[Chauncey]

And honestly, if someone is high on PCP and out driving around town, I've got no problem if the cops take them out. Fuck them.

[iknowexactly]

(09-22-2016 03:32 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:04 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I think you are mixing up the Tulsa shooting with the Charlotte shooting. Tulsa is the one where his hands were up and they found PCP in the car.

The Charlotte shooting is the one where the cops saw a gun, he wouldn't cooperate, and they shot him. Later his daughter claimed he was reading a book. I wonder if the book was titled Bang?

(Disclaimer: I've been busy working all day and had a few bourbons since so my facts may be jumbled)

You're right I think, I watched the wrong video. My comments are relative to the Tulsa not Charlotte shooting.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's well past the stage of being about facts.

The breakdown of good/bad shoot is no longer relevant, forum punditry aside.

Ghetto black shot? Riot.

And I say ghetto black because when that middle/lower class black man got shot in the leg by the cop claiming to be aiming at the autistic man BLM did not give a shit.

This is a mix of class and race warfare, or at least a run up to it. Tribal in every sense, and when it's about tribe then there is no such thing as a "justifiable" killing of a member of your tribe.

[Sp5]

(09-22-2016 03:21 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:01 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The police chief is a 23 year veteran of the same force. The DA is an elected Republican. You seriously think they are taking orders from Soros?

You're implying things that I never said.

If Soros funds riots, that doesn't mean he's giving orders to the police.

And we know that the police have been given stand down orders in many of these situations. This is a fact, not a conspiracy.

Quote:

Nah, I go with Hanlon's Razor on this one: never attribute to malice or conspiracy that can be explained by stupidity.

This would mean that multiple police forces across multiple states suddenly got very stupid within the past year or two.

We just had riots in Milwaukee a month ago, and there were riots in Baton Rouge and St. Paul a month before that.

The proposition was that police forces that released information early had less rioting than those which withheld information.

The question was: why aren't the Charlotte authorities releasing the videos and audios?

You suggested "the authorities" delayed releasing the videos. "They" wanted riots.

[Sp5]

Turns out the NC legislature passed a law in July preventing release of police videos without a court order. If it's true that the video exonerates the police officer, wasn't that a stupid move?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016...lice-video

Quote:

North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory this week signed into law a measure exempting police audio and video from the public record – a move that comes in the wake of furor over the fatal police shootings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota and one that critics say undercuts needed accountability.

Under HB 972, also known as the "Body Cam" bill, recordings from body- or dashboard-mounted cameras can only be released to the public through a court order, instead of via a public records request. Those captured on police audio or video can ask to hear or watch the footage, though authorities can deny that request pending a judge compelling them to comply. Release of recordings to prosecutors would be permitted.

State Attorney General Roy Cooper – a Democrat challenging McCrory, a Republican, for the governor's office – called the law "too restrictive" in an interview with a local ABC affiliate, adding it "goes too far in preventing access by the public."

Yet McCrory contends the measure, setting uniform statewide standards for the release of police video, protects not only the interests of police, but also of victims, witnesses and even suspects recorded by law enforcement.

[Enigma]

(09-22-2016 04:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:21 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:01 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The police chief is a 23 year veteran of the same force. The DA is an elected Republican. You seriously think they are taking orders from Soros?

You're implying things that I never said.

If Soros funds riots, that doesn't mean he's giving orders to the police.

And we know that the police have been given stand down orders in many of these situations. This is a fact, not a conspiracy.

Quote:

Nah, I go with Hanlon's Razor on this one: never attribute to malice or conspiracy that can be explained by stupidity.

This would mean that multiple police forces across multiple states suddenly got very stupid within the past year or two.

We just had riots in Milwaukee a month ago, and there were riots in Baton Rouge and St. Paul a month before that.

The proposition was that police forces that released information early had less rioting than those which withheld information.

The question was: why aren't the Charlotte authorities releasing the videos and audios?

You suggested "the authorities" delayed releasing the videos. "They" wanted riots.

No, I did not. You said that, and you this is the third time you've put words in my mouth.

We are having multiple riots each month, all of which the media agitate, justify, and then refuse to call anything other than "protests".

If you want to believe that's because a specific police department did not release a video and is not a symptom of something much larger, okay.

As far as I'm concerned, the video could have been withheld by the sheriff, Obama, or Jesus. It's inconsequential.

What I'm more concerned about is the constant looting of stores, burning of buildings, and open season attacks on whites that are becoming a regular part of life in the US.

We wouldn't be having constant riots if that's not what the government wanted.

Black Lives Matter would not be able to get away with multiple crimes, up to and including domestic terrorism, if that's not what the government wanted.

[El Chinito loco]

Not sure how to copy and paste video outside of twitter into normal viewing methods but this is disgusting. A bunch of protestors chase some random
dude into a parking garage and take turns kicking him before ripping his pants off.


https://twitter.com/LibertarianQn/status...0496594944




I have little doubt if they would have done this to any non black person on the scene.

[philosophical_recovery]

That video's also on YouTube. May not stay up, who knows:

This is just sad.

[Sp5]

(09-22-2016 05:59 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 04:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:21 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 03:01 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The police chief is a 23 year veteran of the same force. The DA is an elected Republican. You seriously think they are taking orders from Soros?

You're implying things that I never said.

If Soros funds riots, that doesn't mean he's giving orders to the police.

And we know that the police have been given stand down orders in many of these situations. This is a fact, not a conspiracy.

Quote:

Nah, I go with Hanlon's Razor on this one: never attribute to malice or conspiracy that can be explained by stupidity.

This would mean that multiple police forces across multiple states suddenly got very stupid within the past year or two.

We just had riots in Milwaukee a month ago, and there were riots in Baton Rouge and St. Paul a month before that.

The proposition was that police forces that released information early had less rioting than those which withheld information.

The question was: why aren't the Charlotte authorities releasing the videos and audios?

You suggested "the authorities" delayed releasing the videos. "They" wanted riots.

No, I did not. You said that, and you this is the third time you've put words in my mouth.

We are having multiple riots each month, all of which the media agitate, justify, and then refuse to call anything other than "protests".

If you want to believe that's because a specific police department did not release a video and is not a symptom of something much larger, okay.

As far as I'm concerned, the video could have been withheld by the sheriff, Obama, or Jesus. It's inconsequential.

What I'm more concerned about is the constant looting of stores, burning of buildings, and open season attacks on whites that are becoming a regular part of life in the US.

We wouldn't be having constant riots if that's not what the government wanted.

Black Lives Matter would not be able to get away with multiple crimes, up to and including domestic terrorism, if that's not what the government wanted.

Your use of the indefinite pronoun "they" was not clear to me after I referenced the Charlotte police's failure to release the videos. Obviously I should have been able to read your mind to know exactly whom you meant by "they." I am sorry.

In other news, according to CNN the law exempting police videos from public records laws does not go into effect for another week, so why aren't the videos out now?

[Foolsgo1d]

Do you actually think video evidence proving the guy was sketchy and tweaking out would make any difference? Michael Brown was a thug who deserved his fate and yet Ferguson was ripped apart by his fellow low IQ hoodrats.

A person or group of people who start rioting, attacking random people because of their skin colour, shooting at random cars and burning shops, fast food joints and other buildings don't give a fuck about some video.

These thugs should be punished as soon as possible and as harsh as the law can make it.

[El Chinito loco]

(09-22-2016 08:11 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

That video's also on YouTube. May not stay up, who knows:

This is just sad.

American society has decayed so much since i've lived abroad.

I've noticed that every few years it gets worse when it comes to gender and social issues but all this shit in the past few years is something else.

It reminds me of the L.A. riots but magnified nationwide without a real direction, outcome, or even a real cause.

America's race relations are fraying at the seams and so are many other aspects.

Whenever I visit "home" again I feel the culture is standoffish and off putting in ways I can't explain these days.

It's extremely dark times.

I really do hope Trump can lead the country out of this morass. This is really a critical pivot point in history.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Whatever the case, they either needed to release the tape immediately OR needed to release a clear statement that they were not legally allowed to release the tape at that point.

Since they did neither people are left to draw their own conclusions, which is a fuckup on their behalf.

Most of these police departments seem to be living ten years in the past when after incidents like this they could just pull up the ramparts and stonewall everyone until people lost interest.

That used to work when the MSM was on their side, but the worm has turned and now the MSM is being used as a cultural wrecking ball. These police chiefs need to adapt and lift their game.

edit: What foolsgold said is correct. These ghetto deadbeats don't care about the facts. They're just looking for an excuse to hurt people and wreck shit. But releasing the video is still important because if it even half way exonerates the officer then the public will have no sympathy for these assholes running around wreaking havoc "for justice".

[C-Note]

If the police in Tulsa shot the guy because he was trying to get back in his car and leave, then that is likely a justified shooting. It has happened before that a suspect escaped being taken into custody by climbing back into his car and leaving the scene, then later hit someone and killed them, or shot someone.

By the way, I just played the video of the CNN reporter getting tackled on my work computer and didn't notice that my computer speaker was turned on (I was wearing headphones). The reason I noticed is because my black coworkers looked very uncomfortable. These riots and BLM protests make black middle-class people, from what I've observed, extremely uncomfortable and embarrassed.

[Sp5]

(09-22-2016 08:22 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Do you actually think video evidence proving the guy was sketchy and tweaking out would make any difference? Michael Brown was a thug who deserved his fate and yet Ferguson was ripped apart by his fellow low IQ hoodrats.

A person or group of people who start rioting, attacking random people because of their skin colour, shooting at random cars and burning shops, fast food joints and other buildings don't give a fuck about some video.

These thugs should be punished as soon as possible and as harsh as the law can make it.

They didn't release any video evidence of Brown for days, let the shit build.

[DamienCasanova]

[nomadbrah]

This one should be running once an hour on television:

I really, really do not understand why some people just don't understand that if a cop says "Don't move" then you don't move.

[Foolsgo1d]

(09-22-2016 09:08 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 08:22 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Do you actually think video evidence proving the guy was sketchy and tweaking out would make any difference? Michael Brown was a thug who deserved his fate and yet Ferguson was ripped apart by his fellow low IQ hoodrats.

A person or group of people who start rioting, attacking random people because of their skin colour, shooting at random cars and burning shops, fast food joints and other buildings don't give a fuck about some video.

These thugs should be punished as soon as possible and as harsh as the law can make it.

They didn't release any video evidence of Brown for days, let the shit build.

Do they strike you as reasonable and well judged people who would take some video into account?

[Easy_C]

Keep in mind there's more to these events. I heard about events in Ferguson that shortly after the protests started that new characters started showing up who nobody had ever seen before and who were not from the neighborhood. These same characters were strongly pushing for things to become violent.

Do not underestimate the potential for Soros backed "community organizers" and "change agents" to stir up these problems upon demand.

[robreke]

(09-22-2016 09:17 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

Nice charts that puts things in perspective. But it's even more ridiculous than that as the black man in question here who was killed by a cop in Charlotte was shot by.....another BLACK MAN (Black cop)

I saw a reporter explaining this to a woman protestor and she responded with maniacal rage and incoherent yelling. Then another thug protester came up and shoved the reporter.

BLM and the mob Soros is most likely behind, is like an overly emotional woman. At least as far as the actual 'protestors' in the streets go, they really don't know what they want or what they're protesting. It's a mindless insane entity that feeds upon itself looking for its next victim and target of destruction. Pure emotion and animalistic hate and rage. The reptilian limbic brain gone apeshit.

They basically want to see others in pain or dead. Their sense of justice has no root in reason or thought.

The term 'useful idiots' never had a better example than what we're seeing in Charlotte.

[Slim Shady]

I have black friends openly calling for "militancy or death", to fight back in this "race war which already exists, started by the whites".

Not good.

[TigerMandingo]

(09-22-2016 11:32 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

I have black friends openly calling for "militancy or death", to fight back in this "race war which already exists, started by the whites".

Not good.

I don't doubt it. This forum hamsters a lot around this issue. Inner-city blacks simply don't like/trust whites. The feeling is mutual with suburban whites and I don't really see any solution to this problem.

Perhaps segregation wasn't such a bad idea? (minus the open racism)

[Isaac Jordan]

Good post on the typical MSM reaction to the "protests":

A "mostly peaceful" mob: Propaganda, or good feels from the hugbox?

Quote:

One of the recurring ideas of riot coverage is that the mob is "mostly peaceful". They mean this to cover individuals -- only a "few bad apples" are throwing rocks into the heads of police -- and to cover the time-frame -- for hours the demonstration was without violence, except for that brief instant when some guy threw a rock into the policeman's head (and that other brief instant when some guy broke the windows of an apartment building).

Members of a mob are only emboldened to throw rocks at cops, etc., when they have large enough numbers of people who literally have their back. By the time the mob dissipates, curiously nobody is willing to get into any serious shit with the police, who now outnumber the handful of remaining rioters. The members of a mob who aren't directly aggressing against the cops are supporting those who are, and they know that -- that's why they're there, admiring the front line soldiers, rather than trying to stop them from giving the group a bad reputation.

And only an autistic would meter the flow of time to see what percentage was spent engaging in violence, rather than the extent of violence inflicted during the course of an event. Aside from that brief moment at the end, Abraham Lincoln was enjoying a safe and sound evening at the theater, being pursued by an assassin who was non-violent for 99% of his time in the building.

According to the media, the world is fundamentally at peace unless there is a state of constant, all-against-all mayhem. So however disgusted you are by the riots you're seeing unfold on live TV, just remember -- it was mostly peaceful.

The level of desperation and repetition makes me think that the general public doesn't buy this crap. They can spin all they want, normal viewers understand that it's not a trivial problem -- reducing violence from 1% of the time to 0% -- but something far more serious -- preventing riots from breaking out in a major city for at least two nights in a row.

More and more, it's becoming clear that the media do not serve as propaganda, which implies some degree of effectiveness in manipulating public opinion. Nobody with half a brain believes that riots are mostly peaceful. Rather, their job is to provide rationalizations to their audience, who feel a gut-level need for reducing their cognitive dissonance about some important matter.

"Blacks rioting in another city -- uh oh, sounds like it could HELP TRUMP... quick, MSNBC, tell me why it's not really such a big deal after all. Aha, they're 'mostly peaceful' -- indeed. Ahhhh..."

Soothing the viewer's fragile ego, pumping them full of a topic they've got an addictive craving for, giving them ideological morphine when they've got a cognitive dissonance headache -- the media are more of an informational pharmacy, and a shady sell-all one at that.

It's not to deny the propaganda role that they play, but most people already have their minds made up about most of the topics that they would sit through a story about. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[robreke]

(09-22-2016 11:32 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

I have black friends openly calling for "militancy or death", to fight back in this "race war which already exists, started by the whites".

Not good.

Sad. Obama has betrayed this country. The enemy within.

On the radio, I just heard what was either the Govenorette of NC or the Mayorette of Charlotte give a sickening speech. (It was a female politician and I'm pretty sure one of the two but missed the intro ) The first thing she did was address the rioters' grievances and the jist of it was that they have a point and they should be heard. She also made appeals to the 'rest of America' that they should consider what they can do to foster peace and a more perfect union.

What a bunch of liberal feel-good horseshit.

As Brad Pitt's character in the excellent movie Fury says " you're a dog. All you understand is the fist and boot."

Likewise, that's all these out of control goons understand. If this continues, there really needs to be some skull crushing going on in Charlotte. The cops and guard should move in with force and absolutely crush these rioters.

Of course, they should try to arrest or disperse first and not focus on hurting these scumbags. But, they should be given the green light to use force if needed. To make an example of these people would create an outcry here or there. But it would also be a huge deterrent. If done correctly, it would put an end to these riots a lot quicker.

Force is needed to keep law and order. Giving into the law breakers and making concessions with them is how nations are lost.

It would actually be a good thing if more of these protesters were getting their asses kicked or in extreme cases, seeing the innocent citizens they're beating up, fight back with whatever is needed. The force needs to be brought to them instead of them bringing the force to the innocent.

The whole frame and paradigm with which this is being viewed and approached is backwards. People are scared. The law breakers need to be the ones who are scared.

George Washington had it right when he brutally crushed the whisky rebellion in the 1700s. The results? No more riots after that. The populace was a good law abiding citizenry.

[estraudi]

Ah Sedition....it's a motherfucker.

[Enigma]

They're already trying to get the professor who runs the Instapundit.com Twitter account fired for that tweet.

Because suggesting that people not stop their car for violent gangs is worse than trying to burn a reporter alive or beating white people.

Twitter suspended him, yet allow BLM supporters and Muslims to call for violence openly.