[Samseau]

(11-26-2017 03:35 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 10:23 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Samseau I don't agree with your point of view that whites need the purest, most accurate form of traditional Christianity to survive.

Japan is hopped up on anime, pedophilia, debt, and atheism yet they have the common sense to understand that hostile foreigners need to be kept the fuck out of their living space. What's so hard for white Christians to understand the same concept? Yes their churches are cucked but compared to atheist japan at least they're trying to live moral lives, but apparently the concept is still too hard to understand.

Is God punishing whites for our weak Christianity? If that's the case why are china / japan not punished in this way? You're implying we're held to a higher standard. Our margin for error in worship methods has much higher consequences than most every other group apparently.

If someone needs hours of scripture study and reflection to understand they'd rather live in Germany than Somalia then maybe humans are dumber than I imagined.

Like man after reading the dead sea scrolls and memorizing the gospels I now comprehend that I don't want my people to be genocided off the planet.

In the 20th century:

- China lost nearly ever war they participated in; lost millions of civilians to Japanese occupation; lost tens of millions of civilians to their own government; experienced numerous foreign policy disasters; saw the majority of its population living in moderate to extreme poverty

- The US "won" some of the biggest wars in history and achieved global hegemony; created unprecedented wealth and prosperity; introduced a standard of living that surpassed anything in human history (electricity, cars/planes, modern medicine, etc.); became the predominant global culture

Which one of these countries was being "punished by God"?

While Japan didn't have quite as brutal a century as the Chinese, they lost WW2, got nuked, had their military neutered, and were totally at the mercy of the Allies, to be kept afloat by US influence.

"China and Japan" have become nothing more than a debate tactic that people use as an example of any positive non-Western traits they can think of, regardless of whether China or Japan actually possess those traits.

Exactly. China and Japan wouldn't be shit without the White Christian man. Time to be real.

Moreover, Japan's anemic birthrates are a serious problem for them going forward. They are ripe for a Chinese invasion once America is no longer able to project power in the East.

China is actually embracing Christianity in record numbers, they will multiply by several thousand as a result and this will carry them forward for a hundred years easily. But had Nixon never started selling out America to China, China would just be a dirt-poor backwater no one ever looks at.

America not only shipped its industry to China, but also it's religion, and now China will become something special. Christianity actually almost took root there once before, but was eradicated in a massive civil war in the 19th century due some false prophet proclaiming himself to be the son of Jesus or something like that.

China before and after Christianity will be like comparing prehistoric times to modern times. The rise of Christian China over the next two-hundred years will prove the thesis that it is not the "White race" which was special, but the blessings of God contained within the teachings of Christ that carry true power.

[El Chinito loco]

Dr. Jordan Peterson has a lot of lectures breaking down the cultural connection between how and why specific religious practices and myths are adopted in certain cultures and why in others it evolves into something different. With religion there's a general chicken or the egg argument when it comes to the formation of its values in relation to ancient cultural identity. The fact is a culture's practices and mores are codified in these religions.

I disagree with the assessment that Japan is an atheistic country. Its deep moral foundation and the root of its culture is based on shinto Buddhism. This is why Japanese leaders still visit shrines. It's not to just piss off Chinese people there's a real belief there in ancestral honor which is deeply tied to a religious belief system. There's a lot of cultural traditions and subtle social interactions which is molded by this. China is also not atheistic. Communism did not magically erase its Confucian origins or its practices. Confucian is not exactly a religion but it is a spiritual ideology deeply intertwined with Buddhism in China over the ages.

In fact Communism failed miserably in replacing state authoritarian obedience as the new "religion" to follow.

Like it or not Christianity forms the foundation and backbone of western civilization. Without it I feel that western civilization is set adrift. This is why the culture has become so degenerate. Western societies have moved farther and farther away from their foundation.

The Jewish media and various other academic indoctrination has subverted this foundation with the new gods of media, "progressive" shitlib ideology, community superseded by the cult of individuality, and other forms of nihilistic social destructive practices.

[Leonard D Neubache]

There's more evidence than anything else to suggest that the major religions are driven by genetic inclinations rather than any scriptural superiority.

If Christianity were so inherently superior to Judaism and Islam, for example, then it obviously would have subsumed those religions in the MiddleEast long before the West ever came to power. As it stands, Arabs and Africans have retained religions which speak to who they are as a whole.

Cliches on racial behaviour exist for a reason, and although they're not a reasonable justification to treat individuals poorly they are certainly a smart indicator on how to bet on the direction a peoples will take when under their own steam. People highly familiar with Chinese behavioural patterns (absent the rose tinted glasses) could weigh in on the future prospects of Christianity among the Chinese.

[El Chinito loco]

(11-28-2017 12:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

People highly familiar with Chinese behavioural patterns (absent the rose tinted glasses) could weigh in on the future prospects of Christianity among the Chinese.

Christian conversion has been surging in S. Korea, Vietnam, and even in China. I'd say the Protestant version is most compatible with northeast asia and that's due to how many similarities it shares with confucianism. The problem here is that a lot of conversion is Catholic which in the modern era is the most spiritually and morally bereft denomination. Catholicism is a cult which answers to the Vatican who in turn bends over to the will of globalist elites.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm not well travelled but I'd have put money on Koreans and Japanese taking to Christianity long before the Chinese, although in fairness "Chinese" is a pretty broad brush. I wonder how it looks per capita.

In many ways the spread of Christianity may be hampered by the success and then stall of Western colonisation. The typical depiction of Jesus is as a white man on a cross, and for many non-whites having a saviour of another race is going to be understandably unpalatable. I certainly would have a few mental hurdles to cross if someone wanted to preach to me of an Indian saviour for example.

[Kona]

(11-28-2017 02:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not well travelled but I'd have put money on Koreans and Japanese taking to Christianity long before the Chinese, although in fairness "Chinese" is a pretty broad brush. I wonder how it looks per capita.

Koreans are already big into the Christianity. They get a little crazy with it. Kind of like the Iglesias ne christo Filipinos.

In Hawaii Koreans got the Hongwangi Baptist Church which is a real sight to see. They hold signs out on the street and do whacky chants. I think doing that means you are atoning for your sins. There's one I see where they just use the same signs. One says "See Jesus so cancer you don't get, or other diseases" then on the back (which I think is funnier) it says Ecclesiastes and the Bible number. Like I'm gonna be able to write that down when I'm driving by. It could be the meaning of life, but but by the second c im a half mile away.

Japanese will never take to Christianity. They think the Koreans and Filipinos are whackadoo. There's hardly any in Japan and the churches are mostly foreigners. I was in the Navy with a real Bible guy and I would go with him to churches, and they were usually close to empty.

Aloha!

[El Chinito loco]

(11-28-2017 03:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

Koreans are already big into the Christianity. They get a little crazy with it. Kind of like the Iglesias ne christo Filipinos.

Iglesias ne christo is what you would call an offshoot of catholicism which rejects the iconography and tenets of mainstream catholicism. I'm not sure what you would call that..because it's not a reformation but a total rejection of catholic rituals and doctrine. It rejects the status tiered priesthood and the elite associations of the vatican.

Its adherents in the Philippines mostly are rural country folk who have no ties to the wealthy landed elite. The moral code attached to it is also much stricter and conversion is harder for good reasons. The founder believed in proving virtue. It has its issues and fanatics but it's much more ideologically "pure" form of Christianity. It's very conservative and traditional according to original biblical doctrine.

The ministers can also marry which is quite different from the kiddie diddling syndicates in the Catholic church.


This makes it more wholesome by default but they do have some rather odd practices too. The story of the founder is interesting too because he's more or less a disillusioned catholic who realized the church was run by sinners and elitists who wanted to fuck over regular people.

Iglesias ne christo would probably be better for the Philippines overall.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I take it then that the Iglesias ne christo folk don't have any scriptural speedbumps when it comes to defending their turf?

For me that's the main dealbreaker for most every western denomination.

[Wutang]

Here in the US, evangelical Christianity is fairly big among the Taiwanese population, not so much with mainlanders though. South Koreans are also pretty involved as well. I've also noticed a big rise in evangelicalism in Taiwan in the past 15 years or so. Around the 2000s is when I started seeing a lot more churches popping up and you also started see Christian programming on TV, joining the Buddhist televangelists (yes those are a thing in Taiwan) that were already there. From the stats I've seen, the Christian population is still pretty low (around 10%) but they seem to have a disproportionate amount of publicity and influence compared to their raw numbers.

[911]

(11-28-2017 03:31 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 02:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not well travelled but I'd have put money on Koreans and Japanese taking to Christianity long before the Chinese, although in fairness "Chinese" is a pretty broad brush. I wonder how it looks per capita.

Koreans are already big into the Christianity. They get a little crazy with it. Kind of like the Iglesias ne christo Filipinos.

In Hawaii Koreans got the Hongwangi Baptist Church which is a real sight to see. They hold signs out on the street and do whacky chants. I think doing that means you are atoning for your sins. There's one I see where they just use the same signs. One says "See Jesus so cancer you don't get, or other diseases" then on the back (which I think is funnier) it says Ecclesiastes and the Bible number. Like I'm gonna be able to write that down when I'm driving by. It could be the meaning of life, but but by the second c im a half mile away.

Japanese will never take to Christianity. They think the Koreans and Filipinos are whackadoo. There's hardly any in Japan and the churches are mostly foreigners. I was in the Navy with a real Bible guy and I would go with him to churches, and they were usually close to empty.

Aloha!

There were large native Christian populations in Hiroshima and especially Nagasaki, where St Francis Xavier landed in the 16th century. The largest church in Asia was in Nagasaki. Hiroshima also had a large church, which was used as the target by the crew of the Enola Gay. The reason it wasn't completely flattened is that it was right below the explosion, sort of like how the eye of the hurricane is a quieter zone. The choice of these two cities as targets for nuclear annihilation was probably not a random one, Morgenthau might have been involved.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/09/ch...aki-crime/

https://richmondunlimited.wordpress.com/...mic-bombs/

[911]

(11-28-2017 12:44 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 12:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

People highly familiar with Chinese behavioural patterns (absent the rose tinted glasses) could weigh in on the future prospects of Christianity among the Chinese.

Christian conversion has been surging in S. Korea, Vietnam, and even in China. I'd say the Protestant version is most compatible with northeast asia and that's due to how many similarities it shares with confucianism. The problem here is that a lot of conversion is Catholic which in the modern era is the most spiritually and morally bereft denomination. Catholicism is a cult which answers to the Vatican who in turn bends over to the will of globalist elites.

Evangelical Protestantism has been pushed by the US in many parts of East Asia and Latin America, esp in Korea.

Catholicism is vulnerable due to its hierarchical structure, but its original (pre-Vatican II) teachings based on the New Testament are true, which isn't the case for many Protestant denominations like those based on the Scofield bible and Dispensationalism.

[Matt Forney]

Bumping this since this news didn't seem appropriate for the Charlottesville thread (and since whenever I make fun of Spencer, it always reliably draws out the anonymous sockpuppet trolls, like playing Whack-a-Mole).

Identity Evropa has severed all ties with Richard Spencer and the alt-right. Eli Mosley was forced out as CEO earlier in the week after the membership apparently revolted against Spencer's influence in the organization.

https://youtu.be/Z-pDq1dGGRU

NPI's Head of Poz Parties Evan McLaren has been airing dirty laundry all week, with Spencer RTing it:

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But don't worry: Spencer, McLaren, and Mosley aren't bitter about being kicked out of Identity Evropa. They're forming their own youth activist group, with blackjack and (twink) hookers. Behold Operation Homeland:

https://altright.com/2017/12/02/introduc...-homeland/

Per Spencer's usual level of professionalism, Operation Homeland has no website, no logo, no statement of principles, no mission, and no sign-up form.

It's quite telling that even Identity Evropa, an organization that was fused with NPI and Spencer at the hip for most of its existence (IE provided security for most of Spencer's events), wants nothing to do with him anymore.

[Raylan Givens]

(11-28-2017 04:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I take it then that the Iglesias ne christo folk don't have any scriptural speedbumps when it comes to defending their turf?

For me that's the main dealbreaker for most every western denomination.

This is kind of where I'm at as well. I'm a lapsed Catholic who has tried nearly every variant of Christianity and found them wanting. The closest I thought I had come to genuine Christianity was Orthodoxy. Yet in Orthodoxy nationalism via Phyletism is a sin. This is going to leave the door open to major pozzing down the road as Orthodoxy becomes trendy and gains converts via wayward Prots and Catholics and all manner of people. Orthodoxy's relatively insular nature has kept it safeguarded from modernity but that is changing.

If an organization is not explicitly right wing in it's orientation it will drift leftward. That is seemingly a law.

[Samseau]

(12-03-2017 09:38 AM)Raylan Givens Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 04:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I take it then that the Iglesias ne christo folk don't have any scriptural speedbumps when it comes to defending their turf?

For me that's the main dealbreaker for most every western denomination.

This is kind of where I'm at as well. I'm a lapsed Catholic who has tried nearly every variant of Christianity and found them wanting. The closest I thought I had come to genuine Christianity was Orthodoxy. Yet in Orthodoxy nationalism via Phyletism is a sin. This is going to leave the door open to major pozzing down the road as Orthodoxy becomes trendy and gains converts via wayward Prots and Catholics and all manner of people. Orthodoxy's relatively insular nature has kept it safeguarded from modernity but that is changing.

If an organization is not explicitly right wing in it's orientation it will drift leftward. That is seemingly a law.

Phyletism just means the Church isn't owned by a single nation or race, says nothing about having a Church for a race or nation.

[Kona]

(12-03-2017 09:38 AM)Raylan Givens Wrote:  

Prots

People Religious Over There???

Aloha!