[Travesty]

(08-15-2011 02:14 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

*When a man talks with a girl, one leads, the other follows. You ask, she answers, traditionally. But if you make declarative statements enough, with no come-ons, she will be forced to start leading and asking the questions. And she'll eventually ask you out. DHV.

Old thread I stumbled on. I thought this was worth noting as it is the same method BlurredSevens used in his online strategy way back now. Pretty much using statements of how his life is going for weeks with the girl, banter, and no direct come-ons. Then the girl would be so into it she would ask what he's up to or asking him to meet.

By then she was so warm he could invite her straight over, story closed.

Which points to, like a direct approach is the lazy way compared to making up creative stories about the girl & accusations...

Like how "meet me at X bar @9" is the lazy way to text...

Like how Tinder is the lazy online game vs. building an Instagram girls want to follow...

[Jean Valjean]

It's interesting, some older women will still counsel younger women that they should consider that a man isn't "serious" if he's unwilling to marry her. The assumption seems to be that men aren't trustworthy.

Well, how do we know that the girl is serious? It seems to be assumed that she, being a woman, is trustworthy, and that therefore marriage doesn't need to bind her the way that it binds men. It's assumed that she would stay loyal as long as he did. Or else maybe it's assumed that the SMV crossover will ensure she has no incentive to leave, because she won't be able to get as good a man if she jumps back on the mate market at an older age.

If women are taking on the same roles that men used to fulfill, though, and/or she can get some marital property in the event of divorce (and/or restraining order), that might not be enough to keep her around. Her ability to provide for herself could be rising, and even outpacing his. Plus, with so many thirsty young men out there, she might be able to satisfy her sexual appetites by playing the cougar.

Of course, men make a commitment to pay child support just by having a kid, whether they get married or not. I guess having a kid could be considered a commitment on her part too, in that a single mom has lower SMV (or, what's the term for ability to attract a man for a committed relationship? LTRMV?), but plenty of moms have no problem taking the man's, or the state's, money, and then jumping back on the carousel.

[Fightersword]

This thread' still definitely relevant today. The situation in college hasn't changed much as compared to OP's post. In fact I've gotten to the point where I can pretty much throw girls into one of two pots. They're either partiers, like the ones mentioned in this thread, or more traditional girls actually looking for marriage. the former usually being very few qualities to the table that would make them marriage material anyway, because they simply haven't put forward the time to learn those skills, instead preferring to take easy classes and party in college. The other group is almost always already married. In fact I don't think I've met a girl here in college with a traditional outlook on life and marriage skills (I.E. cooking) that wasn't already married. They'll at least have a long term boyfriend, and usually aren't the types to cheat (with exceptions).

It's a really hard time to be a male college student. All the stuff your parents or other older friends tell you about college isn't true anymore, especially when it comes to relationships in general. Most people keep to themselves now, preferring social media to face to face, and it's hurting pretty much every aspect of the institution. Colleges either don't care or don't know how to fix it. And anyone who looks for an LTR in these areas is either deluded or so high value that he'll be able to get a high quality girl anyway. Make sure you're the latter if you're just getting into college lads.

[rudebwoy]

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

[Kid Twist]

The TL;DR here is SMV for women, early. For men, later. Allow opportunities and income to increase for women, entertainment and frivolity goes full force, traditional value and family regress ... oh yeah, the young 20 ghosting phenomenon is very real, and fits the scenario perfectly.

I just thought of my new signature, like the Terrell Owens saying ... Get your passport ready!

[Darkwing Buck]

(08-16-2011 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

U.S. women still want commitment - or at least a boyfriend.

However, as average status of women rise and men fall, there are fewer eligible bachelors.

As a man in my 30's with his shit together, I have no shortage of women (under 24) wanting to lock me down in relationships. Aimless guys who aren't ridiculously good looking are the ones struggling, and as relates to them, yeah, it may seem women want no relationship.

The problem with this is a lot of guys who aren't blessed by genetics basically have to go through 10-15 years of suffering (from age 15-30) before they reach this point. It takes years of dedication in the gym to strict exercise and diet to develop a physique, years of building a career/lifestyle to develop status, and years of experience to understand women and value themselves.

A lot of guys aren't built for that or get burned out on the journey or never even begin the journey.

Women are born with their inherent value. Men have to earn it.

For a lot of men who are lower on the physical SMV scale they end up grinding to reach the light at the end of the tunnel. And sometimes on the way there they realize the light isn't that bright cuz American women just simply aren't quality in most cases.

Who wants to spend years struggling to become a top 10 or 20% man then have some chick "settle" for him who already has been ran through by a bunch of natural alphas in the past?

Shit is grim out here guys.

[torridon747]

I'm still surprised at how much 18-25 year old girls just ghost out. Pre-game I even tried to lock down a few that had explicitly said were just DTF and they were not interested after I tried to bring commitment into it.

i think if you have your shit together, take care of yourself, show some status and stability with a little adventure mixed in girls will be down to commit but she's gotta be chasing you. Those things are not easy to build for yourself if you started with none of them. It's possible though

It's just the nature of the game now with American women. Whatever happens it's sure better than not playing at all.

[Kid Twist]

Yup, I just made that signature for a reason. Niche American girls or none at all.

I look back fondly at my 20s, I had a lot going for me then, I have a lot going for me now. Now I just laugh at their stupidity as I pay little attention to many who, if they were wise or listened to any wisdom surrounding them (probably never had that either), would have been lucky to nab someone moving into high SMV territory but had much less experience or understanding of their shit.

I often wonder, is the age at which is dawns on them that their stock is plummeting at least getting earlier? It's funny to think that cat ladies or salty 30+ year olds serve as the sacrificial idiots for those upcoming girls who have any sense at all, if they're paying attention.

[PuppetMaster]

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

[Travesty]

(06-07-2017 01:09 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

U.S. women still want commitment - or at least a boyfriend.

However, as average status of women rise and men fall, there are fewer eligible bachelors.

As a man in my 30's with his shit together, I have no shortage of women (under 24) wanting to lock me down in relationships. Aimless guys who aren't ridiculously good looking are the ones struggling, and as relates to them, yeah, it may seem women want no relationship.

The problem with this is a lot of guys who aren't blessed by genetics basically have to go through 10-15 years of suffering (from age 15-30) before they reach this point. It takes years of dedication in the gym to strict exercise and diet to develop a physique, years of building a career/lifestyle to develop status, and years of experience to understand women and value themselves.

Mike ended up marrying a 6 with a good body that is younger. He dated down to get a girl that isn't high maintenance which ends up being the case 95%+ of the time in America. Now with his status he could easily have an 8. For all his wisdom on red pill & women he did what the normal thing for the smarter American guys to do is when they settle down, date down so the girl doesn't give you trouble. This is American dating in a nutshell. Bang girls at similar SMV or slightly higher that give drama & shit, settle down with girl below your league to reduce the headaches.

[The Beast1]

(06-07-2017 01:43 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

Improve your social circle and/or explain to them point blank what you want out of a wife. Seriously, most women are idiots and haven't been taught what it means to be a wife. The ones that listen to you and take what you say seriously are the keepers. The ones that rebuke you with muh feminism are the ones you fuck and chuck.

This requires you knowing what you want out of a woman and a marriage. Do you have what it takes to define what it is you want in marriage?

I was getting all sorts of girls chasing me when I landed a decent job right out of college. Most of them were going to "grad school" for professional careers, one was a model, and the one I married was the one that took my demand of "learn wifely duties and be my first mate in marriage".

Date a woman for a month or two and straight up ask her what "wifely duties" are. Probe her how she would run a home and ask her what she thinks of a marriage dynamic of captain/first mate.

(06-07-2017 02:51 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:09 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

U.S. women still want commitment - or at least a boyfriend.

However, as average status of women rise and men fall, there are fewer eligible bachelors.

As a man in my 30's with his shit together, I have no shortage of women (under 24) wanting to lock me down in relationships. Aimless guys who aren't ridiculously good looking are the ones struggling, and as relates to them, yeah, it may seem women want no relationship.

The problem with this is a lot of guys who aren't blessed by genetics basically have to go through 10-15 years of suffering (from age 15-30) before they reach this point. It takes years of dedication in the gym to strict exercise and diet to develop a physique, years of building a career/lifestyle to develop status, and years of experience to understand women and value themselves.

Mike ended up marrying a 6 with a good body that is younger. He dated down to get a girl that isn't high maintenance which ends up being the case 95%+ of the time in America. Now with his status he could easily have an 8. For all his wisdom on red pill & women he did what the normal thing for the smarter American guys to do is when they settle down, date down so the girl doesn't give you trouble. This is American dating in a nutshell. Bang girls at similar SMV or slightly higher that give drama & shit, settle down with girl below your league to reduce the headaches.

Most if not all of the "hot fuck chicks" you meet these days make terrible home makers and are abysmal mothers. Even if they have to go out and work in an office, they still don't know what it takes to run a home, cook a meal, or raise a child.

Women who aren't of that top caliber learn early on that the way to nab a guy of decent value is to know how to run a good home.

When you get older, you stop looking for the validation of a hot chick and start thinking about how to best and most efficiently run a home and more importantly raise children.

The "homely" women know this deep down and perfect it. The pretty ones not so much. Traditional cultures of course control this, but you really have to make sure you keep her in a good community once you move her to the west. Seriously, go find a based church (ie one that doesn't allow gays or women in clergy) and look for a community that really wants you there. Hang out and make friends. Your traditional woman will be right at home and not stray. Above all, her social circle will be with like minded women who will encourage her NOT to cheat.

[PuppetMaster]

(06-07-2017 03:23 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:43 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

Improve your social circle and/or explain to them point blank what you want out of a wife. Seriously, most women are idiots and haven't been taught what it means to be a wife. The ones that listen to you and take what you say seriously are the keepers. The ones that rebuke you with muh feminism are the ones you fuck and chuck.

This requires you knowing what you want out of a woman and a marriage. Do you have what it takes to define what it is you want in marriage?

I was getting all sorts of girls chasing me when I landed a decent job right out of college. Most of them were going to "grad school" for professional careers, one was a model, and the one I married was the one that took my demand of "learn wifely duties and be my first mate in marriage".

Date a woman for a month or two and straight up ask her what "wifely duties" are. Probe her how she would run a home and ask her what she thinks of a marriage dynamic of captain/first mate.

(06-07-2017 02:51 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:09 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I know what traits I desire in a woman. More importantly, I know which traits to not tolerate in any woman.

How old were you when you got married?

[Fightersword]

(06-07-2017 01:43 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

This may be true, but it's not an excuse not to get your shit together and attract women. Besides the trysts you'll get out of them, the women you actually want to attract and get commitment out of won't commit to you if you don't have your shit together either. These girls are also usually the most competitive to get long term, since they actually have value past their 30th birthday.

You're going to need game whether you want a thousand bangs, one good woman, or both.

[The Beast1]

(06-07-2017 04:07 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:23 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:43 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

Improve your social circle and/or explain to them point blank what you want out of a wife. Seriously, most women are idiots and haven't been taught what it means to be a wife. The ones that listen to you and take what you say seriously are the keepers. The ones that rebuke you with muh feminism are the ones you fuck and chuck.

This requires you knowing what you want out of a woman and a marriage. Do you have what it takes to define what it is you want in marriage?

I was getting all sorts of girls chasing me when I landed a decent job right out of college. Most of them were going to "grad school" for professional careers, one was a model, and the one I married was the one that took my demand of "learn wifely duties and be my first mate in marriage".

Date a woman for a month or two and straight up ask her what "wifely duties" are. Probe her how she would run a home and ask her what she thinks of a marriage dynamic of captain/first mate.

(06-07-2017 02:51 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:09 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I know what traits I desire in a woman. More importantly, I know which traits to not tolerate in any woman.

How old were you when you got married?

26

[kaotic]

(06-07-2017 04:15 PM)Fightersword Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:43 PM)PuppetMaster Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 09:43 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Get your shit in order and see how fast they will want a commitment from you.

Many of the women that will chase you once you have your shit together aren't worth committing to though.

This may be true, but it's not an excuse not to get your shit together and attract women. Besides the trysts you'll get out of them, the women you actually want to attract and get commitment out of won't commit to you if you don't have your shit together either. These girls are also usually the most competitive to get long term, since they actually have value past their 30th birthday.

You're going to need game whether you want a thousand bangs, one good woman, or both.

Bingo!

This is a great thread revive and reminds men of the important of being successful and active.

Make your paper, get a career, learn a trade, lift some weights, have a decent body, eat right feel better, travel when you can.

The majority of this shit isn't hard - it's all in a mindset ! In this case a Gorilla Mindset !

[DimeBait]

(06-07-2017 04:44 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Bingo!

This is a great thread revive and reminds men of the important of being successful and active.

Make your paper, get a career, learn a trade, lift some weights, have a decent body, eat right feel better, travel when you can.

The majority of this shit isn't hard - it's all in a mindset ! In this case a Gorilla Mindset !

Yessir! My #1 priority right now is getting healthy, in shape and traveling. Furthermore, I'm just on some plain ole selfish IDGAF shit where my #1 concern is my own emotional, financial and physical well being.
I only do shit I enjoy doing and don't give AF about things that don't bring me satisfaction. I know my "IDGAF" attitude is exuding because I'm getting bishes pursuing me in my social media DM's. Sometimes I don't even respond.
Bishes can sense desperation & neediness. Women are like credit cards and your FICO score, whereas your score goes up the more available credit you have that you don't use.

The bottom line, DO YOU, and the rest will follow.

[John Michael Kane]

All of this talk, but one must keep in mind one of the major reasons why women are able to remain "independent": The State continues to wealth-transfer from tax paying men to women in the form of social "services", which are just wholesale theft from men, and gifts to women who refuse to commit. That's has been one of Heartises main talking points over the years: A shift from marriage in the West to Party Girl lifestyle. There's not enough tax paying men working these days, so the party is coming to an end sooner or later.

[Graft]

Great thread revival. Interesting to see how this was made in 2011-really before the whole social media craze. Once (((they))) threw in Snapchat and Instagram, women's FOMO got much worse.

There are really two types of girls-those who are complete commitment phobes, and those who want commitment with caveats. There are plenty of girls who want commitment, but they still want to keep their male friends, bars, social media, parties, fattening food, while performing little to none of their feminine duties.

Maybe I'm just ultra jaded because I'm located in NYC, where it's impossible to find a homebody, but it seems to be the trend everywhere.

If you really want an LTR, the solution is to abandon traditional values, become a fun-loving, bar-hopping, ultra-social Chad and bring the girl along for the ride so she can Snapchat your life to her fans.

[Premium]

I'm going to add to this thread some items to consider

1) 80% of marriages in the world are planned...based on business and grow to love each other through commitment

2) the other 20% is western...and in a nutshell it means love first then business ( I actually use to tell girls I loved them 2 hours after meeting them...they believed it...lmao..love at first sight!!! they gobbled it up such was their beauty in their heads that it was possible to them)

3) number 2 (above) historically fails (50% divorce rate) because true lasting love (sweetheart in high school and a inexperienced virgin) is 5% (till death do us part)...meaning 95% of every marriage/common law...was done for ..loneliness...settled for crap...are dead marriages for the sake of kids...and 50 percent of course end at some point (kids grown) in divorce

This is nothing new and has been ramping up since the late 60's for our western culture until today where parents have proved ...marriage sucks totally to another generation of kids.

Solution for women ...putting marriage off....mixed race marriage....go lesbian....get a puppy.....travel for a exotic man/girl..24/7 face book...become crazy and squirrely (then she's 30 and men don't care..maybe sooner)

Solution for males who don't realize that women have never EVER known "who they are" or "what they want"..is to follow the media message (mostly lesbian musicians .and TV)..(as noted above..Sex and the City) but all a guy wants is sex with marriage being the key to regular sex (nope never will be even in 1950's) SO what do millennial guys do...when women don't know anything about anything... the guys do what the music video's broadcast...get tattoo's.. piercings... become more girl like and sensitive..hug whales...hate manliness because men are violent....avoid mustaches... shave your legs actually all body hair anything male related must go....LMAO

Dr Phil would say....so how's that working for you?

The solution for us older guys is getting in time machines (Boeing 747's) and traveling to other countries to experience different cultures. Are we sorry we are leaving ka-zillions of cat ladies behind with zero social skills...nope

Some of us guys waited a long time to be able to leave....just like the guys today will have too

Quoting GRAFT ....If you really want an LTR, the solution is to abandon traditional values, become a fun-loving, bar-hopping, ultra-social Chad and bring the girl along for the ride so she can Snapchat your life to her fans.

Says it all

[underboss]

Women at any given time have 100+ options at their disposal now, provided they're at least in decent shape & considered "pretty". They can hop on tinder, post a picture in sunglasses if they want, slightly blurred, most men on there will swipe right. Part of this is also a ratio problem, there are far more men in the 20-45 age bracket than women in the US. This rarely gets discussed.

If anything the pretty/cute chicks have more orbiters since guys will think they have a better shot with them.

Even the average to below average woman receives a barrage of attention from men points above her via text/snapchat/kik/whatsapp/facebook messages, etc. The competition for a plain Jane is at an all-time high.

It's just where we are in society at the moment. I've also seen as exponential rise in the amount of women looking for "roses". This probably merits its own topic.

[Skank_Hunt]

• Transfer of wealth from male taxpayers to women without anything in exchange from the woman (i.e. previously it would have been marry the man, be a good wife and mother etc., now they don't need to give anything)
• 3rd wave militant feminism
• Promotion of carousel riding, SITC, YOLO lifestyles over being good wives and mothers
• Internet and all that comes with it - social media, dating apps, creating a heavily skewed SMP in women's favor which literally means your average 4 female will have more attention at rest than a male 9, delusions of beauty are supported by external references and you get the "49ers phenomenon"
• It appears to get worse over time - whether there is anything to stop and even reverse the decline is uncertain but I'm not hopeful, Trump certainly can't do much about it
• Any women of quality in the west who want to commit in their prime are either unicorns or they are not worth committing to in the first place, which as we all know means... get your passport ready