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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Interesting read: http://www.economist.com/node/21526350?f...oneyhearts

What do you think? Not very surprising, but interesting analysis.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

More sluts to bang.
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

It seems to say that Asian women are forgoing marriage because it's a raw deal for women instead of men, whereas, in an American marriage, it's a raw deal for men as opposed to women. In contrast to American marriages where women have their cake and eat it too, it looks like Asian women are expected to be educated and career-driven in addition to the old system's standards for women.

I've written on the topic of marriage before in this post

Whenever people have sex, the woman assumes the greater risk.

Whenever people get married, the man assumes the greater risk.

Before the Sexual Revolution, condoms, and the Pill, women couldn't open their legs willy nilly to any man they fancied without huge destructive consequences. One of these consequences was pregnancy. Everytime women had sex, they assumed the risk of bearing a child. A man wants easy non-commital sex to spread his seed so random casual sex is great; casual random sex means the maximum risk for women and the minimum risk for men.

Marriage, on the other hand, is a different matter. Men, even in the old system, still had risks--the greatest of these is cuckolding. Before the advent of DNA paternity technology, the only way to know if your kid was yours was if your wife was faithful and loyal (and how many of you trust women's word?). Men, by giving up their chance with other women, assumed the maximum risk of raising another man's child while the woman has the minimum risk and retains all the benefits of a wife (a house, food, clothes, stability, etc.). Granted, this was all before the Sexual Revolution.

Whenever feminists screech at the so-called stud-slut double standard, they are forgetting that humans are animals conditioned by thousands of years of evolution. This "double-standard" is not some sort of evil partiarchal idea that men maliciously invented to oppress women. Rather, men would love to have as much casual random sex as possible. Men want sex much more than women want sex. Men have higher sex drives and longer sexuality. So, why would men intentionally restrict sexual access? Because they want to be sure that their kids are theirs.


Just my 2 cents.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-21-2011 03:09 AM)blurb Wrote:  

It seems to say that Asian women are forgoing marriage because it's a raw deal for women instead of men, whereas, in an American marriage, it's a raw deal for men as opposed to women. In contrast to American marriages where women have their cake and eat it too, it looks like Asian women are expected to be educated and career-driven in addition to the old system's standards for women.

I've written on the topic of marriage before in this post

Whenever people have sex, the woman assumes the greater risk.

Whenever people get married, the man assumes the greater risk.

Before the Sexual Revolution, condoms, and the Pill, women couldn't open their legs willy nilly to any man they fancied without huge destructive consequences. One of these consequences was pregnancy. Everytime women had sex, they assumed the risk of bearing a child. A man wants easy non-commital sex to spread his seed so random casual sex is great; casual random sex means the maximum risk for women and the minimum risk for men.

Marriage, on the other hand, is a different matter. Men, even in the old system, still had risks--the greatest of these is cuckolding. Before the advent of DNA paternity technology, the only way to know if your kid was yours was if your wife was faithful and loyal (and how many of you trust women's word?). Men, by giving up their chance with other women, assumed the maximum risk of raising another man's child while the woman has the minimum risk and retains all the benefits of a wife (a house, food, clothes, stability, etc.). Granted, this was all before the Sexual Revolution.

Whenever feminists screech at the so-called stud-slut double standard, they are forgetting that humans are animals conditioned by thousands of years of evolution. This "double-standard" is not some sort of evil partiarchal idea that men maliciously invented to oppress women. Rather, men would love to have as much casual random sex as possible. Men want sex much more than women want sex. Men have higher sex drives and longer sexuality. So, why would men intentionally restrict sexual access? Because they want to be sure that their kids are theirs.


Just my 2 cents.

Very concise, and a very nice analysis.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

True but now that we have DNA paternity tests, the need to restrict sex has gone.

Sexually, people seem not to have evolved to take this fact into consideration however.
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-22-2011 10:08 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

True but now that we have DNA paternity tests, the need to restrict sex has gone.

Sexually, people seem not to have evolved to take this fact into consideration however.

Considering the extreme male prejudice that goes on in the legal system, I really wouldn't count a paternity test as a something to depend on. I'm pretty sure a court can order a man to pay child support if its in the best interest of the child, regardless of it's his or not.

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Quote: (08-22-2011 10:17 AM)Wizard Wrote:  

Considering the extreme male prejudice that goes on in the legal system, I really wouldn't count a paternity test as a something to depend on. I'm pretty sure a court can order a man to pay child support if its in the best interest of the child, regardless of it's his or not.

In most parts of the Anglosphere, this is correct. Men can (and usually are) forced to support children even after fraud has been discovered and it is known that the child is not his.

I have read that in some states, the law provides fathers with a brief window of opportunity-if they can show fraud within 1 year of the child's existence, they may legally be able to avoid child support.

My advice to men:

1. Get a pre-nup in all instances of marriage. If you do get cuckolded and find out later, at least she wont also be leaving with half of your wealth and spousal support.

2. Get DNA tests for all of your children as soon as possible. Do it discreetly if you need to. The key is to establish fraud early in order to avoid paying for it later-how you do this is up to you.

Women will look upon these precautions and cry about how cynical and unromantic they are, shaming you for being paranoid and not trusting them. Ignore them-nobody else is going to look out for you if you do not. Rest assured that these women understand that the law is entirely on their side, and they'll not hesitate to use its full might against you. Protect yourself.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Getting back on topic I thought that article was very interesting (I subscribe to the paper edition).

The gender disparity in Asia, especially China, is really going to fuck up an entire generation of lower class men. I really can't blame the women for being smart in this kind of situation. This is one example where an equal society is good at levelling the playing field, so before crying out about female empowerment and such you have to remember that it goes both ways. When men's importance are placed above women to such a degree as it has been in Asia it has now inevitably given women so much choice that they dominate the partnership game.
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-22-2011 01:21 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Getting back on topic I thought that article was very interesting (I subscribe to the paper edition).

The gender disparity in Asia, especially China, is really going to fuck up an entire generation of lower class men. I really can't blame the women for being smart in this kind of situation. This is one example where an equal society is good at levelling the playing field, so before crying out about female empowerment and such you have to remember that it goes both ways. When men's importance are placed above women to such a degree as it has been in Asia it has now inevitably given women so much choice that they dominate the partnership game.

Can't argue with that. It is ironic how everything really did come full circle. The overvaluation of male babies now leads to increased female value and independence (and decreased value for the men who were born and are going to be mateless in the future).

Karma is a bitch for all humans, regardless of gender.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-22-2011 03:47 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Quote: (08-22-2011 01:21 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Getting back on topic I thought that article was very interesting (I subscribe to the paper edition).

The gender disparity in Asia, especially China, is really going to fuck up an entire generation of lower class men. I really can't blame the women for being smart in this kind of situation. This is one example where an equal society is good at levelling the playing field, so before crying out about female empowerment and such you have to remember that it goes both ways. When men's importance are placed above women to such a degree as it has been in Asia it has now inevitably given women so much choice that they dominate the partnership game.

Can't argue with that. It is ironic how everything really did come full circle. The overvaluation of male babies now leads to increased female value and independence (and decreased value for the men who were born and are going to be mateless in the future).

Karma is a bitch for all humans, regardless of gender.

This isn't something to be happy about. This ratio is going to have a domino effect through all of the world, as the combined female deficit in China/Japan/India/SE Asia combined will be 150+ million, pushing up competition. Add this to a sharply increasing Muslim population (which is often polygamous and strongly protects its women) it seems like there will be alot more dudes on earth in the next 5-15 years.

This won't be isolated to their countries, as many will go abroad in search of mates, possibility to Latin America and Eastern Europe.
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-22-2011 09:55 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

This isn't something to be happy about. This ratio is going to have a domino effect through all of the world, as the combined female deficit in China/Japan/India/SE Asia combined will be 150+ million, pushing up competition. Add this to a sharply increasing Muslim population (which is often polygamous and strongly protects its women) it seems like there will be alot more dudes on earth in the next 5-15 years.

This won't be isolated to their countries, as many will go abroad in search of mates, possibility to Latin America and Eastern Europe.

I never said it was a good thing, just pointing out the facts as they are-every action has an equal and opposite reaction, as Newton said.

You're right, though, this is bad news. Not necessarily because of competition, but mainly because of the sheer number of young, single, relatively poor and entirely unattached dudes with little hope of future attachment. History shows that a large pool of those guys generally doesn't bode well for societal stability.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-21-2011 03:09 AM)blurb Wrote:  

Whenever people get married, the man assumes the greater risk.

Nope. In marriage it is the party which has more wealth potential assumes the greater risk.

It is true that historically those have been males, but things have changed. For example, if you marry a woman who is doing much better financially than you do, your risk is significantly lower than hers.
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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Quote: (08-22-2011 09:55 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

Quote: (08-22-2011 03:47 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Quote: (08-22-2011 01:21 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Getting back on topic I thought that article was very interesting (I subscribe to the paper edition).

The gender disparity in Asia, especially China, is really going to fuck up an entire generation of lower class men. I really can't blame the women for being smart in this kind of situation. This is one example where an equal society is good at levelling the playing field, so before crying out about female empowerment and such you have to remember that it goes both ways. When men's importance are placed above women to such a degree as it has been in Asia it has now inevitably given women so much choice that they dominate the partnership game.

Can't argue with that. It is ironic how everything really did come full circle. The overvaluation of male babies now leads to increased female value and independence (and decreased value for the men who were born and are going to be mateless in the future).

Karma is a bitch for all humans, regardless of gender.

This isn't something to be happy about. This ratio is going to have a domino effect through all of the world, as the combined female deficit in China/Japan/India/SE Asia combined will be 150+ million, pushing up competition. Add this to a sharply increasing Muslim population (which is often polygamous and strongly protects its women) it seems like there will be alot more dudes on earth in the next 5-15 years.

This won't be isolated to their countries, as many will go abroad in search of mates, possibility to Latin America and Eastern Europe.


Those surplus Asians men will most likely be stuck in poverty, and never make it to America or anywhere else in the world. There's probably less to fear than you think.

Plus white women aren't attracted to the average Asian man.

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Women are rejecting marriage in Asia with serious implications

Samseau:

Yes as I said: The gender disparity in Asia, especially China, is really going to fuck up an entire generation of lower class men. The men with means (and game) will still have their fill, it's more the socio-economic results we should be worried about.
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A big class of under employed men who are not getting laid is never a good thing let alone in a country with a population of 1.3 billion people where the group may number in the hundreds of millions.

I'm always amazed at how many of these developments are down to economic forces; there's very little that can be done in the face social changes brought about by economic developments. Very Marxian, but seems to be borne out by developments like this.

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Quote: (08-25-2011 10:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Those surplus Asians men will most likely be stuck in poverty, and never make it to America or anywhere else in the world. There's probably less to fear than you think.

Plus white women aren't attracted to the average Asian man.

I think it's only because of the perceived geeky swag. When Asian men swag up rightly, they have as much chance as scoring as any other minority group.

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Quote: (08-25-2011 02:53 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2011 10:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Those surplus Asians men will most likely be stuck in poverty, and never make it to America or anywhere else in the world. There's probably less to fear than you think.

Plus white women aren't attracted to the average Asian man.

I think it's only because of the perceived geeky swag. When Asian men swag up rightly, they have as much chance as scoring as any other minority group.


I'd say it's because Asian men look too feminine and are too wussy in demeanor is what really kills their chances w/white women.

Overall, they have higher chances than Indian men but lower than blacks. Most white girls look at Indian men with a certain kind of revulsion.

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Indian men from India are the most repulsive on earth - a combination of poor hygiene, poor physique, social awkwardness, beta mannerisms, and misogynistic attitudes.

Indian guys overseas who've shed their repulsive "Indianess" are acceptable. A fluid American/Canadian/English/Aussie accent is one's best asset. The Indian accent is the biggest cockblock in the world. The comedian Russell Peters did a sketch on this.
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How do these overseas indians fare againts asians espiecally when some look arab & latino?
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Quote: (08-27-2011 01:01 PM)Ohiogang Wrote:  

How do these overseas indians fare againts asians espiecally when some look arab & latino?


Indian guys with no accent fare better than Asian guys with no accent, generally.

The key for Indians is to come across as darkly tanned white guys. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, M. Night Shyamalan, and Senthil Ramamurthy from Heroes are good examples. They sound and act like white guys with a dark tan. Morphologically, Indians resemble whites so they don't hit you over with their ethnic-ness (unlike blacks with radically different facial features, Arabs with woolly hair or Asians/mestizo Latinos with the epithantic fold).

Indians can get a pass if they become Westernized and let go of their "Indianness". 2nd Gen Indian guys with no accent seem to do OK.
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Quote: (08-27-2011 01:35 PM)Mace Wrote:  

Indians can get a pass if they become Westernized and let go of their "Indianness". 2nd Gen Indian guys with no accent seem to do OK.

True. I know two Indian guys who are Westernized and they do really well with white women.
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