[Kinko]

Yes there are other Montreal topics out there but lets start a fresh one. So whats the deal with moving to Montreal as someone with USA citizenship or at least spending time living there?

I don't want to hear the typical "Oh they dont want you there" or "You can not get a job without knowing French"... Please, mercy!

No I do not know French. "But I can learn French".. Cripes.. Obviously like every other Tom Dick and Harry from the USA who doesnt know French yet but wants to live in a French speaking country anyways... Tell me the positive parts.

I have some money saved up. Enough for a year. Arent there social services for teaching people the language? Re there government services for finding jobs?

Question immigration will ask: Do I have some special skill to offer that nobody in Montreal can not do? Answer: no, but Im totally awesome. Like some new yorker I suppose. That sh.t is not enough?

Do you have a college degree: no, not yet, but Id like to take classes in Montreal, including French classes for sure

What if I was there and knocked up some Frenchie tart? Will that get me citizenship easier?

How about getting a job at a restaurant? Are those tough to get in Montreal? I heard the job market is tight.

I heard the taxes are nuts and the groceries are expensive but the rents are lower then usual. Would a server or waiter job be enough to float myself financially?

Who would want an American speaking shoddy French serving them food in Montreal? They want Frenchies only? Whats the real deal here. Positive aspects. Down low real helpful information for how an American can hack Montreal...

Whats the real estate scene like in Montreal? Whats it like for investors and for sales agents?

Somebody please give me the low down. Id like positive info but do not sugar coat this. Id like to move there. Thanks

[Beijong]

Don't tell them you're a member of this forum or you might get beer thrown on you

Other than that, Quebecer's tend to love their language and province and are very nationalistic. It's not mandatory to serve clients in English there, but it is mandatory to server clients in French, so your prospects of working with the public are low.

It's a fun place to visit, but living there? Why?

[Jack Of All Trades]

Montreal's a great place if you've got a decent job. You'd need a work visa to stay long term and if you constantly jump back and forth between the border you might get flagged.

[RBerkley]

(01-13-2017 03:34 PM)Beijong Wrote:  

Don't tell them you're a member of this forum or you might get beer thrown on you

Other than that, Quebecer's tend to love their language and province and are very nationalistic. It's not mandatory to serve clients in English there, but it is mandatory to server clients in French, so your prospects of working with the public are low.

It's a fun place to visit, but living there? Why?

To make it clear that it is not usually Francophone chicks in Montreal who engage in man-hating activity like physical assault & lynch mobbing men. Beer-throwing feminazis; one was originally from Edmonton, Alberta & the other one (Jessica Levievre) is the daughter of a millionaire Quebec entrepreneur who attends Concordia University, both aspects of which are mostly "Anglophone elitism" (because those feminazi bitches who attend Mc Gill & Concordia University most likely got their trust fund saved from their "patriarchal" members of their families).

Oh wait, the one who was protesting at Queen's Park in Ontario used to attend Concordia University & her father owns Home Hardware I think, sheer Anglo elitism.

Other than that, Francophone chicks in MTL aren't really walking with that venomous "I hate all men" mentality that you can experience in other Anglophone cities in Canada.

Regarding living in Montreal, well if it weren't for the extreme 4 or 5 months of winter that is experienced in 90%+ of Canada, it would definitely be a Miami version of Canada without the expensive lifestyle required.

I enjoy Montreal in the spring & summer, but I don't think it is that easy for even a French-speaker to secure a good job in Quebec under this job market because most of Montreal stores are closing down, & Quebec's famous Bombardier company is under economic issues that jobs are downsizing in the company.

On the other hand, it is easy to go on welfare in Quebec & don't ask me how though. I know of men who live on government assistance in Quebec & the rates pay for an entire bachelor pad, plus they even can afford monthly data plans. One time, a guy from Ontario moved to Montreal, he complained he couldn't find any work, yet he can afford clubbing every night.

Quebec is a very fiscally socialist province, so that's why there is known to be a "student income class" in Quebec because tuition is low too for local Quebecers, but yea, that Roosh hysteria in 2015 changed a few parts of Montreal from a sexually liberal place into an Anglo-elitist piece of garbage, but it still ain't bad like Montreal's competitor in Ontario with their Chanty Binxes screaming mad at Jamaican street preachers and(Smugglypuffs accosting Lauren Southern).

I lived comfortably in suburban Montreal for the cost of roughly 700$ Canadian a month. I didn't even need to purchase expensive things to "impress" any chick. They just felt flattered at me hitting on them, which was a surprise given I fled Toronto because of a false accusation while attending a Toronto university just for introducing myself to a chick.

For an American guy, I can say that the State of Louisiana is like the Quebec of the USA in terms of history & French culture, but Montreal is considered more attractive because of the Quebecois chicks mixed with their Mainland France & Metis tribe heritage.

On the contrary, if you can handle the -20C windchill in the winter in Montreal, then you can adapt perfectly.

The Spring, Summer & early Autumn season in Montreal are thriving with talent if you wanna go outside, but to be honest, Francophone chicks in Montreal aren't that cold as the winter compared to the rest of Canada.

Plus, in winter in Montreal, there are still things to do in the city, even in Old Montreal. I'm not even joking. Montreal looks like it was one culturally advanced city at one time, until it was forced to "downside" probably because of the Language Wars in the 1970s.

Despite what Montreal been through, it is still considered the party destination in Canada, no excuses or exceptions to that statement.

The best tip I can give to OP is that if he can afford it, he can rent a bachelor pad from April to July & test the waters, if Canada immigration allows that extended stay.

not sure if it is the same six month rule like the USA immigration law for Canadian citizens wishing to visit the USA for extended. Now it is the right time to spend US$ in Canada given the current USD/CAD exchange rate about 1,30$ Canadian to 1$ Greenback bill.

[ed pluribus unum]

(01-13-2017 05:33 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

The best tip I can give to OP is that if he can afford it, he can rent a bachelor pad from April to July & test the waters, if Canada immigration allows that extended stay.

not sure if it is the same six month rule like the USA immigration law for Canadian citizens wishing to visit the USA for extended. Now it is the right time to spend US$ in Canada given the current USD/CAD exchange rate about 1,30$ Canadian to 1$ Greenback bill.

Speaking from experience, if you tell them at the border/airport/wherever that you are planning on coming to live here, they can and will refuse you entry to the country. Canadian immigration law says that a person may only enter the country to live (i.e. set up permanent residence) if they possess the appropriate visa (a Permanent Resident visa).

Even if you tell them you are just coming to check out job opportunities or places to live or are just 'testing the waters' they will come to the same conclusion, i.e. that your intention is to move to and live permanently in Canada and do not have the required visa.

If you declare you are coming as a visitor they can and will refuse you entry if they determine that you do not have the means ($$$) to support yourself for the time you say that you will be staying (accomodations, food, visits, etc). They can by check your story (where you'll stay, who you'll visit etc.).

You can also be refused for having a criminal record, including a DUI and they can and will check.

I can't offer any advice about what to do once you get in, but as far as getting in is concerned, just make sure you have a good, verifiable story lined up, not some vague bs.

As far as coming as a visitor, unless they specify otherwise (in rare instances) you are permitted entry for up to 6 months, but not allowed to work. There is no exit visa/exit verification so they have know way of knowing whether or not you leave at the end of that period.

[christpuncher]

From what you've written you won't even make it past the border. You cannot say you will be working without a work visa, obviously...

I'm fairly sure if you overstay you will have trouble the following time you try to come to Canada, border security between USA and Canada talk to each other.

Good luck finding a job as an illegal, one that isn't illegal itself... Nobody pays cash wages these days in Canada...

[RBerkley]

Post #5: Extra Rep point from me regarding Canadian visa issue.

The best option for OP is probably use the American immigration term “staying for pleasure/vacation” & not exceed a four-week stay.

Canada Customs & Border Patrol look like they are way stricter than the USA though, yet Justin Trudeau was marching along with an HIV-POZ Gay Syrian refugee at World Pride 2016 (I don’t have anything against anyone infected with a terminal illness, but Canadian immigration applications used to deny entry on people with HIV, mental illness, cancer, etc for health & safety reasons, but I am not sure if that statute is revoked under “human rights”).

Post #6: I know of many instances where Canadians (mostly women) illegally enter the USA & you never hear back from them, excepting one case where a U of T bartenderess was in the process of "moving" to the State of California (prolly a "sanctuary City-State") & she was infamous when she claimed that she was nearly "waped" by a "Trump supporter".

The response from a majority of intelligent Americans was whether she entered the USA legally or not. She was probably reported to the Department of Homeland Security too thanks to the Reddit Red Pill influence. It just shows how leftism makes it easier for more leftoids from Canada to immigrate to the USA illegally thanks to "sanctuary cities". I don't even know how the F can a feminist, single (am I being redundant for saying that?) bartender chick from UofT obtain a work visa or permanent residency.

It illustrates that "liberal" Canada is very strict on their immigration compared to the USA, in my experience & observation.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Kinko, come clean.

Which unemployed celebrity fleeing the Trumpenreich are you?

[Dr. Howard]

Other posters have covered the visa part, you have been forewarned on that.

Let me get you prepared for the tax part. I'm a Canadian that moved to America.

Taxes in Quebec
- sales tax is around 15%
- Income tax is around 32%
- health tax (to pay for the 'free' health insurance) 5%

Cost of goods in Canada
- Gas prices are currently 3x what they are in america
- Utilities prices are about 50 percent more than what they are in america
- A meal at McDonalds is about 13 dollars...no 4 for $4 there.
- the money you will be earning is only 75 percent of the USD dollar so don't have any expenses back home
- rent is generally lower
- real estate is outrageous. Canada never had the real estate bursting bubble pop that America did.

Last, Discrimination.
You will probably get along with people fine, but if you need to interact with any members of the government in Quebec, the official language is french and so is the paperwork. They will doubly look down on you for being english and american.

So, with that in mind, as Kona would say Aloha!

[Rekk'd]

Don't leave the States for Montreal, you will regret it! Unless you plan to study in Mcgill then it's cool.

[Kinko]

Canada is just mate guarding the poon in Montreal. Those Montreal girls must have it seriously going on! The women must all have white powdery light skin because they get no sunshine.

I was on Google Maps virtually checking out Montreal in street view and there are lots of hotties walking around. Seriously they look approachable too and they dress classy but do not overdo it like USA women.

Montreal is basically poon paradise with heavy guard gates.

Id attend whatever University necessary to get in there.

[Rekk'd]

The women here are beautiful, sexy, best asses I've seen in my life and most of them are very white. There are different looks of Quebec girls depending on where they come from but still they all look good.

Usually when I'm at a club or a bar the top quality girls are the quebecois not the other foreigners or canadians.

I wouldn't say they dress classy, but dress very sexy. Unless you are going for 25+ age then yes alot do dress classy.

Mcgill is not so hard to get into, they have the best parties, you get to meet girls from all over the world and the english speaking Quebec girls. Above that you get world class education from a very reputable university.

Good luck, I live in Montreal so if you have any questions I'm more than happy to answer them.

[Curunír]

Writing for Montreal as we speak.

If you can get a work visa, you can definitely make decent money in the bar or restaurant industry, which is thriving here.

If you look the plant hardiness zone, Montreal is there with Toronto and southern ontario as the "less bad" climates in Canada, Vancouver aside which tops it all.

Besides our very harsh winters, which are ironically way better than the northern parts of the province, such as Quebec city, Montreal has a lot to offer.

Probably and without a doubt the best ratio of hot girls in the Americas with, Manhattan.

Great nightlife.

Great subway system and transit.

Dense urban area (2 million on the island alone).

Low rent.

Party lifestyle (work to play).

I think your main concern is generating money here and getting in legally.

The rest you will not regret (did I mention the cold though).

[rudebwoy]

Who's going to hire a non French speaker?

Especially one without a visa.

Sorry, not happening.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

There are some jobs that don't require french. For example, I was dating a Colombian that spoke next to no french but had a job working for one of those port cargo companies doing shipping / receiving etc. That being said, without french your options are very limited.

If you get desperate there's always male stripping in the gay village. Good money

[CJM]

Here's the straight, no-bullshit response you're looking for:

1. You'll have almost zero issue communicating as an English speaker. In the inner-city, 95%+ speak English fluently. Once you get to the outskirts, that changes, but I suspect that won't be a problem.
2. It will be extremely difficult to get a job. Not impossible, but tough. This isn't because you wouldn't be virtually as effective as an English speaker, it's solely due to French pride and language heritage bullshit. The Canadian French take this very seriously. They are still bitter about losing the war I suppose (in 1756).
3. French is a super easy language to get a basic grasp of. Canadian French has a ton of slang, and "franglish", making it much harder to pick up all the subtle nuances and become a true fluent conversationalist. That said, you should be able to become officially bilingual without much stress. The rest will come.
4. If you knock up a local, you will be able to get citizenship fairly easily. Otherwise, you'll require a work visa for a long term stay.
5. Don't be swayed by the "they don't want you here" crowd. Yes, there is a small minority in the Quebec population who are devout francophones and do feel this way, but they are largely irrelevant and are dinosaurs in this era. Montreal is a liberal city and, frankly, they don't give a fuck where you're from.
6. Dress well. If you're a New Yorker, this shouldn't be a problem.

Hope this helps brother.

[CJM]

Forgot one point.

You said you're interested in going to school.

McGill is top 3 in Canada, and is an excellent school even on a world scale (only the top 3 schools in Canada can say this). It's right there with UBC and U of T. Concordia is 2nd/3rd tier, but still a respected institution. These are both Anglophone schools that offer excellent French classes.

If you were interested in obtaining a degree, you can very easily lock up a student visa and acquire loans (tuition in Canada is WAY cheaper than USA). Even at McGill, you're looking at 10-15G/year CAD, compared to 30-40+ a year at similar American upper-tier universities.

To be honest, this is likely your best/safest bet to moving here. Otherwise visa and financial sustainment will be hard. Not to mention, if you're in school you'll have front-row access to the legions of wet sorostitutes who are busy finding themselves, one dick at a time.

[Kinko]

I'd want to have a job at a restaurant. A food server and then learn how to be a waiter. Then learn fine dining. Bonjour!

What is the level of difficulty getting a work visa for restaurant work? The taxes are incredibly high, so I wonder if being a food server would make enough for my own pad.

For immigration I have a few dinks in my criminal background but it was a long time ago and no felonies. Nothing too bad but yeah a DUI is not helping, but at the same time you do not need a car for living in Montreal.

I dont mind the cold weather.

Prices for international tuition at Mcgill are sky high. Forget that.

I suppose all left to do is going online and applying for a work visa and immigration documents...

[SlickyBoy]

If you have a DUI, you should read this.

It can take a while in addition to the $200CAD fee for getting the waiver to be allowed in, but without that it'll probably be a showstopper.

Assuming you clear that hurdle, I agree with the others here suggesting that your best bet would be to go as a student. McGill is all the things they say it is. There is also UDM (Universite de Montreal) but they are strictly Francophone, with a few exceptions for exchange programs.

BTW if you are already enrolled somewhere, explore the exchange options wherever you are there - a semester abroad is a great way for you to sample the scene and potentially secure solid connections for employment.

Well, maybe; it depends what you're studying. Also, the Canadian economy isn't all that hot and Quebec in particular is often worse. Plenty of companies and well heeled Anglophones have hit the road partly out of taxes, but also because they just they just aren't welcome there. I've experienced this personally - some of the Quebecois are true assholes. They actively shun white folks who don't speak french (even though I do - they assumed I did not) while a motley assortment of non-French speaking low end immigrants continue to pile in and jump on the social welfare system. Kinda shortsighted.

If you can stay there for three years legally you can get citizenship, and the time spent as a student counts towards this. Maybe you could do a stint in the Canadian Armed Forces, but you'd better pray for an inside job if you're shy about the cold!