[Monty_Brogan]

(09-12-2016 01:48 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

There comes a point when it's just cheaper and less hassle to move. When I lived in Vegas, I dated a girl (a student) who lived hood-adjacent. I never understood why she wouldn't just move 7 minutes away and be virtually crime-free.

Moot point in this case. He lives in the Gold Coast neighborhood of Chicago, basically one of the most expensive zip codes in the city. So far from the hood it's not even funny, but only a 35-45 min ride on the L for the riff raff, so not that far.



This guy has more money than sense, though. Those security guards -off-duty police, aren't going to put a dent in this problem. These guys wouldn't risk their pensions on duty, you think they're going to risk their pensions and or life off-duty for $50/hr. That's laughable.

The people Mr. Mudd are trying to keep out of his neighborhood have ZERO respect for the rule of law and the Police. I can only imagine the confrontations that will arise from this when a security guard tries to move someone off a street corner.

The city has put all of its eggs on the south and west side in order to attempt to curb the violence -obviously, it's not working, and now it's open season on the upper-class northside communities.

The only answer to this problem is STRICT punishment for breaking the law. I'm talking breaking rocks and hard labor for multiple offenses, and even harsher punishment for violent crime. Instead, they go to county and play x-box, watch daytime TV and get money sent to them so they can stuff their bellies at the canteen. It's a fucking joke.

Lucky for Mr. Mudd and the rest of the city: winter is coming. And it's expected to be a brutal one, so they won't have to deal with this stuff until next Aprilish.

[dispenser]

(09-12-2016 08:53 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What would prevent a wealthy criminal from purchasing his own "security" company or that of existing services and using it to control a piece of the city as his own personal fiefdom?

If I were a cashed up drug lord this is precisely the sort of thing i'd invest in or at least start up my own rival company. A whole professional militia ready to be bought and also getting the neighborhood to pay me personal "protection" money for my men to watch over them?

Sign me up.

It's a cool idea, but oral agreements and honour codes mean that if one thug is convicted, the rest are unaffected. They'd lose that immunity if they put their connection in writing.

That's actually something a local security force should consider, if they ever find themselves at odds with the state.
No paperwork, coincidentally similar clothing (cadet caps just happen to be the local fashion,) maybe some kind of voluntary legal collection plate if one of the members gets in trouble. All off the record.

[Chevalier De Seingalt]

(09-12-2016 02:17 PM)dark_g Wrote:  

All you're doing here is paying the cops OT to work on their days off. There is no difference in the quality of law enforcement because it's done by the same people. The training is the same, the ring of corruption(if there is a corruption issue) is the same, The sensitivity towards the community is the same, I could go on and on.

The difference is that they are "there". 24/7 in the small neighborhood there is someone patrolling. Unlike other places where there may or may not be a policeman nearby. And thugs know this.

I was certainly happy to see them cruising the streets when I was stumbling back from the bars at 2AM.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(09-12-2016 03:16 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Leonard, people don't only sue for money. They sue to destroy their opponents financially, for political reasons.

Keep assets low. Take a dive. Another outfit pops up wearing yesterday's shirts with a new logo. The security game isn't new. Mall cops aren't being sued into oblivion twice a week even though it would be easy as hell to pretend to shoplift, get "caught" and then take the company to the cleaners.

In some areas police unions would cry foul. For sure. But those areas are usually the ones that are least in need of this kind of arrangement. If crime was so bad the locals wanted to hire protection then the cops would have a really tough time kicking up a fuss without looking like complete assholes, and in any case they'd have no real authority to intervene.

Regarding corruption, that's the best reason for local companies to hire local people, both to ease unemployment issues in the area and keep people honest. There's no silver bullet for this but it's a lot harder to organise burglaries in a protected neighbourhood than it is to saunter into a non-protected suburb and take what you like.

Again, and it bears repeating, this is not about "making America great again". This is about pulling a community together (maybe yours) while your country finds its feet. It's all good and well to talk about sweeping changes to law and order in our nations but we have almost no power over those outcomes individually.

The plan outlined in the OP however is a tangible solution that's obviously bearing fruit for at least one person in Chicago, and anecdotally for many people throughout the world who are faced with climbing crime rates and diminishing police presences.

[Foolsgo1d]

Just a symptom of too many wastes of space, up to know good and the criminal life appeal. Sure you'll get caught sometime, you can die but the life is attractive to them and they have nothing else.

The natural order of gangs and any man is to get a piece of pie by making something or taking it for themselves. Why wouldn't they operate in these areas? The clients are well-off, less chance of you being shot randomly (yes I know) than you would in the hood and best of all, the cops don't give a fuck.

Thats the problem here. Plenty of pushing one way, none or too little is going the other and it creeps into the other neighbourhoods too.

I agree with Monty_Brogan, who is going to stop them when the police don't/can't/won't do the job? Civilians organising vigilante and neighbourhood watch groups will be murdered and so will their friends and family.

The US needs to get a grip on these issues because it will only get worse for the police, local government, citizens and criminals.