[nomadbrah]

(09-22-2016 08:11 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

That video's also on YouTube. May not stay up, who knows:

This is just sad.

Ghetto blacks are really pushing the issue and have for years with the knockout game and the like. I don't want to hear any bitching when the pushback happens.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^Instant red pill.

Also, why the glock18 and a 32 round mag is not an unreasonable CC gun in certain parts of America.

[nek]

I've read that less than half of the protestors are from Charlotte. There was a similar claim about Ferguson, but has there ever been any evidence showing these numbers? Not saying it isn't so, I've just never seen actual data.

[Adonis]

^^^Due to GCA '68 and FOPA '86, I don't think there are any transferable Glock 18's in the US. But you're absolutely right in that this is a prima facie case for standard capacity magazines + 1-2 reloads on your person.

NG rolling into Charlotte IVO high value buildings.

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[weambulance]

Ha, I wish I could buy a Glock 18. As far as I know, there are zero transferable Glock 18s in the country.

I've been off the single stack wagon for awhile, though. Glock 19 with a spare 17rd mag is the minimum I carry.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(09-22-2016 08:10 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Ha, I wish I could buy a Glock 18. As far as I know, there are zero transferable Glock 18s in the country.

I've been off the single stack wagon for awhile, though. Glock 19 with a spare 17rd mag is the minimum I carry.

You can get kits to turn a regular glock into hose configuration. I presume you'd have to fill out a crapload of paperwork and pay a fee to have it registered as such or whatever your equivalent is. Legality of carrying one CC? No idea.

Mostly useful for intimidation purposes in a situation like that. Half a mag into the ceiling above the heads of the thugs in .3 of a second would make them second guess their choice of victim.

What a difference a few mils of metal can make.

[budoslavic]

[Adonis]

(09-22-2016 08:04 PM)nek Wrote:  

I've read that less than half of the protestors are from Charlotte. There was a similar claim about Ferguson, but has there ever been any evidence showing these numbers? Not saying it isn't so, I've just never seen actual data.

Found this on another forum attributed to Zerohedge, Im trying to dig up a link.

Edit: Charlotte Police Say 70% of Those Arrested Had Out of State IDs

Zerohedge Wrote:

Confirming what many had suspected when viewing the sudden and intense collapse into anarchy that occurred in Charlotte this week, Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told CNN's Erin Burnett:

"This is not Charlotte that's out here. These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems. These are not protestors, these are criminals."

"We've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're not coming from Charlotte."

(09-22-2016 08:22 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

You can get kits to turn a regular glock into hose configuration. I presume you'd have to fill out a crapload of paperwork and pay a fee to have it registered as such or whatever your equivalent is. Legality of carrying one CC? No idea.

Mostly useful for intimidation purposes in a situation like that. Half a mag into the ceiling above the heads of the thugs in .3 of a second would make them second guess their choice of victim.

What a difference a few mils of metal can make.

It would be a fun blaster for sure, but after May of 1986 (FOPA '86) the MG registry in the US was closed to new construction. Only what was already in the system aka "registered transferables" are legal for a civilian to own. Now if you posses various types of federal firearms licenses your business can own what is called a "post sample" meaning a post 1986 dealer sample that is the property of the company and must be surrendered if/when the company disbands. The Hughes Amendment was a shitty deal that did nothing to stop crime as there have only been 2 incidents of crimes committed with lawfully possessed automatic weapons since the NFA was enacted in 1934.

[nek]

(09-22-2016 09:38 PM)Adonis Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 08:04 PM)nek Wrote:  

I've read that less than half of the protestors are from Charlotte. There was a similar claim about Ferguson, but has there ever been any evidence showing these numbers? Not saying it isn't so, I've just never seen actual data.

Found this on another forum attributed to Zerohedge, Im trying to dig up a link.

Edit: Charlotte Police Say 70% of Those Arrested Had Out of State IDs

Zerohedge Wrote:

Confirming what many had suspected when viewing the sudden and intense collapse into anarchy that occurred in Charlotte this week, Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told CNN's Erin Burnett:

"This is not Charlotte that's out here. These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems. These are not protestors, these are criminals."

"We've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're not coming from Charlotte."

(09-22-2016 08:22 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

You can get kits to turn a regular glock into hose configuration. I presume you'd have to fill out a crapload of paperwork and pay a fee to have it registered as such or whatever your equivalent is. Legality of carrying one CC? No idea.

Mostly useful for intimidation purposes in a situation like that. Half a mag into the ceiling above the heads of the thugs in .3 of a second would make them second guess their choice of victim.

What a difference a few mils of metal can make.

It would be a fun blaster for sure, but after May of 1986 (FOPA '86) the MG registry in the US was closed to new construction. Only what was already in the system aka "registered transferables" are legal for a civilian to own. Now if you posses various types of federal firearms licenses your business can own what is called a "post sample" meaning a post 1986 dealer sample that is the property of the company and must be surrendered if/when the company disbands. The Hughes Amendment was a shitty deal that did nothing to stop crime as there have only been 2 incidents of crimes committed with lawfully possessed automatic weapons since the NFA was enacted in 1934.

Interesting, thanks. The follow up question then is has there been any link between these outsider instigators and larger organizations (besides BLM)? I see that the idea has been thrown around but my limited research hasn't really come up with anything solid. Mostly speculation

[philosophical_recovery]

King shitlord Internet Aristocrat AKA Mister Metokur is livestreaming with commentary. Only watching a few minutes of it because I've got shit to do.

Looks like rioters were destroying quite a bit.

[Kona]

(09-22-2016 08:08 PM)Adonis Wrote:  

The national guard comes out to protect Bank of America headquarters.The governor doesn't want to piss the boss off.

Aloha!

[budoslavic]

There are reports that Keith Lamont Scott had shot at Texas police officers in 2005.

Quote:

The friends and family of Keith Lamont Scott, the African-American Charlotte man shot and killed by police this week, portray him as a “family man” and “likable.” However, new details are emerging about Scott’s troubled past, his many encounters with law enforcement, and the reason behind his six year stay in a Bexar County, Texas prison just a decade ago.

Scott had a long police record that included gun violations. Christian Times Newspaper has learned, and it has been confirmed by the Charlotte Observer, that Scott was convicted in April 2004 of a misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon charge in Mecklenburg County, and other charges were dismissed: including felony assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, assault on a female, and communicating threats. Scott was also charged with assault with intent to kill in 1995.

The most shocking find in Scott’s record, however, is what occurred in Bexar County, Texas in 2005. In March of that year, Scott was sentenced to 15 months in state prison for evading arrest, and in July, he was consecutively sentenced to seven years on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Sources are now coming forward and alleging that those two separate convictions are in fact related, and they both have to do with a confrontation between Scott and Bexar County Police in early 2005.

One source, who asked CTN to refrain from using her name to protect her identity, told reporters that Scott fired a handgun at San Antonio police officers when they attempted to detain him in February 2005 after noticing that he was driving erratically. (Scott had a history of drunk driving, according to court records).

Allegedly, as the officers approached Scott’s black Ford sedan, he fired two rounds from the driver’s seat and then sped away. Neither of the officers was hit, and they proceeded to give chase and detain Scott several blocks away.

While Scott did leave the gun in his passenger’s seat when he attempted to run on-foot, he did, according to our source, assault one officer by punching him in the face.

Scott was released from Texas state prison in 2011.

In a press conference on Thursday, Charlotte police chief Kerr Putney declined to release the dash cam footage of the shooting, saying it did not provide “absolute” evidence that Scott pointed a weapon at Charlotte police officers earlier this week.

Judging by his record, however, it wouldn’t be the first time that Keith Lamont Scott has found himself pointing a gun at police officers.

This story is developing, and CTN will bring you more as we have it.

[nek]

The thing that's confusing to me is that it seems like there's greater outrage when the guy dying was more "in the wrong" vs. times he isn't. For instance, Michael Brown (Ferguson) and this guy were in hostile confrontations with police and weapons were involved, and people start to riot, whereas the shooting in Tulsa and the one where the cop basically killed the guy in cold blood in South Carolina hardly even register. It makes the whole movement look misguided. But maybe I'm just not perceiving it the right way.

Now the thing in Baltimore was fucked up in its own right.

[Delta]

The upside of situations like this? They give us a chance to marvel at the boundlessness of human idiocy via HuffPo columnist Jesse Benn's Twitter.

There are plenty of gems, but this is my personal favorite:


The absurdity of that tweet didn't fully hit me until I saw the video posted earlier. Watch this video again, now keeping in mind that according to Jesse Benn, a writer for a major mainstream news outlet, this is "righteous":

[El Chinito loco]

(09-22-2016 08:22 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Mostly useful for intimidation purposes in a situation like that. Half a mag into the ceiling above the heads of the thugs in .3 of a second would make them second guess their choice of victim.

What a difference a few mils of metal can make.

It seems spray weapons like that are mostly used for assassination purposes and not so much to push back a mob of people. Back in the Miami cocaine cowboy days the mac-10 was popular for this reason.

You didn't have to be terribly accurate when you have a hit team of a couple guys in a van buzzing off a hundred rounds at someone at a redlight.

[Suits]

(09-22-2016 08:22 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Mostly useful for intimidation purposes in a situation like that. Half a mag into the ceiling above the heads of the thugs in .3 of a second would make them second guess their choice of victim.

I don't think that this would be a good strategy.

Timing a burst like this in a high stress situation is hard and no one wants to have to accidently shoot their load and have to make a quick mag change with thugs bearing down.

Even if you have the skills to be confident that you won't go through more than ten rounds, you have to consider the risk of firing off rounds at a ceiling. There's no telling where those rounds will end up.

It's best to train for and engage in the following discipline.

(1) Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you have a target and are ready to fire.

(2) Do not aim a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. If it's practice target shooting, only aim at targets that are safe to fire at. If firing a gun to protect yourself, only shoot at targets that are legitimately threatening your or someone else's safety.

(3) If you must shoot at a human target to protect yourself or others, be aware to the best of your ability of where those bullets will end up. Stay aware of potential victims in the background of your target area.

[RIslander]

^ Also always treat a gun as if it is loaded. Theres four rules.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^
^^

Concealed carry classes for "fuck, there are like 40 amped up black guys coming toward me" would be considerably different from "some guy in a hoodie is following me away from the teller machine".

Situations like this are governed by Rhodesia rules. This guy could have just as easily ended up in a wheelchair or dead.

Seriously. Traditionally taught, PC, lawyer-proof CC training is stupid in a situation like this. You draw and point your gun at the meanest one of the 10 guys. The rest circle you. Sorry. You're fucked. The end.

Riots and flashmobs require rules of engagement similar to war time, not peace. So long as the roof was relatively flat the fuck if I care how many of those scumbags caught ricochets. Scare them off. Leave in a hurry. Be glad you're alive and be gladder still if you never get a knock on the door from the police.

Standard CC rules do not take the mob effect into account, where you point the gun at one person and he (of course) stays back while the rest circle you. I have seen this behaviour by Aboriginals here in Australia and in footage of ghetto blacks as well. It's highly co-ordinated on an instinctual level and if you hesitate for a second you are done for. There will be no escape.

One last edit (swear to God): I think one CC rule we can all agree on is "avoid bad places and bad people". This guy would have wanted to have a pretty good excuse to be anywhere in the vicinity of lawless mobs. Take a sick day FFS.

[Sp5]

(09-22-2016 08:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Whatever the case, they either needed to release the tape immediately OR needed to release a clear statement that they were not legally allowed to release the tape at that point.

Since they did neither people are left to draw their own conclusions, which is a fuckup on their behalf.

Most of these police departments seem to be living ten years in the past when after incidents like this they could just pull up the ramparts and stonewall everyone until people lost interest.

That used to work when the MSM was on their side, but the worm has turned and now the MSM is being used as a cultural wrecking ball. These police chiefs need to adapt and lift their game.

edit: What foolsgold said is correct. These ghetto deadbeats don't care about the facts. They're just looking for an excuse to hurt people and wreck shit. But releasing the video is still important because if it even half way exonerates the officer then the public will have no sympathy for these assholes running around wreaking havoc "for justice".

1. The police have no legal justification not to release the tapes, but are running out the clock until the new law requiring a court order comes into effect in a few days.

The police are destroying their credibility with this. They showed the tapes to the Scott family and their lawyer. The Scott family and their lawyer want the tapes released. The police don't. How does that look? There is the possibility of serious police misconduct in this, including the use of a "drop gun," which has been the practice of police retaining an illegal, untraceable gun in their cars to "drop" at the scene of a bad shooting.

The killing of a human being is a serious thing, and should be. If the People in their sovereignty make the police their armed agents of order, transparency should be routine.

I dealt with some of the public communications aspects of reports of coalition misconduct/bombing in Iraq. If you are in the wrong, you stonewall and say little, prosecute after a delay and as much as possible in private. If clear evidence is presented in public, you apologize and prosecute. If you have evidence of being in the right, you broadcast it as widely as you can. It is pretty simple.

Police in the USA have all of the bad aspects of "militarization," but few of the good aspects. The police will suit up in body armor and helmets and conduct raids like DEVGRU or Delta Force, but when it comes to having the courage NOT to pull the trigger, they too often act like frightened children. At Abbotabad, the SEALs did not gun down Bin Laden's wives and children, they got his armed son and the man himself. Police need more training in rules of engagement and fire discipline.

2. Here's a fucked up story: a department in the USA FIRED a cop for not shooting a guy having a mental crisis whom he judged was holding a gun to do a "suicide by cop," based on his observation. Two other cops rushed in, shot the guy dead instantly. The guy's gun was unloaded.

The fired cop was a Marine veteran of Afghanistan. He mentioned his Marine training factored in his decision not to shoot.

http://usmclife.com/2016/09/usmc-veteran...armed-man/

Don't want to take any risk of getting shot? Don't take a police job, be a fireman or park ranger.

The demonstrators in Charlotte were chanting "Release the tapes!" last night. It is true that there is a hard core thug element who want to rob and pillage. But they are surrounded by a lot of people who are sincerely offended. This makes the police's job more difficult, with bigger crowds. From my propaganda experience, it is possible to peel off a lot of people from violent elements, but you have to make a believable case to them to get them to stay home. The city of Charlotte is not doing that.

3. The police officer in Tulsa is being prosecuted for manslaughter, which is reckless conduct a reasonable person would consider likely to result in death, which did result in death. Looking at her and not knowing anything about her career, I would guess she is a nice mom-type who took the job for security, medical benefits and pension. Who might have been protected from tough duty. In short, a victim of feminism who was unsuited to and inadequately trained for the situation she found herself in. As I said earlier, a soldier in Iraq told me the women soldiers were disproportionally responsible for innocent civilian deaths because they freaked out and pulled the trigger under the slightest threat.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^

[Ocelot]

(09-23-2016 12:15 AM)Delta Wrote:  

There are plenty of gems, but this is my personal favorite:

I'm trying very hard, but I can't think of a single time in my entire life I've heard someone un-ironically use the word "righteous" who wasn't a zealous ideologue, the point of mental instability.

It's just not a word people use positively in modern English. You have "self-righteous", and "righteous" in a sarcastic tone to indicate the zeal of whoever is being described, but shit like this tweet always sounds fucking ridiculous to me.

I suppose this isn't a beating to Jesse Benn, it's a smiting?

Righteous.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Dickheads like him ought to be black-bagged and dropped out of a van in the centre of the nearest ghetto.

I forsee a day when we will literally be forced to purge people like that from our nations, and in that instance it will be done righteously indeed.

[Sumanguru]

(09-23-2016 04:20 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 08:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Whatever the case, they either needed to release the tape immediately OR needed to release a clear statement that they were not legally allowed to release the tape at that point.

Since they did neither people are left to draw their own conclusions, which is a fuckup on their behalf.

Most of these police departments seem to be living ten years in the past when after incidents like this they could just pull up the ramparts and stonewall everyone until people lost interest.

That used to work when the MSM was on their side, but the worm has turned and now the MSM is being used as a cultural wrecking ball. These police chiefs need to adapt and lift their game.

edit: What foolsgold said is correct. These ghetto deadbeats don't care about the facts. They're just looking for an excuse to hurt people and wreck shit. But releasing the video is still important because if it even half way exonerates the officer then the public will have no sympathy for these assholes running around wreaking havoc "for justice".

1. The police have no legal justification not to release the tapes, but are running out the clock until the new law requiring a court order comes into effect in a few days.

The police are destroying their credibility with this. They showed the tapes to the Scott family and their lawyer. The Scott family and their lawyer want the tapes released. The police don't. How does that look? There is the possibility of serious police misconduct in this, including the use of a "drop gun," which has been the practice of police retaining an illegal, untraceable gun in their cars to "drop" at the scene of a bad shooting.

The killing of a human being is a serious thing, and should be. If the People in their sovereignty make the police their armed agents of order, transparency should be routine.

I dealt with some of the public communications aspects of reports of coalition misconduct/bombing in Iraq. If you are in the wrong, you stonewall and say little, prosecute after a delay and as much as possible in private. If clear evidence is presented in public, you apologize and prosecute. If you have evidence of being in the right, you broadcast it as widely as you can. It is pretty simple.

Police in the USA have all of the bad aspects of "militarization," but few of the good aspects. The police will suit up in body armor and helmets and conduct raids like DEVGRU or Delta Force, but when it comes to having the courage NOT to pull the trigger, they too often act like frightened children. At Abbotabad, the SEALs did not gun down Bin Laden's wives and children, they got his armed son and the man himself. Police need more training in rules of engagement and fire discipline.

2. Here's a fucked up story: a department in the USA FIRED a cop for not shooting a guy having a mental crisis whom he judged was holding a gun to do a "suicide by cop," based on his observation. Two other cops rushed in, shot the guy dead instantly. The guy's gun was unloaded.

The fired cop was a Marine veteran of Afghanistan. He mentioned his Marine training factored in his decision not to shoot.

http://usmclife.com/2016/09/usmc-veteran...armed-man/

Don't want to take any risk of getting shot? Don't take a police job, be a fireman or park ranger.

The demonstrators in Charlotte were chanting "Release the tapes!" last night. It is true that there is a hard core thug element who want to rob and pillage. But they are surrounded by a lot of people who are sincerely offended. This makes the police's job more difficult, with bigger crowds. From my propaganda experience, it is possible to peel off a lot of people from violent elements, but you have to make a believable case to them to get them to stay home. The city of Charlotte is not doing that.

3. The police officer in Tulsa is being prosecuted for manslaughter, which is reckless conduct a reasonable person would consider likely to result in death, which did result in death. Looking at her and not knowing anything about her career, I would guess she is a nice mom-type who took the job for security, medical benefits and pension. Who might have been protected from tough duty. In short, a victim of feminism who was unsuited to and inadequately trained for the situation she found herself in. As I said earlier, a soldier in Iraq told me the women soldiers were disproportionally responsible for innocent civilian deaths because they freaked out and pulled the trigger under the slightest threat.

[Suits]

(09-23-2016 02:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^
^^

Concealed carry classes for "fuck, there are like 40 amped up black guys coming toward me" would be considerably different from "some guy in a hoodie is following me away from the teller machine".

Situations like this are governed by Rhodesia rules. This guy could have just as easily ended up in a wheelchair or dead.

Seriously. Traditionally taught, PC, lawyer-proof CC training is stupid in a situation like this. You draw and point your gun at the meanest one of the 10 guys. The rest circle you. Sorry. You're fucked. The end.

Riots and flashmobs require rules of engagement similar to war time, not peace. So long as the roof was relatively flat the fuck if I care how many of those scumbags caught ricochets. Scare them off. Leave in a hurry. Be glad you're alive and be gladder still if you never get a knock on the door from the police.

Standard CC rules do not take the mob effect into account, where you point the gun at one person and he (of course) stays back while the rest circle you. I have seen this behaviour by Aboriginals here in Australia and in footage of ghetto blacks as well. It's highly co-ordinated on an instinctual level and if you hesitate for a second you are done for. There will be no escape.

All the more reason to not expend rounds firing at the ceiling of a parking garage. In this situation a reasonable person would fear for his life and would be justified in using lethal force to protect himself.

No warning shots. This is real life, not a movie.

If it's bad enough that you can justify drawing a lethal weapon and putting your finger on the trigger, it's time to start dropping bodies.

Firing warning shots might have the desired effect of scaring them off or it may waste rounds and convince a thug to draw his own getto-strapped piece.

If your gun is out and your finger is on the trigger and you're up again a mob, it's time to start shooting at threats. Not the ceiling.

[eradicator]

(09-23-2016 04:20 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Don't want to take any risk of getting shot? Don't take a police job, be a fireman or park ranger.

Funny you mention firemen: during the Rodney King riots 25 years ago, the rioters would sometimes start fires and when the fire fighters would show up to put out the fire, the rioters would shoot at them for being white.

The rioters logic hasn't advanced much in the past 25 years.