[jselysianeagle]

What is it that she's able to discuss with this dude that she can't with you?

[Ringo]

(02-04-2017 04:43 PM)XXL Wrote:  

It's getting beyond ridiculous. I can't wrap my head around why anyone would want to break up with his girl just because she wants to meet up with someone. If that's a good reason to move on to you guys then I can guarantee that you will never form any relationship for real, girls make silly decisions all the time, it's on you to guide your girl what's good for her and what's not.

Look OP, she's a girl who seems to be head over heels in love with you. In her mind she really only wants to shoot the shit with him for 2 hours in some coffee shop. It's not like she's planning to cheat. So that's good. However how resistant she is to other guys' charm is a different story. You know what I mean, girls don't pick and choose guys they wanna fuck, they get seduced and carried away in the moment, usually with a help from booze. If she lets herself go [which I doubt a lot] then she'll mess up her chance to be with you.

You did the right thing by telling her what you think. She should respect your request. You can also go together there if she really wants it. Good compromise.

Guys are so afraid of confronting girls these days. Follow your own advice from your ebook.. "What do I want?". Do that.

Are taking into consideration the fact that it's the same girl from this thread?

I would agree with your points if it were an isolated case. But this is actually another red flags amongst various others she has presented.

When is enough enough?

[Rawmeo]

Damn, I almost forgot that old thread - thanks for the reminder.

Based on all that + your other thread, you should dump her ASAP. I'm 80% sure she is already cheating.

[Mufasa]

(02-05-2017 12:26 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

Are taking into consideration the fact that it's the same girl from this thread?

I would agree with your points if it were an isolated case. But this is actually another red flags amongst various others she has presented.

When is enough enough?

VV is this the same girl? After reading that and what she's done with this tinder scare you've got to decide if this is a routine part of your usual bitch management or if this chick is repeatedly crossing your normal relationship boundaries. To me it seems like you were questioning if she was worth the hassle before (if it is the same girl from your earlier post) and now you have this--her potentially trying to torpedo the relationship.

If you have 100+ reps and are asking these questions I'm going to say that somewhere along the way you've gotten lazy and your frame control and inner game are way off.
Are you behaving congruently with the VV that you were that she liked originally when y'all first started fucking?

Im going to guess you've changed and are making compromises that the "decade of debaucherous bachelorhood" VV wouldn't have made and and now she's starting to make you eat shit for it.

I haven't been in a serious relationship since middle school (you read that right) but I do listen to the people who have experience and are seasoned vets in these matters. You are letting this bitch steer your ship. Yes She is a bitch. A girl that respected you wouldn't pull this shit EVEN THOUGH its 10000% your fault this is happening. You're waking up a few times to catch this chica trying to titanic your ass but you're doomed to fail unless you reestablish your frame; thats a hard thing to do in any relationship--if it were easy people would be able to escape the friendzone. At this point she knows you are not who you presented yourself to be, you a dude that will let a girl shake his foundation...

I bet if you look at this subjectively there was probably some smaller instances of you losing this relationship. She didn't just wake up one day and think "I'd like to cheat on you VV"

With that said looks like Clean Slate called it:

(02-01-2017 10:39 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

You have a small crack in the windshield right now. Leave it unattended, the crack is only going to grow longer and longer... and new cracks will branch out from the original one.

Soon you'll have a spiderman signature on your structurally-compromised windshield.

This is exactly how my first marriage ended.

Nip this in the bud, and if she won't honor your wishes, next.

"You have to be captain of your ship at all times. If you don't some chick will steer it, run it aground; then hop on the next dude's boat passing by and leave you there to pick up the pieces"
--Dante Nero

If you're going to save this don't make an ultimatum...make an ultimate decision on her behavior--A clear cut line in the sand, be the captain of your vessel.

Verdict: Dare I say it NEXT

She views you as weak after losing your frame and now your constantly going to have to battle that with test after test after test. IMO its not worth it and even after you set a line in the sand bitches are habitual line steppers. You'll be forced to be a man of your word and eliminate her anyway.

[Ringo]

(02-05-2017 02:10 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

VV is this the same girl?

Same girl, VV addressed that back on Page 2.

[Mufasa]

(02-05-2017 01:38 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

Damn, I almost forgot that old thread - thanks for the reminder.

Based on all that + your other thread, you should dump her ASAP. I'm 80% sure she is already cheating.

(02-05-2017 02:19 PM)Ringo Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 02:10 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

VV is this the same girl?

Same girl, VV addressed that back on Page 2.

He lost this battle a long time ago then; more than likely when he wrote that first post lol.

To the people that write "next" and dip do better. Were you right--yes. Everyone here knows that this was a red flag but you're essentially just giving this man a fish to eat for the day and he's bound to make the same mistake. Teach him to fish so he can do better and not make the same mistakes. Thats what this forum was created for in the first place right?

I had a PM conversation with highly repped/high posting member a while back a while back where he spoke about how everyone just wants to say "next" and not actually game the situation or discuss it. Thats not the game.

Quote:

game/pick up community is very different. from pua perspective game is about figuring out how to work the impossible girls and how to overcome and turn around situations that would make other guys give up. that's game in classic sense. i'm not a pua at all but i learned everything from that community and i was smart enough to use that knowledge to my advantage and still stay normal among the weirdos

yeah i understand you. i'm here to help too and share cool stuff. it cracked me up that this guy pointed out that simply because i asked a question about a girl i don't know what abundance means. how fucking dumb you have to be to draw such conclusions. and that's how those guys think, they have heads full of rules and theories and think very linearly but little to no experience to understand them. like they think "if you say X you must be Y", "if you ask about one girl, you have no other girls in life"

Im not trying to shame anyone but actually show some effort about why he should next and what he's doing wrong ya feel me

[Resolute]

Guys,

This horse is dead. Let's quit beating it.

VV will make another thread in 2 months or so, either with a new problem with the same girl, or finally admitting defeat.

He's decided to hard-hardheadedly ignore all council and advice---let him sleep in the bed he's made. If he wants to stubbornly bang his head against the wall while insisting we "don't know all the details" let him. He'll figure it out on his own soon enough, and hopefully the experience will humble him so he can better take advice in the future.

Now, if he starts talking about wedding plans, then by all means, sound all the alarms and bring the forum into full-fledged panic mode.

[birthday cat]

There are only a couple things I remember from VV's previous thread about this girl because it has been a while since I read that thread.

1) My opinion was that VV's biggest mistakes were getting very serious with the girl and letting her move in with him after "almost a decade of debaucherous bachelorhood." I think these were VV's mistakes so I can't blame the girl.

2) The girl was not a virgin and that was a major problem for a few guys. Banned member JohnGalt continuously humble-bragged about taking a girl's virginity by making condescending remarks about guys who would have a relationship with a girl who isn't a virgin. JohnGalt was banned around this time. Nobody knows exactly why he was banned but he was making condescending remarks in a lot of threads so we assume that has something to do with it.

I will clarify again that my opinion on VV nexting this girl is maybe. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for red pill guys who seem to see the world in black and white (or blue and red, or losing versus winning). There are some issues in the relationship and in my opinion the biggest issues are that it is a long distance relationship and there have already been some ups and downs. I don't remember any major cases of bad behavior from the girl so please tell me what I'm missing.

What were the major flaws of this girl discussed in the first thread?

Do we know how old this girl is?

[XXL]

Ok this is the same girl from the previous VV thread. So that's her in a nutshell...

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She's Thai, and her modality is one of whining and complaining in a little girly kid voice when she doesn't get her way.

It's generally about small stuff like going somewhere, or buying something we don't really need but that she wants, like a dessert.

She'll pout and make a little fuss but I generally don't let this affect my frame at all.

The main reason she pouts or whimpers is generally around me not giving her attention, which she needs a lot of.
...
But I take ownership of educating her on these fronts and she's come around a lot.

I don't want to apologize for her but on the other hand how can she knows these things if I don't communicate them to her?
...
Moreover, she put a huge demand on my time, attention and (most critically) energy.

She stressed me out needlessly over bullshit things and I frankly was sick of reprimanding her and zapping my already frazzled nerves.
...
So a few minutes later my girlfriend flips out saying that I was flirting with the gym chick and I told her yeah I was, so what.
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I'd perfectly compartmentalize work, travel, me-time, wife/family time, side piece time, jiu jitsu time, and creative time.

But young girls who are in love with you have little sense of compartmentalization.
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She thinks marriage is whack and so do I.

Yes it would have repercussions with her family, who are more traditionally minded.

But it speaks all the more to me that she would be willing to displease them immensely and go against such a strong cultural pull by not doing something she doesn't believe in because she decided, via using her own brain, that it's a lot of hogwash

OK we have a young girl in love, who needs lots of attention and acts bit needy, who is jealous of her BF flirting with other girls, who acts like a child when things dont go her way, and doesnt care about marriage.

Where are those big red flags??

I see none. She's just a girl being girl. Nothing uncommon to worry about. Like I said she's not planning to play him. She just wants to meet up with her friend. She told him that even though she could easily hide it and see that guy behind VV back. He could agree or disagreee. He told her whats up.

So what is your problem with her guys?

Do you expect 22 year olds to be nice obeying submissive nonneedy chicks who already know to treat a man? Pfff come on....

So far VV has been dealing with her well. I dont see any fuck ups along the way in this and that thread.

[Neo]

Grunch.

It's not good, and something is up. I can't say for sure that she's cheating, but from reading your description I can definitely say she sees this guy as more than a friend, and most likely a potential long term partner.

Obviously, I haven't observed your situation so I have to make some assumptions, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Here are my reasons for thinking the way I do.

In my experience when a girl has a very high comfort level with a man she begins to describe him in this way. A guy she can talk to about 'everything', a guy who 'gets me', and 'understands me.'

If she's talking this way about a guy she is not currently involved with, it should be a gigantic red flag to the guy she is involved with. The only exception to this is if you know for sure that there is zero attraction between them. I've seen this happen in circumstances with unattractive long term orbiters.

But they met on Tinder right? So obviously there was an initial attraction.

How do I know? Well I've had women cheat on their partners with me. It's something I regret, and have cut out of my life, but I don't want to digress into a moral discussion.

Every girl who ended up cheating with me on her partner said things like that to me. That she was able to talk to me about everything, that I got her, and that she no longer could relate to her current partner. Worse yet, she since she could tell me 'everything' she told me all the bad things about her current boyfriend or husband, basically playing into the guys hands.

I just read your original post and I assume she's a Thai girl. What's her background? Is she a relatively 'good' girl with a low amount of sexual partners? Is she looking for a long term relationship?

The reason I ask is that you mentioned that you told her that his intention is to bang her and that you've had women cheat on their boyfriends with you.

If that's the case she may not see a long term future with you, especially if she's a more traditional girl. And while she's currently dating you, she may be longing for somebody who'll be loyal to her.

Some girls are like that, they may be in an LTR with a guy but deep down they know he's not a safe choice, and she wants a guy who's safe. Sure she'll get bored of the safe guy after a while, but that's the point the girl may be at in her life.

Anyway that's my take.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'll try to add something positive in terms of advice.

When I was a younger man floating through life I had the idea that casual sex relationships and ONS were the side of relationships where you had to have the strongest game and frame (though I didn't understand it in those terms specifically). I also believed that an LTR was kind of like setting the auto-pilot on your sex life. You got laid routinely without the drama, but the sacrifice was that it was with the same chick all the time. Still, the point was that she was supposed to be chill because drama was not necessary at that point. It was a contract, right?

I was way off.

LTRs don't mean you can drop game AND frame. You have to trade one for the other. Obviously you're already routinely banging them at that point so you can drop the game, but because you're going to be dealing with their generic female shit-tests over a long term you need to double down on frame.

I can't stress this enough. Guys that think "oh I'll just bang this one chick because it's easier that way" often get hit by a freight train of emotional issues because they don't do the upkeep.

ONS and casual fucking is like renting. You have to have hustle to find new places, put up rent/bond money, move stuff around, etc, but if the place has problems like bad pipes or a leaky roof then it's not your problem. It's the landlord's problem. You just bounce to somewhere else with less hassles.

LTRs are like buying the house. You don't need to hustle anymore. Don't need to come up with rent/bond money. You don't need to look for new places every 6 months or get references or any of that fancy footwork. But if you live in that house the same way you did when you were renting then you're headed for trouble. If the roof starts leaking and you ignore it then you'll have trouble down the line. If the pipes are fucked and you don't fix them then you're going to have drama in the weeks ahead.

It's not less work. It's a different kind of work.

The light at the end of the tunnel is that once you've dealt with the problems quickly and professionally they pop up less and less frequently. You start to see the payoff in a woman who's behaviour is disciplined and who fills her function in your life without drama and nonsense.

The way to achieve this in my experience is that you have to fix the problems as quickly and dispassionately as possible. Women love emotion and sometimes (once a month at least) they love to fight. You need to fix them on that without giving them emotional validation for acting like bitches.

Case in point here. The girl asks if it's ok to see this guy. You need to sense how that makes you feel instantly and make a call instantly. You then need to to instantly and dispassionately make her aware of your decision.

"No. That's not happening. You can talk to him online, and you can do it in a manner that I have oversight of. I'm not having my girl manipulated by some sort of player running a long-game."

Keep in mind that you can always relent on that decision in the manner of a merciful king at a later date, but your immediate response has to be to control the relationship toward a destiny that pleases you.

Hell, she asked you, right? That creates a binary situation in her simple mind.

"Yes, you can see him" = "Either he doesn't care about me seeing other men (nuance is irrelevant here) or he cares and he's too weak to enforce his desires on me".

"No, you can't see him" = "He has taken control of my destiny. I want to be owned and he is providing for that".

In an LTR frame is everything. When it comes to women's rights in a relationship, believe me, the ones that are worth keeping don't want any rights, they want to be owned.


quickedit: Of course, if you know this relationship is going to end at some point then you might as well just treat it like casual sex until the cons outweigh the pros, then dump her. But if she's getting/got her hooks into you then you need to lock her behaviour down ASAP.

[Mufasa]

(02-05-2017 07:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Where are those big red flags??

I see none. She's just a girl being girl. Nothing uncommon to worry about. Like I said she's not planning to play him. She just wants to meet up with her friend. She told him that even though she could easily hide it and see that guy behind VV back. He could agree or disagreee. He told her whats up.

IF his frame has slipped as he's been dating her, she has repeatedly crossed the line without consequences, and then she told him about a tinder guy that just "gets her" would you still feel the same way about this?

"if you feel a tingle in your nuts its because a bitch is about to kick you in the balls"

This was a shit test and a big one imo. But the fact that she had to resort to this type of test just doesnt seem right. Like a glitch in the matrix. Plus she's on Tinder which is good game/frame from VV?

She has said she loves him and doesnt want to lose him but she's on Tinder?!
I just don't follow your line of thought at all XXL. If a girl told me that and my frame was fucking on Collossus I would immediately be sideways.

Quote:

So what is your problem with her guys?

Do you expect 22 year olds to be nice obeying submissive nonneedy chicks who already know to treat a man? Pfff come on....

So far VV has been dealing with her well. I dont see any fuck ups along the way in this and that thread.

1) She's in love with him and she's on Tinder
2) She's wants to meet with a guy off Tinder
3) This request didn't just come out of the blue. There has to be more inciting incidences
4) Are you trolling us?

Quote:

Like I said she's not planning to play him. She just wants to meet up with her friend.

Explain this to me. For this to make sense I must be missing an eelement in my frame control...I can't wrap my head around how this an A+ on bitch management to you and I want to understand.

[dallasguy]

GF is on a dating app and wants to meet guys says it all. Get ready to be cucked. Unbelievable that guys are defending her. LOL

[VincentVinturi]

^^^
She met the guy on Tinder when she was single.

That's where I met her too.

She's long since deleted it.

[torridon747]

*snip* forgot to read Vs last post in thread.

[Veloce]

I'm gonna add my 2 cents here even though the horse is dead.

I've cheated a lot, been cheated on, and been with a handful of married/committed women.

I have a pretty open minded approach when it comes to this stuff, but maybe that's because I'll never be attached to a girl the same way I was when I was 18. I realize one day we're all dead, the universe is an imagination of itself and it was all a dream. A girl cheating on you is far from the worst thing that can happen.

Several months ago I was out with some friends including this couple...apparently the guy told his gf to stay away from me because he felt that I was hitting on her. I wasn't, I was just maintaining that friendly and confident vibe. Anyway months later I was balls deep in her and their relationship is more or less done, though I have a feeling they're getting back together or something.

In the past week I've been hitting on one of our hostesses that has a boyfriend. I've been saying some shit to her that I wouldn't be cool with if some guy said that to my girl, and she hasn't rebuked any of it. She gives me a lot of IOIs and is very flirty. I've been pushing to see how far she'll go up to and including the bang, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

My feeling about cheating at this point in my life is that cheating is not limited to physical contact. Cheating is when girls give out their number, or grind on some dude on a dance floor, or blatantly flirt, or welcome any efforts of seduction. We all know that sex is just the end result of the seduction process, so why is it only the final act of that process that is considered cheating? In my mind, the cheating began well before that.

I don't have much advice to prevent cheating. My only knowledge of preventing cheating is that the girl you're with MUST feel that she would be out on her ass, out in the cold, if she so much as glanced at another guy. That takes a lot of value on your part, and a LOT of maintenance. The game involved in successful relationships eclipses the game required for casual sex. Women having jobs, their own sources of income, being hit up multiple times a day, having an endless supply of attention, dinner dates, cash gifts...there's precious little that would make a girl feel "out in the cold" or "on her ass" these days. We are all replaceable.

She might regret her decision to cheat, and she might pine for you, but the constant supply of attention and thirst from other guys overrides that.

VV in your case, if the sex was bomb and I liked the girl, I'd probably continue to see her but I would give up any hopes or aspirations of having a serious relationship with her, and I would probably drop her in giving priority to other girls or hunting for a new girl.

[XXL]

(02-06-2017 01:06 AM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 07:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Where are those big red flags??

I see none. She's just a girl being girl. Nothing uncommon to worry about. Like I said she's not planning to play him. She just wants to meet up with her friend. She told him that even though she could easily hide it and see that guy behind VV back. He could agree or disagreee. He told her whats up.

IF his frame has slipped as he's been dating her, she has repeatedly crossed the line without consequences, and then she told him about a tinder guy that just "gets her" would you still feel the same way about this?

"What if Hitler won the war" type of speculation.

(02-06-2017 01:06 AM)Mufasa Wrote:  

This was a shit test and a big one imo. But the fact that she had to resort to this type of test just doesnt seem right. Like a glitch in the matrix. Plus she's on Tinder which is good game/frame from VV?

She has said she loves him and doesnt want to lose him but she's on Tinder?!

It's an individual thing how a man deals with that. Some men like to make their girls get off all social media/apps. Some take "give her enough rope so that she can hang herself" approach. It's not my business. Whether she's on tinder or not, IT'S ALWAYS GIRLS FAULT. She either lets other man fuck her or she doesn't. If she's that kind of person she will fuck other guys behind his back either way. Truth is, no matter what happens VV doesn't lose anything. Either he'll be with a loyal girl or he'll get rid of a hoe. What's the downside really?

From what I know she met both or them on Tinder. She chose VV and got off Tinder for him. That dude is some friendzoned soulmate. Who cares.

(02-06-2017 01:06 AM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(02-05-2017 07:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Like I said she's not planning to play him. She just wants to meet up with her friend.

Explain this to me. For this to make sense I must be missing an eelement in my frame control...I can't wrap my head around how this an A+ on bitch management to you and I want to understand.

Seems like you're missing one key thing. The only way to win is not to play aka NOT CARE.

She wanna meet up with a friend? Fine let her. Go out with your boys. Pick her up later and bang all night. If you notice she's changed since then it means something happened behind your back and it's her fault. You deal with that. If she fucked up, you leave her. But she has to know that you can leave her ass anytime just out of disappointment.

It just works. When I stopped caring my GF started to care a lot, couldn't stop texting me, wanted to spend more time, started throwing her tits at my face, giving blowjobs to wake me up in the morning, etc. It's kind of weird to be honest and seems very wrong but, whether we like it or not, it brings us back to reality of life. And that reality is.. it's only when you respect yourself the most, others start to respect you. Not the other way around.

Especially women. They just cannot do shit when you place yourself above them and look down at them. They cannot function when you don't care. That sassy chick of yours who thinks she's all that, she will not do shit when she sees you're not giving a fuck. And I don't being a douche actively showing your girl she's nothing to you. That's tryhard and lame. I mean being honest with her and showing her you can HAPPILY move on if she disappoints you. No drama, no arguments, none of that. Just a big kiss on a forehead followed by "thank you sweety that you showed me who you really are, now I know I can give my time to someone better.." and you're gone.

If you can convey that you're capable of that at any point then you're the boss and SHE will stay on her toes around you.

[Ringo]

XXL,

In VV's case, there are red flags on both the girl and the relationship.

To sum it up:

- Relationship: VV is intoxicated with the girl, he says he doesn't care but his actions show otherwise; although all relationships are to some extent difficult, this one is self-admitedly "hard"; they live far away; they already broke up before and got back together; VV is rationalizing her behavior and yet we could say he's a bit paranoid and distrustful towards her.

- Girl: she was on Tinder (my opinion - not ideal for LTRs); she's kept in touch with guys she met there despite being in a relationship.

(02-06-2017 05:42 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Seems like you're missing one key thing. The only way to win is not to play aka NOT CARE.

She wanna meet up with a friend? Fine let her. Go out with your boys. Pick her up later and bang all night. If you notice she's changed since then it means something happened behind your back and it's her fault. You deal with that. If she fucked up, you leave her. But she has to know that you can leave her ass anytime just out of disappointment.

I really like the last few paragraphs of your post but what you are missing out is - your suggestion requires emotional dettachment. What if VV cares about this girl? What if cashing out emotionally is not an option?

They have broken up before, and despite all red flags mentioned above and his reassurance that he can drop her without looking back, the facts disagree.

If he created this thread, the confidence in the relationship and in her are already chinked, and once that goes it's not IF - it's WHEN they'll be done.

If he sees the red flags like I (well, a bunch of us) see it, wouldn't it be better to cut off ties than give it any more time?

Staying together, when you like someone, means creating more intimacy, shared experiences, memories - all of which make it harder to let go when the moment comes.

[Rawmeo]

VV, we're beating a dead horse here. Shoot me a PM if you want to go roll around and go to some greener pastures, it'll be my pleasure.

Forget about this girl.
- She complains when she doesn't get what she wants
- She doesn't believe in marriage
- She's not even a virgin
- She wants to meet Tinder guys
- She takes your energy

You've acquired a high reputation and lots of respect from RVF - but lately, you've let yourself fall in her frame and you started to be in the "comfortable" zone where you seem reclutant to exit from and go see your better options. You're still young, your options are plenty. Put your balls on, and dump her. This is Thailand, there are way better options out there. Life's too short to waste your time on that.

Hope to see you in bkk soon.

[Mufasa]

I totally follow your line of thought now. I would agree if this was a plate or a FWB situation but in a LTR I disagree. Not trying to persuade you just explaining how I see your argument.

(02-06-2017 05:42 PM)XXL Wrote:  

IT'S ALWAYS GIRLS FAULT. She either lets other man fuck her or she doesn't. If she's that kind of person she will fuck other guys behind his back either way.

I fundementally disagree with this especially in an LTR. A woman will do whatever her man allows her to do. "Act like a pussy you're gunna get fucked." In a literal sense of course its her fault but in a game sense its the dudes fault everytime. If Im with a girl and she decides to leave me for another dude is it my fault she left me or her fault she left me? But is she a dumb ass?....Yes

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Truth is, no matter what happens VV doesn't lose anything. Either he'll be with a loyal girl or he'll get rid of a hoe. What's the downside really?

It does matter thats why we're here talking about it and he has two threads about managing this chick. In the abundance mentality of course thats the correct response to not care because theres another girl around the corner. In this situation he likes her and wants to manage this situation correctly to yield the best possible result.

(02-05-2017 07:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Seems like you're missing one key thing. The only way to win is not to play aka NOT CARE.

I agree and disagree. From a literal game maneuver--yes 100% agree. I disagree because of the context. This girl I'm sure has guy "friends" but this is the one she's asking for permission to see. I highly doubt she asks for permission to hang out with every single guy that seems friendzone.

For me personally I wouldn't care what she does if she wasn't my LTR. But the fact that she came to me to make the decision for her has a subtext to it that can't be ignored. She subconcously knows something is afoot otherwise she wouldn't bring it up and she would hang out with her friend zoned guys like she normally does.

With all that said I completely get where you're coming from. Your not give a fuckness on this one...



Her asking for permission is my point where I go from not giving a fuck to making a decision to keep her from putting herself in a sticky situation. Especially if she normally doesn't ask....



Either way VV got some great advice....I think he's gunna fuck it up tho lol sorry VV :/

[iop890]

(02-02-2017 08:45 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

HER:

Vincent you know that I love you and I will never do anything to lose you.
So okay I wont meet Johnny anymore.
But this a little bit disappoint me.
I told you about this because I think you will understand me.
Do you think I'm going to meet him alone in his room?
No I just want to meet him in a restaurant ant talk.
And for me Tinder is not sooo bad.
It made me know 3 nice guys.
1 is friend who always warm and kind and always take care of me even he is far away and I almost not answer him.
And even I met him few times I never let him hold my hand or kiss me and last 2time he met me with my friends and we all are good friend now.
2 is friend who get so much a long with me and the last one is you who I really love and want to be with until I dieeee.
And last thing I dont have sex with any guy I meet.

I'm still working my way through the thread but God Damn this is the Thai-est shit I've ever read. Really brings me back.

EDIT: Didn't notice the thread's already been dead for a while. Oh well.