[Luvianka]

(08-21-2011 10:42 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

I could see 3 girls in 3 weeks in Ukraine if you went at it hard. But 6 in three weeks is unlikely almost anywhere, especially Ukraine. I imagine you'd have to have some serious social circle hook ups prior to arriving or be opening 20-30 girls a day to pull that off. There simply aren't enough English-speakers around to even hit those numbers (maybe 5% of girls tops).

OK, two of the girls were just for one lay each, almost in the bushes. Carefree horny teenagers. Six minus two equals four.

[K-man]

(08-21-2011 10:42 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

I could see 3 girls in 3 weeks in Ukraine if you went at it hard. But 6 in three weeks is unlikely almost anywhere, especially Ukraine.

I have banged several Ukrainian girls, and none of them took more than 2 dates, a few the first night I met them. So I'm fairly certain if I went to Ukraine, I could bang 2 girls per week, which is what 6 girls for 3 weeks means. I agree it sounds impressive, but this is just how these girls are, they love to fuck - with the right man, of course.

In case you are wondering, I do speak fluent Russian, but I have other limitations (I am not an American, so I lose out big points for not being prospective marriage material and green card provider).

Hell, just this past weekend at the beach I hung out with two Ukrainian girls and it must have been the set that opened the easiest for me in months - I just put my beer between their two drinks and told them I was crashing at the bar for a minute - they met me with a smile and asked me what my name was. Very friendly girls, and reasonably hot (6-7). Didn't bang due to bad logistics, but within a half hour I was holding one's hand while my arm was around the other's waist.

[Entropy4]

Read my whole post. It's not the ease of girls I'm talking about. It's the language barrier. My experience in Ukraine (and Russia) was that 5-10% of the girls spoke English. So you're talking 10-20 approaches just to catch one English-speaker. Assuming you can bang 1/3 the English-speakers you meet, you're now talking ~45 approaches per bang on average. If you're banging two a week, that's 90 approaches a week or more than 10 a day, not counting at least 3-4 dates per week on top of that. And not counting going out at night (which he said didn't get him anywhere).

So anyway... like I said, it's not typical.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-22-2011 03:51 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I have banged several Ukrainian girls, and none of them took more than 2 dates, a few the first night I met them. So I'm fairly certain if I went to Ukraine, I could bang 2 girls per week, which is what 6 girls for 3 weeks means. I agree it sounds impressive, but this is just how these girls are, they love to fuck - with the right man, of course.

In case you are wondering, I do speak fluent Russian, but I have other limitations (I am not an American, so I lose out big points for not being prospective marriage material and green card provider).

Hell, just this past weekend at the beach I hung out with two Ukrainian girls and it must have been the set that opened the easiest for me in months - I just put my beer between their two drinks and told them I was crashing at the bar for a minute - they met me with a smile and asked me what my name was. Very friendly girls, and reasonably hot (6-7). Didn't bang due to bad logistics, but within a half hour I was holding one's hand while my arm was around the other's waist.

It sounds like these girls were on vacation? Girls on vacation are almost always easier then at home. Also, speaking fluent Russian has had to help a lot.

[K-man]

Yes, they were on vacation at the Black Sea in Bulgaria, which I have always recommended to anyone looking for Ukrainian or Russian girls but not willing to deal with the visa hassle, cost, and distance of going to the source.
Same for the Turkish beach resorts, although there you have to check the hotel first on tripadvisor.com and see if the reviews left are from Russians, Germans, or British people, as hotels there tend to be focused on a specific demographic.

Re: Russian - it's true it helps, and I think almost all Ukrainian and Russian girls I banged I spoke in Russian to them, even in the US. However, an American has a certain allure which I don't have (being Bulgarian) and it's not just the green card, but also being seen as a worldly, educated, well-traveled, and interesting person (especially if from New York, LA, or another major city which can easily be lied about).
So things probably even out.

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-23-2011 05:55 AM)K-man Wrote:  

However, an American has a certain allure which I don't have (being Bulgarian) and it's not just the green card, but also being seen as a worldly, educated, well-traveled, and interesting person (especially if from New York, LA, or another major city which can easily be lied about).
So things probably even out.

Hey Kman,

I still think you are way ahead of the game just knowing Russian and the vacation spot is awesome.

[Entropy4]

(08-23-2011 05:55 AM)K-man Wrote:  

So things probably even out.

Not even close to even imo. The American allure is overstated. And that allure is worthless when you can't even communicate with 95% of them. It takes me a week to even find one I can talk to. Whereas you can game every single one you meet. It's not even comparable.

[K-man]

(08-23-2011 10:54 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:55 AM)K-man Wrote:  

So things probably even out.

Not even close to even imo. The American allure is overstated. And that allure is worthless when you can't even communicate with 95% of them. It takes me a week to even find one I can talk to. Whereas you can game every single one you meet. It's not even comparable.

Hey, if just speaking Russian was sufficient to bang Russian chicks, then all the Russian dudes would be banging them. But somehow, Russian/Ukrainian girls don't seem to be impressed by their local dudes, everyone seems to agree to that.

Don't underestimate the power of a statement like "I'm from New York, I'm here on business, I live in an apartment downtown" (or drop a nice hotel name). Combine that with decent looks, good clothes, and some cash to flash, and I imagine they'd be speaking sign language while trying to get it on with you. Granted, this works well for G's (or those creating a realistic impression of being one), not so well for backpackers.

[Entropy4]

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Hey, if just speaking Russian was sufficient to bang Russian chicks, then all the Russian dudes would be banging them.

I never said it was sufficient by itself. That's retarded.

And as someone who lived in New York, does travel with cash, does say he's there on business, dresses very well and does stay in nice apartments downtown, you can go ahead and keep imagining sign language, because that's the only place it happens: in your imagination.

As OP said, the name of the game over there is to find English-speakers. Once you find them, they're fairly easy. But it's hard to find them. Very hard. I posted in this thread to let guys know who read this thread to not get the wrong idea about Ukraine-- if you don't speak Russian, you need to be prepared to put in a lot of time and effort to find English-speakers, and it can be frustrating.

Now, given the fact that you said yourself that you've never banged a Russian-speaking girl without speaking Russian to her, I have no idea why you're posting about something you have no experience with. Wow, a fluent Russian-speaker banged some Russian-speaking girls. That's great. Pat on the back. But what about the 99% of guys here who don't speak Russian? Your experience doesn't apply. It's apples to oranges. As an American who spent five weeks between Russia and Ukraine, and hooked up with four girls out there without speaking any Russian, I'm letting people know what to expect. To not get the idea simply from OP's numbers and think it's a cakewalk over there, because it's not. Unless you pipeline or have connections, you're going to be spending a lot of time approaching.

Moving on...

[K-man]

(08-24-2011 05:24 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

Now, given the fact that you said yourself that you've never banged a Russian-speaking girl without speaking Russian to her, I have no idea why you're posting about something you have no experience with.

Easy tiger. The above is true, but I recently witnessed a Dutch guy who spoke no Russian bang the girlfriend of a Russian girl that I picked up. Both girls spoke Russian only, and I also used Russian - why would I not use the ability if I have it? But even if I did not have it, I am convinced it's possible to pick one up with sign language, given other compensating factors - as I have done with a Czech girl, among others.

P.S. By 'sign language' I mean the most rudimentary 100 or so words in English that EVERY girl knows just from watching MTV. Complemented with, well, sign language.

[Entropy4]

Well dude, of course it can happen. I've banged girls who spoke not a word of English. But it's not common at all. And it's not something guys can count on happening. I mean, are you here to poke holes in my statements or are you here to give guys a clear picture of what being an English-speaker in Ukraine is like?

Notice I never said any of this stuff is impossible. I'm just saying it's not an easy place to land and immediately start pumping chicks out left and right without a lot of preparation or grunt work (which OP did). Guys should expect to get rejected A LOT on the language barrier alone. That wasn't clear by OP's original post.

Not sure what we're even arguing about. If you've got something to contribute from your own experience, and not just guesses based on 1-2 random experiences with girls on vacation, then contribute it. If not, then let's just move on.

[Marco]

Just my 2 cents for the language issue from my experience:
Yes it is a factor but not that critical to bang, couple of years ago I've picked up 2 Russian girls in Ulan Bataar which hardly spoke English, it was in a club when parting and drinking, in this environment language is less important.
In Russia there are quite a few which can speak descent English, I think much more than 10% in age range of 20-30, so there are enough options even for none Russian speakers.

[Entropy4]

I found there to be more English speakers in Russia than in Ukraine. St. Petersburg also had a couple bars that were kind of the unofficial "English speakers" bars. So if you could find those, it was pretty easy to get laid. I never found a venue like that in Ukraine.

[K-man]

All right, here's an actual contribution about how to pick up girls when they don't speak your language. It's from a blog I just found out about yesterday, from this forum.

Even when a girl doesn't understand you one bit because she speaks a foreign language, if you talk to her while using effective nonverbal attraction techniques, she'll become desirous of you.

So you might meet a girl who doesn't speak English, and you start talking to her. "I'm sorry, I don't understand," she says. Or maybe she just shakes her head and says, "Sorry."

You say, "That's okay," and smile at her warmly. You can tell she's interested. You take her hand and pull her along. "Let me show you this," you say. You're not sure if she understands you or not; it doesn't really matter. You've said something just to fill the void, but it doesn't really matter what you said. The only thing that matters is that she's attracted to you -- predominantly because of your nonverbals.

You start talking about very light, silly stuff -- "Romania! I love it here!" Get her involved, point to her, then point to the ground and then gesture all around you -- "You, here? Love it?" put your hands over your heart. "Or no?" as you make a stern-but-silly facial expression and wave no, while glancing away from her briefly (quick tip: avoid saying or gesturing "no" while looking at a girl directly; you can inadvertently / subconsciously send her into auto-rejection).

She shakes her head and laughs, still not understanding you. "I'm sorry...!" she starts.

"It's okay!" you say, very loudly, playfully, happily, and expressively. Gesture wildly that it doesn't matter. "I like you even if you don't understand a word I'm saying!" She'll probably still be laughing, because you're being a little silly, but still moving things forward, and she's attracted, and she knows you're attracted. Just do this a little more, and move very fast towards your logistics. Keep leading; tell her where you're going, gesture towards it, be fun and spontaneous, and keep leading.

She'll try to leave. Don't let her go. Gesture very expressively, with a mock-concerned look on your face, for her to follow. Again, be extremely expressive. "No, you mustn't go!" you tell her. "We're not this far, just this way! Come, young lady, you must accompany me!" Continue gesturing and verbally commanding her (even though she doesn't understand). Much of the time, she'll relent, laughing, and go with you.

Then you get her alone, kiss her right away, and the two of you get together.

That's what being a sexy man is about. It's not about words much, at all. Being sexually attractive and compelling to women is largely about nonverbal factors.
http://www.girlschase.com/content/nonver...hout-words

[dedoshucos]

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(08-16-2011 01:12 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quality of Women: 5/5
Ease of Hooking Up: 4/5 among English speakers, 2/5 among non English speakers
Things to Do: 2/5
Time Spent there: three weeks
Lays: 6
Executive Summary: A gray and boring a place to visit but full of very, very hot girls.

The Basics: There are already some posts about Odessa, Kiev and Russia. Since I don’t want to sound repetitive I titled this post after one of the small cities I visited in Ukraine, however this is good for all Ukraine and Russia. I hope to write any time soon a more detailed data sheet about two or three specific small Ukrainian cities. I am posting this comment more as introduction to Ukraine than a specific data sheet. Ukraine is a paradise for those PUAs who play by some simple rules. Economic collapse, migration, wars and alcoholism have decimated the male population of Ukraine (and Russia), so the seduction game is completely stacked in a male’s favor. The material to play is simply the best. Ukrainian women are tall, skinny and feminine. Most of them took ballet or gymnastics lessons at an early age, so they have incredible bodies. They are educated, can talk to you about books, plays, local historical sites, etc. However, it’s important to note that women in those places don’t jump into the first man who walks down the street; Ukrainian girls are taught that their biggest asset is their youth and beauty, and that they should marry before 25. So, every nubile girl is looking for a husband. No matter if she has agreed to fuck with you, she wants to know that the man she’s getting laid is worth it. Said that, pay attention to this:
You have to be confident, but not arrogant. Don’t you behave like an idiot. Don’t you behave like your average Joe Six Pack who is in a sports bar, or an Italian drunk tourist who harasses anything wearing a skirt.
Dress properly. Don’t you wear shorts, sport shoes or shirts. Put your Dockers on and a long sleeve shirt. Remove any piercing you have.
The biggest barrier is of course, language. If you can take an intensive, basic one month Russian course is worth it. If not, you can curve it, but your chances would be cut by two thirds.
Downtown targeted day game is the key. The easiest way to start contact is going to a coffee shop and ask for anything, whether if a seat is taken, a direction or if you can buy tea instead of coffee in that place. I know it’s difficult but travelling with a buddy is the best you can do. Get into any coffee shop and start talking with him (English, Spanish, etc.) while you are in the line and you would immediately attract the attention of every girl there.
The GMW move never fails. In every town and city of Ukraine there is a place or story about WWII (they call it the Great Motherland War, GMW); whether the site of a bloody battle or a monument (most of the times an old tank mounted on a concrete cube placed in a park). Ask for directions to visit those places. By doing this you have a conversation topic and you show you are a serious person. Yes, I know you care a shit about History, but you want your foot in the door, ain’t you?
English is spoken for only 10% of people. Some parents, concerned that their daughters have little chances of getting married with local men, pay for English classes for them. The bigger the city (Kiev, Ukraine, Sebastopol, Lugansk, Odessa) the more chances of finding English speaking girls.
Be neutral about Russia. Eastern Ukrainians love Russia, Western Ukrainians hate Russia.
Once you have made contact, play direct game. Ukrainian and Russian women like to be dominated. They don’t like pussyfied men.
In bed they like spankings and hair pulling. Don’t ask for anal, just do it directly.

Things To Do: There is not much to do in Ukraine. Clubs are outdated (under Western standards), restaurants are austere and the beaches are awfully cold.
If you still want to go to a club, ask in your hotel’s front desk for advice. Be prepared to spend at least $100 in alcohol. The clubs could be awful, but they cash nicely. Women in clubs are more cosmopolitan and so there is a better chance that they speak English. Be prepared to watch some stunning blondes who could be in Cosmopolitan or Playboy pages in those places.
The only good thing about Ukrainian beaches is that the water is very cold and Ukrainian women love to dive in cold water. As soon as they get out, you can see their slender wet bodies and erected nipples barely covered by tiny thongs. In small towns it’s pretty common to take a dive in freezing rivers and small lakes.
If you go to a restaurant with a girl, ask for Borsch and tell her that you want to compare this soup with the Russian style Borsch you are used to eat in the Russian restaurant there is in your city. She would tell you 10 reasons why Ukrainian cuisine is better and you would make points.

Racism: I am a light brown skin Mexican. I didn’t feel or experience any racist feeling against me. On the contrary, I think my skin color played as a curiosity factor, so I attracted many women. Maybe someone can tell a different story.

All my props to Luvianka, SUPER-POST! I'm new to this thread so I have some advice to ask Luvianka.

Now I've being to Europe before UK, Spain, Czech and Hungary. Please view my film on youtube: Search "ALLAN'S BUDAPEST BLAST"

Had obviously a blast in 2008. I ask Luvianka because I too I'm of Latino decent but speak with an American accent but speak fluent Spanish as well so I feel your the best person to ask the following:

I plan to visit eastern Europe again for the 2012 Eurocup and are considering either Slovakia, Russia or Prague in CR. Which of these countries do you mostly recommend for a 34 year old Latino? You can see pics of me on the video (which I really recommend everyone sees)

Would you say my age may be an obstacle?

And how do the "very pale white" Ukrainians deal with the whole "looking gypsy at first glance" thing which I thought kinda funny in Budapest/lake baloton?

Do they have a large gypsy population they despise?

I've read all your posts including the one about speaking Spanish out loud. Can you elaborate a little more about how your Latino-Spanish culture was perceived? being that it's not the same (European Spanish) they have closer to home.

Now I intend to go for about a month or two and want to spend my money wisely.
I never traveled to any European country were a visa was needed so that's new to me, Do you now how that works? What's this about going to Bulgaria without a visa to meet Ukrainian girls???

My biggest concern, call it insecurity, is my age. How do the Ukrainian hotties perceive the "on their 30"s men?
Are they very youth driven?
How old were you when you went there??

Now I don't speak any Russian (I guess I could do a few months crash course before I leave) but I'm ok in French and I think may even be even better at French when I go.

Thanks for your time dude, again this post is merciless, it rocks, it kicks ass. I never post replies on any but this was something else.

"Gracias por los consejos para mi, los voy a apreciar."

Me on the pics below:

[Luvianka]

Dedoshucos,
Your age is not an obstacle, but the opposite. Western males, also Americans have been indoctrinated that they must date women their age, while in the rest of the World, but also in Eastern Europe, a 10-15 years age gap between the male and the female in any couple is not only expected, but desired. Ukraine is a complex society. It has many elements of the Old Soviet System (public health, schooling and housing), but when it comes to male-female relationships it's very taditional. A woman is told that her main asset is her beauty and youth, so she should marry before 25 to a "serious" man who has a good living (basically one who can afford a house and three meals a day). His age is irrelevant 30s, 40s, etc.
May I suggest you to drop the goattie and the dyed hair?
Another suggestion: Focus in one or two countries, but not more. I know that you don't go to Europe every day. But If your goal is to play the field, you must focus your efforts since the background changes from country to country and game takes time. For example, the Czech Republic is pretty much westernized and women are very, very laid out. Most of them know basic English and have a slutty attitude. In Ukraine you are going to find the opposite.
Going there during the EURO 2012? Mmm... That has pros and cons.
The pros: A lot of tourists, a lot of alcohol, a lot of hot spots, and a lot of local girls approaching to meet foreigners.
The cons: Inflated prices for everything and a lot of competitors, also among German, Italian, English and French males. Germans are a fierce competition, they are the catch for every Eastern woman. Italians are a nightmare, every one of them thinks of himself as a modern Valentino and harrasses anything wearing a skirt. English and drunktards, fuck with them, French tend to be snobs. It's going to be pretty crowded, anyway.
Taking a Russian course is worth it.

[iknowexactly]

(09-12-2011 01:01 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

a lot of competitors, also among German, Italian, English and French males. Germans are a fierce competition, they are the catch for every Eastern woman. Italians are a nightmare, every one of them thinks of himself as a modern Valentino and harrasses anything wearing a skirt. English and drunktards, fuck with them, French tend to be snobs. It's going to be pretty crowded, anyway.
Taking a Russian course is worth it.

This is useful, never heard a breakdown of the competition in EE.

I'm guessing Germans are desired because of the wealth of the country? They don't have much of a rep as lovers from what I've heard. By the way, I'm part Italian American so I'm biased.

I absolutely think of myself as a modern Valentino, except he died at 24. I am definitely the player's nightmare, I actually want to marry a chick!!!!

[Luvianka]

(09-12-2011 01:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 01:01 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

a lot of competitors, also among German, Italian, English and French males. Germans are a fierce competition, they are the catch for every Eastern woman. Italians are a nightmare, every one of them thinks of himself as a modern Valentino and harrasses anything wearing a skirt. English and drunktards, fuck with them, French tend to be snobs. It's going to be pretty crowded, anyway.
Taking a Russian course is worth it.

This is useful, never heard a breakdown of the competition in EE.

I'm guessing Germans are desired because of the wealth of the country? They don't have much of a rep as lovers from what I've heard. By the way, I'm part Italian American so I'm biased.

I absolutely think of myself as a modern Valentino, except he died at 24. I am definitely the player's nightmare, I actually want to marry a chick!!!!

Have you ever seen a drunk Italian in any world famous beach resort (whether Cancun, Los Cabos, Varadero, Ibiza, Odessa, etc.) He shouts at any girl 'Ciao, bella' as if it were the key to have a Pavlovian response from her. Come on! The worst comes when you have made initial contact with two or more girls, and he suddenly wants to be yor buddy-buddy to take advantage on your game.
Nothing against Italy or Italianians or Italianian-Americans, though. Actually, I love your pastas and The Godfather I & II, but not The Godafther III. What can you expect from a movie starred by Andy García. Nothing against Cubans, though.

[K-man]

(09-12-2011 01:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

This is useful, never heard a breakdown of the competition in EE.

I'm guessing Germans are desired because of the wealth of the country? They don't have much of a rep as lovers from what I've heard.

There definitely are stereotypes that have emerged for a reason.
I may add to this the guys from Israel who tend to be very aggressive, move in packs, and hit on any half-decent looking girl with a quickness. Don't know if many of them will be going to EURO 2012, I hope for y'all's sake that Israel does not qualify (2 rounds left in the group phase yet).

[ManAbout]

(09-12-2011 01:58 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Have you ever seen a drunk Italian in any world famous beach resort (whether Cancun, Los Cabos, Varadero, Ibiza, Odessa, etc.) He shouts at any girl 'Ciao, bella' as if it were the key to have a Pavlovian response from her.

Yes, they are the most aggressive when it comes to pursuing women. But, arguably, they are also the most successful.

You can hate on them all you want, but ask any girl what nationality of guys she likes the most, more often than not, her answer will be "Italian".

[The Duke]

(09-13-2011 06:03 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I may add to this the guys from Israel who tend to be very aggressive, move in packs, and hit on any half-decent looking girl with a quickness. Don't know if many of them will be going to EURO 2012, I hope for y'all's sake that Israel does not qualify (2 rounds left in the group phase yet).

In Eastern Ukraine, I've met three Jewish girls so far. One of them plans to migrate to Israel. The only other place to have I've seen to have this density of Jewish people is Boca Raton, Florida. A difference I should point out is that the Jews in Ukraine are better looking.

[Luckystar]

(09-13-2011 09:07 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 01:58 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Have you ever seen a drunk Italian in any world famous beach resort (whether Cancun, Los Cabos, Varadero, Ibiza, Odessa, etc.) He shouts at any girl 'Ciao, bella' as if it were the key to have a Pavlovian response from her.

Yes, they are the most aggressive when it comes to pursuing women. But, arguably, they are also the most successful.

You can hate on them all you want, but ask any girl what nationality of guys she likes the most, more often than not, her answer will be "Italian".

I think that was the case in the past. I find that girls are avoiding Italians like the plague more and more. They've caught on to the fact these guys usually have limited game, limited intellect, and limited fashion sense (shocking, isn't it?). More and more they are being seen as cheeseballs and losers.

[rudebwoy]

EE girls in general do not like Germans, they have a bad snobbish arrogant attitude when they travel.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-13-2011 07:15 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

EE girls in general do not like Germans, they have a bad snobbish arrogant attitude when they travel.

Reminds me of the time I was having dinner with my girl in Odessa. I went to the bathroom and a German started waving his hands trying to get my girl's attention from another table. He was on a date with another girl which is kind of funny. He wouldn't make eye contact with me when I got back.

[Marco]

There is too much generalization here, tough there is a general behavior per nationality due to cultural reasons people are varied and have different behavior.
There are many rude Germans and on the other hand Italian gentlemen.