[Mushroom]

(10-12-2016 12:02 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

When you want to bury a body dig a hole and put it vertical in. Don't lay the body in the horizontal. Because the surface is more easy to spot (hole, smell etc). You put also the head first that the organs move down. Less smell for dogs, hole is more small. Also its more easy for the vermin to eat the body. Better then deal with a crazy Anglo girl and face trial for murder. Just let her vanish.

Fuck off with posts like that. The next time some asshat that was a "manosphere" reader hurts anyone, the media will latch on to statements like yours and try to claim that's how we all think. Be more responsible, it doesn't matter if it was a joke or not -- I don't want to fucking end up on a no-fly list one day just because I post on this forum.

[nomadbrah]

(10-12-2016 01:12 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 12:02 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

When you want to bury a body dig a hole and put it vertical in. Don't lay the body in the horizontal. Because the surface is more easy to spot (hole, smell etc). You put also the head first that the organs move down. Less smell for dogs, hole is more small. Also its more easy for the vermin to eat the body. Better then deal with a crazy Anglo girl and face trial for murder. Just let her vanish.

Did you see that on Breaking Bad or do you know this from experience?

I know who I'm calling to help hide the body.

[XPQ22]

(10-12-2016 05:41 AM)Conscious Pirate Wrote:  

Come the fuck on here, Brick. Given the circumstances, I would have done exactly the same thing in the same situation.

No, the most logical thing to do is quietly say "OK, I've had enough. We're going now." Then walk out the door and call her a cab. And stow those recordings in a safe spot.

As I'm pretty sure this guy was wishing he had done right about now.

I hate to say it, but in this day and age in Western countries if a drunk girl flips out on you in your own place, your best option is to just have all your most important (incriminating?) personal/private effects in an easy to get to location, grab them and your laptop, and head out the door. Go ahead, trash the place iif that gets you off. Smash that telescope real good. That's what I have renters/homeowner's insurance for

Yeah, it sucks, but I'd much rather deal with insurance companies and have her face some kind of (likely minor) criminal charges, than me be charged with aggravated assault/attempted murder for trying to physically throw a woman out.

I try not to bring girls back to my place who I don't know well if I can avoid it in general for all sorts of reasons. You don't have to worry about her staying the night if you don't want her to. I don't have a lot of kitchen equipment here, anyway.

[Parzival]

(10-12-2016 01:29 PM)Mushroom Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 12:02 PM)Parzival Wrote:  

When you want to bury a body dig a hole and put it vertical in. Don't lay the body in the horizontal. Because the surface is more easy to spot (hole, smell etc). You put also the head first that the organs move down. Less smell for dogs, hole is more small. Also its more easy for the vermin to eat the body. Better then deal with a crazy Anglo girl and face trial for murder. Just let her vanish.

Fuck off with posts like that. The next time some asshat that was a "manosphere" reader hurts anyone, the media will latch on to statements like yours and try to claim that's how we all think. Be more responsible, it doesn't matter if it was a joke or not -- I don't want to fucking end up on a no-fly list one day just because I post on this forum.

Roosh did set up an innocent meeting of like minded men, they made it a rape meeting. Hunt him down world wide. Set him on kill list. Almost no media did bother with the facts. It doesn't matter what we write here, it doesn't matter if you think you are good. Just your pure existence is reason for them to hate you. Do you believe when we talk all nice, calm and with reason (we already do here so) they will like us? This is a cultural war pushed on us and not a debate who's arguments are more logical because they are not logical and reasonable at all.

PS:
If you ever have to let a body vanish, you will remember me grateful!

[Mushroom]

(10-12-2016 01:56 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I hate to say it, but in this day and age in Western countries if a drunk girl flips out on you in your own place, your best option is to just have all your most important (incriminating?) personal/private effects in an easy to get to location, grab them and your laptop, and head out the door. Go ahead, trash the place iif that gets you off. Smash that telescope real good. That's what I have renters/homeowner's insurance for

Yeah, it sucks, but I'd much rather deal with insurance companies and have her face some kind of (likely minor) criminal charges, than me be charged with aggravated assault/attempted murder for trying to physically throw a woman out.

I try not to bring girls back to my place if I can avoid it in general for all sorts of reasons. You don't have to worry about her staying the night if you don't want her to. I don't have a lot of kitchen equipment here, anyway.

That's my exact thoughts. I'm overly precautious, I have insurance, security cameras and a very well hidden fireproof safe that's mounted and can't be towed away. Before I go out to game, or if I'm expecting a girl to come over, I put my laptop and other valuables in the safe.

So if a bitch starts acting crazy, and refuses to leave, I'm just walking right out the door and calling the police. She can trash the place as much as she wants, I'll deal with insurance over it. I'm not about to get falsely accused of anything.

I don't trust any woman in my place, even if she's sleeping in bed and I get up to take a shower, I take my wallet and phone into the bathroom and lock the door.

My crazy as fuck BPD ex-LTR and all her false rape accusations towards me (non-reported, thankfully) inspired me to take these precautions. I'm not about to lose the business and savings I've spent nearly a decade building over some broad.

[GlobalMan]

(10-12-2016 07:01 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(10-12-2016 01:21 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Just an unfortunate combo of a crazy girl and apparently socially retarded dude not knowing how to deal with it, and some bad decisions.

just how many "socially retarded dudes" are able to achieve a notch count of 150 + in 2 years? Unless club game is that idiot-proof.

Banging a healthy amount of girls has little to do with wether a guy has the ability to react to situations well. OP and others have explained the background of this guy, you can look into it yourself.

If a situation has now become serious- and evidently Tostee believed it was since he said "are you trying to kill me?" - and a girl wants to leave do you think it's normal to say "I would, but you've been a bad girl" ? It's an odd, childlike reaction, divorced from the circumstances. Listen to the audio- it certainly doesn't help him.

(10-12-2016 07:01 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not sure if the 'socially awkward' tag still applies, though. I can't help but think there's some sort of ingrained prejudice against the mentally infirm on RVF — with terms like "sperg" and "assburgers retard" bandied around as insults

Pointing these things out isn't insulting or mocking the guy, or evidence of some RVF wide hatred of the mentally ill- it is providing an explanation.

It's always terrible when then media seizes on the trial of a young man, I have often contributed to defending these guys here, when many even here are throwing them to the wolves. In this case, I simply don't see the need to make a martyr out of this particular guy.

As I said, her trying to climb off the balcony and falling doesn't warrant a murder charge obviously, but his words on the audio and decision to prevent her from leaving, and to put her on the balcony instead, opened himself up to some possible legal consequences unfortunately.

It's just a crappy situation all around.

[AWright]

I got this from the misc, imagine if the genders were reversed.


"A man fell to his death last night after a woman locked him on the balcony to protect herself from his repeated, violent & intoxicated attacks"

"I was in fear of him, and I managed to push him outside. I couldn't believe it when he disappeared over the edge."

"Police say the man attempted to lower himself to the balcony below, but slipped and fell."

"No charges have been laid against the woman. A report is being prepared for the coroner."

[fugly1000]

Yeah I like the idea of just leaving. Anyways to the people staying they'd make her leave, what if you can't make her leave? Also, if you grab her and throw her out, pretty sure she'll tell the cops that you assaulted her. yeah and they'll believe her, because sluts never lie. After reading this, I wonder if roles were reversed. The women would probably win award for protecting herself or better yet; this guy would be blamed for jumping off the balcony and he would be mocked. But since it's woman, the world must stop. Only on planet earth.

[Atlanta Man]

(10-12-2016 02:48 PM)fugly1000 Wrote:  

Yeah I like the idea of just leaving. Anyways to the people staying they'd make her leave, what if you can't make her leave? Also, if you grab her and throw her out, pretty sure she'll tell the cops that you assaulted her. yeah and they'll believe her, because sluts never lie. After reading this, I wonder if roles were reversed. The women would probably win award for protecting herself or better yet; this guy would be blamed for jumping off the balcony and he would be mocked. But since it's woman, the world must stop. Only on planet earth.

The reason she was on the balcony was because he could not get her out the front door. He probably got her on the balcony, locked the door and looked at her acting crazy through the glass. In a pissed off mood himself he left for food figuring she would pass out or calm down by the time he returned-but he knew for sure he was done trying to deal with this crazy chick.He did not understand how monumentally wasted, stupid and unreasonable she was until he came back to find her splattered on the street.

She was already threatening to call the cops and lie on him about assault that is why he said "there is not a mark on you, you are the one attacking me"-So you know for sure if he really used his strength and roughly got her out, she would lie to the cops with no scruples what so ever. Plus he just had a run in with the cops during his high speed chase a few months prior, he was not trying to see them again if he could help it. Shitty situation to be in.

[debeguiled]

I really have trouble second guessing this poor bastard.

She was giving very high intensity push/pull crazy/normal.

He was actually being pretty conciliatory at times, considering her behavior.

I wouldn't be surprised if he just got her out on the balcony to get a break from the crazy for himself, and think his options through.

And he was supposed to anticipate that she would go over the edge?

This shit is on the level of suicide by cop.

She'd rather make him feel guilty and wrong than live.

[Killer Joe]

[GlobalMan]

(10-12-2016 03:25 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

The reason she was on the balcony was because he could not get her out the front door. He probably got her on the balcony, locked the door and looked at her acting crazy through the glass. In a pissed off mood himself he left for food figuring she would pass out or calm down by the time he returned

I know we are speculating either way, but lets go with that being what happened for moment- Even in this hypothetical version of events most favorable to him it still doesn't reflect reasonable decisions.

I'm dealing with a crazy girl, I get her on the balcony and get the door shut and locked. So far so good. Then ...leave her there and leave the building, with her locked out there, and not contact the police? Once that immediate threat was over, demonstrated by him leaving the apt, he's on very shaky ground having this girl locked up and confined without contacting the police. At that point it could be seen as him going beyond defending himself. It was reasonable for him to do so initially to collect his thoughts or to call the cops, but where it hurts him is leaving the building and planning to take care of it himself.

Not to repeat myself, but his statement of "I would (let you leave), but you've been a bad girl" should not be glossed over, and this followed by him locking her on the balcony and then leaving the apartment, just doesn't convey this idea of a cool headed dude simply trying to wait for her to calm down (which is in itself a bad idea and a problem as said above).

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She was already threatening to call the cops and lie on him about assault that is why he said "there is not a mark on you, you are the one attacking me"-So you know for sure if he really used his strength and roughly got her out, she would lie to the cops with no scruples what so ever.

Yes, and that is exactly why it would be terrible idea to confine this girl locked in your apartment and go out for a pizza. If she's willing to lie as you said, it sure is not helped by doing something- locking her on the balcony and leaving- that actually would guarantee you get in trouble with the law.

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Plus he just had a run in with the cops during his high speed chase a few months prior, he was not trying to see them again if he could help it.

Rather than explain his not contacting the police, all this justification does is highlight a history of poor judgement.

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I think guys are getting too caught up in this idea that "this could happen to anybody, nothing he could do about it" in this particular case. There are plenty of things that, if done differently, he would not be under quite as much suspicion.

-Don't jokingly say "I will throw you off the fucking balcony"

-Don't seriously say "I would (let you leave), but you've been a bad girl" (WTF?)

-Don't lock a bitch in your condo because she's a threat and then not call the police and instead go for pizza.

Had he said the stupid shit but called the cops immediately this wouldn't be near as bad- Or, had he not said the stupid shit and didn't call the cops that would be better as well. But, saying the stupid shit (you're not leaving) combined with the confining her and not contacting the cops, that is what is putting him in this shit storm.

It's easy to overlook the specifics and say this is simply something that "could happen to the best of us"- but in reality it's bad circumstances compounded by poor decisions, ones that I can't see most reasonable dudes making.

Yes, a crazy girl can happen to anyone. I've dealt with girls hitting me, stealing my money, pretending they have HIV after banging, drunken clusterfucks, you name it. I've thrown girls out a few times. Many men have dealt with this. And the vast majority are no worse for the wear from these incidents, because as long as you don't compound the problem with saying stupid shit or deciding to maintain your own private drunk tank on your balcony, you're very unlikely to be in this guys situation.

[XPQ22]

(10-12-2016 03:25 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

He did not understand how monumentally wasted, stupid and unreasonable she was until he came back to find her splattered on the street.

She was already threatening to call the cops and lie on him about assault that is why he said "there is not a mark on you, you are the one attacking me"-So you know for sure if he really used his strength and roughly got her out, she would lie to the cops with no scruples what so ever. Plus he just had a run in with the cops during his high speed chase a few months prior, he was not trying to see them again if he could help it. Shitty situation to be in.

Yep. Sadly, the only good advice for guys like myself and others still stuck in hostile environments is:

A) You're going to run into crazies from time to time, particularly when they're lit up

B) The only way to effectively deal with 'em when the crazy-radar starts going off is to eject as fast as possible, or begin documenting everything immediately, or hope you're known far and wide as a saint and upstanding pillar of the community. Preferably all three.

A couple weeks ago I was hanging out near one of my usual watering-holes, and a blonde girl approached me. She was very cute and friendly, but clearly quite drunk, high, or other wise lit up on something, off-balance and rambling on about the stupidest shit in that way really lit up people do. I can tell you I'm not standing there thinking "Wow, how am I going to number close this here HB8? What are my logistics like?" I'm thinking "OK, who here saw me with her that knows I might be a player? Can I get her friends to take her off my hands? Whew, there are security cameras out here. I'll just make sure they catch me walking in to the club away from her and not walking anywhere with her. I really do have to piss right now."

[Atlanta Man]

I am not arguing that GT showed equanimity and excellent judgement in the face of a crazy drunk chick, I am just expressing deep empathy for his situation. I have been out with a chick when she got drunk and shit went south in a hurry-this man has my sympathy because I do not believe he meant her ill will. Honestly I think the bitch started drinking and he was cool with it, but she could not handle her liquor-things quickly got out of hand and shitty decisions were made. I hope he gets off because I do not believe he deserves this.

[polymath]

Am I the only one here who thinks the part where she is squealing "no! no! no!" repeatedly, as well as his threat to throw her off the balcony and their earlier conversation about death, makes it seem like he really did throw her over the ledge?

[Savage]

That was also what I thought after listening to the recording. But I think it cuts off before she 'climbs' off and where you hear the scream. Plus the women in the apartment below said she saw the legs dangling down.

I guess the "no no no nooo" was just him carrying her out the balcony door and her freaking out thinking he was going to throw her.

[Peregrine]

(10-12-2016 09:02 PM)polymath Wrote:  

Am I the only one here who thinks the part where she is squealing "no! no! no!" repeatedly, as well as his threat to throw her off the balcony and their earlier conversation about death, makes it seem like he really did throw her over the ledge?

The Crown is not arguing he threw her. I bet there's hard evidence that he didn't throw her, e.g. he's shown leaving the building on a lobby security camera before she falls.

[AWright]

For the record he said he locked her out on the balcony because it was a lot closer then the hallway. He said the balcony was 2-3 m while the hallway was 9-10 m.

[AlphaRN]

(10-12-2016 10:25 PM)AWright Wrote:  

For the record he said he locked her out on the balcony because it was a lot closer then the hallway. He said the balcony was 2-3 km while the hallway was 9-10 km.

That is one hell of an apartment.

[AWright]

(10-12-2016 10:28 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

That is one hell of an apartment.

I'd say so. Here is the quote about that part and his own story about what happened from beginning to end.

"The struggle took place about 2-3 metres away from the rear glass doors that lead to my balcony. My front door was about 10m away, and has an automatic closer and lock which I would have had to flick then hold open while trying to force her out. This would have been much more difficult and wasn't really an option. Putting her outdoors would have meant I could separate her from me and keep an eye on her through the glass doors until she either calmed down or I called someone like security or police to take her away. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect what happened next."

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[Atlanta Man]

"The hunk charged with murdering a female tourist he met on Tinder suffered several gashes on his arm and leg during a booze-fueled fight inside his oceanfront apartment in Australia, according to new court testimony."
Source NY Post, they also had pictures-she fucked him up. I do not know how to post photos- the evidence supports his version of the story.

They need to let this man go home, the bitch was a violent psycho.

[Atlanta Man]

(10-12-2016 09:02 PM)polymath Wrote:  

Am I the only one here who thinks the part where she is squealing "no! no! no!" repeatedly, as well as his threat to throw her off the balcony and their earlier conversation about death, makes it seem like he really did throw her over the ledge?

Yes you are the only one who thinks that, even the police and the biased press don't think that.

[HenryHill]

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[Kona]

If my man Tostee lived in a castle doctrine state, instead of Australia, could he have just got out a shotgun and blown this young lady away?

Aloha!

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's just a woman, so a full faced blast with bear repellent should be more than enough to get the job done.