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A final warning from George Orwell.
#1

A final warning from George Orwell.

While it could be said our world didn't become a carbon copy of '1984'.
That it is more a 1984, Brave New World, Brazil, Idiocracy mix.
A rather sobering message from Orwell.
Whether he was simply wise enough to see humanity for what it is.
Or whether he was privy to hidden information.




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#2

A final warning from George Orwell.

Wow.

That is a compelling and eloquent plea.

Thanks for sharing that.
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#3

A final warning from George Orwell.

Faith's irony: Thursday I began reading 1984. What is presented in the book is an extreme version of what was here, in Romania, before 1989.

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#4

A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (07-30-2016 01:13 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Wow.

That is a compelling and eloquent plea.

Thanks for sharing that.

Found it on the crazy / 'wild-west' Joe Rogan forum of all places.
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#5

A final warning from George Orwell.

Thta clip is from the docudrama George Orwell: Life in Pictures I recomend to get a good overview of Orwells life, tho I wish they had showed more of his time in Burma and during the Spanish Civil War.






CynicalContrarian, you are right that we now are in a stage somewhat between 1984, Brave New Worl, Brazil and Idiocracy. Well put, sad but true.
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#6

A final warning from George Orwell.

Great video, but is anybody else wierded out by the fact that hes just sitting on his bed under the covers while being interviewed?

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#7

A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (07-30-2016 10:34 PM)Cortés Wrote:  

Great video, but is anybody else wierded out by the fact that hes just sitting on his bed under the covers while being interviewed?

They are reenacting the his last time before he died. Orwell was sick by tubercolosis when he wrote 1984 and had moved to an isolated cottage on an island in Scotland(?) to with his adopted son who was just a kid then.
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#8

A final warning from George Orwell.

Which minute(s) are best?
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#9

A final warning from George Orwell.

^Watch all of it that message can never be abridged

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#10

A final warning from George Orwell.

Speaking of crazy.




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#11

A final warning from George Orwell.

Reality is a social construction, so even in the world of 1984 there were free men.

To clarify, 99% of the population was enslaved, but no doubt the high ranking communists enjoyed all the good things life had to offer.
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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-01-2016 06:51 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Reality is a social construction, so even in the world of 1984 there were free men.

To clarify, 99% of the population was enslaved, but no doubt the high ranking communists enjoyed all the good things life had to offer.

In a world like that, not necessarily. If anything the higher ups would be more likely to forgo hedonistic pleasures in favor of concentrating more on gaining rank and power over their peers. Certainly they'd have better food, nicer homes etc., but most of them might not care so much about all that as they care about crushing their enemies and seeing them driven before them.

They let Winston have his affair in the book, until they try to join the resistance, and he's a party member whose indoctrination is much more important than that of the proles. The more powerless and inconsequential you are, the less the system cares about your personal life as long as you keep up appearances.
And people concentrated on breaking the rules as quietly as they can, don't have as much drive to try to advance in the party as a true believer.
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#13

A final warning from George Orwell.

1984 raises some good concepts we ought to be aware of, but I don't actually think the situation could ever really survive in the long run.
This is just a theory, but its based on the premise that greed always wins out in the end. It's just human nature. Even the elites in 1984 would be tempted by greed. But so long as they can all agree to restrict themselves and keep the game going, it works. But if one elite decides he wants a bit more for himself? I can easily see a situation where they start turning on each other, factions form, and eventually the whole system collapses. So I just don't see how the 'steady state' scenario in 1984 could really exist. Sure, it could come into being, as we have seen in history: communist and fascist regimes etc. But they never last, because such ideology is ultimately self-destructive.
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#14

A final warning from George Orwell.

The reason that 1984 is so widely read and discussed is to make masses familiar and, in fact, ready for such a scenario. Movies, books, and other forms of art and entertainment are used to introduce new ideas to masses. This is done to weaken the defense shield called unfamiliarity. When something is unfamiliar, you instinctively resist or are suspicious of it. By reading a book like 1984, your brain becomes ready for such a scenario and won't resist it too much. All of us see elements of 1984 around us but none will do anything because we have been prepared to feel the boot on our faces.
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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:25 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The reason that 1984 is so widely read and discussed is to make masses familiar and, in fact, ready for such a scenario. Movies, books, and other forms of art and entertainment are used to introduce new ideas to masses. This is done to weaken the defense shield called unfamiliarity. When something is unfamiliar, you instinctively resist or are suspicious of it. By reading a book like 1984, your brain becomes ready for such a scenario and won't resist it too much. All of us see elements of 1984 around us but none will do anything because we have been prepared to feel the boot on our faces.

Interesting theory. Do you think though, that this is what George Orwell intended by this novel, or just an unintended consequence of it's popularity?
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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:38 AM)Robert High Hawk Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:25 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The reason that 1984 is so widely read and discussed is to make masses familiar and, in fact, ready for such a scenario. Movies, books, and other forms of art and entertainment are used to introduce new ideas to masses. This is done to weaken the defense shield called unfamiliarity. When something is unfamiliar, you instinctively resist or are suspicious of it. By reading a book like 1984, your brain becomes ready for such a scenario and won't resist it too much. All of us see elements of 1984 around us but none will do anything because we have been prepared to feel the boot on our faces.

Interesting theory. Do you think though, that this is what George Orwell intended by this novel, or just an unintended consequence of it's popularity?

That is a good question.

I love the work of Orwell so much, I kind of don't want to know. If speculator is right, we weren't being informed by Orwell, we were being softened up.

We like to think that Orwell was warning the common man, and it would be really dispiriting to find out that he was really playing a mind game with us.

Unfamiliarity would be part of it. Once you know something exists, there is a human tendency to think that you have some sort of power over it. Like, yeah, I'm not like all the sheeple, I know what's really going on.

If we are to assume there is a small group of elites controlling the masses, then from their point of view, it doesn't matter whether you are a member of the ignorant class, or the clued in class, just so long as you are passive and let them exploit you.

So, from a strategy standpoint, we can say that moving some of the population from unfamiliarity to familiarity, as long as they remain passive, is an approach that works.

I haven't heard exactly this take on it before, and would be interested to know as well where it comes from.

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#17

A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-09-2017 11:05 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:38 AM)Robert High Hawk Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:25 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The reason that 1984 is so widely read and discussed is to make masses familiar and, in fact, ready for such a scenario. Movies, books, and other forms of art and entertainment are used to introduce new ideas to masses. This is done to weaken the defense shield called unfamiliarity. When something is unfamiliar, you instinctively resist or are suspicious of it. By reading a book like 1984, your brain becomes ready for such a scenario and won't resist it too much. All of us see elements of 1984 around us but none will do anything because we have been prepared to feel the boot on our faces.

Interesting theory. Do you think though, that this is what George Orwell intended by this novel, or just an unintended consequence of it's popularity?

That is a good question.

I love the work of Orwell so much, I kind of don't want to know. If speculator is right, we weren't being informed by Orwell, we were being softened up.

We like to think that Orwell was warning the common man, and it would be really dispiriting to find out that he was really playing a mind game with us.

Unfamiliarity would be part of it. Once you know something exists, there is a human tendency to think that you have some sort of power over it. Like, yeah, I'm not like all the sheeple, I know what's really going on.

If we are to assume there is a small group of elites controlling the masses, then from their point of view, it doesn't matter whether you are a member of the ignorant class, or the clued in class, just so long as you are passive and let them exploit you.

So, from a strategy standpoint, we can say that moving some of the population from unfamiliarity to familiarity, as long as they remain passive, is an approach that works.

I haven't heard exactly this take on it before, and would be interested to know as well where it comes from.

I started to question the intentions of Orwell and his book when I realized that Orwell is widely read and discussed in all community colleges of California. If it were a warning, it wouldn't be a part of curriculum, especially in this quasicommunist state.

This process is very similar to marinating steak before grilling it. The warning has been there for thousand years in Greek mythology. It's called Pandora's box. There are some ideas and things that must be kept away from masses and by opening this box every time we are making our lives more miserable.

Here are other examples of intentionally opening Pandora's box in recent history. The sexual revolution was started and then catalyzed by Andy Warhol's 1969 movie Blue Movie. This started the "porno chic" trend with Deepthroat as its culmination. This trend made promiscuity mainstream with devastating consequences for nuclear family. When people see/read something on the screen/painting/book, they are preconditioned to accept and adopt those ideas.

Another example is the establishment of Church of Satan in 1966. All major rock groups were created around 1966 (The Beatles - 1960, The Rolling Stones - 1962, Led Zeppelin - 1968, Pink Floyd - 1965, and dozens of others). The rock and roll opened the door to paganism and other occults and the Church of Satan was intentionally established to capture the wandering souls. Goths, emos, punks are all branches of this destructive ideology.

The Global Warming agenda went mainstream with the 2004 movie The Day after Tomorrow. Then Al Gore hammered the message with his 2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth. All done for the purpose of collecting carbon taxes and limiting freedoms.

Another example is eating ass or analingus. 10-15 years ago it was reserved for the most adventurous souls. However, they used hip hop to make it mainstream and cool. Nowadays, it is as common as eating pussy.
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A final warning from George Orwell.

"Being aware" is like true understanding of the basic precepts of history. That is, this awareness or understanding means very little if in fact you don't have traditional values and family as a healthily formed person in your lifetime --- the other side (and most important one) the globalists have been successful in exploiting the dissolution of. This special knowledge (let's say, of 1984) means very little compared to knowing where you came from and how families should be. If you know those two things, no progressive or globalist agenda item will have ever fooled you. When you first encountered them you sensed they were always aimed at chaos and for the "salvation" of the deluded.
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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:38 AM)Robert High Hawk Wrote:  

Quote: (08-09-2017 03:25 AM)speculator Wrote:  

The reason that 1984 is so widely read and discussed is to make masses familiar and, in fact, ready for such a scenario. Movies, books, and other forms of art and entertainment are used to introduce new ideas to masses. This is done to weaken the defense shield called unfamiliarity. When something is unfamiliar, you instinctively resist or are suspicious of it. By reading a book like 1984, your brain becomes ready for such a scenario and won't resist it too much. All of us see elements of 1984 around us but none will do anything because we have been prepared to feel the boot on our faces.

Interesting theory. Do you think though, that this is what George Orwell intended by this novel, or just an unintended consequence of it's popularity?


I can envisage a scenario whereby Orwell was part of the "in crowd" & thus he himself was privy to or exposed to ideas that were rather creative from the public's perspective back in 1948.

After-all; two way televisions?
One way television & video camera was in it's infancy from the public's perspective back in 1948, yet Orwell was entirely creative enough to envisage such technology as part of a mass surveillance state?
OK...
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#20

A final warning from George Orwell.

Yeah, he was a total insider, and particularly honed into the mass media methods, tools of control and the deeper agenda. Same with other leading writers from the period like HG Wells, the Huxleys, Russell etc.

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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (08-09-2017 01:51 PM)speculator Wrote:  

Another example is eating ass or analingus. 10-15 years ago it was reserved for the most adventurous souls. However, they used hip hop to make it mainstream and cool. Nowadays, it is as common as eating pussy.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine an asshole pressed against a human face - forever.

But seriously, the reason you see commie Californians reading 1984 in school is because they don't see their own ideology as totalitarian. They read the book and assume it's about a right-wing totalitarian state taking over. Look at all the antifaggots: they all call themselves anarcho-communists, so they're clearly operating under some interpretation that their fantasy Bernie Sanders land would somehow have more freedom and less government along with massive suppression of speech and wealth confiscation.
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Quote: (09-23-2017 02:25 PM)911 Wrote:  

Yeah, he was a total insider, and particularly honed into the mass media methods, tools of control and the deeper agenda. Same with other leading writers from the period like HG Wells, the Huxleys, Russell etc.

And yet, being an insider doesn't mean you're for the project, Trump good example.

HG Wells (The Time Machine), Huxley and Orwell are all very clear and prescient about the effects of modernity.

I read the Time Machine, which is short and easily read, and it is remarkably prophetic about the results of the technological revolution and the welfare states. People evolving into childish (narcissist) hedonists of indistinguishable gender. Preyed upon by those who manufacture the products and toil away hidden beneath the earth.

It is usually interpreted as a criticism of capitalism as Wells supposedly was a socialist in addition to a eugenicist. However, that is difficult for me to see in that book. It's quite possible that Wells wrote it to criticize the leisurely elites he was a part of, but why did he then predict the preying upon these by the producers (capitalists)? The Molocks are seen as workers in the typical marxist readings of that book, but I don't see it. The Molocks are not positive creatures, they're awful cannibals in a sick parasitical agreement with the Eloi. It has much more of Brave New World in it, combined with 1984 and it's written well before both.

I think there's this misconception that we're smarter today. I think we're generally dumber and far worse informed. There was a lot of very red pill literature written about the turn of the century. There was a great understanding of what was going on. Unlike today when very few seem to grasp the currents. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy as such, just that these writers, members of the elite, had different motivations, but they all had the knowledge. There were none of the taboos that followed WW2.
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A final warning from George Orwell.

Quote: (07-30-2016 12:13 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

While it could be said our world didn't become a carbon copy of '1984'.
That it is more a 1984, Brave New World, Brazil, Idiocracy mix.
A rather sobering message from Orwell.
Whether he was simply wise enough to see humanity for what it is.
Or whether he was privy to hidden information.




British humbleness always a good laugh.

When the interviewer says it is a masterpiece he responds:

"I am not absolutely dissatisfied with it"

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#24

A final warning from George Orwell.

Thought about making a thread about surveillance in big cities but this one is already talking about what the future will become so...
The purpose of this is to keep the discussion open on how accurate those books are (pretty accurate I know) but how we can also limit the surveillance we're "victim" of.

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This might be the next "official" level of surveillance after being watched through internet (tracking / supercookies) coupled with Android/Iphone activity
Here is the "Planning Outline for the Construction of a Social Credit System"

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The article: [url=http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion]http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-g...y-invasion


Like you can see the serie "Person of Interest" was not, even, in advance of it's time (the conspirationist in me is yelling that it was the way to introduce this level of surveillance to the world).










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Quote: (10-24-2017 11:24 AM)blck Wrote:  

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Oddly enough the Huxley side has a picture of pills but doesn't talk about it at all. In BNW the drug Soma was doled out and used to pacify the populous, putting them into a stupor which made them content with their lot in life and toil.

While we could argue about which drugs in our society fulfill this function I'd have to go with anti-depressants. I assume that when you're prescribed these your therapist tells you to just relax and not get so worked up over politics, avoid informing yourself about things that upset you, etc. I doubt you'll see many people on these drugs taking up arms against the government.

By contrast the character raised on the Indian reservation (John) is used to traditional substances like peyote (Huxley wrote the Doors of Perception about his experiences with mescaline) which have some kind of nausea and unpleasantness associated with them and are therefore not taken every day and don't have the stupefying effect of Soma. He causes a riot by interrupting distribution of Soma to some wretched low-caste people.

We haven't reached "orgy-porgy" yet but maybe we're on our way.

I also recommend reading "Island" which is meant to portray the opposite type of society. In that book the people take Moksha, an entheogen that helps them meditate on important existential concepts.
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