Its getting to the point of instead of starting threads, we should just PM WIA then post the answers on RVF... Makes me feel like a bitch with no game and an existential cris
Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
Quote: (11-25-2016 03:58 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:
Its getting to the point of instead of starting threads, we should just PM WIA then post the answers on RVF... Makes me feel like a bitch with no game and an existential cris
Quote: (11-25-2016 06:43 AM)XXL Wrote:
You don't see WIA here anymore cause there is too much fucking politics even in game section. It's annoying and off putting. Congratulations, that's how you get rid of competent members.
It feels like 'we're on some other shit' simply because we talk actual game here, not some pseudo manosphere imitation of it. We share practical stuff, sometimes very technical, that you can use right away to raise your chances. That's why you see the difference. We don't talk current state of game or women or whatever. It's not our thing. Threads get thrashed with that shit regularly. And half the time the final conclusion is to "next her". It's a waste of time.
It's annoying to me as well but I don't care. I talk PURE GAME here and nothing else. I just post what I know and ignore irrelevant stuff.
Quote: (11-25-2016 08:47 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:
Dude you're really over thinking this. If you're worried about some nice guy swooping your girl, just add a little bit more comfort into your game.
Make her dinner, bang her and let her stay over at your place, take her on a small overnight trip somewhere, go on a nice date, talk about sappy feelings, or just listen to her talk.
You can't be all adventure all of the time and expect her to stay around.
Quote: (11-26-2016 10:08 AM)Easy_C Wrote:
It has to be said.....it should be the safe guy asking the question Andy not you.
In fact if you are asking the question you probably aren't as much of the bad boy as you think. A more accurately "bad boy" mentality is abundance: there's only so many seats at the concert and if she isn't willing to pay her dues then somebody else will be more than happy to pay for a front row seat.
Quote: (11-26-2016 04:26 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:
I feel there's a misunderstanding between guys like XXL and WIA, and probably other guys who think like them, and more "means to an end" type gamers.
The latter is all about nexting, and simple rules of thumb that you don't have to worry about in detail(like never apologise, never buy drinks, don't be beta, don't white knight etc). It's in a similar vein of self improvement of dieting and lifting weights, and dressing better, many guys don't actually like doing that all that much but they realise it's necessary to be a well rounded person. When they see a post like this in the OP they assume he's "overthinking" it because of oneitis or what have you.
The former actually likes game/pickup because it's a beautiful and amazing thing in itself. In a sense, they can even like game more than they like fucking the girls they are with. This can be taken to an extreme with autistic guys like RSD and perhaps Mystery, I believe XXL and WIA are "cooler" than them though. There's so much to learn in game that can only be realised if you break things down in detail like this and obsess about what may seem like irrelevant details.
Quote: (11-26-2016 04:26 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:
In this case, it's not that XXL wants any particular girl with a beta boyfriend. It's that he recognises that it's a common situation that happens and he wants to discuss what people do in it. In fact, it may not even be the situation that's important. It's the thought process about how you would game in situations like those described. Once you have the thought process, then it's easier to extrapolate it into other situations. But it's very helpful to break things down.
Quote: (05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
Quote:WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
Or
Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:18 PM)Travesty Wrote:
The easier route is to get her to mention this guy indirectly probably by talking about the social circle you all run in. You can probably guess what traits she may not like about him. Ask her some open ended questions that may not put him in bad light on paper, as she says the words about him or his actions though it will affect him in a bad light. If you can get her to laugh at him and start seeing him as a chump in a lighthearted way all the better.
As a second jab, may be a little bit more gentlemanly in opening the car door, door to the bar, or take a little more time setting up your place when she comes over (nice take out food set up, champagne etc.). Stepping up the investment a small ratchet. Still gotta keep that edge though that keeps her guessing.
Quote: (05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
Quote:WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
Or
Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:06 PM)crdr Wrote:
Do you have any momentum with her? If so, it's really about out seducing the other guy. Being more exciting, interesting, better stories, and more importantly being able to put it down in bed ie) Elevate Status. Without telegraphing it. Attracting her by getting her attention, but not actively pursuing has worked for me.
My style is the "Dandy"
The safe bet bf is just that the safe bet. Competing head to head with a "beta" is stupid because he's gonna win most of the time.
In short, you can't beat a beta at his own game. Nor would I want to win his game.*
I wouldn't just Next her (if you have momentum), but developing oneitis is not good either. Keeping tabs has worked for me. The random bump in has worked for me. I've had some wins and some (self-inflicted) losses . But I have taken girls away from Mr. Safe Bet by the "my experiences" I gave above... It's all about momentum and rapport with me.
I don't believe in silver bullet advice. But most girls get bored of the safe bet hence the extremely High divorce rate.
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:18 PM)Travesty Wrote:
Throw out bait about your history, personality, beliefs... whatever that you think based on her personality she would love to see changed about you.
Once you find out what it is she most wants to change about you (most likely having the personality trait of being too uncaring, selfish, or dickish - though sometimes other bigger issues like heavy drug use, breaking the law, being unemployed, being a starving artist, religion, politics, family or whatever else may be it), start a small fight with her about it. Make up though afterwards. Leave it in a place where it is still a testy subject though.
You want to embroil her in a long simmering fight (2-3 months) where there is a two step forward one step back approach to her thinking she is fighting hard to change that one thing about you. In this period you need to start a few more fights that escalate toward a redline because you act like she went too far by being unrelenting about changing, then calm down.
By end of month three you need to do a memorable gesture that shows her she just started genuinely to pierce the first layer of iron around your player core.
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:18 PM)Travesty Wrote:
The easier route is to get her to mention this guy indirectly probably by talking about the social circle you all run in. You can probably guess what traits she may not like about him. Ask her some open ended questions that may not put him in bad light on paper, as she says the words about him or his actions though it will affect him in a bad light. If you can get her to laugh at him and start seeing him as a chump in a lighthearted way all the better.
Lame, unimaginative, predictable. Those are the slogan you want attached to this guy when he gets mentioned. You may mentioned him only if it is a quick one liner that is guaranteed to make her laugh at him. On the other side be expressing a personality that is open, willing to explore, dreaming... get her out of her lame safe space.
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:53 PM)Travesty Wrote:
I think WIA's opinion of "c'mon you know we're gonna fuck" - I mean in my game world if I can say that to a girl that other guy is already knocked out before that point. I think I would have the feeling to physically escalate before I would ever think to say something like that. To me that is just an ultra-aggressive flirt which I admire, I feel though the timing and way it was said would have to be so good for it to push things along before she was actually ready to be physical. This has expanded my mind though on how I need to focus more on mind fucking a girl first before looking for window cracks to get physical.
Quote: (11-27-2016 09:53 PM)Travesty Wrote:
It's funny because I perceive WIA's "C'mon" line is like a Tomahawk missle. Then over qualify him and under qualify(secret qualify you) is playing ultimate don't give a fuck - leave the fort unmanned - defense. His does have more push pull. I give him that. Mine I feel like is a somewhat aggressive offense overall.
Quote: (11-28-2016 02:14 PM)XXL Wrote:
One time I went out with chicks from work I told one [told, not asked or suggested] that we're going to an afterparty to her place [she lives with he bf] with two bottles of vodka to have a good foreplay before we have perfectly friendly orgy, just like good friends should have, which is gonna be one big drunk fuck fest to the point that the next day we won't have a clue what happened that night. They all exploded with laughter and omg excitement. It was crass but again, very well timed. And btw, there was no touching going on. Nothing happened that night of course but.. I conveyed certain image of myself and I placed an idea in their head. I got 4 girls out of this group. I hung out with them separately on different occasions, very casually and then we just banged as if it was completely natural consequence of us meeting up.
Verbal game is the shit. Escalation is overrated, it's just to pull the final trigger.
Quote: (11-26-2016 04:14 PM)XXL Wrote:
Quote: (11-26-2016 10:08 AM)Easy_C Wrote:
It has to be said.....it should be the safe guy asking the question Andy not you.
In fact if you are asking the question you probably aren't as much of the bad boy as you think. A more accurately "bad boy" mentality is abundance: there's only so many seats at the concert and if she isn't willing to pay her dues then somebody else will be more than happy to pay for a front row seat.
First of all, no, Andy the nice, would not ask such question cause he doesn't even know he can be better at getting girls. It's beyond his reality.
Second of all, asking a question about one or few other girls doesn't change my mentality or put me off track. If anything, I'm way more self aware and meticulous motherfucker than those idiotic "bad boys" you're comparing me to who act up and have no fucking idea what they do.
Your last last sentence only tells me that it's your mentality that holds you back as it implies that any girl who doesn't easily complies with you is lost cause so you bail on her thinking you're nexting her while in fact it's her nexting you.
The whole “I’m gonna give her one chance and if she doesn’t jump on my cock, fuck it I’ll go get more girls” thing is just an ego-protecting way of saying “I don’t know how to turn this around, so I’m going to find an easier (and probably less attractive) girl”. You cannot next a girl you haven't slept with.
Shots fired. Now what?
Quote: (05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
Quote:WestIndianArchie Wrote:
Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
Or
Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems