[doc holliday]

2 years in jail is nowhere close to excessive. That punk could have killed that woman. In fact, I'm surprised she didn't suffer far more than she did. All the people here who are inferring that she deserved to get this beatdown because they think she's some privileged white woman who supposedly crapped all over good men her whole life need to give it a rest. Not all women are evil and no one deserves to have that happen to them, especially when she's the manager of the homeowners assoc and was just doing her job.

I would love to see Uruz, ChrisGaines and some of these other joker's reaction if these were a bunch of white kids throwing an elderly black lady into a pool after body slamming her. Instead they want to defend Obama's second son as a good boy who realized his mistake and turned himself in. Give me a fucking break.

[Kabal]

(05-09-2017 04:14 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

loud frat guys throwing an older black woman in a pool, would this thread exist?

If that happened, it would be the lead story on every network and the fraternity would instantly lose their charter and be kicked off campus. Even the members who weren't even there would be punished.

Don't believe it? Worse than that has been done over fake rapes.

This pretty much literally happened with Duke Lacrosse. And in many respects, even worse.

[SamuelBRoberts]

A bunch of frat boys throwing an elderly black woman in a pool when she asked them to turn the music down would be the lead story in America for months. The damage awards would reach 7 figures, easily. The national fraternity would almost certainly have to shut down. The guy who did it would be looking at years and years in jail.

It would make the Duke Lacross rape accusations look like a small local story.

I'm starting to think ChrisGaines might be a troll.

[ChrisGaines]

(05-09-2017 04:37 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

2 years in jail is nowhere close to excessive. That punk could have killed that woman. In fact, I'm surprised she didn't suffer far more than she did. All the people here who are inferring that she deserved to get this beatdown because they think she's some privileged white woman who supposedly crapped all over good men her whole life need to give it a rest. Not all women are evil and no one deserves to have that happen to them, especially when she's the manager of the homeowners assoc and was just doing her job.

I would love to see Uruz, ChrisGaines and some of these other joker's reaction if these were a bunch of white kids throwing an elderly black lady into a pool after body slamming her. Instead they want to defend Obama's second son as a good boy who realized his mistake and turned himself in. Give me a fucking break.

I never said any of this--in fact, I have maintained that it was stupid, dangerous, and horrible behavior. HOWEVER, I don't see it rising to the level of Felony Battery that would bring a prison sentence of more than a year. I'm not sure what state they are in, but in general there's no indication of a dangerous weapon, there's no indication that he caused serious harm/disfigurement, there's no indication that she was tortured, there's no indication that he was previously convicted of a battery, etc. YES it was horrible--nobody is denying that.

However, "a couple years in prison" isn't just an arbitrary number--sentencing corresponds with the crime committed, and certain crimes carry maximum/minimum sentences. Laws exist.

Of course the next comment immediately goes to "Obama's son" reasoning. Anyone who disagrees and doesn't condemn a black kid (or doesn't even disagree, just points out the existence of sentencing guidelines and laws!) is automatically in the bag for Obama (or a troll!).

[tomtud]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...study-says

(Article:racial data routinely suppressed or omitted by police and governmental bodies)
I can probably dig deeper but I assume all cucked countries practice the same policies more or less. The data or news is suppressed and justice/attention is given to those who belong to a certain social group. Hence SJWs.

This incident probably was on Tommy Sotomayors channel and of course others. I agree with Chris Gaines that this is not national news worthy, however I politely disagree with him that cultural factors play a part. each time I read some mass shooting, before opening the article I think of a white person or Arab. Suicide bomber, Arab. Suicide due to bullying, white Person...Honour killings I think of Arabs, Indians, Muslims....Brawl in a restaurant or mall, I think of blacks......AIDS I think of gays, junkies and prostitutes. Nonetheless these are all stereotypes. Yet, culture plays a part in the aforementioned stereotypes to a degree.

Folks don't be surprised CNN and the like don't run with it. They don't run with the atrocities happening in Chicago and other urban areas, Baltimore, Detroit etc.

[LeeEnfield303]

(05-08-2017 10:45 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  

You should check out Chicago during the summer. The kids in this video would fit right in.

In Chicago that woman would have never gone over there.

[ChrisGaines]

(05-09-2017 04:46 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I'm starting to think ChrisGaines might be a troll.

Because I don't disagree with the conventional line of thinking here? Perhaps my arguments aren't as nuanced as you would prefer, or my IQ is a couple SD points lower than yours, but that's all dismissed as being a troll? Ridiculous

[AneroidOcean]

(05-09-2017 03:48 PM)Repo Wrote:  

A couple years would be fucking excessive. Shit when I was a kid before $500+ cell phones, throwing people in a pool was not that uncommon as a "prank". This really baffles me that this is national news, I can think of dozens of incidents as a kid where people actually ended up in the hospital and they were never a blip on anyones radar.

Community service, pay a fine, maybe probation, we don't need to go full police state over this.

Really, it was not that uncommon to pick up completely and throw elderly people in pools? This was your normal upbringing?

You'd totally have a laughing crowd of friends around shouting to throw an elderly person in the pool while their multiple pets are leashed to them?

It'd be totally normal to slip, fall, body-slam (albeit accidentally) the elderly person, and your first totally normal thought is to finish your intended action to throw the elderly person in the pool?

Not to check on them to make sure they're ok first? Not to re-think your action?

Nope, just pick them up off the ground and toss them in the pool. Totally normal.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the lady comes in with a clear limp. Yeah, when I grew up it was totes normal to throw gimp/disabled elderly people into the pool.

[LeeEnfield303]

(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

or loud frat guys throwing an older black woman in a pool, would this thread exist?

If you mean, "Loud (WHITE) frat guys (dog whistle!)", then you have a really shitty analogy there, disproved by any MSM story (Duke lacrosse, Jackie Coakley, etc) in the last ten years.

You know there are black frats, right?

[ChrisGaines]

(05-09-2017 04:49 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

Folks don't be surprised CNN and the like don't run with it. They don't run with the atrocities happening in Chicago and other urban areas, Baltimore, Detroit etc.

I think the issue there is that it just happens so often in Chicago (live here so I see it on local news every day, can't speak to Baltimore/DET) that it isn't national news--it's just another day. CNN isn't going to devote BREAKING NEWS coverage to a gang shooting in Chicago because in certain neighborhoods in the city, it's omnipresent.

[ChrisGaines]

(05-09-2017 05:00 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

or loud frat guys throwing an older black woman in a pool, would this thread exist?

If you mean, "Loud (WHITE) frat guys (dog whistle!)", then you have a really shitty analogy there, disproved by any MSM story (Duke lacrosse, Jackie Coakley, etc) in the last ten years.

You know there are black frats, right?

Being loud is exclusive to whites? Spend an hour on a CTA train car (dog whistle!). I'm aware there are black fraternities, thanks. Again, I'm not saying it wouldn't be covered on the news--I agree that it would extensively (and it has!).

All I was saying was I'm not sure there would be a post on this forum calling for people to be thrown in jail for multiple years.

[MMX2010]

(05-09-2017 02:43 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

He's a good boy. Didn't do nuffin. Working on his GED...

I prefer, "he was gwan to collidge" for line three.

[LeeEnfield303]

(05-09-2017 05:07 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

All I was saying was I'm not sure there would be a post on this forum calling for people to be thrown in jail for multiple years.

OK, but the POINT is (in my mind)....there will be no media coverage of this, as Cerno points out, because of the ethnicity of the perps. If they had been of some OTHER ethnicity......it would be the Nuremberg Trials all over again.

Not responsible for other interpretations, or other posts.

[ChrisGaines]

(05-09-2017 05:14 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 05:07 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

All I was saying was I'm not sure there would be a post on this forum calling for people to be thrown in jail for multiple years.

OK, but the POINT is (in my mind)....there will be no media coverage of this, as Cerno points out, because of the ethnicity of the perps. If they had been of some OTHER ethnicity......it would be the Nuremberg Trials all over again.

Not responsible for other interpretations, or other posts.

Understood--not sure of TV coverage, but every major website (AOL, CNN, FOX, NBC, HuffPo, ABC, Daily Mail, etc.) have articles, videos, etc.

[doc holliday]

(05-09-2017 05:07 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 05:00 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 03:52 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

or loud frat guys throwing an older black woman in a pool, would this thread exist?

If you mean, "Loud (WHITE) frat guys (dog whistle!)", then you have a really shitty analogy there, disproved by any MSM story (Duke lacrosse, Jackie Coakley, etc) in the last ten years.

You know there are black frats, right?

Being loud is exclusive to whites? Spend an hour on a CTA train car (dog whistle!). I'm aware there are black fraternities, thanks. Again, I'm not saying it wouldn't be covered on the news--I agree that it would extensively (and it has!).

All I was saying was I'm not sure there would be a post on this forum calling for people to be thrown in jail for multiple years.

Chris, you know, you seem to have this attitude that you're so intelligent and nuanced with different points of view and you've thus decided to grace this forum of ignorant simpletons with your presence so as to show many of us the folly of our thoughts. I can guarantee you that if there was a video of white frat boys throwing an elderly black lady into a pool like this poor white woman, the outrage on the forum would be equivalent. I have no doubt about that. The fact that you believe otherwise really makes me wonder why you're even here on RVF.

This forum consists of many great men who collectively bring centuries of life experience to the table and for you to talk down to this learned group of men the way you have been on all of your posts in various threads leads me to believe that you're nothing but a typical haughty and arrogant college graduate who believes he is the smartest person in every room he walks into and has chosen to come here and "educate" us rubes.

This case is quite simple. A young thug threw an elderly woman who was doing her job on the ground and then into a pool. His intent was to do some serious physical harm to this woman for daring to tell him to turn his music down. He needs to be punished commensurate to what the law dictates here which I hope is significant jail time. Its because of men like you who want to nuance, nitpick and bend over backwards to defend the indefensible, all in the name of political correctness that Western civilization is destroying itself.

[ChrisGaines]

And I agree with your assessment. I agree that he should be punished according to the applicable laws. As I have explained based upon statutory law, I don't believe his conduct will rise to the level necessary to impose a sentence of a "couple years in prison" as has been suggested here.

I will absolutely grant that I could be wrong, and there would be outrage here over white kids doing the same to a black woman. Fine.

However, men like me who are nitpicking (basing assessments on codified law) and defending the indefensible are the reason for the decline in Western civilization? You hold me and my influence in too high esteem. The hyperbole is a little much.

[doc holliday]

(05-09-2017 06:04 PM)ChrisGaines Wrote:  

And I agree with your assessment. I agree that he should be punished according to the applicable laws. As I have explained based upon statutory law, I don't believe his conduct will rise to the level necessary to impose a sentence of a "couple years in prison" as has been suggested here.

I will absolutely grant that I could be wrong, and there would be outrage here over white kids doing the same to a black woman. Fine.

However, men like me who are nitpicking (basing assessments on codified law) and defending the indefensible are the reason for the decline in Western civilization? You hold me and my influence in too high esteem. The hyperbole is a little much.

You never answered my original assertion about your haughtiness and arrogance that you have brought to numerous other posts, all in the name of simply being contrarian and to demonstrate your supposed superior intellect over everyone else here.

You're absolutely wrong about how there could be outrage if the roles were reversed. There would be outrage but you can't bring yourself to say it. Which is why, if you have such little faith in the men here, then why exactly are you here if not to create problems rather than to discuss things.

It is not hyperbole to say that men like you who are overeducated in politically correct theory taught by modern day "professors" but undereducated in life experience are the reason that Western civilization is degrading into a giant mess. You can't even bring yourself to say with any sort of conviction that what happened here was outrageous which it most obviously was and instead want to put qualifiers on this incident. I have no doubt that if the race of the participants was reversed, your outrage would be far more evident and your opinions far less nuanced.

[realologist]

This is a horrible action and there should be a punishment. The kid seems to show some remorse and is taking responsibility by turning himself in. Hopefully that's because of actual empathy instead of something else.

Years are extremely excessive though. A more reasonable punishment. Delayed month in a juvenile home for a month in the summer. Pay for any medical costs. Rest of the summer has to do 20 hours a week community service at an old folks home and 6 months probation. If he really feels bad and responsible that will be effective. If not we all know the route the kid will take in the couple years until he is an adult.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(05-09-2017 07:26 PM)realologist Wrote:  

This is a horrible action and there should be a punishment. The kid seems to show some remorse and is taking responsibility by turning himself in. Hopefully that's because of actual empathy instead of something else.

Years are extremely excessive though. A more reasonable punishment. Delayed month in a juvenile home for a month in the summer. Pay for any medical costs. Rest of the summer has to do 20 hours a week community service at an old folks home and 6 months probation. If he really feels bad and responsible that will be effective. If not we all know the route the kid will take in the couple years until he is an adult.

Elderly people are extremely fragile. You and I can get pushed into a pool and escape with nothing more than a bruised ego and maybe a busted cell phone, but that can easily be fatal for an elderly woman. And that "body slam"? I know plenty of elderly people who've had broken hips and permanent damage from just minor falls, let alone being smashed to the ground by some pissed off gorilla.

He's very lucky he's not facing a murder charge, honestly.

In any event, I think it would be better for society if he was simply taken out behind a shed and nobody ever saw him again, but failing that, 3 years will have to do.

[Rigsby]

(05-09-2017 03:15 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:22 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 09:18 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

They are in their own house, let them deal with it and we will enjoy the fruits of their labours because if any one community can drive the intelligence agencies, MSM, governments and mass numbers of the public into a frenzy and hysterics over a protracted period of time again and again then they should be admired in a way.

Just don't be a major asshole or piece of shit whilst a camera is rolling and you're safe.

I often see posts on this forum (and on heartiste) extolling the virtues of 4chan ("weaponised austism!!!!11!") , but never see any mentioning the child porn, obsession with black men in any context etc etc

for example, I went on their **just now** and saw this on the front page of /b/ (NSFW):
http://i.imgur.com/FtteQwn.png

Why is this never discussed when these forum members talk about how great and edgy 4chan is? Anybody who has spent more than 10 minutes there would have seen similar stuff.

those guys habitually partake of "cuckish" habits , yet are constantly held up as some beacon of unfiltered guys, telling it how it is.

Very strange.

4 chan is a community like any other and it has its fair share of different shades of people. Nowhere in my post does it even begin to make it look like I admire them for their very existence.

Just because I didn't highlight the child porn means I should be lumped in a group that doesn't criticise them? Did I also mention the biggest PizzaGate investigations are carried out by those who reside in those communities?

Foolsgo1d is an imbiber of information. He is not his brother's keeper. He's keeping tabs on shit. He neither agrees or disagrees - he is impartial. He likes to see which way the wind blows. I think. Not talking for you Foolsgo1d.

There is more than one chan, I won't name the main one because the first rule of the chans is you don't talk about the chans. They could bring down a holy shit storm on all of us like you have never seen. Be wary of people trying to stir shit with the chans. They are anonymous. They do good work. Leave them be. We aren't here to virtue signal because they use the word 'nigger' and are racist as fuck. It's their house. Take it over there. Less of this 'let's you and him fight bs' uh?

4chan has had its problems shall we say. Shilling and reverse propaganda are rife. Hell, they are on the other chans as well. The tranny porn? Why was that allowed to continue? But all mention of gamergate gave way to the great exodus.

I strongly advise all members of this community to stop talking about the chans. And to be suspicious of those that bring it up in threads, where really, it is pretty much irrelevant. Yes, racists on the internet. Nothing to do with us. Don't make us fucking responsible for their shit - we are not. But don't make us disavow either, because they do good work that we all benefit from.

The last thing Roosh needs is a full on assault of his servers. The last thing we need is us all being picked off one by one by anonymous. Let the chan shit drop. It benefits no one. If you feel so strongly about it, start a new thread. But I strongly advise you don't do that, for obvious reasons.

I don't post on the chans. I lurk sometimes. Give them respect and we will be ok. Keep poking the hornet's nest and pay the price.

We don't need to mention stormfront when we have a racial discussion, so why involve the chans. It's borderline trolling and should be treated with the most suspicion.

This site is already semi on the radar with some posters over there. Don't be the RVF fool to push it over for no reason. If the time comes, yes. But so far there is no need for any of this shit. Stop it.

Roosh has enough burdens to deal with at the moment. Anonymous will be reading this and see it as a call to peace. We are about racial harmony here, fighting with anonymous would mean racial war, and we don't want that.

Can we not have an argument ourselves about this without drawing in 3rd parties that could do massive harm to this community. They are leaving us alone, even though we represent many things they despise. There must be a reason for that. Do not tempt their good grace.

Racists exist. Words on a forum will never eradicate these people.

I'm not anonymous and I'm only speaking for myself here. One last time, I strongly urge all members to refrain from bringing the chans in to our arguments. By all means link the good stuff (I did with BikeLockScum Eric Clanton), but no picking fights. These people are not to be fucked with. And many of you have a lot more to lose than I do, so see that as a friendly warning.

[Uruz]

(05-09-2017 04:37 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

I would love to see Uruz, ChrisGaines and some of these other joker's reaction if these were a bunch of white kids throwing an elderly black lady into a pool after body slamming her. Instead they want to defend Obama's second son as a good boy who realized his mistake and turned himself in. Give me a fucking break.

Excuse me. Who was defending who? Are you so scare of it that when someone mentions "race" in motive it means that he is trying to use it as an argument for defence of blacks? Hmm, I thought that saying "I would gladly watch all of the cunts at the pool and their whole family die" would make the point but I guess word "racism" is so deeply rooted in westerns as bad.

I think that like me, 99% of the forum has been totally drunk at some point but I don't remember seeing behaviour like this, ever and I have done some stupid shit drunk. I am not that extremely surprised that the trash boy did to the woman what he did, I was more surprised that everyones reaction was "RUN!!!" - From what the fuck they were running, so they are not associated with a white old woman probably dead in the pool? If that's their first thought, hmmm. I guess it says it all.

Their lives matter less than the cost of bullets, but we should not be that cheap.

[Rigsby]

(05-09-2017 12:29 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

The woman was the manager of the neighborhood homeowners association and called the police before she went over to tell them to turn the music down. The kid was drunk, and for what is is worth he is ashamed of his behavior. He turned himself in, and fessed up to the police, he reportedly said "he messed up and he had to own up to it". He lived in the neighborhood and she knew who he was, he is a 16 year old high school student.Everyone at the party was well aware they went too far, they all ran away immediately following the incident.

Fortunately the woman only has some superficial bruises, it could have been a lot worse.

I know I talk a good fight, and I pour my rage out over the keyboard and down the lines, but the truth is, I'm a very peaceful person, even when faced with violence. I just don't have it in me. I have superior impulse control.

Sure, I want to kill people. I could kill a man stone dead and sleep the sleep of the righteous, but I don't. And it's not only just because I don't want to go to prison. I would gladly go to prison if anyone hurt my family. There I go again, big internet warrior that I am.

This fool that body slammed that woman. Well, what can you say? What the fucking fuck was he thinking. Slap her if you feel so strongly about it. Fucking picking the bitch up and dunking her showed a real lack of impulse control, drink or not. And I have been glue-sniffing drunk, but not once did I ever assault someone. I took the assaults in fact. Broken teeth, broken legs, etc. etc.

It goes to his merit that he handed himself in. Maybe there is some redemption for the boy (I say 'boy' because he is obviously not a man).

This shit can not be allowed to carry on. I would come down super-hard on this motherfucker just for his cowardice alone. He would not have done that to a 7'5" cunt with a special tattoo on his forehead, would he?

That's the thing. People always know when to have impulse control and when to let rip.

The fact he did not break her spine is only good luck, not judgement. He should be tried and punished as if he had broken her spine, to the full extent of the law. The fact he handed himself in, a mitigating factor, but not so much as to be left off the hook. Make an example of him. If people keep doing this, then it shows they have no impulse control and must be dealt with accordingly - more severely, until they are eradicated from society.

I've fucking had it with these people, black or white don't come in to it anymore. Justice is blind.

If that was my Mother, and I lived in America, and had a gun, I would have fucking shot him and half the party up. Prison be damned. And that's a promise, not a threat. Being called 'racist' would have been the least of my problems by that point.

There is a tipping point. And we are getting very close to it.

[Leonard D Neubache]

The crux is the matter is lost on debates about whether the "youth" should get probation or hard time measured in years, particularly because he'd come out of lockup worse than he went in.

And that's the real problem. Because once some li'l fuckwit like this kid demonstrates that he's willing to act in this manner then there's virtually zero chance that he's going to "turn things around".

Give him a wrist slap (probation) and he learns impunity. Give him a harsh sentence (jail) and he becomes even more of an animal.

So when we nit-pick about two years or two months or two weeks we're really just dancing around the fucking obvious. That civilised society no longer maintains any real faith that this fuckwit will not simply go on to do the same or worse for the next 40 years, leaving a trail of victims in the wake of his pustulent life, and that the vast majority of us will bet on this outcome with spectacular success whether he's treated with the velvet glove or the iron fist.

Our hearts are hardening to the point where a good, intellectual man like Sambro will determine that it's in all our best interests to just take this fuckwit around the back of the shed and put a fucking bullet in him the way we would with a dangerous fucking dog, society having no business condemning his future victims to suffer because "maybe this is the kid that's gonna make it outta the hood".

Personally I'm with Sambro. Our societies have been "fundamentally transformed" to the point where you can't take your kids to the local park without fear of them getting a needle-stick injury or a cut from a busted whiskey bottle. You wouldn't dream of daring to let them go into a public toilet alone or take the bus to their friend's house. Assholes like this kid might just be fucking up one life each now and then, here and there, but they are legion and their behaviour is pushing us to make the stark choice.

If you want a return to a high trust society, a lot of motherfuckers 'gotta go', and there's no way around that fact.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-09-2017 08:21 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

...
The fact he did not break her spine is only good luck, not judgement. He should be tried and punished as if he had broken her spine, to the full extent of the law. The fact he handed himself in, a mitigating factor, but not so much as to be left off the hook. Make an example of him. If people keep doing this, then it shows they have no impulse control and must be dealt with accordingly - more severely, until they are eradicated from society.
...

Utterly fucking pointless I'm afraid. Certain "communities" have an inordinate amount of "examples" in state and federal pens. The factual odds are, junior here has several close family members who are living, breathing "examples". Junior gives zero fucks about "doze fools dat got caught" 'cause junior "ain't never gon get got".

Den junior aint never gon get got 'gain.

Den junior aint never gon get got 'gain.

Den junior aint never gon get got 'gain.

Den junior in jail for life after ruining the lives of a bunch of people, and by this time Junior junior x3 "ain't never gon get got".

[KidA]

"He didn't body slam her, he just tripped!"

"He turned himself in!"

"He said he's sorry!"

Pathetic.