[Zoiks]

On this Forum I see a lot of backlash against many groups.

BLM, LGBT, Feminists, ISIS, Immigrants, Jews

Despite issues Forum members have with the above mentioned, does anybody think that these groups will be destroyed by the very people they are trying to represent?

History has shown that once a group gets too large, it stops to operate efficiently. A little like the theory of Dunbar’s no. of 150 people, where a lack of trust grows from not having close personal relationships with one another.

If you look at Christianity and all the different branches that there are, these have formed where people that originally had the same ideology started to shift into divisions and attack each other.

This can be seen right now with Brexit, that the British people do not want to be part of the EU. Within Britain itself, a divide of nations voting to against each other. Yet within those nations, there are plenty that disagree within their own country, city, town, family, friends, co-workers. Creating an underlying level of distrust, lack of contentment and what could lead to a lack of cooperation.

The US appears to be perfectly split into two camps. Left/Right, Blue/Red, Donkey/Elephant, Democrat/Republican, Pepsi /Coke, McDonalds/Burger King. However, within that split there are much more complex sub-divisions that now have a larger voice due to social media. And these subdivisions ultimately have to agree with each other, in order to go in one direction which will either be Man/Woman - Trump or Hillary.

The problem with trying to get people to group together in order to agree on one direction, is that you make a larger group which has a larger voice. And that is when a movement is created and presented by the media to represent certain individuals.

When the individuals supposedly being represented do not agree with the value of the movement, eventually those being labelled will say ‘enough is enough, I don’t agree with this shit, I am turning against this.’

It will only be a matter of time, before we will see a rise in the increase of:
Afro-Americans against BLM
Homosexuals against LGBT
Females against Feminists
Muslims against Islamist Extremists
Immigrants against Immigration
Jews against Jewish Media Propoganda

Through Social Media, this would grow to the point where the Mainstream Media cannot attempt to push a social narrative anymore. Leaving the groups themselves to either disintegrate or fragment into smaller factions.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-05-2016 02:27 AM)Zoiks Wrote:  

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Through Social Media, this would grow to the point where the Mainstream Media cannot attempt to push a social narrative anymore. Leaving the groups themselves to either disintegrate or fragment into smaller factions.

What do you mean by "cannot attempt to push a social narrative anymore." So long as they have a single AM radio station they can attempt to push a social narrative.

There are many things the various totalitarian governments of the world have done which they have denied despite the fact that EVERYONE knew they were lying.

Why did they continue to push that narrative? Because the narrative, no matter how absurd, is the government's way of saying "this is the line to toe or you're going to end up in a a mass grave sooner or later."

[hydrogonian]

Theoretically, this would be possible.

However, what I see, today is that the media needs to give these dissenting groups permission to exist. For instance: MGTOW, while probably somewhat legion, aren't legitimized by the media and thus they politically, in a functional sense, don't really exist except as represented by proxy groups such as social conservatives.

Some of the groups that you mentioned are not so organic as they are kept alive by funding external-to-themselves funding and intentional media coverage. Their opponents will always be politically ignored, and they will always be politically propped up, as long as powerful external interests have a motivation to do so.

[TheMaleBrain]

(08-05-2016 02:27 AM)Zoiks Wrote:  

On this Forum I see a lot of backlash against many groups.

BLM, LGBT, Feminists, ISIS, Immigrants, Jews

Despite issues Forum members have with the above mentioned, does anybody think that these groups will be destroyed by the very people they are trying to represent?
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History has shown that once a group gets too large, it stops to operate efficiently. A little like the theory of Dunbar’s no. of 150 people, where a lack of trust grows from not having close personal relationships with one another.
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The problem with trying to get people to group together in order to agree on one direction, is that you make a larger group which has a larger voice. And that is when a movement is created and presented by the media to represent certain individuals.

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It will only be a matter of time, before we will see a rise in the increase of:
Afro-Americans against BLM
Homosexuals against LGBT
Females against Feminists
Muslims against Islamist Extremists
Immigrants against Immigration
Jews against Jewish Media Propoganda

As a Jew and based on my observation of the world, you are lacking in perspective.
Jewish people have been around for about 3000 years. I don't see us going anywhere.
There will always be an "us vs. them". But that does not mean that the group will be destroyed. It might change/evolve/integrate, and what you point out - it may also disappear.

Dunbar theory shows that you can still cooperate over 150 (this is how you get tribes and nations). You become part of an "imaginary order" or myths.

Alpha male leads the heard. This means that most people are ok with "joining" and actually "converting" or "following" the party line. Look at what has happened over the course of history.

You may see a rise and increase in in-group disputes, but that is a classic hegelian process. You will have "winners" and "losers" or a new breed may come out.

Life is complicated.

[Germanicus]

(08-05-2016 02:27 AM)Zoiks Wrote:  

On this Forum I see a lot of backlash against many groups.

BLM, LGBT, Feminists, ISIS, Immigrants, Jews

Despite issues Forum members have with the above mentioned, does anybody think that these groups will be destroyed by the very people they are trying to represent?

No. Hell no.

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History has shown that once a group gets too large....

If you look at Christianity and all the different branches that there are...

This can be seen right now with Brexit, that the British people do not want...

The US appears to be perfectly split into two camps....

The problem with trying to get people to group together...

Your conjectures are huge overgeneralizations about several different and only tenuously related topics. In addition to being incorrect.

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When the individuals supposedly being represented do not agree with the value of the movement, eventually those being labelled will say ‘enough is enough, I don’t agree with this shit, I am turning against this.’

What makes you think that any significant numbers within any demographic you listed are actively opposed or willing to become actively opposed to whichever movement attempts to speak for that demographic? Aspergers?

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It will only be a matter of time, before we will see a rise in the increase of:
Afro-Americans against BLM
Homosexuals against LGBT
Females against Feminists
Muslims against Islamist Extremists
Immigrants against Immigration
Jews against Jewish Media Propoganda

Yeah, ok. Sure, not all blacks support BLM. The ones that don't usually just roll their eyes, turn their back on it, then get on with more important things in their lives. They're not gonna take to the streets to fight BLM tooth and nail because it's "unjust" or "bad", motherfucker.

Gays? Don't expect that either just because Milo. Most gays are quite happy to have the upper hand at the moment even if some feel sympathy for us.

Women? Again, most are happy with their increased privilege and like it. Some feel bad for men but still ain't gonna speak too forcefully against it.

Muslims? "Moderate" Muslims? Yeah, our strategy of being extra nice and accommodating has given us large field armies of anti-jihadist muslims. Oh, it hasn't? Well, they'll form in time if you keep holding your breath. You may already have been doing so-- it would explain a lot.

Immigrants? Yes, you are right. They will also turn against policies where they are given free money, housing, education, and favor over the native population-- favor which includes any citizen speaking against them or their interests being investigated by the police as a "racist." Yup, those immigrants sure do hate all that and will surely play fair and demand that be fixed.

And Jews? Seriously? No Jew, no matter how dissatisfied with the organizations speaking in his name, is going to publicly come out against orgs like the ADL/AIPAC. So.... do you think Santa Claus is the one bringing you presents on December 25th?

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Through Social Media, this would grow to the point where the Mainstream Media cannot attempt to push a social narrative anymore. Leaving the groups themselves to either disintegrate or fragment into smaller factions.

No. Absolutely not happening.

Listen, kid. You're on the path towards Cuckservatism. Stop reading libertarian websites, stop believing that minority groups-- or any kind of sub-demographic, even white sub-demographics-- have Freedom! and Liberty! deep in their hearts and yearn for Justice! and fair play for all. Stop thinking that if only the "good ones" could get their message out to the rest of them that all will be well. Stop believing that any large group of people can be persuaded by logic and reasoning. The world and the human species doesn't work like that.

[Max Henrich]

There's one group out there you didn't mention: Male white straight leftists (feel free to use the term "leftards", it's not undeserved).

At least some of them should have enough of it. Of feminists getting yet more entitled, more ugly, more hysterical. Of leftards who get raped by rapefugees and feel sorry if the rapefugee is kicked out. Of socialist millionaires who make empty promises and nothing more.

[JacksonRev]

(08-05-2016 02:27 AM)Zoiks Wrote:  

On this Forum I see a lot of backlash against many groups.

BLM(((Soros))), LGBT(((Soros))), Feminists(((Soros/Rothchild))), ISIS(((Israel)))/Saudi Arabia, Immigrants (((Soros/Bloomberg/Rothchild)))/((Mormons))/Koch/Walton, Jews

The last one is superfluous.

[Matsufubu]

While I can appreciate that the left will eat itself, it will not be as you described. Germanicus explained it well.

The world is a bunch of tribes fighting for supremacy. While there may be deals made, certain evolutions, some flex/assimilation, the groups will not destroy themselves like you describe. Alliances will be made, crumble and remade, yes, but not destroy themselves from within.