[BlueResolute]

(05-27-2018 05:23 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

What really convinced me that this is a scam is the video by Millennial Woes where he tries to arrange an interview with JP and gets absolutely no response. It's clear at this point that aside from denouncing the alt right with correct thoughts on twitter, JP will not have anything to do with them or even allow himself to be seen interacting with them, which would explain him getting Faith Goldy kicked from that talk. The only reason for this is that he needs to keep the accusations of him being alt right very obviously slanderous in order to maintain the book sales and donations from the normies that recoil when they see some guy with a shaved head and a memento mori on his bookshelf talk about white genocide on youtube.

I'd like to counter this point for a second. You say JP has these controversies set up out in the open, left there so he could keep himself in the public eye.

If that's the case, can you explain what the following video was, and do you believe even during this, he was, as you say, following a scam?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-27-2018 03:40 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

...
Here's what I consider to be a reasonable question:

Who do you consider to NOT be controlled and approved opposition?

On that list I'd probably put Snowden, Greenwald, Assange, etc. There's a few on the right who havent' been aggressively deplatformed but I very highly doubt people think Roosh and other pick up artist types moved into politics are particularly big threats.
...

You don't seem to understand the purpose of deplatforming people, shadowbanning them and generally diminishing their voice in society. The very reason you don't see those leaders is because what the elite are doing is actually very effective.

As the saying goes, you don't have to be faster than the lion, you just have to be faster than the guy next to you.

Well in the case of guys like Roosh the elites operate on a simple principle. We don't have to silence Roosh entirely. Only enough that his voice is drowned out in a sea of fuckwits like Spencer.

You say Roosh is no big threat, but they've gone to extreme lengths to silence him. The ROK meetings? Harrased into oblivion. Youtube access? Gone. Digital payment services? Gone. You think that's a coincidence?

Meanwhile, "right wing" grade buffoons with large followings are allowed to sow discord with impunity. They not only get to keep their digital platforms but they get media time.

You're putting the cart before the horse. "Pick from the popular buffoons" you say, not understanding that the elites have worked very hard to make sure the non-buffoons never have a chance to become popular.

This is the sympathy I have for Roosh, because it must be extremely frustrating to feel the hand of oppression push you down while safe-space charlatans like Peterson have a rocket shoved up their ass.

Why is Roosh shut down while Peterson is put up against second rate mental lightweights on national television?

Needless to say Roosh is probably right to let it all slide. If they've gone this far to suppress him then they'd go much further still. But if he went the other direction and started a political following that reached into the real world then he would have my full real world support, such as it were.

Why? It's ironic.

Unlike Peterson, Roosh tells the truth, or at least doesn't lie.

[Labienus]

(05-27-2018 09:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Also here's something to ponder for those of you advocating how this needs to be a "white identity movement".

You're posting this on a community created by a Middle Eastern man. Are you seriously going to go ahead and tell Roosh that he's not welcome to be a part of the movement? What about Atlanta man, Cobra, all the other contributors on here who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it?

Nah that's not necessary and too radical. A good model to follow would be Singapore where they keep a strong Chinese majority (76%) through governmental policies.

I don't think most here would object with having Canada, Australia and the USA with ~80% white majorities (it's too late though).

Europe is a different matter though, should be more like Japan (95%+).

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-27-2018 09:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Also here's something to ponder for those of you advocating how this needs to be a "white identity movement".

You're posting this on a community created by a Middle Eastern man. Are you seriously going to go ahead and tell Roosh that he's not welcome to be a part of the movement? What about Atlanta man, Cobra, all the other contributors on here who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it?

Those of you following this line of argument very obviously don't actually believe it because you're still here, on this site, posting on boards belonging to one of those genetically inferior low IQ race people.

Can you please unfuck yourself?

This forum is not a movement, else tell me what it's moving.

We are engaging in policital punditry.

Do us all a favour and take your left wing virtue signalling shame talk for a long walk off a short pier.

Commenting on political groups does not infer total support of said political groups. Unbunch your fucking panties.

The only people I know who want to cater to feelings rather than facts are women or men who act like them. It's why our societies have become fucked in the first place.

[GoingTheDistance]

(05-27-2018 09:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Also here's something to ponder for those of you advocating how this needs to be a "white identity movement".

You're posting this on a community created by a Middle Eastern man. Are you seriously going to go ahead and tell Roosh that he's not welcome to be a part of the movement? What about Atlanta man, Cobra, all the other contributors on here who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it?

Those of you following this line of argument very obviously don't actually believe it because you're still here, on this site, posting on boards belonging to one of those genetically inferior low IQ race people.

Easy, demographic trends are pointing towards whites becoming minorities in the USA and the UK by the end of the century.

Mainland Europe is becoming less and less white at a startling pace.

Ethnic Europeans have the most recessive genes in the world. Colored people are a majority. Whites are a minority.

There is more of a single ethnicity (Hans Chinese) than there is of an entire race around the whole world (whites; all ethnic Europeans combined). Think about that.

This is a numbers game. Because of demographics alone, there are bound to be billions of non-whites "who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America/Europe and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it."

If we let them all in, the West as we know it is no more. I'm not saying that's for better or for worse. But for example, Europe is not Europe without ethnic Europeans no matter how traditional somebody is.

You don't have to go far back in history to see how much demographics matter.

I don't know what the Australian Aboriginal word for the continent of Australia is and Google isn't being helpful, so let's just say it's "Land of Heat".

Land of Heat is no longer Aboriginal. It's not and the demographics will almost certainly ensure that Land of Heat will never become Aboriginal again. It would not matter if every single snowflake white Australian learned the Aboriginal language, religion and customs. That would still not make it Aboriginal.

The reason a lot of people post on this board is because Roosh took a political turn when he released his "Free Speech Isn't Free" book. That drove a different audience here along with the political content that was produced on his sites for a while.

Therefore, many people come to the forum of a Middle Eastern man because this is pretty much the only place where you can intellectually discuss these topics without being banned or having the conversation degenerate into pointless racial slurs that achieve nothing.

There's nowhere else to go for free speech that goes against the mainstream narrative, this should not be hard to understand Easy.

Finally, your comment is once again not separating the macro discussions from the individual level. Something that minority posters on RVF living in The West have a bad habit of doing.

On the flip side, I never see this line of thinking on the RVF with white forum members living in Non-Western parts of the world where they can not separate the macro from the micro when it comes to discussions like these.

Also, nobody is saying someone like a Roosh or AtlantaMan can't be part of a movement that supports keeping white people a stark majority. AtlantaMan obviously likes white girls and likes being around white people. Roosh, based on where he chooses to live, obviously likes white people too but besides that, he is for all intents and purposes white himself.

If non-whites like AtlantaMan and whites like Roosh like living around white people, it would be in their best interests to vote in policies in which whites stay the majority.

Whether you want to call that a "white identity movement" or not is up to you Easy_C. But you know damn well that "white identity movements" are stained and leave a bad taste in people's mouths based on the Western mythos created after World War Two and a touchy racial history here in the USA.

I want to point out something else. A lot of people make fun of the individuals that the media likes to parade around as "white nationalist". You know who I'm talking about, the jobless individual who doesn't have much going on for him in his life for one reason or another.

Do you want to know what a white ethno-state looks like?

Go to Montana, North Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, West Virginia, Maine or Vermont.

Yeah I can already see the West Virginia jokes coming, but seriously, this is what a stark white majority state looks like. Sure, there are problems, and yeah West Virginia is certainly an outlier, but are any of these states that bad to live in? Are crimes that bad in these states? Is life that bad in these states?

The media has created a boogyman for what it would be like to live in an all white area, when there are countless examples showing that trustworthy and great communities are created in white only areas. Honestly, if the non-whites spread out more in the USA (of which there is more then enough room for), I'm positive that those same types of homogeneous black only or Asian only areas would become trustworthy and great communities as well.

It's ok to live in a homogeneous community.

I'll end it with this point:

The best thing that people who like to live around white people can do is vote in anti-immigrant and pro-white politicians. Because eventually Easy, if we get to a point where you have 3 or 4 different races or ethnicities in a region, state or country vying for power and for control, things will end very badly when (not if) shit hits the fan. Because here in the USA and increasingly more in parts of Europe, people tribalize around race or ethnicity.

So when shit hits the fan and lines are drawn along race or ethnicity during times of war, then non whites like AtlantaMan and Cobra who like living around whites aren't going to have a choice of whether they want to to live around whites or not. They will simply be kicked out with no fucks given and vice versa to the whites living in non-white majority areas.

Please see what happened less than a century ago during the post World War One and World War Two eras, where civilian populations were deported to create the ethno-states that are still in existence to this day in Europe.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-27-2018 09:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Also here's something to ponder for those of you advocating how this needs to be a "white identity movement".

You're posting this on a community created by a Middle Eastern man. Are you seriously going to go ahead and tell Roosh that he's not welcome to be a part of the movement? What about Atlanta man, Cobra, all the other contributors on here who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it?

Those of you following this line of argument very obviously don't actually believe it because you're still here, on this site, posting on boards belonging to one of those genetically inferior low IQ race people.

Can't you liberate yourself from the stupid mainstream Nazi indoctrination?

I can be a Japanese nationalist supporting their right to remain intrinsically Japanese while living among them. I don't need or want to become a fucking MAJORITY and dominate their culture.

Besides - there is no "movement" and there is no "super-race" here that is White. The idea that the West shall remain White dominated is not supremacy - this is frankly fucking infuriating - like discussing common sense with a SJW.

+ "You love Japan?"
- "Yes - great culture."
+ "I would love for Japan to exist in 2200, so that they are not becoming a minority in their own country."
- "Yes of course, that would be sad."
+ "I would also love for Britain, Sweden and Germany to remain British, Swedish, Germans - so that their culture is alive in 2200."
-"That is so fucking racist! You misogynist piece of Nazi!!! The West is for everyone and there are no native Brits!"

And there is no fucking Pure-White-Movement here. It's tantamount to sitting down with Roosh and Atlanta man over drinks and saying - "I would love for an Octoberfest and German culture to exist in 50 years." Then everyone nodding and also hoping for blonde German girls to exist.

Jeez - the globalists have really done a number on folk equating EVERYTHING THAT WANTS TO PRESERVE THE OLD WESTERN CULTURE AS INSTANTLY GENOCIDAL GAS-CHAMBER BUILDING! The Japanese have strict immigration policies for anyone who is not very useful or has money. The Japanese are not exterminating me in gas chambers just because I am living there!

[fokker]

RockingMrE (a Welsh political commentator) did a video about Peterson, Candice Owens and Ben Shapiro:

In it, he explains why (in his opinion) they're controlled opposition.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-28-2018 03:57 AM)fokker Wrote:  

RockingMrE (a Welsh political commentator) did a video about Peterson, Candice Owens and Ben Shapiro:

In it, he explains why (in his opinion) they're controlled opposition.

That's a fantastic vid - especially telling in the end when JP is asked whether Jews could do another Bolshevik genocide on Christian Whites as in Russia and Ukraine. He is visibly shaken and walks away, but then refuses to answer.

This pic is also telling:



Nice trying to slay any kind of nationalism and even biological intrinsic behavior of babies - because that is what race-based behavioral patterns are based upon.

[Easy_C]

(05-27-2018 10:04 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 03:40 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

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Here's what I consider to be a reasonable question:

Who do you consider to NOT be controlled and approved opposition?

On that list I'd probably put Snowden, Greenwald, Assange, etc. There's a few on the right who havent' been aggressively deplatformed but I very highly doubt people think Roosh and other pick up artist types moved into politics are particularly big threats.
...

You don't seem to understand the purpose of deplatforming people, shadowbanning them and generally diminishing their voice in society. The very reason you don't see those leaders is because what the elite are doing is actually very effective.

As the saying goes, you don't have to be faster than the lion, you just have to be faster than the guy next to you.

Well in the case of guys like Roosh the elites operate on a simple principle. We don't have to silence Roosh entirely. Only enough that his voice is drowned out in a sea of fuckwits like Spencer.

You say Roosh is no big threat, but they've gone to extreme lengths to silence him. The ROK meetings? Harrased into oblivion. Youtube access? Gone. Digital payment services? Gone. You think that's a coincidence?

Meanwhile, "right wing" grade buffoons with large followings are allowed to sow discord with impunity. They not only get to keep their digital platforms but they get media time.

You're putting the cart before the horse. "Pick from the popular buffoons" you say, not understanding that the elites have worked very hard to make sure the non-buffoons never have a chance to become popular.

This is the sympathy I have for Roosh, because it must be extremely frustrating to feel the hand of oppression push you down while safe-space charlatans like Peterson have a rocket shoved up their ass.

Why is Roosh shut down while Peterson is put up against second rate mental lightweights on national television?

Needless to say Roosh is probably right to let it all slide. If they've gone this far to suppress him then they'd go much further still. But if he went the other direction and started a political following that reached into the real world then he would have my full real world support, such as it were.

Why? It's ironic.

Unlike Peterson, Roosh tells the truth, or at least doesn't lie.

Sometimes it isn't because they actually think someone is a threat.

If they thought this was actually a threat, I Guaran-damn-tee you that this forum wouldn't still be online. Roosh also hasn't been subjected to border arrests, warrantless SWAT raids, and such the way people they actually view as a threat experience.

I think the most likely reason these things got targeted is because of some of the old ROK trolling articles they knew would make it easy to stir up a hysteria over "rape advocacy" and help radicalize feminist even further while also demonizing male gatherings as cesspools of those horrible rapists and creepy pick up artists.

Basically, it was an opportune time to ramp up the narrative and it wasn't missed.


Besides which you should probably think twice about how "If Roosh were to lead a political movement I'd support him", seeing as how you've been advocating for a white political movement and Roosh isn't white.

[Easy_C]

(05-28-2018 02:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 09:20 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Also here's something to ponder for those of you advocating how this needs to be a "white identity movement".

You're posting this on a community created by a Middle Eastern man. Are you seriously going to go ahead and tell Roosh that he's not welcome to be a part of the movement? What about Atlanta man, Cobra, all the other contributors on here who absolutely love the traditional values associated with the old-school America and who are willing to do a lot to stand up for it?

Those of you following this line of argument very obviously don't actually believe it because you're still here, on this site, posting on boards belonging to one of those genetically inferior low IQ race people.

Can't you liberate yourself from the stupid mainstream Nazi indoctrination?

I can be a Japanese nationalist supporting their right to remain intrinsically Japanese while living among them. I don't need or want to become a fucking MAJORITY and dominate their culture.

Besides - there is no "movement" and there is no "super-race" here that is White. The idea that the West shall remain White dominated is not supremacy - this is frankly fucking infuriating - like discussing common sense with a SJW.

+ "You love Japan?"
- "Yes - great culture."
+ "I would love for Japan to exist in 2200, so that they are not becoming a minority in their own country."
- "Yes of course, that would be sad."
+ "I would also love for Britain, Sweden and Germany to remain British, Swedish, Germans - so that their culture is alive in 2200."
-"That is so fucking racist! You misogynist piece of Nazi!!! The West is for everyone and there are no native Brits!"

And there is no fucking Pure-White-Movement here. It's tantamount to sitting down with Roosh and Atlanta man over drinks and saying - "I would love for an Octoberfest and German culture to exist in 50 years." Then everyone nodding and also hoping for blonde German girls to exist.

Jeez - the globalists have really done a number on folk equating EVERYTHING THAT WANTS TO PRESERVE THE OLD WESTERN CULTURE AS INSTANTLY GENOCIDAL GAS-CHAMBER BUILDING! The Japanese have strict immigration policies for anyone who is not very useful or has money. The Japanese are not exterminating me in gas chambers just because I am living there!

Stop being an idiot and strawmanning like an SJW nutjob. Simply because I don't think trying to turn this into a "white" movement is a retarded idea doesn't mean I buy into the bullshit liars like you try to pin on me.

I'm responding to people directly on here who are arguing that this movement has to be a white movement because Nationalist movements don't work.

Besides which COLOR ISN'T A RACE. It's just the 20th century Marxists who push that line. Even as recently as the middle of last century national ethnicity was far more important to people's identity than was this stupid bullshit we have now.

The track record on this is pretty fucking clear. numerous national identity movements have been succeeding. The "white" movements have been getting fucking crushed because, to borrow Roosh's words, they "attract degenerates" who undermine the entire cause. Hell the alt-right has been down this road and every time the movement veers to being about race instead of being about CULTURE you start getting the fucking Omegas and Nazi LARPer types showing up.

That needs to be the issue. Turn this into an argument about how you're losing "white culture" and you'll get destroyed every time because that's the way it's been going. Make this an argument about a return to greatness and protecting Western Culture and you win.

[The Catalyst]

It's interesting. As a libertarian I do think individualism is amazing. However you have to have some level of K selected in-group loyalty or you'll be picked apart. The standard political way to do this is nationalism, although if there's a better way it seems almost a no-brainer to do that.

The disadvantage with focusing on race is then nitpicking about who's white or whatever which is obviously counterproductive.

The disadvantage with not focusing on race is you ignore truths about the world and allow yourself to be subverted by foreigners.

(I believe I'm roughly paraphrasing someone else's post, but I can't remember exactly)

[Easy_C]

That's why borders are necessary. It allows you to ensure that society isn't disrupted in a negative direction, and to ensure that you don't bring on parasites who kill the host.

Probably the best way to do this is the way that pre-SJW Norway and New Zealand did, where you had to demonstrate skills in a shortage area and either demonstrate proficiency in the language or start taking classes immediately upon landing.

It works because the freeloaders are generally not willing to do either of those things, and it controls the numbers because you only address shortages so you get educated people coming in, in small enough numbers that it doesn't disrupt the existing culture.


You can kinda see the difference in some places around the world. For example, Germany has some old neighborhoods where there are a small cliques of old-school Turkish immigrants. Never had a problem with them because most of them came in at a different time where they were expected to become German and they are by and large very sociable, can speak the language fluently, and generally were very polite. The immigrant camp down the next town over though...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-28-2018 05:25 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

That's why borders are necessary. It allows you to ensure that society isn't disrupted in a negative direction, and to ensure that you don't bring on parasites who kill the host.

Probably the best way to do this is the way that pre-SJW Norway and New Zealand did, where you had to demonstrate skills in a shortage area and either demonstrate proficiency in the language or start taking classes immediately upon landing.

It works because the freeloaders are generally not willing to do either of those things, and it controls the numbers because you only address shortages so you get educated people coming in, in small enough numbers that it doesn't disrupt the existing culture.


You can kinda see the difference in some places around the world. For example, Germany has some old neighborhoods where there are a small cliques of old-school Turkish immigrants. Never had a problem with them because most of them came in at a different time where they were expected to become German and they are by and large very sociable, can speak the language fluently, and generally were very polite. The immigrant camp down the next town over though...

You are deluded - they barely integrated and after 3 generations most constitute an eternal underclass:

The majority of the so-called integration was based on economics - they worked, they got paid in the low-tier jobs. And now as the jobs dried up and there are no sufficient ones left for their grandchildren, then they are back to being good Islamists.

Anyone who witnessed what 50%+ of German-born Turk-dominated schools are knows that the experiment largely failed. Integrating largely 85-IQ Anatolia immigrants in a 100-IQ German state was doomed to fail - even with the exceptions valid.

You might as well start screaming racist Nazi at me like some SJW.

You might want to read some texts by a son of Turkish immigrant couple - Akif Pirinicci: https://der-kleine-akif.de/

Google translate works well enough there - but that guy is a genius-level intellectual and has encompassed the German spirit better than the most Germans now. Though he has no idiotic racism screams contrary to you - also he does not invoke any Whites unite. That part is even automatically understood to be part of it since it's not all immigrants he has a problem with.

But go ahead - and follow the Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro thinking. You will find soon enough how Western culture will remain Western while Canada is 20% white by 2100.


"I believe in equality."

Also your examples of "White Nationalism" is always failing is bullshit. All the Western countries including the settling of Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand were based on "White Nationalism". From a historical viewpoing only immigration in the last 40 years with increased strength in the last 20 years was under the postmodernist lense. The Turkish immigration to Germany was even called as a failure by Merkel despite them mostly not being overly aggressive.

So fuck off with your "white-nationalism" is failing. Let's talk again in 50 years, because communism itself also looked good 20-30 years down the line. It takes a while to show the people that it was shit. And also bugger off with your elite-fake-alternative created movements of some Nazi larpers and Alt-Right-marchers. Jared Taylor's view will still be valid, though too late to do anything about it in 50 years. The globalists are going to stamp out any pro-white movement instantly - about as realistic as starting an anti-usury party - they would rather kill all the leadership in strange accidents before letting them even talk on TV even once.

And no one is going to spearhead any "white nationalist" movement or expects Roosh to do it. I support Japan's immigration policy and "racist Japanese nationalism", but I would never spearhead it even if I could - that would be stupid.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-28-2018 05:00 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

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Besides which you should probably think twice about how "If Roosh were to lead a political movement I'd support him", seeing as how you've been advocating for a white political movement and Roosh isn't white.

You're a liar and a troll, shallow, pathetic and desperate for nothing more than to score internet points.

Intellectual trash.

Fuck off back to your Peterson safe space thread.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-28-2018 05:14 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

It's interesting. As a libertarian I do think individualism is amazing. However you have to have some level of K selected in-group loyalty or you'll be picked apart. The standard political way to do this is nationalism, although if there's a better way it seems almost a no-brainer to do that.

The disadvantage with focusing on race is then nitpicking about who's white or whatever which is obviously counterproductive.

The disadvantage with not focusing on race is you ignore truths about the world and allow yourself to be subverted by foreigners.

(I believe I'm roughly paraphrasing someone else's post, but I can't remember exactly)

I might as well post an observation here that I made in private earlier.

People thinking the white nationalists are simply hostile, anti-nonwhite bigots are missing the larger picture. The new younger crop of white nationalists are markably different from the old ones in terms of their typical lifestyle, locations, educations, age, job descriptions, etc and yet nobody really bothers to ask why.

The reason for this (I believe) is that white nationalism is no longer an expression of what some people believe is a "best practice" model of politics.

At this point white nationalism is mostly an instinctual reaction to the sense that white people no longer control their nations to the degree than enables them to suppress or avoid the consequences of other race's hostile tribalism.

I try to avoid rampant hyperbole but think you'd have to be blind and stupid not to realise what's going to happen when whites become a minority in America. People tend to suffer from normalcy bias, which tells them that today was much the same as yesterday and that tomorrow will be the same again. Those people aren't worried because they believe the speed of social decline will remain locked in tandem with the decline of white demographics.

People that think a little deeper on the issue though realise that functional white rule over a nation is more or less like a light switch. It's either on or it's off. The social decline was there for a number of reasons, but white America still held the majority of the levers of power (back home if not abroad). So these guys realise that the next time the Democrats take office then the floodgates get opened to the latinos and the somalians and that's it. Like a boat, a small hole will sink it in time but when the water line comes up over the deck then things speed up extremely quickly.

The tl/dr is this. White identity politics is not a move towards oppression of others. It's a move towards survival of the tribe.

If you'd like to contest that then take a look at former Rhodesia and current South Africa, then tell me that the Afrikaaners really need to drop their bigoted identity politics and focus on their shared humanity with the rest of their fellow South Africans.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

You know what - some of the advice by Peterson is good - like reading Solzenicyn:

   



Oh - and by the way - most EE-states are in reality highly conform with so-called white-nationalist states which is just misnomer. Is the Japanese state a white-Japanese state?

The ruling polish conservative party has won mostly because it did not want to accept 10.000 Muslim rapefugees. So 60% of the population (with 80%+ support on that topic) do not want 10.000 Muslims while they have nothing against taking in 1.5 mio. Ukrainians! Yes - 1.5 mio. Ukrainians came into Poland in the last 3 years and no uproar while 10.000 Muslims sparked a massive change in voting patterns. Another example of so-called White Nationalist countries - Hungary accepts all kinds of Western immigrants and pensioners while not taking any Muslims or Africans. They only offered refuge for Middle Eastern Christians which the EU refused.

Common sense and basic biology is not some kind of Nazi larping.

And yeah - let's read Solzhenytsin Jordan Peterson - let's do that.

And Easy C - sorry for the strong language in the previous post - sometimes I forget to keep things civil.

[LEMONed IScream]

Stop using the language of the enemies. "White Nationalism". What the hell is that. Does not exist in Europe. It's an Anglo term that was very sneakily subverted into English language and spilled-over to others. If a native German wants to keep Germany....well, German, does he engage in White Nationalism?

Nothing of the sort. Just wants to keep his country homogeneously German, that native Germans are Phenotype white and of Germanic stock for the most part is just a fluke that would not be mentioned if, say, Kenya was the matter here.

The word white nationalism when used in the Anglo countries or more specifically in the USA, ironically and very covertly reminds them of the inherent threat they're under. And I'm not an ethnostate guy, or even remotely alt-right.

[Samseau]

There has never existed a nation without race. The idea that a nation can be race-blind is bullshit.

The word "race" has it's etymological origins in the word "nation". Strictly speaking, nationalism means the exact same thing as racialism. Race points to ones origins, just like the word nation does. Nation comes from the bible, referring to descendants.

For example, the "nation of David" refers to all the Jews in the bible descended from David.

People need to learn that races can tolerate a bit of mixing while retaining their character, and yet it is important for the racial core to keep growing if it is to survive (just like any other life form).

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As for Peterson, his individualism is intellectually bankrupt. The idea that humans exist apart from a society they were raised in is contradicted by all experience. Peterson is refuted by one of the oldest thinkers in the world, Aristotle, who wrote that "man is a political animal" on page one of his Politics.

Peterson is also a big hypocrite - on one hand he says we're individuals, and yet on the other hand he refuses to debate people because they are considered part of a forbidden group, the "alt-right", which means he's not treating people like Millennial Woes as individuals. He claims to be an individual, then treats others according to group politics like pretty much every other human being does. Extremely dishonest bullshitter.

Finally, he also suffers from obscurantism. The university has corrupted his speech and writing patterns so that he needlessly uses big words and verbose sentences in order to make the simplest of points. This makes him sound smart to stupid people, but to smart people he's a bore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscurantism

There is a reason I've never talked or admired Peterson on this board before, because his style was always a turnoff. Big waste of time to sort through his verbiage just to get at his two-bit ideas which have been expressed before by tons of other older thinkers, in usually much simpler language.

"The better something is understood, the simpler it is explained."

But now that he's blown up to the point and promoting a bankrupt individualism philosophy, I guess I have to just help people understand he peddles god awful ideas either from stupidity or as a charlatan.

[LEMONed IScream]

Not sure if you were adressing me or some other idea on here. But what I meant to explain is that mentioning race is irrelevant, not that a nation can be raceblind. You don't "NEED" to mention Germans, Swedes, French are White or that Kenyans are black, this is inherent knowledge. Hence my rejection of the White Nationalism term. Nationalism and Patriotism are better substitutes, or in this age of lunacy, even common sense suffices.

(05-28-2018 10:42 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

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[BortimusPrime]

(05-27-2018 10:03 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:23 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

What really convinced me that this is a scam is the video by Millennial Woes where he tries to arrange an interview with JP and gets absolutely no response. It's clear at this point that aside from denouncing the alt right with correct thoughts on twitter, JP will not have anything to do with them or even allow himself to be seen interacting with them, which would explain him getting Faith Goldy kicked from that talk. The only reason for this is that he needs to keep the accusations of him being alt right very obviously slanderous in order to maintain the book sales and donations from the normies that recoil when they see some guy with a shaved head and a memento mori on his bookshelf talk about white genocide on youtube.

I'd like to counter this point for a second. You say JP has these controversies set up out in the open, left there so he could keep himself in the public eye.

If that's the case, can you explain what the following video was, and do you believe even during this, he was, as you say, following a scam?

I don't think it was a premeditated scam, I think he stumbled into it. He came out against the pronoun stuff as a perfectly reasonable stand for freedom of speech and got a massive amount of attention. Suddenly he's selling lots of self help books and that's a big incentive for him to keep taking MSM interviews because each time he goes on there and acts like a perfectly reasonable person being screamed at by a SJW (like in the video), everyone watching is disgusted by it and some of them decide to give JP money.

Now, let's go over how this video would have played out if I were in his shoes. Two or three minutes in I would be fully invested in my Buffalo Bill impression and people would see me as the villain. My #ShekelsForBort campaign would be dead before it even got started. You can even see in the video that the students on JP's side want to argue the tranny aggressively and JP holds them back because he knows his image is contingent on being the sympathetic figure.

[BlueResolute]

(05-28-2018 02:23 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 10:03 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

(05-27-2018 05:23 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

What really convinced me that this is a scam is the video by Millennial Woes where he tries to arrange an interview with JP and gets absolutely no response. It's clear at this point that aside from denouncing the alt right with correct thoughts on twitter, JP will not have anything to do with them or even allow himself to be seen interacting with them, which would explain him getting Faith Goldy kicked from that talk. The only reason for this is that he needs to keep the accusations of him being alt right very obviously slanderous in order to maintain the book sales and donations from the normies that recoil when they see some guy with a shaved head and a memento mori on his bookshelf talk about white genocide on youtube.

I'd like to counter this point for a second. You say JP has these controversies set up out in the open, left there so he could keep himself in the public eye.

If that's the case, can you explain what the following video was, and do you believe even during this, he was, as you say, following a scam?

I don't think it was a premeditated scam, I think he stumbled into it. He came out against the pronoun stuff as a perfectly reasonable stand for freedom of speech and got a massive amount of attention. Suddenly he's selling lots of self help books and that's a big incentive for him to keep taking MSM interviews because each time he goes on there and acts like a perfectly reasonable person being screamed at by a SJW (like in the video), everyone watching is disgusted by it and some of them decide to give JP money.

Now, let's go over how this video would have played out if I were in his shoes. Two or three minutes in I would be fully invested in my Buffalo Bill impression and people would see me as the villain. My #ShekelsForBort campaign would be dead before it even got started. You can even see in the video that the students on JP's side want to argue the tranny aggressively and JP holds them back because he knows his image is contingent on being the sympathetic figure.

The thing is, in education, the number one thing is to allow people to have a voice. As a psychologist, he is aware that the best way for people to expose themselves is through letting them talk. It was natural that he stopped his supporters from talking, mostly to keep the discussion clean of any third party agents. The video was about JP vs. this trans-activist. JP knew that if he let his supporters talk, it would get into a heated battle and no one will be talking. At least if it's JP listening, since he's most confident in his ability to, would stand there and listen to their rant. His supporters would just shout back.

I felt it was just him being an adult in that situation.

[Rush87]

I'm struggling to understand why there is outrage when someone says: "To maintain national identity and western values, white nations must remain majority white".

Pack England full of Indians with Western values and it becomes India. A white majority population and western values are synonymous.

[BlueResolute]

(05-28-2018 05:23 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

I'm struggling to understand why there is outrage when someone says: "To maintain national identity and western values, white nations must remain majority white".

Pack England full of Indians with Western values and it becomes India. A white majority population and western values are synonymous.

Well, with my time being here on this forum, I'm a little surprised there's some values people of our nature share with left wings. I believed that the point of becoming redpilled or a man in general was accepting that you're allowed to do what you want and focus on your own self development. For instance, if I hear someone say they wish to support their race being the majority, that doesn't sound wrong to me. If anything, the answer to that for all of us should be: "May the best culture win."

[Rush87]

(05-28-2018 05:47 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 05:23 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

I'm struggling to understand why there is outrage when someone says: "To maintain national identity and western values, white nations must remain majority white".

Pack England full of Indians with Western values and it becomes India. A white majority population and western values are synonymous.

Well, with my time being here on this forum, I'm a little surprised there's some values people of our nature share with left wings. I believed that the point of becoming redpilled or a man in general was accepting that you're allowed to do what you want and focus on your own self development. For instance, if I hear someone say they wish to support their race being the majority, that doesn't sound wrong to me. If anything, the answer to that for all of us should be: "May the best culture win."

If we keep heading down this immigration path, the future looks grim. I imagine being 70 years old, saving up my pension to fly to Germany in the hopes of getting a frosty stein of beer, served by a busty blonde barmaid.

I get on the plane, land in Munich, full of excitement. Get to the beer hall, but instead of a beer served by a big tittied barmaid, I'm given a strong Turkish Coffee served by an Arab in a hijab:

"Sorry sir. It's Ramadan. No alcohol".
"But what about the sexy barmaids!?"
"What's a barmaid?"

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-28-2018 05:23 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

I'm struggling to understand why there is outrage when someone says: "To maintain national identity and western values, white nations must remain majority white".

Pack England full of Indians with Western values and it becomes India. A white majority population and western values are synonymous.

In a way Jordan Peterson but as well the Youtube "skeptic" community - Sargon of Akkad - they all propose this radical individualism. They are also mostly - not Peterson but others - also very open towards concepts of evolution, but stop at brain-development - so evolution is only PC neck downwards.

In addition they advocate radical individualism and advocate for Whites to stay that course.

Most relevant part starts at 40:00.

Meanwhile the other 2 groups are doing this:

1) Anti-White or pro-non-White collectivist - the far left which is ruling, the treasonous elite as well as all the immigrants who predominantly are collectivist.

2) Individualist Whites who are dissuaded from joining the collectivist pro-white identity due to the usual propaganda like colonialism/slavery/Holocoust and White guilt - even the mention of a Western ethno-state means that you are building gas chambers tomorrow. Strangely enough individualist Whites like Jordan Peterson who encourage Whites to be as far away from being pro-White as humanly possible are at the same time enamored with Native American Indian culture and he is even the member of a tribe:



As Millennial Woes put it - "Does JP tell those Natives to be individualist and stay far away from their cultural and racial identity?"

He also mentioned this series of vids on ethnic beauties:

Russian girl:

Note the patriotism and ethnic/cultural affinity she has. But she mentions that nationalism makes her sad, so postmodernist education and propaganda is spreading.

Jewish girl:

Her strongest identity is her Jewish identity - practically the most important aspect of her being!

German girl:

Her national identity is just the language and some customs. She is only proud of being good at soccer as a nation. Aside from that she is more filled with anger at Germany for the Holocoust and for racism. She probably stood at train station with a Refugees Welcome sign despite being from the saner eastern German part.

Add to it the demographics in each country.

Which of those cultures will still exist in 500 years?

The Germans will be eradicated almost completely with some pockets here and there.
The Russians may have a chance for survival if the neo-Bolsheviks don't do a more effective genocide.
The Jewish people will certainly live on.

But individualists like Peterson and Sargon don't even believe in a White national identity. Nah - every other tribe has the right for a specific identity - all but those evil Whites.

And some of those girls in the vids are strikingly beautiful - men like Peterson are essentially morons in that respect - boomer indoctrinated with visions of gas chambers while willfully ignoring the danger of the far left which is already building gas chambers for the Westerners.

Peterson grew up in a 98% White Canada. His grandchildren will see a 20% White Canada in 2100 and it will not be the same country - his grandchildren will say how stupid grandpa was thinking that everyone is going to be individualist and altruistic.