[churros]

I like Owen's early videos. His passion and enthusiasm are motivating.

Latest videos are cheesy and corporate. His instructors aren't worth watching.

But let's be fair. "Looks don't matter" is not their position. They used to say that. If there's anything to critique here, it's that they pretend never to have said it.

Maybe the bootcamps are worth the money for rich spergs. I don't need them.

[Alpharius]

...and I'm done.

[Zanardi]

(01-09-2017 02:30 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

When their boss makes a statement that 'looks and money don't matter', that is plain 'misrepresentation' (abject lying) for the purpose of tricking those young men into investing further into their 'magic words and behaviour that get you laid' themed products. When he posts a new video where he explicitly says "looks and money do matter, I was mistaken when I said that, but it is still true that they are only 2 factors", I'll stop calling him what I currently call him.

When normal dudes try to act like a sociopath like Julien, and end up disappointed because they're just not wired to do that naturally, and they discourage other forms of self-improvement, it certainly is a personality-cult based misleading of how a man can improve his chances of getting laid. And it's done for profit. So no-one is confused in making those assertions.

I have a slightly different opinion here

Regarding the "looks don't matter" issue, you may stop calling him as you currently call him. In one of his videos he addressed exactly this issue, because of the growing number of men that took this thing literally and dogmatically and went to talk to girls looking like street bums. He gathered all this problem into the WINS acronym:

W - workout;
I - image (how you dress, how you groom, etc.)
N - nutrition
S - shut the fuck up. You did everything you could in this domain.

By "looks don't matter" I think he means something like "don't bother too much about things that you cannot change like your height, your hair color, etc.". Girls do, because to us, men, it matters a lot the part of their looks that it cannot change (excepting plastic surgery). She can wish that her boobs are bigger all she wants, it won't change anything.

Here is the video I was talking about:

Regarding Julien, his game is based on self-amusement and I personally don't think he's a sociopath. But here I guess it's everybody's call.

Yes, there are parts that RSD doesn't talk about, one of them being demographics. For instance, I'd gladly do day game in Ploiesti, my city. However, a girl appears into my radar once at every 25-35 minutes (in spring and summer time) and I am forced to sit idle on a bench, downtown Ploiesti (the most crowded place of the entire city). For this reason, I got bored quickly and quit. After a long while it struck to me that Ploiesti has about 200000 people. No wonder I get outcomes like this. Perhaps in London, NY or Las Vegas I can do day game all day long and get action. Which leaves me only with building social circles in my town. I never heard RSD talking about this. Or maybe there is nothing to talk about to begin with.

I found RVF and ROK by accident, while I googled something about going out solo, and Roosh's blog was in the first page. Before that I was (and am) posting on RSD Nation. The main advantage that I see RVF has over RSD Nation is the quality of the posters. Unfortunately, most of the RSD Nation posts became a mixture of flaming and whining about how looks matter. Here, the discussions are more mature and have more substance.

[ivansirko]

(01-08-2017 02:40 PM)El Triste Wrote:  

This is a great forum but every time I return to the community I see a dip in my results and overall quality of life. have to permanently leave. Thanks.

[Phoenix]

(01-10-2017 02:36 AM)Zanardi Wrote:  

Regarding the "looks don't matter" issue, you may stop calling him as you currently call him. In one of his videos he addressed exactly this issue...

Regarding Julien, his game is based on self-amusement and I personally don't think he's a sociopath. But here I guess it's everybody's call.

I have a few questions for you, if you may. I've noticed that whenever criticism of RSD pops up here, a slate of low rep and low post members will pop up within 24 hours to defend them. Without fail. I call them the 'RSD worms that come out of the floorboards'.

I'm fascinated as to the nature of this, and I'll take not responding to these questions as evidence of what I suspect.

1. Are you in the employ of RSD?
2. Have you been given instructions on which online forums to monitor for RSD criticism? If so, what other forums are on that list?
3. Is RSD using any automated scripting to detect RSD criticism online, or do they rely on a network of employees/true-believers?
4. If you are not in their employ, approximately how many hours of their multimedia did you watch before you started actively defending them on other forums?
5. At what point did you come to the conclusion that Owen/Julien are 'friends' to be defended, instead of multimedia merchants? Do you recall the specific thing they said that flipped that switch for you? Or the specific video?
6. What do you think the fundamental reason is behind why posters on RSDnation are inferior to those on this forum?

Cheers

[Zanardi]

You got this all wrong. Seriously.

[Phoenix]

Just responding to what I'm seeing dude. Literally every single bit of criticism towards RSD on this forum since I joined has immediately precipitated a slew of low rep, low post sleeper or semi-sleeper members popping up to defend them. Other established members have noticed and commented on the same thing.

Makes me suspicious there is something organized going on, like RSD has either by money or brainwashing, created these defensive tendrils across the net, to protect their image (which is ultimately where all their profits come from).

[whiteknightrises]

RSD is like religion or politics; you will never change peoples' minds about them. The level of fanboyism is creepy, definitely a huge cult.

There are people who are just lost and believe everything
There are those who want to believe and try to rationalize things like Tyler saying "looks don't matter"
There are those that see through the bullshit (probably because they actually get laid) and realize it's a huge scam

There are a few gems like meditation (I got this from them) but the majority of the shit is garbage and just meant to suck you into their RSD world and maybe even get you to take a "bootcamp" (meet me and buy me dinner and I'll do much better).

The real thing you can learn from RSD is how to build a brand and a cultlike army of autistic losers that you can get to do or believe anything. From making your infield videos like ESPN highlights or crack cocaine, inventing RSD-specific words and phrases, using the "compliance ladder" as a tactic on your audience (would find a video but on phone), etc they are masters of marketing and manipulation (as evidenced by the armies of vulnerable, mostly virgins who praise their word more than the Holy Gospel)

I've met Julien and his game is nothing like in those crazy infield videos (not to mention things like instant makeouts and stuff don't necessarily get you laid). He was actually quite laid back and oh of course, maybe like 6'3" (not sure how tall exactly but quite tall), white, and pretty masculine looking with a deep voice. Things that are conveniently never talked about (just get in state bro!)

Fuck RSD. The sooner you cut yourself off completely from the brainwashing, the better.

I speak from personal experience,
Lays using RSD and other nonsense "pua" advice: single digits
Lays after finding shit like GLL (the truth): 40+ (in a little over a year)

I could go on and on but I'd be wasting my time

[Zanardi]

What is GLL?

[Phoenix]

(01-11-2017 02:52 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

I could go on and on but I'd be wasting my time

Please do though, I enjoy consuming any and all RSD-hate content

Owen & Julien:



Zanardi, it is goodlookingloser.com. Despite the name, it's not just about looks though (although he says you must get to 'above average' at a minimum). Basically covers everything we do, but without the politics and travel aspect, and with different emphasis.

[fokker]

What does Owen Crook have to do with the RVF?

[PapayaTapper]

(01-11-2017 03:17 AM)fokker Wrote:  

What does Owen Crook have to do with the RVF?

Nothing other than sending his minions here to protect his revenue stream apparently