[Vladimir Poontang]

OP sounds very immature. Trying too hard. The girl dodged a bullet.

[Baronxrus]

Feeling powerful is weird? Don't you want to feel powerful too? For me at that moment I felt enough was enough. How much more comfort do you need? So for me walking was the best option yes maybe I could of persisted and kept playing some good game blah blah blah.

felt fuck this have better things to do with my time. Maybe was wrong maybe was not.

Remember she told me.she was.dead tired as I was arriving hard to just turn around at that point and time plus she looked well groomed and smelled great didn't read that part buddy?

If you got a chuckle out of it great humor is good for you.

In all I am very appreciative of how honest everyone here is with there opinions may they strong or weak but still some very good advice here.

[Baronxrus]

delete this post. I tried myself but couldn't do it.

[Baronxrus]

(04-05-2017 07:36 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

This is the tragic result of a player meets nice girl.

I like banging nice girls, and happy to be human to them and not demand sex, the eventual bang is much better after a lead up.

I much prefer this to banging a hoe after the first few hours, especially when she is a "box of assorted creams" and oozing other players jizz from last night....

Nice girl hahaha come on buddy. If you think women are nice and gentle flowers you have another thing coming to you.

[Dalaran1991]

^She is probably nicer than most girl.

No one said girls are angelic creatures. But some are more pleasant to be around than others.
You seem to still be hanging on the anger/entitlement phase.
Everyday I see girls acting nice and gentle with the guys they love, while being complete bitches to the losers.

Nevermind that one screening techniques for LTR material, is that you push as far as you can for the bang, and she resists but it is clear that she likes you. Not because she likes playing game, but because she is less promiscuous.

She was tired and yet still went to meet you, and she came dolled up.
Consider that the average girl will not even show up and then send you a text a day later "OMG I was sooooooooo sorry I overslept".
That in my book makes her a rather decent girl.
Assuming she is indeed a decent girl next door type, and she wanted to bang you, you gave her zero credible deniability.

No loss there anyway, thousand of girls in NYC.

And Kaotic preaching on fire here man!

[Baronxrus]

(04-06-2017 10:53 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

^She is probably nicer than most girl.

No one said girls are angelic creatures. But some are more pleasant to be around than others.
You seem to still be hanging on the anger/entitlement phase.
Everyday I see girls acting nice and gentle with the guys they love, while being complete bitches to the losers.

Nevermind that one screening techniques for LTR material, is that you push as far as you can for the bang, and she resists but it is clear that she likes you. Not because she likes playing game, but because she is less promiscuous.

She was tired and yet still went to meet you, and she came dolled up.
Consider that the average girl will not even show up and then send you a text a day later "OMG I was sooooooooo sorry I overslept".
That in my book makes her a rather decent girl.
Assuming she is indeed a decent girl next door type, and she wanted to bang you, you gave her zero credible deniability.

No loss there anyway, thousand of girls in NYC.

And Kaotic preaching on fire here man!

A well put together constructive post.

[PapayaTapper]

This thread reminds me of the parable of the two bulls

A young bull (YB) and and older bull (OB) walking together crest a hill and look down at a large herd of cows. YB gets super excited and says

YB "Holy shit look at all that pussy! I'm going to run down there and fuck me one of them cows!" He takes off running but halfway down the hill he turns to see that OB is just casually strolling down. So YB stops turns around goes back and

YB "What are you doing? Don't you want to run down there and fuck one of them cows?"

OB "Nope"

YB "Huhh...Why not?"

OB still strolling along eyes down the hill casually says

OB "Because I'd rather walk down there and fuck em all"

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(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)Baronxrus Wrote:  

Nice girl hahaha come on buddy. If you think women are nice and gentle flowers you have another thing coming to you.

OP

Only the uninitiated here don't understand the true nature of women.

The part of your story that keeps calling my attention is the fact that you say "I ditched her and went and fucked the next chick"(sic).

If this is true then you came here to gloat about your ditching the girl in the story. That's your "victory"? Shouldn't the story be about your "success" with the other girl?

Somethings amiss. Either your story or your perspective. If it's the latter then I hope you will find something unexpected on this forum

[syrianguy]

I find OP's post very relatable. I have encountered the same dilemma before and honestly I would have done the same if I were in his shoes considering it is a second date. My goal is sex and, while I can feint emotional connection, I simply don't have the drive to keep the game going for 3 or 4 dates. In today dating scene that's a very long time, there is always a horny girl one swipe away. This kind of girl is better suited for a non-game guy who is going to take her to the cottage/hiking and date her for 2 years.

OP could have closed better by giving plausible deniability and could have persisted but some girls are set in stone about not giving the pussy away easily while others will go along whatever you suggest. That's fine after all the world needs more traditional woman but it is just not my target audience. The best she could hope with guys like myself and OP is to be a booty call in the rotation and that would break girls like this.

[kaotic]

Baronxrus you've got to pull back, Papaya is right, this isn't a victory/sucess and this isn't empowering or gloating.

The immediate read was frustration and a "whatever, fuck that bitch".

Syrianguy does bring up a good point, this kind of girl is definitely better suited for another guy.

So it's probably a good thing - she clearly wants more than what you want to offer her.

Honestly, you still could've gotten the bang if you had pulled back just a bit, BUT, you aren't really one to hang around and not be able to bang after a couple dates.

[Ringo]

^ Agreed. OP posted to gloat but all I read is weak game.

You shouldn't have made out with her at the bar on date #2. Have you read the First Date Bang Recipe?

She said she was tired. If I was dead set on getting the bang on date #2, I would have cancelled. By going, you assume there's at least a chance you won't be scoring, just setting the scene for a possible dinner at home for #3 or whatever.

I actually read her behavior as her being on her period - she was dressed up and willing to meet, but needed a plausible excuse not to go home with you. Plus all she signs to wanting more comfort and tenderness (so much more common when the girl is on her period), both during the date and on the messages on the day after.

When a girl says she's not going home with you, don't ever double down and give her the all or nothing option. If you ask her for a chip and she says "no", how can you ask for the whole bag? That's crass. You should have pulled back, waited a while and tried again, just like when you get a face turn when going for a kiss. Or don't even say anything, just leave the bar with her later on and starting heading to your place.

This girl was dying to bang you, you could have banged any other day (maybe even that day) with proper game.

Did you meet her online? Because there's a dissonance between what she's interested in and what you want out of her.

[Baronxrus]

Again amazing incite and advice from the veterans on here. I am very impressed on how constructive everyone is here.

I have been lurking for a long time on this forum always hesitant to make an actual account alas to say not disappointed by making one. Some very smart people here.

btw the plot thickens again she has sent me text as follows.

Said she can see me Sunday. Another chance at cracking this enigma.

[kaotic]

Ringo's breakdown is great, he's absolutely right.

She clearly still wants you - now it's basically don't fuck up game.

If you think she's attractive and cool, then play it cool.

You have a TON of advice on what you should be doing, it's up to you to channel this into your next date !

[PapayaTapper]

(04-06-2017 12:52 PM)Baronxrus Wrote:  

Again amazing incite and advice from the veterans on here. I am very impressed on how constructive everyone is here.

I have been lurking for a long time on this forum always hesitant to make an actual account alas to say not disappointed by making one. Some very smart people here.

btw the plot thickens again she has sent me text as follows.

Said she can see me Sunday. Another chance at cracking this enigma.

(04-06-2017 11:22 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

OB "Because I'd rather walk down there and fuck em all"

You will find a fair amount of "hate" spouted towards women on this forum. You will also find that it's primarily from those that have been less successful with them and therefore frustrated and confounded by their nature.

Personally I don't blame their bad behavior on their nature. They are rather themselves mostly unknowing victims of modern society's "success" in diminishing their "need" for men in the traditional sense and the subsequent deformity of their nature into "bad" behavior modern society has enabled. In many ways I pity them because for many they never learn how they've been deceived. The one's that do it's often too late

So we play the hand we're dealt. Some play the game better than others

Using their nature to get what you want doesn't require real hatred of them as individuals. Being "Alpha" doesn't mean not caring about them as individuals. Actively treating them badly less so.

The better way to play is to understand that nature and embrace it.

This girl is still attracted to you. Maybe even more so now. Do you know "Why"? Hint: It has nothing to do with you)

The world like women as a whole is full of both the shitty and the wonderful. You choose (consciously or unconsciously) which lens to see it through, and filter for. Personally I chose the latter because I know enough of the former will get through anyway.

YB "Hey Cow wanna fuck? No...well then fuck you bitch... next!" That's a pretty shitty.

That's letting the game win

OB "I really really want to fuck you honey and I know how but I really really won't care if I don't get to " That's what OB is thinking (and living) as he methodically fucks more of those cows and gets more out of each fuck

That's Alpha. That's winning

[General Stalin]

(04-06-2017 10:20 AM)Baronxrus Wrote:  

Nice girl hahaha come on buddy. If you think women are nice and gentle flowers you have another thing coming to you.

(04-06-2017 10:53 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

^She is probably nicer than most girl.

No one said girls are angelic creatures. But some are more pleasant to be around than others.
You seem to still be hanging on the anger/entitlement phase.
Everyday I see girls acting nice and gentle with the guys they love, while being complete bitches to the losers.

Nevermind that one screening techniques for LTR material, is that you push as far as you can for the bang, and she resists but it is clear that she likes you. Not because she likes playing game, but because she is less promiscuous.

She was tired and yet still went to meet you, and she came dolled up.
Consider that the average girl will not even show up and then send you a text a day later "OMG I was sooooooooo sorry I overslept".
That in my book makes her a rather decent girl.
Assuming she is indeed a decent girl next door type, and she wanted to bang you, you gave her zero credible deniability.

No loss there anyway, thousand of girls in NYC.

And Kaotic preaching on fire here man!

Not to derail the topic of helping OP get past his game hiccups, but I'd like to bring up something Dalaran touched upon here.

A lot of the AWALT preaching here can certainly be taken to far. In a basal sense, all women are alike and that they want/like/desire/appreciate the same things, but not all women are sluts.

Women are not all brought up in the exact same households in the exact same environments with the exact same friends and family structure. There are certainly tons of women out their who covet their sexuality more selective and appreciative with men.

Many men get tangled up with a loser female or two and they get bitter and disheartened about all women. It's common and some may even say necessary to go through this phase, but it is very important to come out of it with a clearer and more realistic picture of women and relationships. One should not have high expectations, but one should also not have low expectations. We all should strive for realistic expectations.

If all you want is to run through a bunch of sluts, then don't shame women who are not sluts. Just kindly let them pass on to find a man that provides what she is looking for. Conversely, don't get mad at a slut for being a slut - if you are trying to find a wife and mother of your future children then learn to be smarter about how you invest your time and energy and what qualities to look out for.

[cascadecombo]

Khaotics post was enough to get me to keep reading, from I'm also thinking OP is acting with a bit of general resentment or is a troll.

[brick tamland]

Quote:

btw the plot thickens again she has sent me text as follows. Said she can see me Sunday. Another chance at cracking this enigma.

She's still entitled to refuse to bang. What would you do then? Unless you've been conciliatory and stroked her ego, telling her you were wrong and she's right, if she's not a slut she'd be weird for wanting to bang you after you've thrown your toys and held her to ransom on the previous date. Without you making compromises since her long text. I think she would instinctively know, there'd likely be no relationship that could result from such an off kilter dynamic. What if a relationship is her intended payoff. Then you've started on a bad note.

Unless you're a real catch, like a male 8/10 or a mergers and acquisitions banker?

Something doesn't add up here.

[Mufasa]

(04-06-2017 08:07 PM)brick tamland Wrote:  

Quote:

btw the plot thickens again she has sent me text as follows. Said she can see me Sunday. Another chance at cracking this enigma.

She's still entitled to refuse to bang. What would you do then? Unless you've been conciliatory and stroked her ego, telling her you were wrong and she's right, if she's not a slut she'd be weird for wanting to bang you after you've thrown your toys and held her to ransom on the previous date. Without you making compromises since her long text. I think she would instinctively know, there'd likely be no relationship that could result from such an off kilter dynamic. What if a relationship is her intended payoff. Then you've started on a bad note.

Unless you're a real catch, like a male 8/10 or a mergers and acquisitions banker?

Something doesn't add up here.

Maybe not. I think theres a silver lining to this. Were looking at the rainbow and forgetting the pot of gold. He has set the frame that he's not going to waste his time without some P in the V. And she has made herself available knowing his rules. Try to get to know her while still being sexually aggressive and after the lay give her a chance to prove her worth beyond her pussy (or pretend to). This will allow her to catch a glimpse of your soft side that she previously thought she was not privy to.

[Rawmeo]

We call this "fuck you game". It's essentially a game used by people of higher standing where they use the "you wanna fuck or leave?". It might work for men who are on the top of the SMV scale, but for gents on the lower spectrum, it might backfire and trigger this kind of situation.

IMO, try your game harder - if you have made no kino with the girl, it can be compared to taking a stranger on the streets and offering the "bang or leave" option.

Anyway if she gives you another date, take it, but don't fuck up. Run proper game and you'll likely get it.

[Merenguero]

(04-05-2017 12:21 PM)Baronxrus Wrote:  

My own way not to purchase drinks.

That's all I needed to read. You blew it, and not in the way you were hoping.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-06-2017 12:36 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

^ Agreed. OP posted to gloat but all I read is weak game.

You shouldn't have made out with her at the bar on date #2. Have you read the First Date Bang Recipe?

She said she was tired. If I was dead set on getting the bang on date #2, I would have cancelled. By going, you assume there's at least a chance you won't be scoring, just setting the scene for a possible dinner at home for #3 or whatever.

I actually read her behavior as her being on her period - she was dressed up and willing to meet, but needed a plausible excuse not to go home with you. Plus all she signs to wanting more comfort and tenderness (so much more common when the girl is on her period), both during the date and on the messages on the day after.

When a girl says she's not going home with you, don't ever double down and give her the all or nothing option. If you ask her for a chip and she says "no", how can you ask for the whole bag? That's crass. You should have pulled back, waited a while and tried again, just like when you get a face turn when going for a kiss. Or don't even say anything, just leave the bar with her later on and starting heading to your place.

This girl was dying to bang you, you could have banged any other day (maybe even that day) with proper game.

Did you meet her online? Because there's a dissonance between what she's interested in and what you want out of her.

Agreed. OP - you botched up a sure bang by being a premature dick.

She was likely on her period or truly tired, but since she was into you, it is your loss.

Also her text clearly shows that she might have liked you enough to be a deeply converted sex-slave to you. My bet is that she was truly tired/on period and would have banged you anyway on date 2 if it had been one of her horny days.

Another reason why she was slightly more coy with you is because she liked you more and would have wanted a LTR with you. But it was probably more the timing than this.

99,99% you could have fucked her on Date 3 or a rescheduled Date 2.

I certainly had sometimes ironclad LMRs in the past - even pulled the girl to the hotel on Date 1, made out, but she did not want to pull down her pants. Usually those cases turned out to be something like her being on the period and not wanting to bang the first time while being on the rag. Or it was sometimes an even dumber reason - a girl not intending to bang and not shaving her legs (yes - some girls are like that thinking that not shaving her legs will keep her legs close - and in a way it does, but not for a lack of desire on her part).

Either way - you need more Game, more experience with women, real understanding that sometimes a girl can be super-wet and horny for you and still walk away for a variety of reasons (rag, LMR, good-girl-hesitation, thinking that you are a Player and will bang and leave etc., wants you for deep boyfriend not fuckboi).

[Rekk'd]

More like make yourself believe you feel powerful

[thebassist]

Despite the varying levels of harshness in the criticism in this thread, I'm glad you're reacting well OP. Most newbies (especially in the game section) are given a tough time starting out to weed out the trolls, and you seem to be handling things well. Everyone makes some mistakes starting out, that's why we have places like this forum to get you back on the right track.

Hopefully things will still work out with this chick, if not, next!

[Dalaran1991]

I actually think OP will get a second chance with this girl. Whether or not he should is another matter.

I dont know the context but as posted above, her behaviors show that at least she is a rather polite and decent person, showing up on date with proper respect. Which in NYC is a big green flag.

After the date ended she wrote a long ass text, but again there's nothing bitchy or entitled in her text. It's actually rather reasonable given the situation, quite typical of a well-mannered girl. But she would never have sent that text if she wasn't deeply attracted to the OP.

OP certainly did behave like a bull in heat, but thats not the worst. The worst is behaving like a nice guy loser. Remember that girls rarely punishes boldness, only cowardice. At least OP was honest, and she evidently appreciates that in her text.

Proof? She wanted to meet again.

About half of the girls I dated are like this and it makes the game very pleasant. I wish all of them act with this kind of decency.

But again, OP is in NYC like I am in Paris. If he isn't looking for a girlfriend it's not worth it. Next girl is right round the corner.

[Zerdame]

OP, Im not sure if you can pull off boyfriend game but that is my primary way of setting up dates. I always make things romantic, its just my thing. There isnt an exact formula list but physical gestures includes kisses on the forehead and staring into her eyes until she ask you whats up, at this point you smile and say nothing and look away. Shit like that.

I don't do this with club rats but if I know its a girl who's the average sweet girl next door, I normally go in this approach. It works for me most of the time and I think it build comforts relatively fast too. Alot of the veterans here have been dropping nuggets of advice which are all golden for improving. This is just my perspective on how you could possibly get the bang, hope it goes well for you.

[Delta]

OP in 5 years- "Women are all worthless sluts, it's impossible to find a good girl."