[Paracelsus]

(10-20-2016 05:12 AM)KeeperNine Wrote:  

What's the bet that the jury would have come to the same conclusion within hours (instead of four days) if it were comprised of all males.

Don't count on it. We have a pretty large white knight population down here, remember?

[The Catalyst]

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/32968317/fro...eek/#page1

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From loser to Lothario: How Gable Tostee went from having no friends to bedding four women in one week

In 2010 Gable Tostee was a self-described “hermit” with few friends or little confidence when it came to women.
VIDEO Gable Tostee spends his first night as free man. Source: 7news

By the time he met Warriena Wright on Tinder, he had transformed himself from loner to Lothario, gloating about sexual conquests on Internet forums.

Under the username G T, he took to a body-building forum to ask for advice on how to make friends in January 2010, according to The Courier Mail.

“I’m in a bit of a strange situation… About five years ago, some s*** went down (I won’t go into it) and I had to cut off contact with literally all my friends and basically disappear, many of them were involved,” he reportedly wrote.

Tostee explained he didn’t know how to make new friends and asked the forum for advice after finding it “difficult to make actual friends without knowing people already”.

“I eventually have to reveal the fact that I’m a hermit,” he reportedly wrote.

After bumping into an old school friend at a restaurant, the pair caught up again and went out on the town where they met two girls.

Tostee clicked with one girl, telling his online friends they had spent the night dancing, kissing and then exchanged numbers.
Gable Tostee outside Brisbane's Supreme Court. Photo: AAP

“Mine seemed pretty into me, wanted to meet again, hugged her goodbye outside and said I’d call her. They were on holidays and are leaving today,” he wrote.

“I called earlier but it was an answering machine so I texted her and haven’t had a reply. Should I call again, perhaps off a private number?”

One reader told him not to, explaining that she would’ve received the message and to wait for her to respond.

“Well I’ll never see her again in a few hours no matter what I do,” he wrote, seemingly desperate for her attention. “Last night I got the idea I’d be able to close the deal.”

Tostee’s inexperience with women was highlighted when he asked the forum: “Do you think it’s possible to close the deal in the same night with ANY girl if you’re good enough?”

Spurred on by advice from fellow bodybuilders, Tostee hit the nightclubs again – this time with a more ‘aggressive’ approach.

“On Friday I met this chick who was here on holidays. Started talking to her at the bar, danced, kissed and kept in mind at this point to be more aggressive,” he wrote.

“I can’t remember exactly what I said but I was much more direct. Ended up rooting her in the back of my car … then taking her back to my place to root her in bed.”

The flood of confidence brought Tostee out the following night in search for another easy target.

He managed to score a kiss and three phone numbers but for the increasingly confident Tostee, the night was deemed a failure.
Photo: Supplied

He rated one of the girls a 6/10 and said he didn’t even remember meeting the third.

Still, he was desperate to get laid and reached out to the girl that he had kissed.

After receiving no reply, he asked his readers what more he could’ve done to secure sex.

“Maybe bought her more drinks? Would this be unethical?”

A pattern was beginning to emerge, consisting of an eager Tostee chatting up women, dancing, exchanging numbers, sometimes scoring a kiss – and then never hearing from them.

In between the 'failures' he met a Brazilian girl who seemed content on getting to know him before sleeping with him.

After taking her on a date the following night his sexual advances were again rejected, leaving him to question why she was “screwing around” with him.

“In my mind, I just want to get the second one down,” he wrote. “So then I’ll know it’s not a fluke.”

Over a course of several months, Tostee practiced his approach in many nightclubs with many woman, but still managed to strike out.

In one night, he chatted up 20 different women to score only one phone number – but he didn’t give up.
Photo: Getty

He kept the Brazilian girl in the background, continuing to take her out on dates but she seemed only interested in kissing and hand-holding.

When she announced that she was returning home and couldn’t see him anymore, Tostee realised for the first time how much he actually cared about her.

“I realised something that never even occurred to me,” he wrote in the forum.

“But all the girls I have met and gotten to know over the past few weeks I have actually cared about. I’m still in touch with the girl I banged before even though she is overseas now.

“Regardless of whether I get laid I’m still going to really miss this Brazilian girl and I don’t really know what to think. In any case I do not believe in monogamous relationships but I never thought I would give a damn about any of these girls until I realised that I may never see one of them again.”

But to just to make things clear he added: “None of this will stop me from trying to meet new girls.”

Staying true to his word, Tostee was slowly transforming from a loner to a party playboy.

After relentless weeks perfecting his technique, he had finally mastered it – sharing with his online friends how he managed to bed four women in a single week.

“It was important for me to get the second one out of the way so I knew the first wasn’t some kind of fluke,” he wrote, referring to his first nightclub pick-up.

He told of how he spotted a pretty blonde and decided to get creative with his approach.
Photo: Supplied

Walking over to the girl’s friend, he told her: “I think your fried is checking me out.”

“You should dance with her,” the friend replied.

With no more invitation needed, he made his move on the blonde girl.

Before long they were kissing, and Tostee invited her back to his place with the promise of dropping her home the following morning.

It worked. He had found his second trophy.

In the nights that followed he worked the same moves – smooth-talking, dancing, kissing, exchanging numbers and inviting them to his place.

If they worried about getting home, he reassured them that he would drive him back the next day.

He bedded three more women before the week was through, documenting each fling in the forum – complete with a rating out of 10.

One girl only took minutes to be convinced to go home with him. She was hot, he said, an eight out of 10.

One of them only scored a 5.5. She was a time-waster, a “huge mistake”, he said. He should’ve gone with “a much hotter girl”.
Photo: AAP

“Anyway, that’s the fifth root for the year and the fourth within a week,” he wrote. “My mates were amazed and actually asking me for tips. Who would have thought?”

By the next week Tostee was in full swing, telling his readers how he managed to pull a girl without even saying a word.

“I saw this hot smallish girl, 8/10 with an amazing body, dancing on her own, surrounded by like five guys,” he wrote.

“All I did was give her a glance, then a ‘come here’ gesture with my hand and I was in. She was great in bed.”

After being found not guilty of the murder and manslaughter of New Zealand tourist Warriena Wright, Tostee is looking to start a new life – possibly away from his old stomping ground on the Gold Coast.

Game recognised.

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I'm surprised he got off completely. I thought they'd give him at least ten year sentence for manslaughter. Is Australia uncuckening itself?

[Paracelsus]

(10-21-2016 04:02 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I'm surprised he got off completely. I thought they'd give him at least ten year sentence for manslaughter. Is Australia uncuckening itself?

Nope. Guaranteed if there was no recording he would've been completely fucked. For all the shit single mothers that raised them, for some odd reason Australian men seem incapable of believing a girl can get aggressive or dangerous. It says a lot for at least some of the jury that they stuck it out and came to a unanimous decision; they could've just tossed in the towel when they were first deadlocked and put the guy through another trial in all likelihood.

That said, I'm waiting on the first female juror to break ranks and go to the media to "anonymously" tell how she was "forced" to find the guy not guilty.

[iknowexactly]

(10-21-2016 04:02 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I'm surprised he got off completely. I thought they'd give him at least ten year sentence for manslaughter. Is Australia uncuckening itself?

I'm not a lawyer, but I work in the criminal justice system and have read hundreds of case histories , crime reports, and the related sentencing reports. The following is from a liberal state's cases.

I think he wasn't close to guilty of manslaughter.

Manslaughter is often a plea-bargained crime that was actually really more like a murder-- someone beat someone up really badly , the victim died, and the offender didn't have a long record and it wasn't gang-related or clearly planned, so to save work /money they'll deal and give him ten years for manslaughter.

There is generally clear, active violence towards the victim in manslaughter-- it's slaughter.

This guy never really actively physically injured the girl.

He did, however, leave her locked up against her will, which where I worked could be kidnapping, which can have multi-decade sentences, but in this case was more like unlawful imprisonment; becuase he didn't have an intent to get ransom or the like.

Murder was really an outrageous charge, she absolutely killed herself by misadventure when she went free climbing drunk on the outside of an apartment building.

Since he was defending himself by locking her on the porch, I wouldn't even go for unlawful imprisonment, but something very minor like disorderly conduct. Her death was all her own stupidity.

But IMPORTANTLY, one should NEVER ( just because this case ended up with a fair verdict, although the initial charges were unfairly severe)-- expect the same result: as a man, you will always be 95% ( wild guess) more likely to have malice assumed as your motivator, and any harm that comes to a woman if she is with you will be consiered your responsibility. If you are bringing girls home and have no decent way to judge their stability ( a decent behavior sample over time, and some lengthy interviews about her relationships with men/her father)

I have NEVER seen a girl who complained of being raped that was stable. I'm sure there are totally innocent well-meaning girls who are raped, but so many of the ones that complain about it just have something missing and , yes, got themselves in the situation through dimwittedness or unconscious motivation, or reshaped the events to minimize their responsibilty. Or let's take the feminist viewpoint: Rape is such a horrible, horrible life-changing thing that it makes a previously stable perfect woman into an unstable powder keg. There, that covers any accusations of unfairness.
It's big borderline flag.

One should also assume that he is at great risk for losing a civil lawsuit ( IDK how Australia works) and he has a history of being charged with MURDER which will dampen many possibilities for the rest of this life. Often job apps ask if you've ever been CHARGED with a crime. Good luck explaining away a murder charge. "i wasn't convicted."

[They Call Me Mister Tony]

(10-20-2016 04:33 AM)Mrredsquare Wrote:  

Yet the media are still man shaming him. Showing his message exchanges on Tinder labeling him a "creep". Don't hate the player hate the game.

Even when the media loses, they "win". Is there any kind of reason they need to show his Tinder messages?

[Paracelsus]

(10-21-2016 07:45 AM)They Call Me Mister Tony Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 04:33 AM)Mrredsquare Wrote:  

Yet the media are still man shaming him. Showing his message exchanges on Tinder labeling him a "creep". Don't hate the player hate the game.

Even when the media loses, they "win". Is there any kind of reason they need to show his Tinder messages?

I believe they call it "money".

[JWLZG]

I've been going through a number of articles/columns on the Tostee case.

Here's one:

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NZ Herald Focus: Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall urges women to take care when using Tinder

A day after Gable Tostee was acquitted over the balcony fall death of Wellington woman Warriena Wright, who he met on Tinder, Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall has urged women to be careful when using dating apps.

The actress, who played the notoriously promiscuous character Samantha Jones in the long-running series, is in New Zealand for a promotional visit to judge a Specsavers competition.

She told the NZ Herald that "women have to be careful to vet these invitations in a conscientious way because they are getting themselves into situations, that are in some cases fatal".

Cattrall went on to urge women to "be cautious and to take care of themselves first".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/articl...d=11733489

[Buck Wild]

(10-22-2016 08:22 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I've been going through a number of articles/columns on the Tostee case.

Here's one:

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NZ Herald Focus: Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall urges women to take care when using Tinder

A day after Gable Tostee was acquitted over the balcony fall death of Wellington woman Warriena Wright, who he met on Tinder, Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall has urged women to be careful when using dating apps.

The actress, who played the notoriously promiscuous character Samantha Jones in the long-running series, is in New Zealand for a promotional visit to judge a Specsavers competition.

She told the NZ Herald that "women have to be careful to vet these invitations in a conscientious way because they are getting themselves into situations, that are in some cases fatal".

Cattrall went on to urge women to "be cautious and to take care of themselves first".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/articl...d=11733489

This is totally fine. In fact, this is what you want to hear. This is the sound dating advice that women should be getting. Part of the problem right now is that no one wants to say that women should take some personal responsibility for their own actions and their role in the dating game.

Taking responsibility, vetting their dates, being cautious and hell, maybe even waiting until a few weeks to spread it for a guy is absolutely reasonable. Know how I know? Because it's how women handled men for thousands of years before feminism and birth control.

[Paracelsus]

(10-22-2016 09:20 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:22 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I've been going through a number of articles/columns on the Tostee case.

Here's one:

Quote:

NZ Herald Focus: Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall urges women to take care when using Tinder

A day after Gable Tostee was acquitted over the balcony fall death of Wellington woman Warriena Wright, who he met on Tinder, Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall has urged women to be careful when using dating apps.

The actress, who played the notoriously promiscuous character Samantha Jones in the long-running series, is in New Zealand for a promotional visit to judge a Specsavers competition.

She told the NZ Herald that "women have to be careful to vet these invitations in a conscientious way because they are getting themselves into situations, that are in some cases fatal".

Cattrall went on to urge women to "be cautious and to take care of themselves first".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/articl...d=11733489

This is totally fine. In fact, this is what you want to hear. This is the sound dating advice that women should be getting. Part of the problem right now is that no one wants to say that women should take some personal responsibility for their own actions and their role in the dating game.

Taking responsibility, vetting their dates, being cautious and hell, maybe even waiting until a few weeks to spread it for a guy is absolutely reasonable. Know how I know? Because it's how women handled men for thousands of years before feminism and birth control.

LOL, Kim Cattrall, Patient Zero (or Patient One if you count Sarah Jessica Parker) of the terminal sluttification and consumer-ification of Gen X and Gen Y is telling women to "be careful out there"?

[Scoundrel]

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NZ Herald Focus: Sex and the City star Kim Cattrall urges women to take care when using Tinder

Do men need to be concerned/careful about anything or nah?

[hv123]

He was acquitted right?

[iknowexactly]

(10-25-2016 04:07 AM)hv123 Wrote:  

He was acquitted right?

Yes but the negatives are really, really huge; probably for the rest of his life unless he makes this into some sort of business like becoming a sexual offense defense lawyer.

The fact you were CHARGED with murder or manslaughter is going to get your job or professional licensing application put in the trash or subject to unbelievable scrutiny everywhere you go.

Not just CONVICTIONS are forever, ARRESTS are too in the USA anyway. No way to ever escape them if gubmint can look at records.

And the relatives can sue, it's a fucking relative nightmare for him, just not nearly as bad as decades in prison-- nightmares end, prison like that doesn't really.

With the advent of undeletable criminal and arrest records, crazy chicks are no longer funny. At all.

Each one has by extension, a full army of law enforcement and court officials dedicated to making sure anything she's unhaaaaappy about can follow you for the rest of your fucking life and beyond . (I don't think there are laws expunging arrest records after your death.)