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Norway's insane Child Welfare Services (Barnevernet)
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Norway's insane Child Welfare Services (Barnevernet)

Quote: (10-14-2016 08:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (10-14-2016 06:52 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

There's two sides of the coin with regard to removing kids from religious fanatics. 20 odd years or so ago I lived with a host family in the southern US that was hard-core first baptist.

Today all of their kids are badly messed up. Daughter in the family shacked up with a black guy deadbeat and bore him two kids to spite her parents. Middle son is an institutionalized petty criminal that keeps going in and out of the joint. Oldest son is a bona fide trailer park meth fiend. Youngest son turned out okayish but is a mirror image of his parents and will likely put his own family through the same religious upbringing and repeat history. I'm convinced that had social services stepped in at any point when they were kids things would have been different, but it's not like anyone comes out on top in these situations. You're either fucked up or less fucked up.

I'm surprised though that RvF is specifically singling out Barnevernet. The families that have been specifically targeted are immigrant families (do you think it would have been the same uproar in MSM had it been natives). Basically families that are very culturally different to what has been considered healthy for the well being according to Norwegian values. I would have thought that was something RvF would get behind.

Where is the trial to decide if the state should keep the children? We aren't seeing due process, why would we support this tyranny?

This is exactly what I was thinking when I watched the videos and questioned whether if there was due process involved or not in a country like Norway.

After looking into this to read a little bit about the Norwegian Child Welfare Services, there is an anti-Barnevernet Facebook page as well as protests back in February of this year. Looks like a lot of families were targeted unfairly by Barnevernet.
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Norway's insane Child Welfare Services (Barnevernet)

Quote: (10-14-2016 07:18 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

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It may seem harsh but I'm utterly sick of the "think of the children" tripe that gets trotted out when government over-reach is on offer.


You're in luck then since I never said anything like that.

Speaking of being harsh, if you think there's no nuance in this topic then you managed to make yourself a prime example of the root cause to what poisons these families. That's the same kind of white/black this-is-my-belief-and-everything-else-is-communism that I was talking about in the first place.

Got kids, Viscious?

It really is black and white. Where we are now is the result of letting the grey get darker and darker. For example "Shall not be infringed" went to "no full auto without paperwork" went to "not accepting any more applications."

"Shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech" became "no shouting fire in a crowded cinema" became "you will bake the fucking cake or go to jail".

So no, I'm not interested in "limited powers to snatch children" under "special circumstances" because it's always the child snatchers deciding what "limited" means and those "special circumstances" inevitably end up becoming "when people question things, like our right to snatch their children."

The evil is here, and now. We don't get to plead ignorance or get to pretend that we could have frozen government at some sort of ideal point in time. This is the way it went because this is the way it always goes, so you might as well oppose it every step of the way.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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