Last year I became determined to get fast and strong with a lot of endurance at the same damn time. I had the idea to start experimenting with alternating between a week of pure slow-twitch training and a week of pure fast-twitch training.
I didn't stick to it but now I'm determined to try it consistently and see what happens. I'll use this thread as a case study to what this kind of routine does, keep myself accountable to it, post updates on my progress, and collect ideas and studies on slow/fast twitch alteration training.
The Theory
I came up with the idea to do this on my own—and I'm sure someone else has tried it before—but I'm not familiar with any studies or literature that specifically talk about this kind of routine.
It's simple enough, so I'm sure it's out there, but right now I'm working off of very basic exercise science principles to predict a best and worst case scenario for what this program will do. In other words, it's bro science at this point and I want to test what it actually would do.
The idea works off of these basic principles:
Fast-twitch (type IIb) muscle fibers are built for speed, strength, and raw explosive power. They are larger than slow-twitch fibers but burn out quickly. Again, common sense suggests purely focusing on these muscles is the best way to improve them.
There is a hybrid type of muscle fiber (the one Elliott Hulse always talks about) called Type IIa. This type is physically the largest and provides strength and power yields similar to fast-twitch fibers, but also has endurance more similar than that of slow-twitch. Athletically and functionally, this is seen as the most valuable kind of muscle fiber and it is said that through training, Type IIb fibers are transformed into Type IIa.
So if we're to do a program training only slow-twitch, it would look like high continuous reps at a low intensity. If we were to do a program training only fast-twitch, it would like a few sets at very low reps with a lot of rest and very high intensity.
But what would a Type IIa program look like, and wouldn't it be most beneficial to do a program?
According to Elliott Hulse, one of the more famous (and controversial) online fitness gurus to focus on Type IIa, he talks about doing a pure fast-twitch day but with more volume. Then he says to do the next day as a pure day of muscle building (which is low intensity, high volume, low rest and therefore closer to a slow-twitch day, but designed to create a blood pump in the muscles). Then a day of "functional strength" that is high intensity, low volume, and low rest intervals but is prolonged high intensity, doing movements like heavy farmer's carries.
What that all boils down to is an approach that breaks the week down into these three days: 1) day that focuses on fast-twitch but uses one slow-twitch factor (volume), 2) day that focuses on slow-twitch, and 3) a hybrid day that splits the factors used to train both kinds of muscle.
It seems then that a Type IIa day to Hulse is doing a high-intensity activity that can be prolonged past a simple instantaneous burst. Athletic activities like boxing, BJJ, wrestling, rugby, football, or strongman activities like tire flipping fall into this category. That's why Type IIa is seen as the athlete's most valuable muscle fiber.
You could always train exclusively Type IIa and only do strongman activities or only do sports, but there are two reasons I don't want to do that: 1) the added aesthetic benefits of targeted weight lifting are something I want to have, and 2) I want to improve my pure strength and pure low-intensity endurance beyond what only Type IIa can produce.
That means increasing my Type I, Type II, and Type IIa all at once. Hulse seems to agree, as he incorporates days that are more or less pure slow or fast-twitch days only. But he does this by switching day-by-day, hitting the same muscle groups on consecutive days with fast-twitch and slow-twitch days.
*That doesn't seem as efficient to me as having a block of time dedicated solely to fast-twitch or slow-twitch muscle growth, then allowing the body to recover and build a solid foundation of that kind of muscle before starting to break down the body and build a new kind.
No matter what kind of training you do—slow-twitch oriented or fast-twitch oriented—your body will always respond with a combination of one of these two main types plus an incidental increase in Type IIa, so it seems that you should be able to mix Type IIa with a Type IIb (or fast-twitch) routine, or mix Type IIa with Type I, but mixing Type I and Type II doesn't seem productive in my eyes.
If the cycle of fast vs. slow training is long enough, then one could build pure fast twitch, then pure slow twitch, plus incidental transformations of Type IIb to Type IIa along the way.
And if the cycle was short enough, these could be done concurrently with minimal loss to either type. So, if I didn't touch my Type IIb fibers doing a Type I cycle, yet the Type I cycle was short enough to let me see Type I gains without slowing down my Type IIb gains, I could hypothetically make huge leaps in building Type I fibers (similar to if I were only training that), but making similar leaps in Type IIb fibers and Type IIa fibers as well. Muscle mass, pure strength, pure endurance, and athletic strength and endurance would all increase at the most optimal rates.
That is the goal of this program—have a week of pure Type I, rest long enough to build a solid mass of Type I fibers, have a week of pure Type IIb, then have intervening Type IIa workouts in both that would neither disturb the pure Type I/Type IIb gains and also stimulate extra Type IIa growth.
Now what will actually happen?
Best Case
If it works, one would grow slow twitch muscles at the same rate as fast twitch, getting both stronger and faster at the same time.
Since your body is also continuously getting shocked, plateaus would in theory be a lot harder to come across.
This would mean more consistent gains, more raw strength, more pure endurance, and greater cross-over of endurance at moderate intensity/athletic situations. And it would mean strength gains more similar to a raw powerlifter than an athlete and much more endurance than an athlete who only lifts heavy.
Worst Case
I confuse my body's response to the training I'm doing and end up stunting all my gains or become overtrained. Or I simply get weaker/plateau because I work everything yet have too long of a break of from any one thing to see those gains in Type I, Type IIb, or Type IIa.
The Program
A Week (Type I)
Monday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Tuesday
Morning
Warm-Up
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Light, Instruction Only, No Free Rolling)
Wednesday
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Thursday
Morning
Warm-Up
Morning
Warm-Up
Abs
Calves
Monday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Tuesday
Morning
Warm-Up
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Light, Instruction Only, No Free Rolling)
Wednesday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Thursday
Morning or Afternoon
Warm-Up
Morning or Afternoon
Warm-Up
Morning or Afternoon
Abs
Calves
Notes
Why are the weights the amounts they are?
I work with the equipment I have at home and structure my program so I can use what I have. I have two 80 lb. kettle bells, two 30 lb. chains, and a headband-style neck weight that is 10 lb. I also have access to a pull-up bar and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu gym that also has heavy bags. That's more than enough for now. When I start to outgrow these things, I'll replace them.
Are the abs and calves the same for both weeks?
Yes. I won't be switching for Type I/Type II for my abs or calves. I've been lazy for the last few months on abs and I'm starting my old ab routine again. That will be my control for this experiment—if I gain on abs as I normally do, that'll mean there isn't any overall overtraining or stalling of overall strength gains.
I didn't stick to it but now I'm determined to try it consistently and see what happens. I'll use this thread as a case study to what this kind of routine does, keep myself accountable to it, post updates on my progress, and collect ideas and studies on slow/fast twitch alteration training.
The Theory
I came up with the idea to do this on my own—and I'm sure someone else has tried it before—but I'm not familiar with any studies or literature that specifically talk about this kind of routine.
It's simple enough, so I'm sure it's out there, but right now I'm working off of very basic exercise science principles to predict a best and worst case scenario for what this program will do. In other words, it's bro science at this point and I want to test what it actually would do.
The idea works off of these basic principles:
- Slow-twitch training is the best way to get endurance
- Fast-twitch training is the best way to get faster and stronger
- Doing fast and slow twitch movements in one workout is not ideal for either muscle type*
Fast-twitch (type IIb) muscle fibers are built for speed, strength, and raw explosive power. They are larger than slow-twitch fibers but burn out quickly. Again, common sense suggests purely focusing on these muscles is the best way to improve them.
There is a hybrid type of muscle fiber (the one Elliott Hulse always talks about) called Type IIa. This type is physically the largest and provides strength and power yields similar to fast-twitch fibers, but also has endurance more similar than that of slow-twitch. Athletically and functionally, this is seen as the most valuable kind of muscle fiber and it is said that through training, Type IIb fibers are transformed into Type IIa.
So if we're to do a program training only slow-twitch, it would look like high continuous reps at a low intensity. If we were to do a program training only fast-twitch, it would like a few sets at very low reps with a lot of rest and very high intensity.
But what would a Type IIa program look like, and wouldn't it be most beneficial to do a program?
According to Elliott Hulse, one of the more famous (and controversial) online fitness gurus to focus on Type IIa, he talks about doing a pure fast-twitch day but with more volume. Then he says to do the next day as a pure day of muscle building (which is low intensity, high volume, low rest and therefore closer to a slow-twitch day, but designed to create a blood pump in the muscles). Then a day of "functional strength" that is high intensity, low volume, and low rest intervals but is prolonged high intensity, doing movements like heavy farmer's carries.
What that all boils down to is an approach that breaks the week down into these three days: 1) day that focuses on fast-twitch but uses one slow-twitch factor (volume), 2) day that focuses on slow-twitch, and 3) a hybrid day that splits the factors used to train both kinds of muscle.
It seems then that a Type IIa day to Hulse is doing a high-intensity activity that can be prolonged past a simple instantaneous burst. Athletic activities like boxing, BJJ, wrestling, rugby, football, or strongman activities like tire flipping fall into this category. That's why Type IIa is seen as the athlete's most valuable muscle fiber.
You could always train exclusively Type IIa and only do strongman activities or only do sports, but there are two reasons I don't want to do that: 1) the added aesthetic benefits of targeted weight lifting are something I want to have, and 2) I want to improve my pure strength and pure low-intensity endurance beyond what only Type IIa can produce.
That means increasing my Type I, Type II, and Type IIa all at once. Hulse seems to agree, as he incorporates days that are more or less pure slow or fast-twitch days only. But he does this by switching day-by-day, hitting the same muscle groups on consecutive days with fast-twitch and slow-twitch days.
*That doesn't seem as efficient to me as having a block of time dedicated solely to fast-twitch or slow-twitch muscle growth, then allowing the body to recover and build a solid foundation of that kind of muscle before starting to break down the body and build a new kind.
No matter what kind of training you do—slow-twitch oriented or fast-twitch oriented—your body will always respond with a combination of one of these two main types plus an incidental increase in Type IIa, so it seems that you should be able to mix Type IIa with a Type IIb (or fast-twitch) routine, or mix Type IIa with Type I, but mixing Type I and Type II doesn't seem productive in my eyes.
If the cycle of fast vs. slow training is long enough, then one could build pure fast twitch, then pure slow twitch, plus incidental transformations of Type IIb to Type IIa along the way.
And if the cycle was short enough, these could be done concurrently with minimal loss to either type. So, if I didn't touch my Type IIb fibers doing a Type I cycle, yet the Type I cycle was short enough to let me see Type I gains without slowing down my Type IIb gains, I could hypothetically make huge leaps in building Type I fibers (similar to if I were only training that), but making similar leaps in Type IIb fibers and Type IIa fibers as well. Muscle mass, pure strength, pure endurance, and athletic strength and endurance would all increase at the most optimal rates.
That is the goal of this program—have a week of pure Type I, rest long enough to build a solid mass of Type I fibers, have a week of pure Type IIb, then have intervening Type IIa workouts in both that would neither disturb the pure Type I/Type IIb gains and also stimulate extra Type IIa growth.
Now what will actually happen?
Best Case
If it works, one would grow slow twitch muscles at the same rate as fast twitch, getting both stronger and faster at the same time.
Since your body is also continuously getting shocked, plateaus would in theory be a lot harder to come across.
This would mean more consistent gains, more raw strength, more pure endurance, and greater cross-over of endurance at moderate intensity/athletic situations. And it would mean strength gains more similar to a raw powerlifter than an athlete and much more endurance than an athlete who only lifts heavy.
Worst Case
I confuse my body's response to the training I'm doing and end up stunting all my gains or become overtrained. Or I simply get weaker/plateau because I work everything yet have too long of a break of from any one thing to see those gains in Type I, Type IIb, or Type IIa.
The Program
A Week (Type I)
Monday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Tuesday
Morning
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 3x15 80 lb. Kettle Bell Front Squats
- 3x20 Bridges w/ 2x30 lb. Chains
- 2x1 min. Wall Sits w/ 80 lb. Kettle Bell
- 3x10 Clapping Push-Ups to 2x Aztec Push-Ups to 3x Push-Ups (15x Total)
- 21's Pull-Ups
- 21's Chin-Ups
- 3x20 Military Press w/ 2x 30 lb. Chains
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Light, Instruction Only, No Free Rolling)
Wednesday
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Thursday
Morning
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 10x Kettle Bell Farmer's Carries (40 yards) w/ 2x 80 lb. Kettle Bells & 30 lb. Chains
- 3x20 Bridges w/ 2x 30 lb. Chains
- 2x1 min. Wall Sits w/ 80 lb. Kettle Bell
- 3x10 Clapping Push-Ups to 2x Aztec Push-Ups to 3x Push-Ups (15x Total)
- 21's Pull-Ups
- 21's Chin-Ups
- 2x1 min. Forward Small Arm Circles
- 2x1 min. Backward Small Arm Circles
Morning
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 10x Kettle Bell Farmer's Carries (40 yards) w/ 2x 80 lb. Kettle Bells & 30 lb. Chains
- 3x15 80 lb. Kettle Bell Front Squats
- 3x20 Chains Deadlifts w/ 2x 30 lb. Chains (Each Arm)
- 2x1 min. Forward Small Arm Circles
- 2x1 min. Forward Small Arm Circles
- 3x20 Military Press w/ 2x 30 lb. Chains
Abs
Calves
- 3x21s w/ 2x 80 lb. Kettle Bells
- 21s One-Leg (Bodyweight Only)
Monday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Tuesday
Morning
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 3x3 Pistol Squats wearing 30 lb. Chains
- 3x3 80 lb. Kettle Bell Clean (Each Arm)
- 3x5 Suitcase Deadlifts 2x80 lb. Kettle Bells w/ 30 lb. Chains
- 3x3 One-Handed Push-Ups
- 3x5 Pull-Ups wearing 2x30 lb. Chains
- 5x5 OHP an 80 lb. Kettle Bell
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Light, Instruction Only, No Free Rolling)
Wednesday (Type IIa Day)
Morning
Abs
Afternoon
Boxing Heavy Bag & Sparring 30 min. (Opt.)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu 2 Hours (Hard)
Thursday
Morning or Afternoon
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 3x3 One-Leg Bridges w/ 2x 80lb. Kettle Bells on Stomach
- 3x3 80 lb. Kettle Bell Clean (Each Arm)
- 3x5 Suitcase Deadlifts 2x80 lb. Kettle Bells w/ 30 lb. Chains
- 3x3 One-Handed Push-Ups
- 3x5 Pull-Ups wearing 2x30 lb. Chains
- 5x5 Towel-Grip Curl 80 lb. Kettle Bell
Morning or Afternoon
Warm-Up
- 50x Bodyweight Squats
- 50x Big Arm Circles Forward
- 50x Big Arm Circles Backward
- 3x3 One-Leg Bridges w/ 2x 80lb. Kettle Bells on Stomach
- 3x3 Pistol Squats wearing 30 lb. Chains
- 5x5 OHP an 80 lb. Kettle Bell
- 5x5 Towel-Grip Curl 80 lb. Kettle Bell
Morning or Afternoon
Abs
Calves
- 3x21s w/ 2x 80 lb. Kettle Bells
- 21s One-Leg (Bodyweight Only)
Notes
Why are the weights the amounts they are?
I work with the equipment I have at home and structure my program so I can use what I have. I have two 80 lb. kettle bells, two 30 lb. chains, and a headband-style neck weight that is 10 lb. I also have access to a pull-up bar and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu gym that also has heavy bags. That's more than enough for now. When I start to outgrow these things, I'll replace them.
Are the abs and calves the same for both weeks?
Yes. I won't be switching for Type I/Type II for my abs or calves. I've been lazy for the last few months on abs and I'm starting my old ab routine again. That will be my control for this experiment—if I gain on abs as I normally do, that'll mean there isn't any overall overtraining or stalling of overall strength gains.
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