[Ivanis]

Hello all,

I am having some trouble swallowing the red pill. For example, when I am reading a ROK article, I find my brain still doing a double take as its first response, however, afterward I always think to myself 'well this is the truth'.

Basically, my subconscious is acting pretty beta. Is this a normal part of the 'conversion'?

Its fucking annoying!


Thanks for the help guys.

[Matsufubu]

...there's an alarm going off somewhere...I'll be back in 2 pages...

[Sooth]

Stop posting, keep reading.

[LINUX]

99% of guys who say they have swallowed the red pill don't even know what that means.

It's a paradox, conforming in a group that refuses to conform.

I don't know how to help you guys. If you show up here and say "I've decided to start being masculine and stop being desperate." -- Then that's something we could all help you with.

How do I become a real man that people admire, respect, and fantasize about is what everyone should be asking. Even, I don't have that completely mastered yet because I have my own faults and hangups but I'm getting pretty damn close.

[Rhyme or Reason]

LINUX always dropping gold.

If you're asking questions like "is this beta" you're looking at it wrong. Be your own man and don't let any arbitrary set of rules define you. This applies to red / blue /alpha /beta r/k and my new favorite, gamma / omega. lol

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

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[Ivanis]

(08-29-2016 12:10 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

99% of guys who say they have swallowed the red pill don't even know what that means.

It's a paradox, conforming in a group that refuses to conform.

I don't know how to help you guys. If you show up here and say "I've decided to start being masculine and stop being desperate." -- Then that's something we could all help you with.

How do I become a real man that people admire, respect, and fantasize about is what everyone should be asking. Even, I don't have that completely mastered yet because I have my own faults and hangups but I'm getting pretty damn close.

Allow me to expand on what I consider as "Red Pill"

- De-pedestalizing women
- Starting to build a solid frame
- Taking a look at the cold hard facts regarding mating and the processes of game
- Learning how to game
- and lastly, learning how to not be "beta"(Weak, a floor mat, fantasizing about the perfect girl all the while not gaming or dating at all). And also learning how to be "Alpha"(Sure of yourself, confident, getting the women and success you want, living live how you please.)

What I am having trouble with is when I am reading a Roosh or ROK article, the logical part of me agrees 100%. However, my first reaction, of all emotion, still goes back to that "Beta" mindset.

So I guess my real question is; Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you overcome it?

[Latan]

OP, rather than forcing your mind to accept dogmas, test their truths by yourself.

Date more women, treat them less nicely, hit the gym, don't apologize, show strong frame and confidence, see how they react.
Slowly but surely, your mind will correlate what you read and what your experience shows you.

[Brother Abdul Majeed]

In my experience the red pill wasn't just something I swallowed and then experienced enlightenment. It was learning how to boil arguments down to their core principles and rebuilding them in a manner that excluded biases (mine or anybody else's). It was learning how to see definitive connections between things that I had previously been unaware were related. It meant I had to learn to see things in a new form and to quell my anxiety to put my own spin on them that excluded self flattery and to stop using convenient justifications.

Once I had come to grips with this intellectually I had to learn how to come to grips with it emotionally as well. Many of my own beliefs didn't stand up to the scrutiny, and that can be painful because I had invested a lot of energy in supporting some of my falsehoods. However, in the end, it's much healthier to try to do that because living with cognitive dissonance can cause depression and mental illness. One only has to see the effects that living with cognitive dissonance has on feminists.

Eventually I learned to pick my battles and learned that it's better to be happy than right. Only then did I start making positive plans to move my life forward.

[Lunostrelki]

I don't buy the more radical version of AWALT, because I think the idea that all girls are whores is informed by people who have made a sport of casual relationships so that's the only kind of woman they know and care about. Pretty much any virgin woman who consciously accepts traditional values can be maintained as a good wife and mother.

It's also why the player lifestyle (but not game, which is needed for dealing with any woman and some men) is degenerate and should be jettisoned by the "manosphere" immediately. That way we will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[nek]

(08-29-2016 12:25 PM)Ivanis Wrote:  

What I am having trouble with is when I am reading a Roosh or ROK article, the logical part of me agrees 100%. However, my first reaction, of all emotion, still goes back to that "Beta" mindset.

So I guess my real question is; Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you overcome it?

It's important to understand, and embrace, the fact that you can't control how you feel, so trying to fight initial feelings is an exercise in futility. However, you can carry on in spite of them. This is where digging deep, the hard shit, begins. It's what will actually facilitate your growth as a person.

It's like the difference between being 'fearless' vs. being 'courageous'. Doing something you're not afraid of is easy, doing something in spite of the fear you have of doing it is courageous, and that's how you grow. In your situation, you have to do what you need to do in spite of the way you feel, not by denying the way you feel. Trying to play off the way you feel will simply delay the beginning of your growth. Acknowledge how you feel, but recognize what you need to do regardless of how you feel. Hope this helped.

[WestIndianArchie]

(08-29-2016 12:25 PM)Ivanis Wrote:  

What I am having trouble with is when I am reading a Roosh or ROK article, the logical part of me agrees 100%. However, my first reaction, of all emotion, still goes back to that "Beta" mindset.

So I guess my real question is; Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you overcome it?

You're undoing decades of social programming, programming that doesn't stop and actually increases as you try to break free.

When you put the ideas into action and get the results that fit your changing worldview, then the dissonance ends.

The closest thing I can think of is switching to a no/very low carb diet. It's hard at first, temptation is all around, and you have to put work into doing it everyday. And people try to get you to conform. You see that the environment makes it hard to follow the new plan and easy to resist changes.

But when it works, when you can detect differences - it becomes very easy to do and keep doing.

Red pill is the same. Sporadic success with the old ways, but reliable success with the new.

WIA

[Leonard D Neubache]

Evidence, evidence, evidence.

Observation, observation, observation.

When something challenges your dogma then approach it scientifically. Consider how you came to the conclusion that's being challenged in the first place. Via observation and evidence or via societal indoctrination?

[RatInTheWoods]

It does go against everything you were every programmed to think and act.

It does work, and the reasons behind it working are solid, if you read deep into the evo-physc

But there are also all types of dudes in here that act and advise a lot of different things, some of which are not for me or you.

Read, study and learn, and take whats good and works. Keep an open mind.

Thats what I did, and damn it works!

[j.archer]

ive taken the small doses of redpill often but i understand its more of a process . To be able to slowly change your way of thinking. I see alot of hard views on woman here how they are all "sluts" etc . But i see its just a hard form of trying to remove that pedestal way of thinking that guys literally are raised too. I often lurk on the website to benefit from other peoples experiences but you should also reflect on your own experiences in your life to better internalize the content on this site.

[Only One Man]

You don't have to 100% agree with every article on ROK to be "red pill". Some of the articles posted there are absolute shit. Many are fantastic. Going from blindly believing in an ideology to blindly believing in essentially an opposite ideology doesn't make someone red pill or alpha. As others have said, your mindset and beliefs should be based on your experiences and observations combined with common sense and knowledge of facts, not solely based on what you see on internet blogs.

Also:

Lift weights and exercise regularly
Eat (mostly) clean
Read books
Talk to girls a lot (and guys) and improve your social skills
Build your career/business/job skills and save money
Find hobbies you enjoy and get good at them
And for God's sake don't put women on a pedestal

When it comes to "game", read a couple books and get some foundations and ideas but then go out and apply what you've learned. Go out and game and tease cute girls. Don't spend endless hours reading game books and blogs and fretting over whether something is "beta".

[Ivanis]

Thanks for the good info everybody. It is much appreciated! I will start bringing the ideas and hobbies into my daily routines. I already lift but I do need to start getting there more!