[HOD]

(10-22-2016 01:32 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

Could you elaborate what it means that online game isn't game. What's the difference if I meet the girl on tinder, in a club or in Starbucks for the first time?

Thats like counting on you best friend to set you up with girls constantly, or meeting girls in high school or middle school when you were a kid.

[semibaron]

Preparation: Leave your smartphone at home.

Step 1: Start to speak to strangers. Doesn't matter who or where. If you are sitting in the metro next to grandpa, go and talk to him.

Step 2: Try not to bore grandpa. More precise, keep a good conversation without trying too hard. Don't say 'amazing' after every second sentence.

Step 3: Repeat with women. Start touching early. Invite for coffee / ask for phone number.

You will fail a lot, don't worry about it.

Country recommendations: Everywhere outside the western world, where people are used to meaningful conversation. Again, women aren't that important. From my experience, people want good conversation with strangers especially in Japan and Mexico.

[chicane]

Some of the people here are real assholes. Stop it.

Here's what I think. There are a number of places in the world where being a straight white male is considered a truly horrible thing and such a person will be subjected to at least a non-stop low level of abuse. Dealing with it takes energy. Developing a thick skin takes time and often requires a respite from the abuse.

What are some of the implications? Being socially awkward can land you in jail in Nottinghamshire. Being unattractive to a woman can cost you your job. I've lost a hobby I enjoyed very much because of group psychodrama of a bunch of cunts. At the very least, really obnoxious rejections take a toll which makes subsequent approaches more difficult. Finding a place where the women are nice enough and polite enough to just say "No thank you" is of huge benefit to someone just starting out. Personally, I would try various parts of Eastern Europe outside of the really big cities.

Good luck!

[Satoshi]

(10-23-2016 10:12 AM)HOD Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 01:32 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

Could you elaborate what it means that online game isn't game. What's the difference if I meet the girl on tinder, in a club or in Starbucks for the first time?

Thats like counting on you best friend to set you up with girls constantly, or meeting girls in high school or middle school when you were a kid.

If the definition of game is the ability to bed girls, then I don't see how one can say that pulling those girls from online is not game, because you are actually bedding girls. Now if one gets 100% of his games from online his game is probably not very diverse, but there is no reason to go give him shit for that. Remember that some guys are even struggling to meet girls online.

Just like chicane said, there is no reason to a dick to someone asking for advice. OP is clearly trying to improve himself. He might not add any data to the forum, but at least his post is honest and most important he isn't spreading misinformation.

[rudebwoy]

Linux reply closed down this thread.

Learn in your backyard first, then travel because you want to see a new place and experience a new culture.

Banging poor girls in impoverished places isn't game.

[Pornopung]

(10-22-2016 02:05 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

There is no such thing as "true value", it all depends on the market. In your home country you're just some guy, in SEA, you're the White God who can potentially rescue her from the shithole she was born in. At the very least, being seen with you elevates her status in the eyes of her peers.

It's great you got laid, and if pure sexual experience and notch count is what you're looking for, then by all means head on over. But don't tell me you're developing serious game in the process, because you don't need any to begin with in that environment.

Now if you came back and your experiences enriched your personality to the point where models in your home country came begging to suck your dick, then maybe you'd have a case...

Are you butthurt because you're a short, brown guy? What you are saying echoes what feminists say to shame guys who like women of exotic flavours. Sure, the girl who had a MSc at the best uni in BKK, and who's father owned a chain of hotels, wanted to be rescued from that shithole.

I don't care why the girls wanted to sleep with me, the point was that banging a lot of girls helps a lot to make you good at banging girls, and going somewhere you have higher value will give you that experience faster. Now, if your weakness lies in other areas, such as cold approaching, you can practice that somewhere else.

[Pornopung]

(10-22-2016 11:45 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Wha? If you mean bar game, then yes, the kind of girl who goes home with you because you're both drunk and it's dark and getting late, has probably done that with other guys before and is going almost entirely off of whatever little she managed to see of you, and her own intoxication. There's not much game involved in picking up drunk bar sluts. They're seldom even remotely attractive - 3 am is their only time to shine, really.

If your idea of night game is to bring home some drunk slutty 4 who would bang anything with a penis, that's fine by me. However, yours truly and many other members on this forum have pulled a lot of quality pussy from bars and clubs in our home countries and around the world, and had a good time in the process. I've met a lot of members here to witness it, and I can tell you they certainly had game.

[Cyclone]

To answer the topic question, Waikiki, Hawaii.
Tons of hot fresh girls rolling through every day that you'll never have to see again a week later, and 90% speak English.
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[Buluwa]

(10-23-2016 04:05 PM)Pornopung Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 02:05 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

There is no such thing as "true value", it all depends on the market. In your home country you're just some guy, in SEA, you're the White God who can potentially rescue her from the shithole she was born in. At the very least, being seen with you elevates her status in the eyes of her peers.

It's great you got laid, and if pure sexual experience and notch count is what you're looking for, then by all means head on over. But don't tell me you're developing serious game in the process, because you don't need any to begin with in that environment.

Now if you came back and your experiences enriched your personality to the point where models in your home country came begging to suck your dick, then maybe you'd have a case...

Are you butthurt because you're a short, brown guy? What you are saying echoes what feminists say to shame guys who like women of exotic flavours. Sure, the girl who had a MSc at the best uni in BKK, and who's father owned a chain of hotels, wanted to be rescued from that shithole.

I don't care why the girls wanted to sleep with me, the point was that banging a lot of girls helps a lot to make you good at banging girls, and going somewhere you have higher value will give you that experience faster. Now, if your weakness lies in other areas, such as cold approaching, you can practice that somewhere else.

I totally agree. And we should consider ourselves lucky that just because we are born in the rich west, we automatically have much of the world giving us higher status. We can capitalize on this.
Pussy is pussy. American bitches are not any better than the rest of the world, they just make themselves look that way with how hard they make themselves. So people that go abroad should be happy the bitch shields are down. People should enjoy getting it outside the US. It should not matter how hard you work for it. As long as you enjoy it. Getting sex should not be more complicated than necessary, especially when there are places where it is easy.

I dont understand why some people express that they want a challenge. Challenge may be nice to some, but if you want to get laid often and challenges rob you of some chances, what good does that do?

[Shimmy]

You don't learn game in places like the Philippines. If it's easy to fuck girls you will not learn anything, it will make you worse at game. Go to Australia to learn game. If you can get laid there you will be able to get laid anywhere.

[Fortis]

Linux and Rudebwoy, not to be a nitpicker, but how is banging chicks off the internet not game? That is a bold claim. Furthermore, don't you both run a lot of game abroad?

[Space Cowboy]

I'd say that, at least in Asia, it does take some semblance of game to bang a chick you met online simply because it takes quite a while to get an Asian chick's deflector shields down, often more than one date.

[Putin Closes]

For quality girls in sea and East Asia you will need intermediate game. We are talking about the 6/7 local standards.

Usually means pale or mixed skin, thin, and not your general gold diggers found in Filipinocupid.

Banging 3/4s will get you nowhere as even the local guys see them as pump and dump. Coupled with higher status due to perceived wealth I'd recommend going the fc route only if you have no experience having sex with girls who are not fat or unfit.

So if you're some Virgin or low lay count I could see sea would be good practice to learn the motions.

[HOD]

(10-23-2016 01:49 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 10:12 AM)HOD Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 01:32 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  

Could you elaborate what it means that online game isn't game. What's the difference if I meet the girl on tinder, in a club or in Starbucks for the first time?

Thats like counting on you best friend to set you up with girls constantly, or meeting girls in high school or middle school when you were a kid.

If the definition of game is the ability to bed girls, then I don't see how one can say that pulling those girls from online is not game, because you are actually bedding girls. Now if one gets 100% of his games from online his game is probably not very diverse, but there is no reason to go give him shit for that. Remember that some guys are even struggling to meet girls online.

Just like chicane said, there is no reason to a dick to someone asking for advice. OP is clearly trying to improve himself. He might not add any data to the forum, but at least his post is honest and most important he isn't spreading misinformation.

Dude, I didn't mean to be a dick,

I just answer the question you ask.

That was the truth. That's how a lot of guys feel about the topic.

A lot of dudes on the forum view online guy as being lazy and not being more of a "innovative Casanova"

[Satoshi]

(10-24-2016 11:37 AM)HOD Wrote:  

Dude, I didn't mean to be a dick,

I just answer the question you ask.

That was the truth. That's how a lot of guys feel about the topic.

A lot of dudes on the forum view online guy as being lazy and not being more of a "innovative Casanova"

My second paragraph wasn't a direct respons to you but rather to previous post in this topic. And I see what you are saying, but online game has it's advantages too, and to label it as 'not game' is not fair when guys actually get laid doing it. 'Counting on you best friend to set you up with girls constantly' sound like social circle game to me, and I don't see anything wrong with that either.

[headovertail]

(10-23-2016 09:54 AM)churros Wrote:  

If you're crushed in the western world, you deserve to be ruled out of the gene pool. The only justification for sex tourism is if you are an extreme hard case newb. Even then, better to sort your life out, not seek easy tinder notches.

This thread is making me cringe. OP, go to newbie forum and pay your dues like everyone else.

Get off your high horse.

[chicane]

(10-24-2016 06:36 PM)headovertail Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 09:54 AM)churros Wrote:  

If you're crushed in the western world, you deserve to be ruled out of the gene pool. The only justification for sex tourism is if you are an extreme hard case newb. Even then, better to sort your life out, not seek easy tinder notches.

This thread is making me cringe. OP, go to newbie forum and pay your dues like everyone else.

Get off your high horse.

Right, sure, uh-huh. And the best way to deadlift 500lbs is to get a 500lb weight and spend all your time trying to lift it. You'll develop the ability in no time.

[Fortis]

I love you guys harping on and on about getting laid back home. I was getting laid back home and I now live in China for better weather, better career opportunities and hotter chicks with the same amount of effort. I'm not sure where dudes are getting the idea that everyone living abroad is living in a pussy paradise that requires minimal effort. At least 20 guys on this forum who are in and around Asia could attest to the fact that I put in a decent amount of work to pull girls in China. This isn't chipotle. You can't just stroll in and bang Chinese 7+ without some sort of game. Furthermore, what's up with all the travel hate? There is a travel section for a reason. You think Roosh was flying to Russia and Colombia strictly to get "deeper" into the culture? Give me a break. You guys can stay in NJ and bang those chicks and I'll hang out in Asia and bang Asian girls. You'll get no hate from me for doing your thing back home, so I don't get why you guys are hating on those of us who live abroad and do our thing out here. Bottom line: getting laid in asia is easier than back home, but getting laid in East Asia is not a picnic. Any of you guys saying otherwise should show up in china and show me how it's done.

[Il Bersagliere]

We know where the 'easy' places are, but what if you have intermediate game? Which places would you recommend?

[Fortis]

China is moderately difficult by my estimation and I would not suggest it as someone's first destination in Asia. I'd probably suggest an easier spot. China is a "love it or hate it" sort of place. Of course, I am not white so My views on Asia, in general, are a bit atypical as are my experiences. That said, if you can show up here and do well from the start then you have solid game. By doing well I don't mean just stacking numbers of 5s and 6s, I mean banging 7+ girls with regularity.

[Il Bersagliere]

(10-24-2016 08:47 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

China is moderately difficult by my estimation and I would not suggest it as someone's first destination in Asia. I'd probably suggest an easier spot. China is a "love it or hate it" sort of place. Of course, I am not white so My views on Asia, in general, are a bit atypical as are my experiences. That said, if you can show up here and do well from the start then you have solid game. By doing well I don't mean just stacking numbers of 5s and 6s, I mean banging 7+ girls with regularity.

That's the vibe I get as well, despite Chinese girls being one of my better demographics in the US. Not too easy, but not hard. Definitely easier than white girls (at least for me).

I think it's prudent for guys to start listing the perceived difficulty of places they game in. This would help guys who would love to build and develop their game skills.

[Fortis]

I agree. I think this thread (and the OP) would be better served by guys talking about places they have been and how they stack up.

[Space Cowboy]

(10-24-2016 08:09 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I love you guys harping on and on about getting laid back home. I was getting laid back home and I now live in China for better weather, better career opportunities and hotter chicks with the same amount of effort. I'm not sure where dudes are getting the idea that everyone living abroad is living in a pussy paradise that requires minimal effort. At least 20 guys on this forum who are in and around Asia could attest to the fact that I put in a decent amount of work to pull girls in China. This isn't chipotle. You can't just stroll in and bang Chinese 7+ without some sort of game. Furthermore, what's up with all the travel hate? There is a travel section for a reason. You think Roosh was flying to Russia and Colombia strictly to get "deeper" into the culture? Give me a break. You guys can stay in NJ and bang those chicks and I'll hang out in Asia and bang Asian girls. You'll get no hate from me for doing your thing back home, so I don't get why you guys are hating on those of us who live abroad and do our thing out here. Bottom line: getting laid in asia is easier than back home, but getting laid in East Asia is not a picnic. Any of you guys saying otherwise should show up in china and show me how it's done.

Good post. I learned my game in Spain, which was honestly much more difficult than trying to get laid in the US. I didn't come to China for easy pussy, I cam here for personal and career reasons. The real problem here isn't guys who want to travel to practice their game, it's people who think the only reason you'd leave your country is for pussy.

Back to the original complaint, however-- the hijacking of this thread seems antithetical to this community. Do you think Roosh was in Peru or Colombia trying to woo independent, upper-class girls?

[Merenguero]

(10-24-2016 09:04 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I agree. I think this thread (and the OP) would be better served by guys talking about places they have been and how they stack up.

I'm hoping that scotian's smackdown of O.P. will cause him to do some serious traveling, then report back.

[churros]

Fortis, this dude is seeking easier options to avoid the hard work of learning at home. This has nothing to do with travel hate or macking on girls abroad. Tinderizing the local sluts from the safety of your hotel room, while good times, is not solving the long-term problem.