[gework]

Hi,

I have two main questions:

1) What is a good way about going about being mentored for relationships with women?
2) What would you do in my situation? (pitfalls, pros, opportunities) Outlined below.

My essential stats:

Income: top 0.2% in my developed country of origin, maybe will get into 0.1% this year; self-employed with the ability to have lots of time off (though I don't)
Attractiveness: rated 9.3, 8.9, 9.1 on different sites
Body: recently got back into gear with this, down to about 10% body fat, heading for the rips
Schlong: a good bit above average but nothing to write home about but top 1% of thickness
IQ: above 140
Attraction: I've not been around girls much, but if I am in a club I will get approached, sometimes for straight up sex; occasionally wolf whistled

But:

Girlfriends: essentially zero
Lays: zero

These last two are due to a combination of generally being awful with women, my unsurety as to what to do and that I have spent almost my entire adult life working really long hours. I've only really seriously put thought into sorting my really poor situation with women out in the last year.

My issues with women stem from my family where my father was completely passive and essentially had very little to do with me, even though my parents were married. So I was completely reared by women in my family and women teachers plus all the garbage that is put out by the media. Although I was never told men are specifically bad, for much of my life I thought men were inherently bad and women were their victims. This wasn't something I went spouting like a SJW or anything I held as a cohesive idea. I hadn't even heard the arguments for my latent thoughts on men and women, never mind arguments against. But over time these ideas were chipped away by alternative sources. The biggest sea shift for me was the ascendancy of Donald Trump in early 2016. I can't believe how much my perceptions have changed since he reared the head of unapologetic masculinity into the mainstream. Since then I have lost half of my friends who I've known for half my life. They're all pussy losers, who don't like that I am becoming a striving, unapologetic man. My group of friends has been cut in half, between those that want to cry and blame their problems on others/society and those who are dealing with their shit.

The other big thing that has changed me massively is NoWanks, which I had half-heartedly done in the past, but at the beginning of the year my mind realised that splooging off loads at my computer every day or so is easy and every loser is doing it. And that my easy access to blow loads over the hottest women out there had killed my desire to chase real women. Now I am jacked with testosterone, pretty much every second of my life is different. This has finally brought me to terms with my sexuality, which I have always been ashamed of – that is, I am sexually aggressive and dominant. I want to slam a girl from behind and ask her, “Do you like that thick cock in your pussy, you dirty slut?” Yank her hair and ask her, “Does that bring out the inner bitch in you?” Then pull her by her hair on to her knees and unload a huge load of three-week NoWanks pedigree onto her surprised face. And I won't feel guilty as she slowly sucks me. I'll only feel satisfaction in my conquest of her femininity.

However, I'm not looking for casual sex. I don't place much value on it. If I could get my game together and I spent a month in a city picking up girls; I value the lost work time as about $30,000 plus probably $5,000 in expenses. So it has a $35K price tag. If I am lucky maybe I could pull 6-8 girls. Although it's not something I would do, for that price I could rent a pornstar out for 2 weeks for a five-star holiday and have no-holes-barred sex every night; or line up 3-5 weeks of duo/trio escort liaisons. With where I am at in my life I am more interested in building for the future and not wasting time trying to splooge on random young girls. I am perfectly happy to only have sex with one girl; if anything I think I'd prefer it. What I am looking for is a girl who is as close to 18 as possible, is looking to marry and from whom I will be her source of strength and security and she will be my calming feminine influence. I'd like someone who will let me get on with being the man and giving us a great standard of living and not inject nihilism and feminism into our relationship. I know this means that I will likely need to go to another country as there aren't many 18/19 year old women in the west who are ready to settle down. This isn't much of a problem as I have spent quite a bit of time out of the west.

I've been talking to a guy who does a lot of approaching and he has introduced me to a lot of material, including the notion of mentorship. I just want to get a good grounding from a pro and experience in dealing with women in situations that will make most men uncomfortable. Then I think I'll be ready to find my lady. Probably I will head out to China as I know there are a lot of young, traditional, uber-feminine and girly women there. And they are quite small. I really like the idea of being with a girl who can't really fit my thick cock in her mouth, or at least struggle to.

Rather than finish on that gentlemanly note: what's a good way to look for a mentor in my area?

[QuietDog]

I can't comment on how to find a Game mentor IRL as I've never done it.

Just wanted to say looking to wife up a girl right now when you've never even had a girlfriend is not a good plan. Gotta walk before you run. You just won't know how to handle a woman in a relationship as you've never done it before. A gameless marriage is a miserable marriage for both of you.

I remember reading something by The Rational Male saying every guy should have at least 20 notches before getting married

[asdfk]

I can coach you through Skype. PM if interested

[Cr33pin]

You neglected to mention your age which is semi important to point you in the right direction of countries to look into. I'd say the biggest thing you have going against your ultimate goal is finding a girl who is not gonna use you for your cash and status. You don't have a lot of experience dealing with women to be able to tell the genuine from the fake.

[RatInTheWoods]

(04-11-2017 09:05 PM)gework Wrote:  

I want to slam a girl from behind and ask her, “Do you like that thick cock in your pussy, you dirty slut?” Yank her hair and ask her, “Does that bring out the inner bitch in you?” Then pull her by her hair on to her knees and unload a huge load of three-week NoWanks pedigree onto her surprised face.

You need to lay off the porn and learn about real life relationships and intimacy... Especially if you want to LTR up a decent woman.

There would be a line up a mile long of young women wanting to wife you up in Thailand, if you bring the cash and the real intention to be a provider husband.

However, before you do that, I think you would benefit from some real world dating experience with real women in general.

You got the looks, cash and intelligence to navigate the dating market, we will provide back up and support. Read the forum and digest.

Welcome and good luck!

[Dream Medicine]

So you're in the top 99.8% of earners, a '9' in appearance, with 10% body fat, big cock, 140 IQ, and get approached for sex... yet you're still a virgin? Is that even possible?

(04-11-2017 09:05 PM)gework Wrote:  

what's a good way to look for a mentor in my area?

All flippancy aside, I have written in detail about why and how to meet fellow RVFers and I hope you can put this to good use.

Still, a few issues remain.

1. First, a good start means being genuine. The 'really good-looking but clueless new guy' is fairly common around these parts, so scepticism from readers like myself should not come as a surprise. Given the ease of embellishment and outright fabrication on the net, it's critical to demonstrate trustworthiness if you want to meet senior players through RVF and other online platforms. So you're likely to be shooting yourself in the foot with that list of highly questionable traits.

2. Letting go of your pride will also help a lot, both in terms of your own development and in fostering mentee-mentor relationships with game-savvy players. I know it can be tough when the harsh truths of a poor sex life come to light, however being honest with yourself is a necessary step in the journey towards self-mastery. Demonstrating frank self-awareness and openness to new ideas is likewise essential if you want senior members to invest their time in helping you in the real world.

3. Similarly, your fixation on getting that 'one special girl' and the wholly-speculative disdain for casual sex is another concern, as noted by Quietdog and others. I wrote about the utility of getting pure experience for a game rookie here (see point #2). Others have also summarised why being picky can be counterproductive for those new to the game.

In fairness I do recognize your gift of gold which is a positive sign of investment in the process. Plus, your insight into deeply-ingrained parental influences and the benefits no fap are good indicators of potential for candid introspection.

I am open to being proved wrong, so if you end up meeting a RVFer in real life, by all means feel free to have them confirm that you are who you say you are (no need to whip it out though). I want to give you the benefit of doubt because if somehow you're for real, you have a lot of potential to be a top player, and as I welcome your desire to build real-life connections through RVF. Feel free to PM me if you wanna share or ask something privately.

[LINUX]

You don't need a mentor.

The only money you should be spending is on a plane ticket to meet guys in our travel section. We are happy to show anyone the ropes free of charge. I've met over 100 guys from here and those youtube PUA couldn't come close to what I've seen them do. All you have to do is buy them a beer and say, "Show me how YOU game, and what works for "YOU." and they'll say, "Ok, Hold my beer." And if that game fits your personality -- adopt it and critique it to make it better for your personality.

There is no magic recipe. It all works. You should be able to explain game on a cocktail napkin, if you can't, you're overthinking it.

[Dalaran1991]

OP might not realize it, but he essentially got the best base for game.

I assume you have top grands saved up. Plan to retire early at 35-40s if possible, develop a passive income that lets you travel, do things you like and bang girls. That will do more good for you and your life than anything else.

Roosh and many other didn't have a mentor, but there can be tremendous benefit in having one. Funnily enough I met mine on Mark Manson's forum where he was trolling all the feel-gooders. Would never be where I am now without him.

Travel and meet people like Linux said, you dont need "mentoring". there's prolly a lot you can teach people here regarding income and career. Build a bond with guys based on trust and respect first, then people will be more than happy to help you and share their knowledge.

[Ringo]

(04-11-2017 09:05 PM)gework Wrote:  

Girlfriends: essentially zero
Lays: zero
...
I am sexually aggressive and dominant. I want to slam a girl from behind and ask her, “Do you like that thick cock in your pussy, you dirty slut?” Yank her hair and ask her, “Does that bring out the inner bitch in you?” Then pull her by her hair on to her knees and unload a huge load of three-week NoWanks pedigree onto her surprised face. And I won't feel guilty as she slowly sucks me. I'll only feel satisfaction in my conquest of her femininity.

I'm also very aggressive and dominant in many activities I've never performed.

[Robtormar]

IQ above 140. You're a genius Harry!!! A genius!!!

[Merenguero]

(04-12-2017 03:23 AM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  

So you're in the top 99.8% of earners, a '9' in appearance, with 10% body fat, big cock, 140 IQ, and get approached for sex... yet you're still a virgin? Is that even possible?

All joking aside, yes, it's possible. Some of the girls will approach just for validation. Sometimes you won't be paying attention when you get approached and react too late, if you react at all. Sometimes you will be extremely busy doing other things when you get approached. I've been approached and converted after being approached somewhere in the double digits, but have been approached and completely blown it (usually by not paying attention/not being focused enough. I know what I'm doing when I'm paying attention) somewhere in the triple or quadruple digits.

[kaotic]

Strong First Post

[Tex Cruise]

IQ over 140, from an english speaking country, and doesn't know the difference between accept and except? Come on...

[Leonard D Neubache]

^Geez, Para. Just ec-cept that he's axceptional.

[Tex Cruise]

(04-13-2017 03:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^Geez, Para. Just ec-cept that he's axceptional.

I know all tall, handsome, muscular Aussies look alike to some people, but I'm not Paracelsus.

[lowside]

Could someone skype him already? My trolldetector is going absolutely crazy on this one.

[gework]

Thanks for your replies and suggestions. I didn't realise that you guys were so open to offering help. I know which direction to go in now.

A few answers/comments:

(04-12-2017 12:17 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

You neglected to mention your age.

30.

(04-12-2017 01:25 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

You need to lay off the porn.
However, before you do that, I think you would benefit from some real world dating experience with real women in general.

I don't watch porn.
That's one reason why I am interested in getting some experience. If you can consider my situation, you can imagine what my [friends] are like. They've had some serious cuck ups and from other material I've consumed I know that women can be incredibly dangerous. Most of the knowledge I have is on disasters. My knowledge on keping yourself away from dangerous women and how to have success with women is limited.

The main reason I'm more interested in marriage is because there are things I value over having sex with as many women as possible. I have plans for business and making more money and for me the biggest reward will be to raise kids who have as much of my pros and as few of my negatives as possible. I'm also a bit of a social conservative of the Gavin McInnes type, i.e. given to using colourful language, offending sensitive people, but seeing the value of being careful on the decisions you make. For me the value in not having a lot of sex is borne out in statistics like this:



I'm also somewhat torn between trying to have lots of sex and finding a wife. It depends on my testosterone levels. When I wrote this I had about a four week backup, which I could no longer keep in me.

(04-12-2017 03:23 AM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  

So you're in the top 99.8% of earners, a '9' in appearance, with 10% body fat, big cock, 140 IQ, and get approached for sex... yet you're still a virgin? Is that even possible?

Yes, don't underestimate the negative of utter cluelessness, being surrounded by cucks and having bad ideas. The reasons I didn't have sex with any of the women who approached are:

1) It shocked me and I was too uneasy due to the faggotry that has been instilled in my mind from society
2) I didn't want to; what kind of girls do you think tend to approach for sex? Probably not 10s.

(04-13-2017 04:23 AM)lowside Wrote:  

Could someone skype him already? My trolldetector is going absolutely crazy on this one.

I know this could be easily doctored. So you can either think I am a looser that would spend $21 (premium) and 30 minutes just to post this and a further 30 minutes to Photoshop some screenshots; or that I am just a 30 year old virgin, loser who has some otherwise pretty good stats

[Pollito]

OP is the Billy Beane of SMV stats.

What's your source for cock thickness statistics? Are you top 1% worldwide or just within your racial phenotype? Did you wrap the measuring tape around the midpoint of the shaft, the knob end, or the base? My johnson has a nice consistent taper, but if you're carrying around a seal club in your drawers the measurement point you use is definitely going to skew your results.

[torridon747]

Looking like a middle class business owner but at least we know you're not broke.

This is going to sound shitty, and it is shitty but the world as I'm sure you know isn't fair - those sexual partner vs marriage stats are just stats and also mainly just apply to women.

You need to get out there and get a bunch of experience before you consider wifing a girl up - especially if you have the money you claim. There's some real slick characters out there and aside from avoiding them altogether (impossible) your best defense is knowledge and best offense is experience.

I know it's sad or whatever but forget about marriage. Go start courting and banging women. People will help you from there.

If someone experienced enough were to try to explain to you right now how to get and keep a worthy wife you would fuck it up. You just would. Then a year from now some gold digger will be running off with a substantial part of your net worth.

Read read read, practice as much as you can manage and wrap it up friendo if you're not trying to pay child support

[Ringo]

(04-13-2017 12:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

The main reason I'm more interested in marriage is because there are things I value over having sex with as many women as possible.

You don't know that. According to you, you've never had sex. And hunting for a wife while still a virgin is a terrible, terrible idea.

Are you familiar with greenman's thread?

If you're serious, consider doing what he did - skype with some established member and get vetted. There's many guys here who would be willing to help but your stats are too extreme for you story to be believable.

[gework]

(04-13-2017 02:28 PM)Pollito Wrote:  

What's your source for cock thickness statistics? Are you top 1% worldwide or just within your racial phenotype? Did you wrap the measuring tape around the midpoint of the shaft, the knob end, or the base? My johnson has a nice consistent taper, but if you're carrying around a seal club in your drawers the measurement point you use is definitely going to skew your results.

Feel free to enlighten me if there is a problem with these stats:



I don't know what the sample is. I am European (mostly).

I only measured girth for the first time a few days ago, so I am no expert. I am bang on six for girth. I am also pretty consistent. If I have an OK quality erection its thickest about 2/3 up, but if I have a good quality erection it's thickest at the bottom. But not a huge amount of difference either way.

(04-13-2017 02:48 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

Then a year from now some gold digger will be running off with a substantial part of your net worth.

Yeah. This is one thing I am worried about. Though with how I have things structured, it's probably not very likely

(04-13-2017 03:02 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

The main reason I'm more interested in marriage is because there are things I value over having sex with as many women as possible.

You don't know that. According to you, you've never had sex. And hunting for a wife while still a virgin is a terrible, terrible idea.

Are you familiar with greenman's thread?

True. I have no experience in either area. But from what I've read and my desires and my personal beliefs, marriage is my preferred option. I know there would be lots to enjoy with spending time and having sex with a conveyor belt of women, but in everything I do I put a lot of investment in one thing, deffer gratification and go for the long game, where, in my opinion, there are more worthwhile rewards. I don't see happiness at the end of spending the next ten years having sex. I know that a marriage is not going to be non-stop happiness, there are likely to be trials and tribulations and potentially a horrible wife-initiated divorce. I know I need to up my knowledge to potentially help stop the latter happening, but with what I know and want and my goals I am still more interested in marriage.

Reading TheGreeman thread.

[whiteknightrises]

OP if you are serious and would like serious advice, send me a PM

My situation is similar to yours except I am broke and probably not as good looking. Not being able to get girls consumed me for most of my teens/early 20s as I always thought I was decent-looking/should have girls falling into my lap.

FYI - did not lose my virginity until 21 (mid 20s now)

I was also surrounded by women growing up and lost a lot of friends in my quest to get laid. I don't regret it though because I probably would have killed myself if I hadn't figured it out

[Jean Valjean]

(04-12-2017 04:18 PM)Robtormar Wrote:  

IQ above 140. You're a genius Harry!!! A genius!!!

IQ > 145 causes a loss of 1 SMV point.

[Svoboda]

(04-11-2017 09:05 PM)gework Wrote:  

Hi,

I have two main questions:

1) What is a good way about going about being mentored for relationships with women?
2) What would you do in my situation? (pitfalls, pros, opportunities) Outlined below.

My essential stats:

Income: top 0.2% in my developed country of origin, maybe will get into 0.1% this year; self-employed with the ability to have lots of time off (though I don't)
Attractiveness: rated 9.3, 8.9, 9.1 on different sites
Body: recently got back into gear with this, down to about 10% body fat, heading for the rips
Schlong: a good bit above average but nothing to write home about but top 1% of thickness
IQ: above 140
Attraction: I've not been around girls much, but if I am in a club I will get approached, sometimes for straight up sex; occasionally wolf whistled

But:

Girlfriends: essentially zero
Lays: zero

These last two are due to a combination of generally being awful with women, my unsurety as to what to do and that I have spent almost my entire adult life working really long hours. I've only really seriously put thought into sorting my really poor situation with women out in the last year.

My issues with women stem from my family where my father was completely passive and essentially had very little to do with me, even though my parents were married. So I was completely reared by women in my family and women teachers plus all the garbage that is put out by the media. Although I was never told men are specifically bad, for much of my life I thought men were inherently bad and women were their victims. This wasn't something I went spouting like a SJW or anything I held as a cohesive idea. I hadn't even heard the arguments for my latent thoughts on men and women, never mind arguments against. But over time these ideas were chipped away by alternative sources. The biggest sea shift for me was the ascendancy of Donald Trump in early 2016. I can't believe how much my perceptions have changed since he reared the head of unapologetic masculinity into the mainstream. Since then I have lost half of my friends who I've known for half my life. They're all pussy losers, who don't like that I am becoming a striving, unapologetic man. My group of friends has been cut in half, between those that want to cry and blame their problems on others/society and those who are dealing with their shit.

The other big thing that has changed me massively is NoWanks, which I had half-heartedly done in the past, but at the beginning of the year my mind realised that splooging off loads at my computer every day or so is easy and every loser is doing it. And that my easy access to blow loads over the hottest women out there had killed my desire to chase real women. Now I am jacked with testosterone, pretty much every second of my life is different. This has finally brought me to terms with my sexuality, which I have always been ashamed of – that is, I am sexually aggressive and dominant. I want to slam a girl from behind and ask her, “Do you like that thick cock in your pussy, you dirty slut?” Yank her hair and ask her, “Does that bring out the inner bitch in you?” Then pull her by her hair on to her knees and unload a huge load of three-week NoWanks pedigree onto her surprised face. And I won't feel guilty as she slowly sucks me. I'll only feel satisfaction in my conquest of her femininity.

However, I'm not looking for casual sex. I don't place much value on it. If I could get my game together and I spent a month in a city picking up girls; I value the lost work time as about $30,000 plus probably $5,000 in expenses. So it has a $35K price tag. If I am lucky maybe I could pull 6-8 girls. Although it's not something I would do, for that price I could rent a pornstar out for 2 weeks for a five-star holiday and have no-holes-barred sex every night; or line up 3-5 weeks of duo/trio escort liaisons. With where I am at in my life I am more interested in building for the future and not wasting time trying to splooge on random young girls. I am perfectly happy to only have sex with one girl; if anything I think I'd prefer it. What I am looking for is a girl who is as close to 18 as possible, is looking to marry and from whom I will be her source of strength and security and she will be my calming feminine influence. I'd like someone who will let me get on with being the man and giving us a great standard of living and not inject nihilism and feminism into our relationship. I know this means that I will likely need to go to another country as there aren't many 18/19 year old women in the west who are ready to settle down. This isn't much of a problem as I have spent quite a bit of time out of the west.

I've been talking to a guy who does a lot of approaching and he has introduced me to a lot of material, including the notion of mentorship. I just want to get a good grounding from a pro and experience in dealing with women in situations that will make most men uncomfortable. Then I think I'll be ready to find my lady. Probably I will head out to China as I know there are a lot of young, traditional, uber-feminine and girly women there. And they are quite small. I really like the idea of being with a girl who can't really fit my thick cock in her mouth, or at least struggle to.

Rather than finish on that gentlemanly note: what's a good way to look for a mentor in my area?

Could you roughly give a location/area?

I agree with other posters it would be a bad idea to hunt for a wife right now. I don't doubt your ability to attract a good woman, I do doubt your current abbility to sift through the women that aren't virgin snowflake wife material.
Even if you would meet a woman that fits all your expectations, there are complications. You describe having trouble engaging women when you go out, have zero sexual experience and zero relationship experience.
You could meet wife material now, 5 years from now another member will be banging her and she'll complain about her ex (you) that: didn't get her / didn't make her cum / (insert random shit).

[Baphomet]

Does anyone here actually believe that this is not a troll post?

I sure do miss Tuthmosis. At least they posted it in the newbie section, I guess.