[fiasco360]

(12-20-2018 07:12 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:53 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  

Interesting this one.

I, too, absolutely can't stand rap. Not sure about restriction measures though...but he does raise a good point.

[url=https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1074514577034018816][/url]

This is an attempt to control free speech.

There is very little drugs and sex in Russian rap. It is much more intellectual then western rap. I risk getting hated but the truth is that it is because - it is sung by a different race of peoples. I listen to it and I know. Russian rap may appear degenerate only to old babuskas who support Putin. For any western conservative - Russian rap would appear very red pill and even virtuous compared to much more degenerate pop. Pop is owned by sluts both in west and in Russia. But rap is owned by men and for men and Russian rap is much more smarter then western.

Russian rap however - like any non-mainstream art of course - is strictly anti-authoritarian.

I am currently disappointed in Putin. He seems to have been given up. At the start of his reign he did many commendable red pill things, saved Russian children from molestation by western homos, made sports cool again and made drinking and smoking uncool again.

Lately he is just holding to power with increased authoritarianism, making no advances in conservatism and doing nothing about spread of Islam.

His tactic to keep Russian Muslims at peace is to bribe them by giving huge grants to Chechen and other Muslim regions. It will work for the time of Putin's reign but his successors will have to deal with much stronger Muslim 5th column.

Can you give some examples of Russian rap? Just curious to see a few songs.

[Mage]

(12-20-2018 02:36 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Can you give some examples of Russian rap? Just curious to see a few songs.

Oxxxymiron the current king of Russian rap, you cannot think about Russian rep wihout mentioning this guy:

All of his songs are know for their high level of smart referances to various intellectual stuf like philosophy, literature and similar.

In Russia the real popularity of a rapper is decided by rap battles who are often even more popular then their songs. Here is the only battle Oxxymiron ever lost and is very popular, both rappers are big stars of non-PC culture:

If you want to hear him in English here he is battling an English speaking rapper and in my opinion winning:

[Mage]

A few other songs from various guys I like:

[Mage]

Now there are some russian rappers who might be accused of singing about alcohol, crime and similar bad stuff, most notoriously this guy in the videos below. But he is a clown and everyone with an ounce of intelect understands that and doesn't take him seriously. Basicly in Russia if you sing dumb songs without philosophical underlay about stupid n***a topics like crime and drugs and alcohol then you are a clown.

The worst thing Putin could do is take guys like this seriously and take any measures, it would really discredit the government and turn clowns into rebels.

[911]

(12-19-2018 12:12 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 06:51 PM)911 Wrote:  

Those countries have been part of Greater Russia for centuries, and they also have large Russian Christian populations. It's vital for Russia to keep a strong influence over and good relations with their satellite countries in central Asia. Not the same situation in western Europe where there are no organic/historic ties predating modern colonial empires.

Putin gets the fact that pop music has been deliberately weaponized to demoralize and destroy societies. None are more dangerous and potent as rap, which dumbs down people and turns women into sexually degenerate hoes, it's like the fentanyl of degenerate musical genres. If you're interested in that subject I could provide links to serious red pill academic research on this subject.

It seems like the rulers of Russia and China are really looking out for the welfare of their people, these countries are run by former cadres of the communist system and have a deep understanding of the weaponization of culture as a powerful tool for subversion. In the West, leaders are either completely complicit with the globo-homo agenda, or they're dumb NPC neoliberal dupes who are oblivious to the destructive power of cultural subversion.

Post links

I need a bit of time to gather the research, will start a new thread later this winter on the weaponization of pop music as a tool for cultural subversion, the players behind this, and the neuro-psychological aspects involved.

[Mage]

Please note that if Putin would really care about morailty then he would forbid import of western rap and pop in the first place, that is from where the degradation comes.

Russian rap - as shown by songs I posted above - is very different - emphasis is on masculinity, honor, introspection and protest against corruption. Russian rap singed by non-mainstream (but very popular)artists is really a net positive influence on young people of Russia nowadays.

Now Russian mainstream pop however (known as "естрада" in Russia) is singed by prominent state approved stars and has become really decadent and shitty, promoting cheap hedonism and is dominated by flamboyant homosexuals like Filip Kirkorov, Maxim Galkin and Nikolay Baskov. Sadly Putin doesn't talk about banning or limiting that.

This is the shitty decadent russian pop singed by the aging state approved superstars, trying to be relevant and edgy, this is the stuff that should really be banned:

[fiasco360]

Appreciate the posts mage. I'll check it out.

[beta_plus]

A Russian YouTuber asks other Russians what they think of the USA. Pretty interesting.

[edlefou]

(12-27-2018 11:26 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

A Russian YouTuber asks other Russians what they think of the USA. Pretty interesting.

Cool video, good snapshot of the Russian culture and you can see the high regard they have for the USA. Despite telling them to fuck off, most would all move there in a heartbeat.

Two things I found especially interesting were:

1) The chick who virtue signals about gays while the dude is against it. It shows women are the gateway to that degeneracy gaining ground in Russia.

2) Why do Russians think everyone else imagines the Russian stereotype to be a drunk bear playing a balalaika? I've heard this all over Russia, but nobody has that stereotype. Vodka-chugging tough guy men and hot gold-diggers are the common stereotypes. But drunk bear playing a balalaika? No. Nobody even knows what a balalaika is.

Not sure if Putin thread is the best place for this.

[Barron]

WB, WB, WB, WB, WB.

Now, back to all things Putin

[rotekz]

(12-20-2018 03:46 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Please note that if Putin would really care about morailty then he would forbid import of western rap and pop in the first place, that is from where the degradation comes.

Is it not the case that banning something makes it more attractive? Putin is perhaps smart to leave it alone. With the superior themes already endemic in Russian rap I'm not seeing how there is an influence problem that needs fixing. Are Russians actually listening to Western junk music? Do they understand English lyrics? Perhaps they just ogle at the depravity in the videos?

[Mage]

(01-01-2019 01:35 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 03:46 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Please note that if Putin would really care about morailty then he would forbid import of western rap and pop in the first place, that is from where the degradation comes.

Is it not the case that banning something makes it more attractive? Putin is perhaps smart to leave it alone. With the superior themes already endemic in Russian rap I'm not seeing how there is an influence problem that needs fixing. Are Russians actually listening to Western junk music? Do they understand English lyrics? Perhaps they just ogle at the depravity in the videos?

You are trying to pull a strawman here arn't you? Why?

I am not advocating banning everything. There was a discussion on possible ban/restriction on Russian rap on accusations of it being immoral and I argumented that if something is immoral and could be banned for that reason it would be western pop/rap not Russian rap. I am not advocating banning anything actually, just pointing out the false premise for considering the ban/restriction.

Of course Russians understand English lyrics. The whole world understands English lyrics. You don't need high levels of English to understand "She is such a fucking whore. I love it." and "I am a sick fuck, I like a quick fuck" It's not Shakespeare. But that song teaches any kid with 4th grade English proficiency that loving whores for who they are is cool and a quick fuck is one of the priorities in life if you wanna be cool.

[rotekz]

Forget it Mage. It was not a straw man and you are acting way too heavy to be worth my time.

[Constitution45]

Can’t beat Cossack folk songs. Give me that over Ariana grande any day.

[Oberrheiner]

Spoken like a man. Here goes :

Also wtf youtube !?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...A90wEHi786

[911]

(12-19-2018 12:12 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 06:51 PM)911 Wrote:  

Those countries have been part of Greater Russia for centuries, and they also have large Russian Christian populations. It's vital for Russia to keep a strong influence over and good relations with their satellite countries in central Asia. Not the same situation in western Europe where there are no organic/historic ties predating modern colonial empires.

Putin gets the fact that pop music has been deliberately weaponized to demoralize and destroy societies. None are more dangerous and potent as rap, which dumbs down people and turns women into sexually degenerate hoes, it's like the fentanyl of degenerate musical genres. If you're interested in that subject I could provide links to serious red pill academic research on this subject.

It seems like the rulers of Russia and China are really looking out for the welfare of their people, these countries are run by former cadres of the communist system and have a deep understanding of the weaponization of culture as a powerful tool for subversion. In the West, leaders are either completely complicit with the globo-homo agenda, or they're dumb NPC neoliberal dupes who are oblivious to the destructive power of cultural subversion.

Post links

This is a very good start on the subject, Adam Green does a good job documenting the evil intent and perverse cultural dynamics behind the rap music industry, which has deliberately weaponized the genre in order to debase and profit from Black America and broader society. For instance it turns out a lot of music studio honchos had also invested in the prison industrial complex while pushing gangster rap:

On the more academic front, Hans Utter has done some great research pertaining to the psychological aspects of this mediun from a neurological and music science angle, I will add to this thread when I come across his material.

[AManLikePutin]

Putin Thanks Women For Taking Care Of The Home And Staying Beautiful On International Women’s Day

Quote:

Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated Russian women for everything they do in life, like taking care of the home and staying beautiful. He made the remarks to a group of Russian female policewomen on International Women’s Day, which was celebrated throughout the Soviet Union.

“You manage everything at work and at home, whilst staying beautiful, bright, and charming,” Putin said, adding that “It is hard to imagine the history and development of our country without the contribution of the great Russian women.”

“What does a young woman need to maintain her figure? Three things: a workout machine, a masseuse and a suitor,” Putin told the police officers.

Putin also told the female police staff that when they patrol the city woodland parks, the number of accidents drops “because those who wish to commit suicide look at you and want to live again,” reported The Moscow Times.

“Our women’s ability to achieve success is remarkable. You manage to cope with everything at work and take care of the family. Your love unites, encourages, supports, consoles makes us feel warm,” reported Russian state news agency TASS on Putin’s official comments.

“You are destined to go the whole way of creating new life – the miracle of childbirth. This great happiness of motherhood and child-rearing transfigures this world, fills it with kindness, gentleness and sympathy and asserts the traditional values that have always made Russia strong,” Putin said.

“We shall be always indebted to you,” Putin said in his address to the women of the nation. “This is true of each of us and of the state in general, which remains obliged to do so much for the sake of those who spare no effort in rearing their children.

The Russian leader emphasized women’s immeasurable emotional generosity, wrote TASS.

“True, it is a gift of nature, but you, dear women, multiply this gift a hundred times with your attitude to work and your dear ones,” he said.

“You are reliable co-workers and managers of great responsibility. You are capable of feeling the subtlest nuances and taking a competent and creative attitude to any undertaking,” Putin said. “It is hard to imagine the history and development of our country without the creative contribution of the great women of Russia. These days there are no professional heights you are unable to achieve.”

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/...omens-day/

[Once Was Not]

(03-08-2019 12:37 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  

Putin Thanks Women For Taking Care Of The Home And Staying Beautiful On International Women’s Day

Quote:

Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated Russian women for everything they do in life, like taking care of the home and staying beautiful. He made the remarks to a group of Russian female policewomen on International Women’s Day, which was celebrated throughout the Soviet Union.

“You manage everything at work and at home, whilst staying beautiful, bright, and charming,” Putin said, adding that “It is hard to imagine the history and development of our country without the contribution of the great Russian women.”

“What does a young woman need to maintain her figure? Three things: a workout machine, a masseuse and a suitor,” Putin told the police officers.

Putin also told the female police staff that when they patrol the city woodland parks, the number of accidents drops “because those who wish to commit suicide look at you and want to live again,” reported The Moscow Times.

“Our women’s ability to achieve success is remarkable. You manage to cope with everything at work and take care of the family. Your love unites, encourages, supports, consoles makes us feel warm,” reported Russian state news agency TASS on Putin’s official comments.

“You are destined to go the whole way of creating new life – the miracle of childbirth. This great happiness of motherhood and child-rearing transfigures this world, fills it with kindness, gentleness and sympathy and asserts the traditional values that have always made Russia strong,” Putin said.

“We shall be always indebted to you,” Putin said in his address to the women of the nation. “This is true of each of us and of the state in general, which remains obliged to do so much for the sake of those who spare no effort in rearing their children.

The Russian leader emphasized women’s immeasurable emotional generosity, wrote TASS.

“True, it is a gift of nature, but you, dear women, multiply this gift a hundred times with your attitude to work and your dear ones,” he said.

“You are reliable co-workers and managers of great responsibility. You are capable of feeling the subtlest nuances and taking a competent and creative attitude to any undertaking,” Putin said. “It is hard to imagine the history and development of our country without the creative contribution of the great women of Russia. These days there are no professional heights you are unable to achieve.”

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/...omens-day/

Beautiful.


Meanwhile in United States of America we have this

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and
[url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-on-international-womens-day-2019/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=djt]Presidential Message on International Women’s Day, 2019

Quote:

On International Women’s Day, we honor women worldwide for their vital role in shaping and strengthening our communities, families, governments, and businesses. We celebrate their vision, leadership, and courage, and we reaffirm our commitment to promoting equal opportunity for women everywhere.

Through the efforts of remarkable women trailblazers in the United States and around the world, we have made tremendous progress in the fight for equality and justice for all. My Administration has championed initiatives to promote women’s global economic empowerment through business, technology, and increased access to capital. These initiatives include the Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative, Canada–United States Council for Advancement of Women Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders, Overseas Private Investment Corporation’s 2X Women’s Initiative, and United States Agency for International Development’s WomenConnect Challenge.

This year, I signed a National Security Presidential Memorandum to launch the Women’s Global Development and Prosperity (W-GDP) Initiative. The W-GDP Initiative is structured to help at least 50 million women in developing countries fully and freely participate in their local economies by 2025. This historic initiative is the Federal Government’s first integrated approach to global women’s economic empowerment and a tremendous step in supporting women. The W-GDP Initiative is coordinating its efforts with individuals in the private sector, civil society, diplomatic community, and Congress to promote workforce development and skills training, improve access to capital, and implement reforms that enable greater economic participation. Women’s participation in the workforce, free of discrimination and injustice, results in safer, stronger, and freer nations.

As my Administration continues to support women around the globe, it is also fighting for women in the United States. Through the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, my Administration is providing tax relief to parents by doubling the child tax credit and preserving the child and dependent care credit. Thanks to our economic policies, women’s unemployment in the United States has reached the lowest level in 65 years and more than 2 million more women are working today than in November 2016.

As we recognize International Women’s Day, we acknowledge that when women are economically empowered they are able to invest more in their families and communities, producing a multiplier effect that spurs economic growth and contributes to global stability. We remain vigilant in our pursuit of equality and opportunity so that all women may blaze new trails, pursue their dreams, and reach their full potential.

[911]

That is awesome, no wonder Putin is so vilified in the bankster occupied West.

[Rocha]

^^difference is that most Russian women love Putin, while most American women despise Trump, while nonetheless respecting Putin. So Trump has to cather for his audience.

[debeguiled]

[Easy_C]

(12-20-2018 03:36 PM)911 Wrote:  

I need a bit of time to gather the research, will start a new thread later this winter on the weaponization of pop music as a tool for cultural subversion, the players behind this, and the neuro-psychological aspects involved.

I'd recommend Jan Irving's research into the topic.

Keep in mind Irving himself appears to be a narcissist/psychopath, but he's also extremely good at doing the research and mentions original sources (quotes/writings by the people involved themselves) backing up his assertions about how pop music shifted during the "hippy" era.