[killthebeta]

A christian, turn-the-other-cheek nation is great - when there is a christian, turn-the-other cheek population.

The age of the beta male is over. We have moved into the age of women and the preening "alpha" male. Yes, we should try and kill the beta tendencies we have in ourselves, but a nation is built on the backs of these honorable beta men willing to work and sacrifice for their family unit.

These are, of course, delusions in the mind of the beta, and they must be reinforced by society in general or he will not continue to play along. He will go dormant, like a confused dog that is beaten down randomly with no seeming purpose behind it.

And these delusions CAN NOT accord with reality when their spouse is not being kept in check by society. Not by dread, not by his ability to ape alpha-ness, but by her peer group and what she sees as "normal" on television and on social media. Which unless you're a mormon, we all know how that is going.

I am in the process of building a business here in the US, but I just can't shake the feeling that I'm buying up a warehouse, locking myself down by getting all the needed stock, hiring employees, all in Poland circa 1938.

Is it over? Should we all watch it burn? Should we seriously begin to look to invest our time, money and lives into other cultures? Is this being overly pessimistic?

Is life in America still, no question, better than any of the alternatives, even though she's running on fumes and with dead institutions?

[Bluto]

I don't believe that you are in Poland Circa 1938, but you may be more likely in Rome Circa 58 BC. You mention the social decay that the US has and I agree that we do have a bankrupt society and culture. Just like in Rome, the downfall will not be from any specific foreign power, but from inside.

[SunW]

When Rome decayed, power moved East. When the Soviet Union fell, there were good and bad places to be. There are decaying areas of the US. There are exciting places in the US. Like Rome and the Soviet Union, when the US can't sustain itself anymore (coming soon), it will break into pieces and there will be pieces that are great places to live and thrive.

[Heart Break Kid]

Uh...a little dramatic there buddy.

America isn't running on fumes, and it's not going anywhere any time soon.

It isn't anything like Poland on the brink of annexation..

[killthebeta]

(08-14-2016 09:35 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Uh...a little dramatic there buddy.

America isn't running on fumes, and it's not going anywhere any time soon.

Economically maybe no. But culturally it seems to be pretty sick. A nation is only as good as its people. With kids it's different too though because as a single guy I could have cared less. But when your kids are making friends at the prison yards we call public schools and you look at their hard, tatted, checked out parents (and this is a good district!) you start to see society through fresh eyes.

I think Q.C. had the right idea I read somewhere... a sort of dual life approach. America for business, somewhere else for culture and society.

[Space Cowboy]

You're really comparing the United States in 2016 with Poland a few years before 1/5th of their population was exterminated?

I do agree though that the optimal approach is to base your business in the US (for a number of reasons but, simply put, it's one of the best countries for enterprise) but to be able to live independently, at least part time, in another country.

I'd seriously question your sanity if you actually believed what you wrote and were still starting a business.

[killthebeta]

(08-14-2016 06:13 PM)SunW Wrote:  

it will break into pieces and there will be pieces that are great places to live and thrive.

That's the million dollar question though. I live on the coast now, and economically it is very vibrant. But if this is the hope for America then there is no hope.

But to move to a "healthy" place like Utah and join the Mormon church is a very difficult decision to make for your kids future lives.

What other areas of the country are you thinking about?

[Leonard D Neubache]

Kilthebeta, is there a reason you feel the rules on newcomers posting political threads doesn't apply to you, or did you simply not bother to read the rules in the first place?

[killthebeta]

(08-14-2016 10:18 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Kilthebeta, is there a reason you feel the rules on newcomers posting political threads doesn't apply to you, or did you simply not bother to read the rules in the first place?

OK. I did read them, and no I do not have the requisite 250 posts to discuss politics. I thought this was less a political question as not referencing current events, but more a "what is happening to our society" thing.

You are right though, I can go to other spots for more clarification like "Everything Else" if need be to discuss a potential lifestyle change to escape out of US.

[stefpdt]

Make money in the first world and fuck in the third world.

[jkray_]

I do not understand the nostalgia people have over the past in the US/Western Europe.

When was it a better time to be an average male?
-In 1700 when you were a 12 year old being sent up a chimney to feed your sick mother?
-In 1800 when you were being sent down a coal mine in Wales & being slowly killed for a wage that wouldn't feed a family?
-In 1800 when you were an Irishman being starved by the Brits, with the options of: dying, becoming a slave, emigrating to a country where you would also likely die / be a slave (USA)?
-In 1800 when you were a frontiersman in the US, and could open your tent in the morning and be killed by: a bear/an Indian/another white man for no apparent reason?
-In 1914 when you were a Brit being sent to a foreign country to die / kill a man who was the same as you but spoke another language?

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Today you have access to the information (internet) so that you don't have to be a pawn in someone else's game / plans for your life. You have access to the knowledge (internet) that allows you to become educated in any subject (game, exercise, economics, philosophy) for free. You have access to the means (internet) to start profitable businesses with little/no initial capital investment. The freedom and opportunities for men today are endless.

Gentlemen, it has never been a better time to be alive in Western countries. You can build the life of your choosing and can do it from whatever part of the world takes your fancy.

Stop wasting energy complaining about problems beyond your control.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^ Einstein here sees a hole below the waterline of his boat.

"I don't know what everyone is bitching about. The boat is, like, still 95 percent free of water!"

[iknowexactly]

We export more food than any other country in the world.

[jkray_]

@ Leonard D Neubache

No, I am pointing out the benefits of being in my luxury superyacht instead of a wooden canoe.

[Easy_C]

Simple. Because as bad as things are at the lower end, the opportunity cost of rioting is still too high. Once you get to where people have a hard time eating or their cable bills start getting turned off then things will get very violent very quickly. Notice that this could happen very quickly: with so man dependent on government welfare all that is necessary is if the government fails to sell its debt one month.

[National Crusader]

A place that's second to none in terms of making money, business creation, innovation etc. although the tax rates seem to be kinda high. Quite decadent culture.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-15-2016 05:13 AM)jkray_ Wrote:  

@ Leonard D Neubache

No, I am pointing out the benefits of being in my luxury superyacht instead of a wooden canoe.

Here's a bizarre concept.

Some people give a shit about things like their ancestry, their legacy, their homeland and their civilisation.

Some people are interested in something beyond feathering their own nest.

What's even more bizarre is that they're building in numbers large enough to make a difference to the problems you're saying none of us have control over.

Crazy, right?

[Kid Twist]

(08-15-2016 02:02 AM)stefpdt Wrote:  

Make money in the first world and fuck in the third world.

Rapidly this is becoming the more clear option, if possible.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(08-15-2016 09:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 05:13 AM)jkray_ Wrote:  

@ Leonard D Neubache

No, I am pointing out the benefits of being in my luxury superyacht instead of a wooden canoe.

Here's a bizarre concept.

Some people give a shit about things like their ancestry, their legacy, their homeland and their civilisation.

Some people are interested in something beyond feathering their own nest.

What's even more bizarre is that they're building in numbers large enough to make a difference to the problems you're saying none of us have control over.

Crazy, right?

Mate the fact that someone cares about their ancestry and is still happy living in the present are not mutually exclusive.

I for one am rather happy with my cultural background, but I'm also just as happy that I'm not a peon that would be sent off to die for a war that wasn't mine(Started over some dumb shit in the Balkans).

Not to mention he's saying now in this day and age we have more control over our own destinies and what we want to accomplish as groups or individuals.

It feels like you're talking past each other though I do still disagree with him that we can't at the very least fix the problems to a degree with what is occurring in the world.

[stefpdt]

(08-15-2016 10:59 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 02:02 AM)stefpdt Wrote:  

Make money in the first world and fuck in the third world.

Rapidly this is becoming the more clear option, if possible.

There's never been a better time in history to do this. It is absolutely possible. Anyone can grind it out hard online for one year to make it happen, and I don't care if you're 3/4 retarded. The money is there my friend, just start giving people value and ignore most of what internet marketers say. The future is about truth and real value.

[Kid Twist]

^ I think I got you, but not sure how specific you are getting (you can PM me if you want). I do very well in the USA, but am very disenchanted about the society and culture. I know spanish so I'm just about to start traveling big time to central and south america ... my issue (and I love eastern europe etc) is that for job reasons I can only get away for a limited time, a week typicall max 2 or so at most at a time, nothing like this "I just hung out an entire summer in the Ukraine" shit you hear here ...

[Bluto]

(08-14-2016 06:13 PM)SunW Wrote:  

When Rome decayed, power moved East. When the Soviet Union fell, there were good and bad places to be. There are decaying areas of the US. There are exciting places in the US. Like Rome and the Soviet Union, when the US can't sustain itself anymore (coming soon), it will break into pieces and there will be pieces that are great places to live and thrive.

You can thank the founding fathers for this one. After reading the Federalist papers, it is clear to me that they wanted to have strong states to take care of their own citizens with limited oversight from the federal government. They called the form of government that we have a Republican Confederacy.

We certainly don't have that now with the federal government that we have, but we still have some states that try to be assertive in their rights. Those states that thy to assert their semi-autonomy will be the parts that thrive.

[ivansirko]

The Romans eventually fell because they became fat and bored. They would hire German tribes to fight their wars for them. Civil Wars and the eventual split did the deed.

This isnt Poland 1938. That was a young nation invaded by those who felt their revenge should be taken out on them. This is either Rome before the Empire or Rome before the Huns.

[Disco_Volante]

White people, especially Christians are too naïve and nice. This provides ample time to ethnically replace them with people who will put a socialist / communist gov in place. By the time the whites finally wake up, it's too late.

Trump would only delay the inevitable, most cities are already firmly democrat as white flight has chased out anyone with conservative principles.

Japan and Germany rebuilt from mass destruction after WW2 because they had a homogenous population to do so. A hodgepodge of different races + women will be too fragmented to rebuild anything. If places like Iowa and Wisconsin weren't solid demtards I'd be optimistic, but it seems this generation of white people are incapable of viewing danger or hardship before it destroys the lives of their children.

[Kid Twist]

(08-21-2016 12:37 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Trump would only delay the inevitable, most cities are already firmly democrat as white flight has chased out anyone with conservative principles.

I've been the most adamant Trump supporter but have still told everyone it probably won't matter. But it'll at least buy me time.

Nevertheless, the military coup/secession/civil war remain major possibilities, not super soon but possibly in our lifetimes. The obvious ignorance or denial of our Constitution has to have some effect at some point and cause a revolution of some sort.