a clone effect, every woman looks the same, frumpy, hair bun, same pearl ear rings, same bitch face, some with the two-thousand-cock stare, some with just one. The gays you can easily tell because they're so effeminate it's like listening to a mouse in a uniform. I've also seen men holding hands walking on a military base.

Also the tattoos are rampant and unbelievable, as well as disgusting. Everyone and their fucking grandma has tattoos galore in the military, body mutilation = severe mental problems. Even upper echelon commanders who seem like stand up guys look like a freaky new orleans street-performer when you catch them at the gym or off duty.

I just don't see how any sensible person can sign their life away to this shit knowing full well what I do, but then most of them don't or refuse to listen to red pill advice. If it's not in the script and you try to introduce it, a little injection of redness, its like watching a chuck e cheese animatronic malfunction. Or if you try to talk about anything that's not beer (the only legal drug people in the service can do other than dip), hunting, boring shit, tv shows, movies, pointless drills, all fluff to make people forget their lives are passing them by.

The worst has to be just how ragged these people run themselves for the rat race of promotions when they are all in unbelievable debt (I know because I am in debt, but I don't participate in the bullshit), there is no incentive in the military once you get past the basic weed out programs, you could be the dumbest, laziest, fattest piece of dog shit and still make the same money as the brightest, most hard-working and driven guy if they're the same rank.

I don't think America can survive under this military if the threat of real invasion ever happened, they would probably send all the straight white troops to the frontlines and keep their multi-culti-fruity troops behind. I can only pray that spec ops and other elite units remain PC free forever but it doesn't look like that's going to be the case.

[sterling_archer]

What about special forces? Any news from there if things are same (probably not) as your experiences?

[Atomic]

how long did you spend in? What rank are you getting out as? What mos do you have?

It looks like you are bitter about lack of success in the military and are transferring that bitterness into hating the entire military so you don't have to face reality.

I could be wrong, but that's what I get out of this epic bitch fest.

I'm also highly suspecting you're trolling. Because this sounds like it was written by a far left liberal woman.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

I like your enthusiasm Atomic, but no man, I don't hate it all, I hate what it has become and it will remain if not become worse. There are a lot of good people still in but the smart ones are getting the fuck out unless they're in spec ops.

My condo would be raided by homoland shillcurity if I started saying what I know about special forces and broads and other top secret bs that doesn't really matter, but its not pretty. As far as I know only seals is untouched by the vagina, or at least the libtards tried to implement it but even the most nonsensical arbitrator of military accessions can see that its pointless because they will destroy the purpose of the mission with their vaginess.

Epic bitch fest indeed. Still, I speak the truth.

The military could be used for much better purposes than it is now, everything is wasted on the globalist world takeover.

[Atomic]

You speak from your experience, and Our experiences differ drastically.

I've had gays in my unit pre-repeal and post-repeal. They were exactly the same. No one flaunted it. They were not held up as heroes. They were grunts who liked to suck dick, nothing special.

Never seen a tranny in the military. If they are .1% of the US population then they sure as hell aren't widespread or really even causing a problem. They shouldn't be allowed in, but it's not like there's never been a basket case in the military until the SJW got that victory.

The most red pilled guys I've known have been current or ex military. Most have tattoos and like to drink/workout/and chase tail.

Military females aren't all frumpy and look the same. Army mostly yes. Marines have some good looking ones. Air Force has tons of smoke shows. Navy girls suck less dick than navy guys.

Promotion system can be shit depending on branch and needs of the military at the time. There is plenty of motivation in financial terms of climbing the ladder. The pay does cap out at certain ranks but it's still competitive wage + medical benefits and tax free income (BAH, BAS, incentive pays are tax free I think too). There is also plenty of motivation in terms of more voice in the direction of the unit, leading soldiers, more schools, and pride in yourself for your accomplishments.

Your comment on tattoos is ridiculous. You talk highly of the tier 1 units, but then claim that tattoos are a sign of a mental disorder.

I do agree that Marriage In the military is a horrible idea. But then again I think marriage in the civilian world is a horrible idea too.

Again, it sounds like you had a bad experience, are bitter about it, and are becoming emotional and over exaggerating.

[Peekay]

Based on my experience I would say that every poster is correct about the military. From what I saw (army 2003-2013) the military can be just like civilian life. You will have good units and you'll have bad units. You will have good bosses and you will have horrible bosses. You will meet a lot of betas, you will meet plenty of alphas. The people that I saw in the army that left with bitterness tended to be those who were assigned to horrible units or units that were made up of horrible people. The people I met that loved the military tended to be those who were lucky enough to be assigned to good units that had good people in them. On the other hand I did see a shift in culture while I was in. The Army became less hardcore and more politically correct from when I started to when I left. I guess I would say by the time I left it was really no different than working any random job in Corporate America as far as the culture went, except with guns.

[McCarthy]

I have not been in the military, but the ones I met totally agreed with the corresponding ROK articles about trannies and women. Your career can be over at any moment.

Even Israeli army is being flushed down the toilet by feminists/NGOs, but it is going way slower, since in that country, no army means being thrown into the sea. The female/mixed units are a total disaster.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

Zoom out a little man, you're looking down the block while I'm looking across the city. As a whole, yeah there was honor in it at one time, and even honor between two or more men about guarding each others lives, this I still believe, but for a long time now the essence of any purpose in the military is that you will fight and possibly die to defend the very ideals you swore to fight against. I feel like I betrayed the American people putting on this uniform everyday for years supporting one of the biggest lies of all time. Do I need to go over the bill of rights one at a time or is there something you're missing here?

Tribalism is powerful but I don't see any tribalism in the military when the goal is like I mentioned, to fight and die for a cuckolding agenda to power some bandit state and not to root out corruption and evil in your own country. I can only hope some general reclaims his soul and honor and stands against what the military is being used for, and those who are righteous will follow him... if all the generals aren't 100% women and queens by then. In a proper world, people with no business in the military keep their big noses out of it, and the arms profession will be in itself a profession and not a watered-down daycare.

What do you think the 'leaders' of our country think of the military, the same swine we all have to swear fealty to in the chain-of-command? Here's an example, but I've seen the cunt firsthand and how she deals with us, let alone all the other unconvicted criminals on capitol hill.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy" - henry kissinger

[Atomic]

So there's the real root of your complaints, an ideological opposition to the governments use of the military.

[Natorder809]

I forgot about all the complaining that people do in the military. I realize that half the time most people wonder why they are fighting where they are. I completely disagree that anybody, at least consciously, betrayed their country by “putting on the uniform.” It does not matter if you are a civilian or active duty. We are all in the same mess. Marriage life included although what we see in the civilian world is nowhere near the blue-pill policy levels in the military. That’s why I say that the reserves are a better option since you, the patriarch, has more control over the family and wives are less susceptible to the wrong kind of peer pressure, and dependaness. The pay in the reserves is not as good as active but you still learn how to go to war which should be in standard education for every male adult along with other practical learning.

Now I used to be a blue pill while I was in, and many of my buddies were, but I got to experience the tribalism concept both in training and on deployments. I also learned a great skill, which is as masculine as it gets, and I do not regret it. So aside from my attitude towards women, as far as other practice goes my military experience was as red-pill as it gets.

As far as globalization goes, I look at it through a neo-liberal standpoint. It is a group of people, which are many and predominately from the west, that want to replace all concepts of red-pill (politically, economically, socially, culturally, and religion) with cultural Marxism and hyper “free-trade.” You have to remember that these elites are human too. They are flawed just like you and I and far from Godlike. The pen is mightier then the sword quote only works in a certain context. It especially only works when people buy into that. It is one of the worst said things. What happens when the guy with the sword takes the pen from its original owner? Now the warrior, who should be right, has a pen and a sword.

You have a skill that those people do not have and they have skills that you do not have. The best thing that you can do is improve your immediate situation which is what this forum is all about.

Yes I think. I am very proud of that. You should be proud to think too.

[Paracelsus]

Stop by John T. Reed's military articles -- I think you'll probably enjoy the read given your point of view.

[Natorder809]

(05-17-2017 12:54 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Stop by John T. Reed's military articles -- I think you'll probably enjoy the read given your point of view.

Anybody who has been in knows what it is like. Don't let that phase you. Encountering situations like that is an opportunity to apply Machiavellian tactics. But I highly advise that you read his Discourses on Livy and Mandragola; they are the reasons behind his book The Prince. The two times people got in my way (One in a POG headquarters battalion as I was getting out and the other at a veteran work study job) I turned it around, gained the influence I needed at the time, and made things slightly better. There is that stuff in the infantry also but my unit still heavily based extra schools and promotions by merit, not to mention the POG unit where I actually got to go up a billet after my office politics successes. It is all based on the willingness to put in the work to be good at your job. The next step is the context of the situation and properly applying the tactics. I would never dare challenge my Infantry leaders full on and non of my buddies got in my way but in the POG world the political adversary was the guy in charge of me and my buddies. At the work study job the political adversary was a peer (but a dirt-bag who stayed in just long enough to qualify for 100% GI-Bill trying to move up the ladder and thought too highly of himself). Once you get a good reading of your immediate environment all the pieces fall into place.

It is never a good idea to fall into nihilism. It does not matter who you are as everyone has some degree of control no matter how small. get a good harness on who you are, improve what you can, and keep moving forward.

the POG concept is not a negative connotation. It distinguishes a Grunt from a non-grunt.

[Natorder809]

(05-16-2017 10:19 AM)Natorder809 Wrote:  

I remember when I was waking up to the red-pill just after getting out of the military. As masculine as fighting and killing the enemy is I realized what a potential hot bed the military microculture was for social justice warriorism. The most notable indication is that both groups cuss like nobody’s business although the SWJs aren’t as good at it. Any kind of red-pill was virtually absent as only a few guys in the upper leadership knew about this stuff. Lots of purple pill though. Blue pill predominated among the lower ranks and a few higher-ups but typically inactive while I was in. it wasn’t until my last few months that they started implementing blue pill policy at work, including “hazing.” However, the bluest I think it got when I was in was the family life. It is as if they got the Blue pill marriage down to a T, wrote a manual on how to practice it, and encultured (but probably forced many others before I was in) everybody into that mindset. Its amazing how one can take the most masculine type of lifestyle, being a great killer of your enemies at the same time being a red-pill patriarch of the family like our warrior ancestors. Unless you are some blue-pill guy, it is not a god idea to get married in the active duty military and I would personally rather die (now) then come home after a rough deployment to that.

With the Trump election, you would think that the leadership would take it upon themselves to implement the red-pill from basic stuff like bringing back combat humps in MOS schools or making boots/joes do stupid tasks when they do something wrong in the field. The idea is that the harder the training is to the boot (mental and physical up to a certain point) the better off he will be in combat and after.

With all this being said I would not suggest that one does not reject direct military involvement. Everybody likes tribes and the infantry is as tribal as it gets so far as fighting is concerned. The problem is, other than defending your buddies and family back home, your immediate environment shows that you are wasting your time going from one miserable spot to the next (Tours and blue pill places). So then what it is that we are defending is questionable. It is surprisingly questionable too that the military is basically controlled by a bunch of civilian feminnazis that undoubtedly belong to unideal international organizations. How the heck did that start? The best course of actions would be to go reserves or join some group fighting ISIS as every man should know how to fight a war to defend the tribe as well organized groups. Man is primed to kill but killing people well is an acquired skill. The reserves are the best bet as there is little exposure to the blue pill from active duty since you are a civilian in the other areas of your life. There is political correctness but its not quite as bad as active duty. A good rule of thumb is that if a chick can keep up in a combat hump then you are probably in the wrong unit and should switch if possible. Ignore the gays and trannies as that is the best advice I can give on that.

Observations on military married life are from my married buddies and my own eyewitness accounts.

[Avon Barksdale]

The military should honestly just be used as a stepping stone for better things in the civilian world,

[Transsimian]

It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

[Corollary]

(05-18-2017 12:56 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

It's funny how so many low-post count, no rep, new accounts decide to discuss something so inflammatory.

Coordinated attack from a troll sleeper cell?

This forum needs a Jack Bauer.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

So if I was high-post count, old account, I should only discuss something boring?

Inflammatory discussions should be mandatory because most guys here aren't easily triggered like other types of people.

I say we should see just how far we can troll each other, maybe in a controlled environment, that way there could be a moderator if someone can't take the trolling too much. It would make great practice for trolling femicunts and libtards.

Anyhow, the whole organization is a death cult. I'm not the only one who believes this, quite a few of my friends do, though you can't say anything about the toxic leadership or some of the truly stupid things that go on, just have to keep your upper zipper shut and move on with your life. Heaven help you if you piss off "the club" of upper-crust officers.

[Sherman]

I'm interested in finding out if there is any evidence of change since Trump came to office. Or are the changes that Obama made to the military now permanent?

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

If PC culture goes away, and the dictatorial mindset of the military vanishes, then maybe. If they let people leave who don't want to be in there without making a big fucking deal out of it there would be a whole lot less problems. Let the gung-ho and easily brainwashed stay in, and let those with doubts leave because they're clearly not fit for the job. So much fucking money is wasted every year on all the medical and psychological bitching. It's the so-called "only legal dictatorship in the free world" by many for such reasons. No man wants to deal with that much bullshit. At least in Rome they were actually fighting for their people and bringing civilization to the conquered tribes, nowadays a military occupation is more of a locust infestation, it destroys all the crops, leaves the earth ravaged and the people even more desolate than before.