[Banna]

I'm soon to be 42 years old. And I strictly night game for women. No day game. ....no dating sites. And I kinda feel like I'm in "no ma'ams" land right now. Like I don't have anything in common in terms of women.

I was out this weekend and met this stunning 7.5 - 8 Polish girl. I didn't bother inquiring her age. My guestimates is she's max 25 years old. Was locking lips and feeling up her tits on the dance floor.

And she asks: "Can we exchange IG, we should hangout?"

Me: "I don't have an account....you have whatsapp?"

So I've shot a text here back n forth with her here and there but I already see the dreaded flakiness I loathe.

And I notice her and many other younger girls there are of this generation where you spend 1/2 the night out snap chatting or taking selfies and IG pics when they go out. I always feel when I go out I can dance floor game/make out with some girl 15-20 years younger without much ??s about my age. But I've no clue what these younger girls are on.

I don't want to judge them.....but I really don't know give much of a damn about that ig stuff.

The flipside to girls in her bracket are women in my group that can relate to a lot of things I grew up with in their era.

The downside?

Physically: Often fading looks and many of these women only started hitting the gym when they were in a downward spiral.

People still think I'm in my 20s. I've never been drunk or smoked/drugs in my life so the hard partying that's taken a toll on people I've been around or seen hasn't gotten me. I workout and am in good shaoe/health.

And I don't have kids or ever been married.....most of these women have already been through the ringer. I don't ever want to mess with a single mom again.....not even for a quick lay.

So it's either:

A) Radically change who I am and get younger with a lot of lingo technology music and shit

B) Say screw my pride and mess with women I don't care as much for looks wise as younger girls.....and plus deal with a lot of their ready made families from the get go.

The first option (younger girls) feels much more appealing than dealing with older women with insecurities/ baggage towards men and stuff I've never had a problem with.

The younger girls still find me physically appealing but how to offset the flakiness right off the bat often due to a hoarde of guys following them around on IG/snapchat inflating their egos as I don't care for that stuff?

Do I have to get on the IG wave too or without it just remaining a dinosaur lol?

[Atlanta Man]

I am 41 and have the same issue. You need an Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat to deal with the nightlife girls unless you are running "I have drugs, lets go home together and fuck the same night" game. You have to have the scene on lockdown and know all the hot clubs every night of the week. You have to be known as cool on the scene and your social media accounts should all be clubbing, beaches, and parties. Nightlife scene game requires a modified "social circle game" where if you do it right, when the bar closes they do not put you out and you end up drinking with the managers and getting invited to late night exclusive service /Industry parties. It is a little work up front , but worth it if you pull it off- also get to know promoters and go to clubs on off nights, it is easier to get to know people when it is a slow Tuesday with no line rather than on Friday with a waiting list.

Google top 100 songs 2017 and get to know them, appreciate the new slang and stay up on it, and read synopsis of popular TV shows so you have something to talk about with these chicks.

[Vill@in]

I will be 40 in less than a month and yeah, I know what you're going through. I don't have IG or SnapChat and at this point I don't think I'll be getting it.

And although they aren't my first choice, I will sleep with women around my age. They are easier to talk to and can relate with a lot of things. Plus a lot of them are fixed/don't want anymore kids so that worry is gone. But like you mentioned, the downside of that is their looks are only going downhill so the physical attraction isn't there as much.

It's a Catch-22 really. There ARE young girls that aren't into that social validation stuff as much as most of them but they are rare. I just say stick to your guns and don't conform to that shit.

[rudebwoy]

Banna - Get on the IG wave and load it up with pics of your travels.

I am older than you and had to adapt.

IG is just a way of them being able to see what you are about. You don't have to put on personal info, create a false name if you want to stay private.

IG is the tool that these young girls are using, FB is pretty much dead.

If I hesitate on getting the number, I get the IG and leave it at that.

[Steelex]

How much do you expect to have in common with a girl 17 years younger than you? At 25 she might still be living at home and probably hasn't experienced any of the real grown person responsibilities that shape and mold a person.

Hell I barely have anything in common with girls my own age. You just fake it man, cause you're just there for the bang.

[Kid Twist]

how frequently do you update rudeboy, it's like I don't even remember to update that IG when I travel

i think ATL man is right, beaches, parties, clubs

It's so silly but the point is that women love entertainment --- hysterical that they ever use the word "superficial" to describe anyone but themselves

[blck]

"Never go in a fight adopting the opponent's rules"

You either adapt or don't engage on it, as an older man you won't be able to keep up with the amount of bullshit you'll find her being into (Go peep into some young girls IG/Snapchat and you'll get yourself loads of flowers and dogs tongue selfies).



So either you take the bull by the horn and create accounts on each plateform and advertise your lifestyle as something new or out of her reach or you disengage and dismiss totally this kind of lifestyle:
"Oh IG/Snapchat ? I bet you're got yourself some funny flower crown selfie, don't you? What's the naugtiest idea you ever had with those on your head ?"

No kids "that you know of" = Might be some high level traveler
In good shape = Might be some casanova in disguise
Leather jacket, jean's and boots = This guy might be some bad ass mofo
Etc etc...
It's your call

[ksbms]

(03-28-2017 09:33 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

How much do you expect to have in common with a girl 17 years younger than you?

Wrong.

I never expect a girl (OK, I did in the past - NOT anymore), whatever the age, to be able to discuss analytical or political philosophy, science, history, arts, and so on. Proper, in-depth talks are for men. Call me judgemental but it is very rare a girl would have anything to contribute - sometimes, yes, but rarely.

If she's feminine, easy to deal with, little to no drama, fucks well, improves my well-being to some degree, that's all I can ask for. Though a good cook would be a bonus.

Looking for a soulmate across all possible domains? Are you kidding me? We'll find intelligent life on another planet sooner.

[ksbms]

(03-28-2017 09:43 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

It's so silly but the point is that women love entertainment --- hysterical that they ever use the word "superficial" to describe anyone but themselves

[kirdiesel]

I kind of missed the IG bus and I have noticed when gaming, especially online , the girls want to see your IG as social proof to see what you are about so they can make a final decision if they want to fuck you or not.

I am against all this online and social network shit too but I feel like if you aren't in it you can't win it. Like you, I am or well....was STRICTLY nightgame and I have decided to branch out and hopefully will have my first Tinder date this weekend (if she doesn't flake).

I am working on a whole social network revamp myself now. Facebook is dead... its all about IG and Tinder. Snap is easy as fuck to maintain so no worries there.

I say get with the program or you are taking opportunities away from yourself.

[Steve McQueen]

Atlanta man is spot on, status is everything, regardless of age. You need to look connected, have the cool guy vibe, leaves more of a lasting impression. I have toyed with the idea of hiring an escort or two for a night out, just to see how it would affect my social proof as the best wings I ever had were attractive women. They say money attracts money, the same is true of them in my experience.

Start thinking outside the box, what are your strengths? What do you bring to the table that is above average? For me its conversation and social clout, so I tend to stick to night game primarily as this is where these two excel. Have you tried speed dating? I gave it a shot when I was living in London, my Irish accent blew the girls away and the quality was fairly decent, got a few lays out of it.

I dont think its wise to try change your whole personality around just to get the lays, if you are put together well, have good logistics, venue selection and perceived high social value then the girls will make it easy for you.

Perception is reality, I roll solo but after a few months of groundwork in my selected venues I have the staff / entertainers / regulars in my pocket, even if its just a hello or a high five from a few people it looks like your the guy everyone wants to know.

I have had this issue crop up a few times, in my experience Facebook is a disaster for girls, its friend zone for you or a lot of potential banana skins that wouldnt otherwise exist. I remember a Roosh article where he said something like you are relegated to being her fanboy, so dont play the game.

Be upfront, get the digits and if she wants to attention whore for you then she will push you to set up an account on snap chat, IG or whatever. I usually do for the sole purpose of viewing her stuff but I let them push the idea, not me.

[rudebwoy]

(03-28-2017 09:43 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

how frequently do you update rudeboy, it's like I don't even remember to update that IG when I travel

i think ATL man is right, beaches, parties, clubs

It's so silly but the point is that women love entertainment --- hysterical that they ever use the word "superficial" to describe anyone but themselves

A couple of times a week.

I am also into photography, so I post nature shots and stuff they wouldn't expect from me.

I have been to some cool spots, so I post old travel pics under throwback Thursday etc. #tbt

I also know people who live in cool spots, so I might borrow a few of their pics.

Truthfully, a lot of these young girls are bored. They want approval via IG and social media, of course we ignore them and never give them likes.

I still need to build my followers, I need to sit down and read that IG post in full.

[griffinmill]

I have mentioned this before in another thread, but why do girls do those dog / flower crown selfies? What's the attraction of putting dog ears on their head? Is it just a case of groupthink, monkey-see/monkey-do? I always think I'm dealing with a five year old when I scope out some girls IG and see those dumb filters.

[btz]

Girls these days are using IG/snapchat to screen and filter out guys, the test they're using is "would I want to be standing next/with him in this picture" - if the answer too often is "no" then she's on to the next one. What women like is fun and status and IG makes it very easy to convey those things - I see IG accounts at 3 levels:

1. doesn't have an account
2. normal guy with pics conveying boring life
3. fun and high status guy with frequent pics to show for it

You don't need to be hanging out in mansions or going to VIP parties for #3 you just need to show that you're active, sociable, and are doing stuff instead of sitting at home, work, or school 24/7. Look through this instagram tag: https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/20yearsold/

All the guys are posting gym pics, car pics, quotes/memes, or pics by themselves doing jack shit and have 1 pic per week. What those accounts convey is "i just eat, sleep, lift, work. I have 0 abundance, needy, and we will do boring shit". What a good account conveys "I have abundance, i'm always doing something, i'm always meeting new people so you better not fuck up or flake because you'll be quickly replaced".

I'll give you 2 quick accounts I picked out from that tag

boring account: https://www.instagram.com/michaelsonparilla/

fun account: https://www.instagram.com/philippe.boyer/

The fun account guy isn't that great, it was the first decent one, but you get the idea. Have a girl choose between these two and it will either be sitting in homeboys room while he takes pics of his shoes and plays video games or out and about having a good time with the fun guy. Same rules of IG apply to game in general - don't bore the girls because they're already bored and need to escape it.

[Kaii]

I can definitely appreciate you guys that get value from IG on here. It's always good to see my peeps get ahead with the ladies.

That being said, maybe it's my age or something (41), but this just seems to be another method in which I would need to be a virtual dancing clown to game these bitches with IG. I just don't' care enough to try.

Not knocking the hustle of course, just not my thing.

[Vill@in]

A girl who will only fuck me based on how many IG followers I have is a girl that I don't want to fuck.

[kosko]

Rudebwoy is speaking the truth here. I dont use IG but just as a social observer I see how critical it is, it has become a fudemental just like WhatsApp or a Facebook. You can get away without all of them but your leaving alot off the table.

The point brought up in either being in it or rejecting it outright has merit. But be prepared to play up the mystery angle very hard and sell it well. You have to contrast a well refined and sharp dude who is dark and mysterious and make her think you work in intelligence or sell drugs, that is the only way NOT having any social media will make you look like a social vagabond.

Atlanta Man aso has it on the nail as the need to keep up with popular culture is critical. I don't watch TV, Netflix, and don't listen to 95% of popular music. One has to find hacks to learn the high levels of this all so you can communicate to girls.

I'm struggling with this currently as truth be told my day to day is really not that interesting but I am learning that I have to document and archive content to be able to share on various outlets. This is why I am trying to get into photography as it has been a hobby I have out off for far too long now, I didn't like it when it became popular as I typically reject what everyone else does, but I do have a good eye for colours and detail so I might as well use the skill. If my day to day is boring then I will just take pictures of interesting things to compensate (I've always liked going against the grain and not following trends, if always do the opposite as I don't like to confirm. But I learn late that you have to meet in the middle with a ton of shut and it's best to get on early with trends s you can have the most control and flexibility over it).

To OP, the next hurdle with age gaps is slang and pop culture items. Girls will go ghost on you if you start talking with dated slang, they know you ain't cool talking with dated slang or not using emojis. Especially here in Toronto to it is critical, a young girl here sub 25/26 is just going to talk a certain way and if you don't talk like her, regardless of how strage SHE sounds only you will stick out as you are the only one in her orbit that is speaking different.

The game needs heavy adaptation. It is a big struggle to do as you have to invest lots of dead time to keep up with trends. This was the reason that I recommended us gentlemen start a thread just to share tips on trends in popular culture, slang, music, social media tactics so that we can share resources versus having time sink and burn hours listing to fucking Migos to try and find some lyrics for stash away to copy and paste to bitches in a chat. Some people waste their whole days just keeping in with trends, many of us, simply can't put in those sort of hours.

One older dude I know is able to keep up with trends as his job is a promoter. From a promoter job as he has involved from that in social media he has now turned it into a legitimate marketing job, but still the same shit. His daily job really just requires him to be in the know of what is popular so this dude is riding bikes and dying his hair blonde and blue at 35. He is locked in on social media 100%. ALL his girls have stayed in the same 18-22 bracket and they have never bumped up. He more or less lives in he same frame and world they do so I don't ever think they even question his age. He is mid 30s but few would guess it. Him elevating his game just means now more exclusive shit to put on IG and maybe a nicer apartment, maybe a nicer car.

You put in that effort and you get rewards. One example is the fabled Soho House membership is like the golden ticket for fuckboiis here as it provides then ways to quickly monitize all of their social media and side hustles to bigger monied people who then by affiliation help boost these dudes social media, which helps them get more followers, and new girls.. Wash...Rinse... Repeat. This is the whole modern "creative industry" in a nutshell as big work and social circles just blow smoke up each other's asss while getting corporations that are desperate for digital marketing and content to throw money at them to create content or products which then gives these types more content to boost up their social media with.


If Toronto dudes want to see the apex of Toronto fuckboii game just go Google Kai Lee who is a son SuSur Lee. He is a money born rich kid but has leveraged social media to his advantage to out out the type of lifestyle talking about at its highest end. He puts in hours like a part time job to maintain the social media, for some it isn't a joke, especially when they get to levels where they can monitize it.

My take is you can't avoid being online. The effort comes to create your online persona to show you in your best light. Now that I am seeing that with LinkedIn I realize that your social media is just like your linked in and has to be created a certain way to project a certain image about yourself.

(03-28-2017 09:54 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

I kind of missed the IG bus and I have noticed when gaming, especially online , the girls want to see your IG as social proof to see what you are about so they can make a final decision if they want to fuck you or not.

I am against all this online and social network shit too but I feel like if you aren't in it you can't win it. Like you, I am or well....was STRICTLY nightgame and I have decided to branch out and hopefully will have my first Tinder date this weekend (if she doesn't flake).

I am working on a whole social network revamp myself now. Facebook is dead... its all about IG and Tinder. Snap is easy as fuck to maintain so no worries there.

I say get with the program or you are taking opportunities away from yourself.

You work as a club promoter correct?

I would argue you NEED to get on IG. It is non-negotiable for your field.

[PapayaTapper]

(03-28-2017 03:45 AM)Banna Wrote:  

I'm soon to be 42 years old. And I strictly night game for women. No day game. ....no dating sites. And I kinda feel like I'm in "no ma'ams" land right now. Like I don't have anything in common in terms of women.

I was out this weekend and met this stunning 7.5 - 8 Polish girl. I didn't bother inquiring her age. My guestimates is she's max 25 years old. Was locking lips and feeling up her tits on the dance floor.

This is where you went wrong. Everything else was epilogue

[Baphomet]

(03-28-2017 04:37 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Google top 100 songs 2017 and get to know them, appreciate the new slang and stay up on it, and read synopsis of popular TV shows so you have something to talk about with these chicks.

I did that very thing. Most of the "Top 100" is such complete shit that it is not worth listening to. I'd rather fuck my hand for the remainder of my life than have to memorize that auto-tuned garbage.

Sorry for the OT crap... I take music a little too seriously.

[rudebwoy]

Funny enough, before I had a IG account I was in Starbucks waiting for my drink. I had my new camera on the counter and some hot polish blonde came behind me in line.

The barista was taking long with my drink, the polish gal stared at my camera. I asked her if she would like her picture to be taken, also giving her the death stare. She stared back and asked if I was a photographer. Turns out she wanted pics of her dog and asked for my IG account. I signed up a month or two later.

As someone said, adapt or die.
Also I don't want to leave anything on the table, I view it as a lead I can slowly cook over time.

The mindset of these girls is that if they give you their phone number, you might be a creep and call them 24/7. As if we don't have anything better to do.

I have one chick who seems to be posting similar shit to me as of late, another one who commented on the cost of some shoes I was sporting and another one who said I am always travelling.

[kosko]

(03-28-2017 12:27 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Funny enough, before I had a IG account I was in Starbucks waiting for my drink. I had my new camera on the counter and some hot polish blonde came behind me in line.

The barista was taking long with my drink, the polish gal stared at my camera. I asked her if she would like her picture to be taken, also giving her the death stare. She stared back and asked if I was a photographer. Turns out she wanted pics of her dog and asked for my IG account. I signed up a month or two later.

As someone said, adapt or die.
Also I don't want to leave anything on the table, I view it as a lead I can slowly cook over time.

The mindset of these girls is that if they give you their phone number, you might be a creep and call them 24/7. As if we don't have anything better to do.

I have one chick who seems to be posting similar shit to me as of late, another one who commented on the cost of some shoes I was sporting and another one who said I am always travelling.

When you find that magic ratio of time and benefits then this is the result you want. You end up actually having to do less work actually gaming as your IG does a bunch of the heavy lifting for you. Already soaring over the social proof and value angle all that is next is just baiting her for the right time and context to connect and taking things from there.

I still view the phone number as important as it is a barrier she must cross in trust to give it to you. What I notice now is bitches barley text these days. They text their mom, but they are in WhatsApp or messenger with there riends all day. Plus with no read receipts they can put texts on ice or simply just not reply (they see it, they aways will see the message, she replied if she wants to). In getting a girls number it is really just to get her WhatsApp. I'll message her in their instead and very rarely text her. Il text for more important shut like trying to set up legit plans but I try to mix it up.

The magic ratio is key as if you have enough content liked up you then can get into schedule or automated posts via hootsuite that will just make IG posts for you when you tell the app to do it.

[Repo]

@rudeboy

I've started a photography thread, since I've seen you any many others mention this hobby. I don't think this board has a thread for this yet. Would welcome your contributions

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[Rocha]

(03-28-2017 12:21 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 04:37 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Google top 100 songs 2017 and get to know them, appreciate the new slang and stay up on it, and read synopsis of popular TV shows so you have something to talk about with these chicks.

I did that very thing. Most of the "Top 100" is such complete shit that it is not worth listening to. I'd rather fuck my hand for the remainder of my life than have to memorize that auto-tuned garbage.

Sorry for the OT crap... I take music a little too seriously.

I say the same. Be different than the others, listen to what you like to listen, and talk or dress the way you have to for your age. Guys like myself in early 30s or older should only compete with ourselves and not with the guys of her age.

As for the online stuff, when you go to war, you need to bring also the grenades and rocket launcher, showing up with only the riffle will put you in disadvantage. I have an account on all of that stuff, IG, whatsapp, viber, fb... just in case it comes more in handy than getting her number (dead battery, foreign sim...etc).

[Atlanta Man]

I am on my career now and it is my biggest impediment to my sexual lifestyle because it takes up all my time and , as much as I hate to admit it, it is a big part of my identity-you cannot do something 16 hours a day and not have it define you somewhat. Here is my cheatsheet for getting young girls Day/Night:

Basics-Work out hardcore, no gut is acceptable and your triceps should be huge. Dress in style but not "trendy" when in doubt Ralph Lauren, button up shirts that fit your frame, cool clean new shoes (important, again important), a nice watch. If you are in a car city a cool car (I have an entry level Mustang, affordable but cool.)

Talk- I have to fight myself not to talk about my career, so I made up one.My story is- I am a consultant for the US military and a contract employee-I leave it at that, if they push for info I say I specialize in chemical weapons and intelligence management as a civilian contractor- Then I go into how good it is to be back into the US because were I work is nothing but dudes and it is cool to talk to chicks "you know a bunch of dudes-a lot of testosterone and other tough guy bullshit, trying to one up each other-you would be amazed at how quickly we all wanted to kill each other- Then put the ball in her court about chicks and let her talk, agree with her and let her talk some more...Make a TV show reference (read Slate, the Atlantic, and Buzzfeed ect.- about the weekly round up of popular shows and repeat what they say.)

Social- Go to the hottest clubs on the lamest night spend some money and talk to the door man, the waitress and the manager. Tip well and remember their names. DO NOT FUCK THE CLUB EMPLOYEES OR EVEN FLIRT WITH THE CUTE ONES-Empathize with and get cool with them. The bouncer used to play football and the coach fucked him over , empathize. The waitress hates when guys grab her ass and don't tip, tip well and empathize ( order sprite and tip her $2 bucks even for refills, she will never forget you.), The manager/promotor hates slow nights and rowdy drunks , empathize. NEVER GET DRUNK EVER AT A NIGHT VENUE, EVER-CONTROL YOUR LIQUOR OR DRINK LIGHT BEER. Within two weeks these people will not see you as a patron but as a friend and they will treat you like you work in the service /industry and you will never wait in line and get invited to all the functions. I went to Club Halo on Tuesday and Wednesday (weak nights) on Saturday I went with a date , the manager waived me in past the line and comped my drinks all because I put in the time to get to know him. Remember, when you talk to these people the conversation is all about them.

Social Media and the Scene- Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, Tinder(you don,t have to use Tinder, it is just part of the package), Whatsapp, Bumble. You need 50 Instagram photos, 40 should be party scenes, 10 should be you in a cool place looking good. If you update go to a hot club on Friday or Saturday and get a picture with the crowd with it packed. Pretend you are a promoter showing off your event. Think like this-My life is a nonstop party with cool shit happening, now make your social media reflect that.

Young Women on the Scene- I have noticed that I run into a lot of the same girls at the different clubs I frequent. The last girl I had sex with I saw three different times. The first time I saw her we spoke , I got her number and I texted her and she did not reply. I saw her again spoke to her and kept it moving. The third time I saw her was two weeks later at a late night party ,we hung out and she asked for a ride home and we fucked. The party scene is like a social circle, she saw me at all the hot parties and figured I was cool by how the staff treated me and everyone seemed to know me so it was cool to fuck.

Young women in the daytime- they live lives of boredom, offer them the nightlife- get them to go on a date pick them up around 10:30 and keep them out, hitting different clubs until till 5am drinking then have sex with them. The trick is getting them to come out, don't be cheap. No dinner dates, party dates only.

"Party Girls"-Be very careful with these girls, they like "party favors" and that is cool. I personally do not do drugs but I have in the past. These girls tend to be the hottest so I understand going for them, they also tend to be up for threesomes and have hot friends. If you deal with them it is imperative that you do not do the drugs yourself(cocaine kills your erection and judgement , you want to be in control). Have drugs well in advance, get your drugs on Tuesday for the club on Friday. Do not sell drugs or advertise you have them. For these girls you need cocaine, Xanax, Molly and at least 2 fifths of liquor. You will need 2 grams of coke per girl, so go ahead and get an eightball-you need Xanax and liquor in case the girls need to "even out". Wait till around 2 am to approach these girls, pick the hottest one and ask her if she "parties", if she says yes take her to the bathroom and give her a bump-She will follow you anywhere after that- tell her you need to go to your house to pick up more shit and take it from there. WARNING- do not offer to get them more, do not hook up a deal, do nothing but fuck these chicks and keep it moving-Do not sleep around them, do not trust them.DO NOT DO THE DRUGS YOURSELF, keep your wits about you, fuck these girls and be done with them.

Slang and Music-Avoid old slang, keep up with the new-in your car put on the Urban station and listen on your way to work. That is what is popular. Example -instead of "that is my connect" it is "He is the Plug". Also slang moves faster now "On Fleek" and "Dabbing" are already out.

[Steelex]

Atlanta Man which bars do you party at?

I tend to mainly hit the bars on the north side of town, I'm not big on the buckhead or midtown scene.