[pants]

(03-11-2017 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Notice how pants doesn't answer the objection of why Trump is bad on the environment when most of the world's current leaders are fine with producing stuff in dirty ass China.

Intellectually bankrupt people will always avoid objections that shut them down completely.

Is that really the level you want to keep this discussion on?
911 just showed me even though he dont share my opinion he can engage in a civil debate. I will look into his post in detail, when this rig operation slow down.

Did i not mention relying on fossil fuel and coal for energy?
However i can add fracking on the list.

This used to be a pretty good board about travel lifestyle and gaming. But when it comes to politics its not really a debate in here. Just endless pages of memes of Donald trump memes.

So below is the guy you elected president. This is the guy you can't even have a debate about his views on environmental issues without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Please go ahead defend his understanding aerosols affect on the ozone layer.

[EDantes]

(03-11-2017 01:33 PM)pants Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Notice how pants doesn't answer the objection of why Trump is bad on the environment when most of the world's current leaders are fine with producing stuff in dirty ass China.

Intellectually bankrupt people will always avoid objections that shut them down completely.

Is that really the level you want to keep this discussion on?
911 just showed me even though he dont share my opinion he can engage in a civil debate. I will look into his post in detail, when this rig operation slow down.

Did i not mention relying on fossil fuel and coal for energy?
However i can add fracking on the list.

This used to be a pretty good board about travel lifestyle and gaming. But when it comes to politics its not really a debate in here. Just endless pages of memes of Donald trump memes.

So below is the guy you elected president. This is the guy you can't even have a debate about his views on environmental issues without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Please go ahead defend his understanding aerosols affect on the ozone layer.

I suppose I'm less worried about his alleged misunderstanding over hairspray than I am Obama's misunderstanding that a 40 year old man with a penis in a dress is not a "woman", something which would get you flunked out of a Kindergarden level science exam.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Yeah - we saved the Ozone layer - another scam:



https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/26/d...one-layer/

Pants - give it a rest already - if you want to slavishly follow the consensus, then please explain:

+ why the Al Gore Earth temperature rise preceded the rise in CO2 centuries?
+ why they changed the name of global warming to climate change despite claims that within a few years snow would be unknown in Europe and US?

Fuck that .... if you want to go to the consensus then go to any US college accept anything the professors tell you - anything that they have agreed upon in consensus:

+ gender is a construct
+ the future is feminine
+ females are smarter and better
+ both genders are absolutely equal
+ all races, all cultures, all religions are equal

Go accept every bloody thing that is supported by the scientific current-year-consensus.

[pants]

(03-10-2017 06:32 PM)911 Wrote:  

It's all good Pants. Here's the short answer on the question:

-human made CO2 is only 4% of total CO2, and it's been growing
steadily well before human CO2 became important. At this point
the greenhouse effect from any extra CO2 is very marginal, because
that effect is limited to a very narrow wave spectrum band. Here is
the relationship between additional CO2 and warming effect:

I had a brief look through your post, and i will find some time to look on the video/webpage with time.

However the first statement, what do you mean by 4%? Before humans started to extract fossile fuel. The amount was below 300 ppm according to samples. Now its above 400 ppm. Where does 4% come in?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Fantastic news - the mini-ice is gone - the temperature should have been shooting through the roof if CO2 had any meaningful reaction - actually beginning form the 1880s it should have created paradise on earth. Unfortunately as a green gas it does not amount to much.

[pants]

(03-11-2017 02:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Yeah - we saved the Ozone layer - another scam:



https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/26/d...one-layer/

I see a graph showing a hole in the ozone layer increasing correlating with the amount of dangerous chemicals (chlorofluorocarbons) released in the atmosphere.

Then i see the size of the hole remains even after KFK gasses were reduced to near zero. And i take it that you and the whatsupwiththat webpage takes it as proof if couldn't have been KFK gasses who made a hole in the ozone layer. The way i would interperate the data is -> KFK did damage the ozone layer, when we stopped adding more KFK to the atmosphere, the growth of the hole slowed down, then the growth stopped, then it takes even more years to break down the chemicals as well as for new ozone molecules to form. According to scientist they expect the hole to be gone around 2050.
This was a time scientist discovered a problem, they identified what was causing the problem, politicians enforced regulation to fix the problem. Now our generation can enjoy walking outside without being roasted.

Now our generation might be faced with a similar problem (climate change).



+ why the Al Gore Earth temperature rise preceded the rise in CO2 centuries?

pants: I dont understand what you talk about here, care to elaborate?

+ why they changed the name of global warming to climate change despite claims that within a few years snow would be unknown in Europe and US?

pants: My understanding is they changed the name because "global warming" was confusing as it will not necessary be warmer everywhere. However the average temperatures was higher. that was the reason for the original name.

Fuck that .... if you want to go to the consensus then go to any US college accept anything the professors tell you - anything that they have agreed upon in consensus:

pants: Why would i accept everything they throw at me? As i said in my original post on many issues i support trump.
All the bullet-points below i disagree with.

+ gender is a construct
+ the future is feminine
+ females are smarter and better
+ both genders are absolutely equal
+ all races, all cultures, all religions are equal

Go accept every bloody thing that is supported by the scientific current-year-consensus.

[Gmac]

(03-11-2017 01:33 PM)pants Wrote:  

(03-11-2017 01:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Notice how pants doesn't answer the objection of why Trump is bad on the environment when most of the world's current leaders are fine with producing stuff in dirty ass China.

Intellectually bankrupt people will always avoid objections that shut them down completely.

Is that really the level you want to keep this discussion on?
911 just showed me even though he dont share my opinion he can engage in a civil debate. I will look into his post in detail, when this rig operation slow down.

Did i not mention relying on fossil fuel and coal for energy?
However i can add fracking on the list.

This used to be a pretty good board about travel lifestyle and gaming. But when it comes to politics its not really a debate in here. Just endless pages of memes of Donald trump memes.

So below is the guy you elected president. This is the guy you can't even have a debate about his views on environmental issues without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Please go ahead defend his understanding aerosols affect on the ozone layer.

Like most Trump haters you miss the point completely. Way over your head.

[911]

(03-11-2017 03:08 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Like most Trump haters you miss the point completely. Way over your head.

Yes, it's more about Trump having common sense, and because he is his own man,
being able to speak up and challenge the increasingly out of whack modern dogmas.
His critics get caught up on stuff like the hair spay rant or his personal style,
missing the big picture, because they haven't spent the time or lack the
critical skills to deconstruct the established narrative.

I think we should give guys like Pants some leeway, provided they're not trolling,
because the transition from blue to red pill takes a good deal of work.
There is a lot of propaganda to undo.

(03-11-2017 02:05 PM)pants Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 06:32 PM)911 Wrote:  

It's all good Pants. Here's the short answer on the question:

-human made CO2 is only 4% of total CO2, and it's been growing
steadily well before human CO2 became important. At this point
the greenhouse effect from any extra CO2 is very marginal, because
that effect is limited to a very narrow wave spectrum band. Here is
the relationship between additional CO2 and warming effect:

I had a brief look through your post, and i will find some time to look on the video/webpage with time.

However the first statement, what do you mean by 4%? Before humans started to extract fossile fuel. The amount was below 300 ppm according to samples. Now its above 400 ppm. Where does 4% come in?

First, the ice core measurements, which are the CO2 measurements
most widely used by warmists and the IPCC, aren't as reliable as proxies
for historic CO2 levels. Here are two different data sets, the first one is
from stomatal measurements in Mt. Rainier (Washington State) pine needles
(Kouwenberg study, 2004):

Quote:

Some have asserted that there is no geological precedent;
claiming atmospheric CO2 concentrations have risen faster in the last
150 years than at any time in recent geological history. Ice core-derived
CO2 data certainly do indicate that CO2 has not risen above ~310 ppmv
at any point in the last 600,000 years and that it varies little at the decade
or century scale. However, there are other methods for estimating past
atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

Plants “breathe” CO2 through microscopic epidermal pores called stomata.
The density of plant stomata varies inversely with the atmospheric partial
pressure of CO2. Several recent studies of plant stomata from living,
herbarium and fossil samples of plant tissue have shown that atmospheric
CO2 fluctuations comparable to that seen in the industrial era have been
fairly common throughout the Holocene and Recent times.

Plant stomata measurements reveal large variations in atmospheric CO2
concentrations over the tast 2,000 years that are not apparent in
ice core data

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/10/o...kes-again/

Here is another CO2 historic series, based on 200,000 data points
from the last 200 years:



http://www.biomind.de/realCO2/

Notice that if CO2 falls below 200ppm, plants barely have
enough CO2 to survive. If those levels dropped to 150ppm range,
nearly all crops would collapse and the world would starve...
The increse in CO2 has been a tremendous boon to humanity,
the warmists are panicking over the rise from 300ppm to 400ppm,
when in fact further increases would be great. People who run
greenhouses boost their CO2 levels to around 1,000ppm to
maximize plant growth. Without this, you could barely grow
tomatoes in Holland during winter.

In the past, CO2 levels have been as high as 4,000ppm without any adverse
effects to plants or animals, some of which like the horseshoe crab have not
changed since, so the ocean acidification alarmism is also a canard.

As to the proportion of human-made CO2, here is a graph taken from
the IPCC (the gospel of alarmist global warming) that gives you a visual
representation of the CO2 cycle, putting human and natural sources side by side:





More detailed presentations from Oz prof. Murry Salby:

and from Princeton prof William Harper:

and a shorter rundown from the guy who runs the best Youtube channel
on the subject, 100froly:

[komatiite]

911 makes great points about ice core's unreliability but even when I see ice core data being cited by Leftist "scientists" I can't help but wonder why they don't elaborate on the point Zel made above on how ice core data suggests that ELevated CO2 levels LAG temperature rises by 800 years. An inconvenient truth on global warming I suppose, so they don't bring it up.



Global climate probably only rises due to solar variations or extreme geologic events like the basaltic floods in Siberia that led to the Permian mass extinction. There is evidence suggesting that these basaltic floods increased oceanic concentrations of Nickel which promoted the population explosion of Methanosarcina which ended up belching a shitload of CH4 into the atmosphere and the climate rose because methane is a greenhouse gas that can actually do some damage unlike CO2. Here's a good link on that:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...xtinction/

Then once the global climate rises, CO2 increases because colder climates become more populated with organisms that release CO2.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The reason why global-warming-pushers can deny plausability is because they don't look at the data or the solid documentaries/talks out there which disprove the claims made by the trillion-dollar-lobby.

It is like Swedish Feminists who only look at feminist "research" to prove all their obnoxious points - they don't even bother reading ex-Feminist statements.

This CO2 temperature correlation was cited by every fucking propagandist incl. Al Gore - too bad that CO2 follows temperature rises - nevermind that the high temperature periods on Earth were most certainly much more beneficial for life itself.

[Jaihoo]

Well, well, well.........................

[Simeon_Strangelight]

OP retroactively vindicated! Or at least it appears that way. Currently it looks like that.

[BrewDog]

(02-28-2017 08:11 PM)Le Sigh Wrote:  

Trump is the' 7D-chess counterpunch by the globoelites, an agent of chaos brought on to speed up the destabilizion of America and the world so much that the uber-totalitarian rule of the Left will be seen as welcomed/rational choice after this. That is it. His role is to led astray. That is his only REAL role. All that feigned outrage in the public/MSM is a theater for the masses. And all that tough talk on the part of Trump is a theater too.

Are you from the future?

[pants]

(04-09-2017 12:54 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:11 PM)Le Sigh Wrote:  

Trump is the' 7D-chess counterpunch by the globoelites, an agent of chaos brought on to speed up the destabilizion of America and the world so much that the uber-totalitarian rule of the Left will be seen as welcomed/rational choice after this. That is it. His role is to led astray. That is his only REAL role. All that feigned outrage in the public/MSM is a theater for the masses. And all that tough talk on the part of Trump is a theater too.

Are you from the future?

This is not true either.

Trump is a selfish son of a rich real estate developer. He is very talented populist "bully", who knows how to talk to groups of people. He lies so good he dont even know it himself. He is not an idealist. He can change his mind very fast depending on the people trying to push their own agenda. He will listen to people trying to flatter him.

His travel ban did not fail on purpose. It was just garbage.
His health care reform did not fail on purpose either. If was just a weak bill.

[captain_shane]

This is all very confusing right now. Trump had two options the day he became was inaugurated.

A: Become one of the most loved presidents in generations, and set up his family to become a potential political dynasty, or

B: Turn your back on virtually everything you ran on and become the most hated president in history.

I had several questions about Trump while he was running, but I figured that a guy with an ego the size of his, who has a net worth of 5-10 billion dollars, and is 70 years old would at least try hold the majority of his promises.

Things still aren't clear right now what's actually going on, so I'll refrain from making any conclusive statement and leave here with what I believe are the only possibilities of what's happening.


Option 1: Trump is a genius and still on our side. He talked to Putin and Assad and had all of this planned out so that he could kill off the war mongers praising him.

Option 2: Trump's fucking stupid and being manipulated by everyone around him like he's a child.

Option 3: Trump was threatened somewhere along the line to start towing the line. Family members threatened, etc

Option 4: Trump was a part of the plan from the very beginning, and the real powers have the same dirt on him as they did/do with Clinton, Bush, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Sanders, etc


Option 1 and option 4 seem the most likely to me. Trump clearly isn't stupid, and I don't believe he would change everything over a few threats to his family. Remember, Trump and his father both have had ties to extremely shady people. A few threats wouldn't do it.

So it's either that Trump is a genius and we just need to wait, or option 4.

Option 4 can only be about one thing:







Alexander Acosta

Quote:

A decade ago, a Miami Beach father who traveled to Cambodia to pay for sex with three underage girls was found guilty in federal court and convicted of sex tourism involving children.

Kent Frank, 50, was sentenced to 40 years in prison. Miami’s U.S. attorney at the time, Alex Acosta, declared in a news release that society “cannot permit such individuals to seek sanctuary in our community.”

“We will prosecute sexual abuse of children aggressively, both when the targets are children in our community and when the defendants travel to target children abroad,” he vowed.

But Acosta, now President Donald Trump’s nominee for secretary of labor, made a very different call in another, far more sordid case just months later. The agreement Acosta approved for Palm Beach billionaire Jeffrey Epstein — a “sweetheart plea deal,” according to attorneys for Epstein’s victims — could come back to haunt his Senate confirmation hearing if any senators question Acosta’s judgment in one of the most high-profile cases of his career.

Using his private staff to coordinate the illicit sexual activity, Epstein had paid dozens of girls cash to engage in nude massages, masturbation, oral sex and intercourse in his palatial mansions in Palm Beach, New York City and the U.S. Virgin Islands between 1999 and 2005.

Epstein, then 55 and defended by an all-star legal team, pleaded guilty to a state charge of soliciting minors for prostitution. He registered as a sex offender in Florida and agreed to pay damages to 40 female victims ranging in age from 13 to 17 years old. As part of the plea agreement negotiated by Acosta’s office, Epstein wouldn’t be charged in federal court — even though the feds had drawn up a proposed 53-page indictment that carried potential punishment ranging from a mandatory 10 years in prison up to a life sentence.

Epstein ended up serving just over a year in a Palm Beach County Stockade — while local authorities allowed him during his incarceration to go to work or do whatever he wanted for six days out of every week.

Acosta’s “non-prosecution agreement” — initially kept secret from Epstein’s victims — was signed by the billionaire and his lawyers in September 2007 and amended through the end of that year. The deal also immunized several of his co-conspirators from federal prosecution, a rare bonus.

Source

Ghislaine Maxwell

Daughter of Robert Maxwell

Robert Maxwell:

Quote:

born Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch, was a British media proprietor and Member of Parliament (MP). Originally from Czechoslovakia, he rose from poverty to build an extensive publishing empire. After Maxwell's death, huge discrepancies in his companies' finances were revealed, including his fraudulent misappropriation of the Mirror Group pension fund.

Early in his life Maxwell escaped from Nazi occupation, joined the Czechoslovak Army in exile in the Second World War and was decorated after active service in the British Army. In subsequent years he worked in publishing, building up Pergamon Press to a major publishing house. After six years as an MP during the 1960s, he again put all his energy into business, successively buying the British Printing Corporation, Mirror Group Newspapers and Macmillan, Inc, among other publishing companies.

Maxwell had a flamboyant lifestyle, living in Headington Hill Hall in Oxford from which he often flew in his helicopter, and sailing in his luxury yacht, the Lady Ghislaine. He was notably litigious and often embroiled in controversy, including about his support for Israel at the time of the 1948 Palestine war. In 1989, he had to sell successful businesses, including Pergamon Press, to cover some of his debts. In 1991, his body was discovered floating in the Atlantic Ocean having fallen overboard from his yacht. He was buried in Jerusalem.

Maxwell's death triggered the collapse of his publishing empire as banks called in loans. His sons briefly struggled to keep the business together, but failed as the news emerged that Maxwell had stolen hundreds of millions of pounds from his own companies' pension funds. The Maxwell companies applied for bankruptcy protection in 1992.

Quote:

On 5 November 1991, he was last in contact with the crew of the Lady Ghislaine, his yacht, at 4:25 a.m. local time, but was found to be missing later in the morning. Maxwell was presumed to have fallen overboard from the vessel which was cruising off the Canary Islands, and his naked body was subsequently recovered from the Atlantic Ocean. The official ruling at a Madrid inquest held in December 1991 was death by a heart attack combined with accidental drowning, although three pathologists had been unable to agree on the cause of his death at the inquest; he had been found to have been suffering from serious heart and lung conditions. Murder was ruled out by the judge and, in effect, so was suicide. He was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

Quote:

Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate intelligence agency, Ari Ben-Menashe, had approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the United States with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that in 1986 Maxwell had told the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu had given information about Israel's nuclear capability to the Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for 18 years.

So the daughter of a mossad spy happens to be friends with people like this:

Prince Andrew



Bloomberg



Bill Clinton



Rupert Murdoch



Donald Trump




----------------

This is all very conspiracy theoryish, but when looking deeper into Trump's connections with Espstein and Maxwell, these pictures become VERY suspect.





--------------------------------

I believe Esptein and Maxwell are Mossad agents that blackmail high profile individuals. They procure underage girls and use them as honey-pots against people like Clinton and Trump.

The people cheering these attacks in Syria and regime change are almost all compromised or just useful idiots like that stooge Bill Mitchell.

[nomadbrah]

^ It's possible they have something on Trump.

There's absolutely no doubt that Mossad controls politicians by underage sex rings.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Look - of course it is 99,99% likely that he took part in Epstein's parties. The charges against him by the way were not about pedophilia, but about underage teenage girls who suddenly later changed their minds sniffing a payoff. That is why he got released so soon.

Whether Trump can be compromised?

There is little reason to compromise him, the globalists can kill anyone anytime, give your daughter cancer or a car accident. Compromising someone via dirt is stuff you see on TV. That is not how our system works - maybe at some lower level, but not at presidential one.

[kamoz]

(04-09-2017 02:25 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

Things still aren't clear right now what's actually going on, so I'll refrain from making any conclusive statement and leave here with what I believe are the only possibilities of what's happening.


Option 1: Trump is a genius and still on our side. He talked to Putin and Assad and had all of this planned out so that he could kill off the war mongers praising him.

Option 2: Trump's fucking stupid and being manipulated by everyone around him like he's a child.

Option 3: Trump was threatened somewhere along the line to start towing the line. Family members threatened, etc

Option 4: Trump was a part of the plan from the very beginning, and the real powers have the same dirt on him as they did/do with Clinton, Bush, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Sanders, etc


Option 1 and option 4 seem the most likely to me. Trump clearly isn't stupid, and I don't believe he would change everything over a few threats to his family. Remember, Trump and his father both have had ties to extremely shady people. A few threats wouldn't do it.

So it's either that Trump is a genius and we just need to wait, or option 4.

Agree with Zel's post - and regarding the options I have to say that option 3 is the most likely. Remember that Trump has been talking about the bad path this country has been on for 20+ years!! There is also no way he would have been able to pull off such a high energy campaign that was so consistent with his beliefs and put his heart into all of it.

Things only changed once he got into office. I think things look pretty obvious.

[frenchcorporation]

(04-09-2017 02:25 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

----------------

This is all very conspiracy theoryish, but when looking deeper into Trump's connections with Espstein and Maxwell, these pictures become VERY suspect.





--------------------------------

Those pics were already suspect, Trump has said on TV he might have dated Ivanka if he wasnt related to her.

[rpg]

All I can say after seeing those pics is Ivanka was fine, fine, fine when she was a teenager. Wow. They must have dirt on her from ex boyfriends.

[Orson]

(04-09-2017 01:11 PM)pants Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 12:54 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 08:11 PM)Le Sigh Wrote:  

Trump is the' 7D-chess counterpunch by the globoelites, an agent of chaos brought on to speed up the destabilizion of America and the world so much that the uber-totalitarian rule of the Left will be seen as welcomed/rational choice after this. That is it. His role is to led astray. That is his only REAL role. All that feigned outrage in the public/MSM is a theater for the masses. And all that tough talk on the part of Trump is a theater too.

Are you from the future?

This is not true either.

Trump is a selfish son of a rich real estate developer. He is very talented populist "bully", who knows how to talk to groups of people. He lies so good he dont even know it himself. He is not an idealist. He can change his mind very fast depending on the people trying to push their own agenda. He will listen to people trying to flatter him.

His travel ban did not fail on purpose. It was just garbage.
His health care reform did not fail on purpose either. If was just a weak bill.

Let's get back to the OPs point: concern about Trump going wobbly in foreign affairs because of Syria.

My hope is that it is not so. My thinking that this is all about bargaining position in getting a coalition of nations to take down ISIS-land -- Trump style negotiating tactics, ie, stake out the most extreme position and later settle for what you want.

Even now this is his greatest priority. If Putin abetted Assad's use of WMD, he's using that to pin Putin to Russia's greatest international interest: controlling Syria and keeping Assad as his bitch.

Since that's the most predictable element in this equation, and since taking our Raqqa and ISIS means scattering of terrorists to their closest point of escape - like Syria - locking Putin down in Syria to take care of them is in their congruent interests.

In strategic terms, it amounts to using your rival power to secure the most important variable in achieving your ultimate end: pacifying this region, and leading allied nations to do it.

If so, I call Trump's negotiating stance the present circumstances smart.

[Zamyatin]

(03-02-2017 12:16 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

One thing to watch closely is how Trump deals with Russia. You can give him a pass on the difficulty of reversing 50 years of policy overnight, but making a deal with Putin is something he has the power to do. If we have another cold war with Russia, then we will know we have been had.

Prophetic words. We've been had.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(03-10-2017 01:01 PM)pants Wrote:  

Why was OP banned?

I get there are a lot of Trump supporters on this forum, and i am fine with that.
But there should still be possible to discuss trump critically.
I´m pro trump on certain issues. immigration, trade, anti-pc.

But when it comes to environment, i am anti-trump.

Would be nice to keep this thread as a critical thread. The Donald trump is filled with memes, and cheerleaders of trump.

Posters that have less than I believe 50 posts cannot talk about politics. It's in the forum rules now.

[Samseau]

Not a lot of critical thinking in this thread.

Of course Trump met Epstein. It's a small world in the Billionaire tier.

If Trump had engaged in the pedo parties they would have released footage of him during the general. The worst they had was the trump pussy tapes.

For all we know, Trump was instrumental in getting charges brought against Epstein had he witnessed something at one of the parties. The speculation is just really over the top. I get that you hate Trump irrationally, but that doesn't mean you need to lose the ability to reason on other things.

Also there's nothing remotely suspicious about Trump's photos with Ivanka, there are plenty of daughters who love their fathers out there.

[nomadbrah]

(04-10-2017 02:50 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Not a lot of critical thinking in this thread.

Of course Trump met Epstein. It's a small world in the Billionaire tier.

If Trump had engaged in the pedo parties they would have released footage of him during the general. The worst they had was the trump pussy tapes.

For all we know, Trump was instrumental in getting charges brought against Epstein had he witnessed something at one of the parties. The speculation is just really over the top. I get that you hate Trump irrationally, but that doesn't mean you need to lose the ability to reason on other things.

Also there's nothing remotely suspicious about Trump's photos with Ivanka, there are plenty of daughters who love their fathers out there.

Then what is that they used against Trump, because you agree that Trump has been compromised right?