[lapalco]

I would like to open this up for discussion.

Since i started learning game 15 years or so ago I have noticed something very contradictory. Usually, if a girl thinks im attractive, after they get to know me they really start to like me and I often get LMR because they dont want me to think they are a slut. They think im boyfriend or husband material.

I think what im talking about/the problem is overgaming. The thing is, gaming is just me. I do it because it's fun, not because im trying to show off or get into her pants.

I have never been good at ONS after i learned game, but pretty much every girl i have banged since has been in love with me and wanted to marry me. I have never been dumped since learning game.

TBH, I am relativity good looking, but i do have some flaws (30lbs overweight) that some women may find repulsive.

So, back when i was young and in shape with no game i was better at getting somewhere in the first meeting. Now that im old and fat it takes 2 or 3 dates to get there even if the girl is a total slut. The plus side is they think im the coolest mother fucker theyve ever met so multiple awesome bangs always happen. I actually prefer it this way now, but would also like the occasional ONS for the rush of it.

Anyone else run into this "problem?" And how do you deal with it? Im thinking more direct game, but how do you make direct game fun?

[blck]

This might help to understand the WHY as it have been discussed multiples times everywhere

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Every woman you meet or go out on a date with, who is not already married and is not related to you, has three buttons on her forehead. These buttons are labeled “No”, “Sex”, and “Make Him Wait”.

When you interact with a woman in a flirty, dating, or sexual context, you actually press down on one of these three buttons. You do this via your words, actions, demeanor, appearance, body language, tone of voice, kino, and all the other critical areas of dating and seduction we’ve discussed before...

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[Vill@in]

If a girl really wants to fuck you she'll ride that wave of tingles all the way into the bedroom on your first meeting. After the deed is done, THEN her hamster will start spinning (i.e. I never do that on the first date/meeting, I'm not a slut, I can't believe I just did that, etc.)

Lose those extra pounds and you'll be back to your old ways.

[Jack_Smith]

Caveat - I am 54. Never studied "game" as a thing until a year ago.

(03-23-2017 07:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

Anyone else run into this "problem?"

You already know the answer, because you stated it elsewhere in your post. Weak direct. Being mistaken for BF material comes from unclear intent and, likely, a shortage of physical escalation.

(03-23-2017 07:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

And how do you deal with it?

Whisper in her ear how delicious she smells while you run your hand up her dress. If she objects or squirms, whisper "Stop. It's not me. You're making me do it." Look her in the eyes when you say that shit. She'll never mistake you for her BF again.

(03-23-2017 07:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

...but how do you make direct game fun?

How do you make indirect game fun? I can't stand "dating." I value my time. I like to fuck. Preferably consistently and well with a partner who comes to play like it is her last day on earth. I love making women cum. Over and over and in new and interesting ways. I dig the intimacy that is part and parcel to that kind of sex-based relationship. Direct game seems most consistent with that mindset and like the most efficient way to land like minded women. It also seems a lot more honest than indirect.

The more I fuck, the more women I make cum all over my dick, the less I even see the point of indirect game.

[Phoenix]

(03-23-2017 08:20 AM)Jack_Smith Wrote:  

I love making women cum. Over and over and in new and interesting ways.

Care to drop some data?

[Jack_Smith]

(03-23-2017 10:06 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:20 AM)Jack_Smith Wrote:  

I love making women cum. Over and over and in new and interesting ways.

Care to drop some data?

It's just always been my thing. I get turned on by a woman's response. The best is a woman who is the same. That feedback loop can build some pretty amazing shit. When I was in college, the conventional wisdom, backed by "research" and a bunch of feminist "academics" was that there was no such thing as the vaginal orgasm. Focused on the clit. First LTR, last couple years of college, totally reinforced this. She believed and preached that all orgasms were clitoral. She was also a "one and done" girl. At the time, I thought the sex was terrific, and it was. But then I discovered vaginally orgasmic women and multiply orgasmic women. Ultimately married one.

Fast forward to today, I am with a girl 1/2 my age (25). When we started, she was orgasmic by herself, but not with a partner, either vaginally or clitorally. Made her cum via intercourse several times the first time we were together. Built from there. The day we set her vaginal orgasm record, I lost count somewhere around 17, and that was from one session. She can also have multiple clitoral orgasms back to back. Record for that is four. Never had one before with a partner. And, as it turns out, she is also anally orgasmic. And I'm not talking about a clitoral orgasm delivered during anal penetration/stimulation. I'm talking about orgasms strictly from anal penetration/stimulation. Anal record is four back to back. I have made her cum by talking dirty/sexy to her while she dry humped my leg through her clothes, and I have come close to getting her off just with my voice. We think she may be able to cum from solely nipple stimulation and from giving head. This has all taken a lot of experimentation, work, and importantly, comfort and trust. We also have pretty magical chemistry.

She had no idea that she was capable of all this, nor did I. Many of her friends are developing sexually in their mid-twenties as well; learning that their bodies are capable of all kinds of things that they did not previously know. I think a lot of women come into their own sexually at that age. Learn how to cum vaginally, have multiples, etc., if they have not already.

So much of it is mental; getting her in the right headspace.

Anyway, not sure if that is what you meant by "data," but there you have it.

I want to find a way to systematically identify and acquire these types of girls. That's the purpose of game for me.

[blck]

@Jack_Smith
This is the third time I read about this, I think xsplat also talked about this kind of moves and also on some dom/sub forum.
Excellent post.

Mental training based on operand conditioning / pavlovian response seem to give greats results and can even create addiction.
Will follow on this.

[Sam Malone]

(03-23-2017 08:20 AM)Jack_Smith Wrote:  

Whisper in her ear how delicious she smells while you run your hand up her dress. If she objects or squirms, whisper "Stop. It's not me. You're making me do it." Look her in the eyes when you say that shit. She'll never mistake you for her BF again.

Jesus..

[Jack_Smith]

(03-23-2017 06:08 PM)blck Wrote:  

Mental training based on operand conditioning / pavlovian response seem to give greats results and can even create addiction.
Will follow on this.

Right. So once I read your note, I remembered when we were first starting out she would get these bruises on her arms, both sides,
and for weeks we couldn't figure out how. I hadn't thought I was manhandling her to that extent, but wasn't sure. Started paying closer attention in the heat of the moment, and eventually realized that she was doing it to herself - and triggering her orgasm. I had been working on setting up a different trigger point, but just took over hers. Fucking genius, that.

[lapalco]

i personally use their pussy as a trigger point. you go in really deep and squeeze. they seem to like it. especially when they say, "ouch." tell us how you do your trigger points.

[Jack_Smith]

(03-27-2017 07:15 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

i personally use their pussy as a trigger point. you go in really deep and squeeze. they seem to like it. especially when they say, "ouch."

Paint me old school, OP, but from your original post, it sounded more like your physique

(03-23-2017 07:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

i do have some flaws (30lbs overweight) that ... women ... find repulsive.

and "game"

(03-23-2017 07:30 AM)lapalco Wrote:  

...They think im boyfriend or husband material...

...the problem is overgaming...

...it takes 2 or 3 dates ... even if the girl is a total slut....

might be doing all your triggering...

[blck]

@Jack_Smith
Your Game need some explanations because I have to say that I'm far from there personally.
Even if the physical part is not too bad the psychological moves might bring some great helps and that's the part the common men got troubles to get.
- Triggering the bad girl script (Getting out of the Hubby/bf box)
- Being able to get your woman excited just by the thought of you doing something

At least point us through some direction

[The_e_man]

Hey OP, I have the opposite problem as you as I can get one night stands very easily, but I can't guarantee the girl will fall in love with me after or even stick around. Seems to be a total dice-toss after sex to see if they are going to fall for me or not.

I think you are doing one certain aspect of game too extreme and are deficient in the compliment area. And same problem with me but switched around the other way.

[Player_1337]

(03-27-2017 01:39 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Hey OP, I have the opposite problem as you as I can get one night stands very easily, but I can't guarantee the girl will fall in love with me after or even stick around. Seems to be a total dice-toss after sex to see if they are going to fall for me or not.

I think you are doing one certain aspect of game too extreme and are deficient in the compliment area. And same problem with me but switched around the other way.

Been tough for me as well, even if the sex and physical chemistry was strong. Regardless of the steps I take after the deed is done (not kicking them out immediately, sending a comfort text/'had a nice time' next day, etc.) I get the sense most feel slutty in the aftermath. Their hindbrain took over in the moment, but upon further reflection they probably can't convince themselves I'll stick around long-term and it will only be a fuck buddy dynamic at best.

[Repo]

Its hard to say without a more complete breakdown of your game and the vibe you are giving off. Why are they putting you in LMR category first date? Maybe tone down talking about yourself and your accomplishments. You may be making yourself a target for her "girl game", meaning making you wait and trying to get you emotionally invested.

As you know, the weight isnt helping but I don't think this is the root cause.

[The_e_man]

(03-27-2017 03:38 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 01:39 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Hey OP, I have the opposite problem as you as I can get one night stands very easily, but I can't guarantee the girl will fall in love with me after or even stick around. Seems to be a total dice-toss after sex to see if they are going to fall for me or not.

I think you are doing one certain aspect of game too extreme and are deficient in the compliment area. And same problem with me but switched around the other way.

Been tough for me as well, even if the sex and physical chemistry was strong. Regardless of the steps I take after the deed is done (not kicking them out immediately, sending a comfort text/'had a nice time' next day, etc.) I get the sense most feel slutty in the aftermath. Their hindbrain took over in the moment, but upon further reflection they probably can't convince themselves I'll stick around long-term and it will only be a fuck buddy dynamic at best.

Hey man, let's just give ourselves a healthy does of narcissistic grandiosity and assume we just ooze sexuality and masculine energy that enthrals women at their deepest core. And once the deed is done, they are so shaken down to the core that they don't want to ever ruin the moment by risking putting us in a beta provider box.
Whatever helps us sleep at night I suppose