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What would it take for a society to be truly educated?
12-18-2016, 12:16 AM
by truly educated, I don't mean how it is in North America, lots of useless degrees, some tradesmen and military. By truly educated, I mean a population that:
- is highly literate and at least somewhat invested in the arts
- economically self-sufficient, very low percentage of pop. in need of assistance
- is aware of the history and culture of their country and will contribute to upholding these things
- has some military training and could perform self-defence in case of an emergency or survive prolonged civil unrest
- is aware of and involved with politics beyond just voting.
What do you all say, additions or subtractions?
Also, would any government in the world allow such a population to rise?
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12-18-2016, 12:37 AM
Well, you might want to start with the title.
Other than that, I'd say that historical examples that you should look into would be classical Greece and Florence, Italy during the Renaissance.
The problems with my examples are that even during the Renaissance, literacy was 35% in Florence, tops.
Educated guess here, my constraint would be that this country you are speaking of is a sort of city-state with a relatively low population by modern standards and a form of general economic income (like the Swiss and their banking) that doesn't rely on brute labor.
It would also require some form of intelligence test just to get in.
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What would it take for a society to be truly educated?
12-18-2016, 05:14 AM
That's a difficult question to answer. Here are some of my thoughts on the matter:
-Merely having a curriculum that includes the items you mentioned is no guarantee that a population exposed to that curriculum will meaningfully absorb or utilise any of it. Most of us learn algebra and calculus at school, how many will remember it by age 25? Many enlightened 19th century gentleman probably thought that extending literacy to the population would entail a population of erudite individuals working for the betterment of humanity...I live in a country with 99% literacy yet stupidity seems remarkably abundant. What would they think about the value of education if transported to the present day?
-When education is viewed as a means to an end, the focus will probably just be on the end (i.e. getting the required gpa to get a good job). This mentality encourages preparing for exams over meaningfully engaging with the subject matter, which in turn encourages cramming over critical thinking and knowledge acquisition. This is the mentality that most university students have nowadays.
-A culture that values and elevates celebrity gossip and sports above all else, makes these things not just a harmless distraction but a major focus of its waking hours, is not going to value intellectual achievements or education whatsoever.
-This may be more relevant to my culture, but tall poppy syndrome is like the kiss of death to meaningful education and literacy - it makes people ashamed to display any knowledge above the everyday banal for fear of appearing arrogant. Intellectual achievers being given derogatory names like 'nerds' or 'geeks' is symptomatic of this also.
-Most of the most impressive thinkers (in my opinion) seem to be autodidacts to a large extent. Again suggesting that the way people think is way more important than formal education.
-In light of the above: an education system that encourages critical thinking, questioning, and gives students the tools for verifying the truth independently, in conjunction with a media environment and parenting code that encourages rather than shames intellectual pursuits would be the best situation. Not likely to happen in the next few centuries or so...
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What would it take for a society to be truly educated?
12-18-2016, 07:57 AM
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Education is wasted on people who don't want to be educated. Billions are spent trying to force round pegs into square holes and wailing, pulling our hair and gnashing our teeth when a certain percentage of lazy dipshits fail miserably.
Basic literacy and numeracy is all kids need. We are far removed from the days prior to public libraries when books were hard to come by and the internet didn't exist. The stark reality is that people who want to learn will do so. What's worse, kids are forced to waste their valuable learning years being force fed nonsense that is alternately useless as fuck or decades behind in real world applications (why the fuck was I forced to spend two weeks making a shitty clay dog and drawing fucking trees before later being passed or failed in another class on my ability to use obsolete computer systems?).
Let's face it. A guy flipping burgers or pushing trolleys around doesn't need the state to waste tens of thousands of dollars teaching him Hamlet and who Franz Ferdinand was. The reality is that much of secondary school is simply a brainwashing phase for academic marxists, and always will be because marxists recoil from the real world and inevitably become academics.
Bin secondary school and college. Apprentice all trades. Kids will have 8 or 9 years of PRODUCTIVITY and hands on experience in the real world. Cultural marxism will die screaming.
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What would it take for a society to be truly educated?
12-18-2016, 08:05 AM
Punctuation and spelling would go a long way.
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