[Thrill Jackson]

I have the photos but how do I upload them? I've searched everywhere on the forum but I have not figured out a way to do it.

[John Michael Kane]

My question is, is she going to make an effort to get to know YOU? You need to be direct with her on the phone that for you, real relationships happen in person, not behind phones. Invite out on a date and go from there. Endless texting gets you nowhere.

[Latan]

^+1
Will look forward the ending of this situation.

[Chowder Head]

(07-02-2016 06:15 AM)parttimrgamer Wrote:  

Extremely busy person ironically suggesting a timewasting activity such as texting.

I'd tell her I don't do texting and try to meet.

Otherwise I'd suggest you try a different activity that rhymes with texting - nexting!

Now that was a pretty funny first post.

[Off The Reservation]

If you don't have whatsapp download it to your phone. See if she is there (the app reads your contacts and tells you which of your contacts have the app)

In a couple of days take a picture of something like... a furniture store having a sale. Send it to her and ask "Did you see this?? Joeys is having a sale. How's your day going."

You CAN turn this around but you are going to have to be funny and persistent and not come across as taking yourself too seriously.

Adjust wording and photo to your taste. Right now you are just a guy to whom her words you quoted actually mean I do not see the need to get to know you. To HER you didn't portray zero value nor medium value, in between low and no. You got a number, and you got an excuse. Better than no number or fake number, and less valuable than if she sat with you for 5.

[Sumanguru]

(07-02-2016 04:11 PM)1026 Wrote:  

Bro!

True story I read the title of your thread & burst out laughing.

No a front to you, especially after reading your story.

This is her putting you into orbiterville.
Maybe you're saved as 'Phil 3'

Call, push for the date... What these guys said.

& next.

Yeah, that was my thought too.

Women love attention. If they can get it without giving up anything in turn (sex) they will. So, at all times, you have to ask yourself, "How much sincere interest is she showing in me, and is this worth my investment of time?"

From her text, it doesn't sound like she's very romantically and/or sexually interested in you, does it? I mean, you're interested in her. If she said "Let's meet asap" you'd be down, right? But *you* said, "Let's meet asap" and she said no. So since she's not showing much sincere interest in you, you have to ask: is the back and forth texting she wants to do worth your time? Isn't that time you could spend working out, or reading a book, or looking for a new job, or studying for a class, or *talking to another girl*?

Always remember, women love attention, and if you offer it for free, they will take it. That's just how they are. For men, if we're offered sex for free, we'll take it. It's just how we are. No reason to be cynical or angry about it. Doesn't make either of us bad or good, just means you have to remember this when interacting with women and make sure you're looking out for your own best interests.

[XXL]

(07-01-2016 11:22 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

I ask her "good good do you want to hang out sometime"

I would not ask her, I'd offer something she could enjoyed. In this case [she's busy and logistically almost unavailable] I think it would not make any real difference but still it's better than asking *if she wants* this or that.

(07-01-2016 11:22 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

I don't get a flat out rejection or acceptance, but something in between. She states "I don't want to miss the opportunity to get to know somebody, but first I want to know a bit more about u through text if you don't mind. One thing though u should know is that I'm extremely busy with life right now and my time is limited to the constraints of my career. Just FYI". (she's a nurse).

That's fine.

(07-01-2016 11:22 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

I replied with the less is more text saying "That's fine. I'm busy as well."

Not enough. You could have texted something like "that's fine, good to see someone motivated, I like that trait

(07-01-2016 11:22 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

From this point do I just run some text game on her? Treat the dialogue like a first date? Do I next her? I'm not sure what to do.

From now on I'd use a mix of fun and 'get to know you' chit chat and figure out logistics to meet up again.

It doesn't seem like a very hard time consuming situation to me, it's a matter of logistics to me and that's it. This "nexting" trend is straight up ridiculous, you guys reject yourselves.

[Thrill Jackson]

I nexted the bitch. I asked her out again and is still making excuses. Fuck this bitch. As Roosh stated "women are experts at wasting men's time". I'm infuriated right now. I thought the bitch was different but it's another attention whoring flaking bitch. I'm so glad I found the red pill this early in life or I might of just gone insane.

[Sumanguru]

(07-23-2016 09:44 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

I nexted the bitch. I asked her out again and is still making excuses. Fuck this bitch. As Roosh stated "women are experts at wasting men's time". I'm infuriated right now. I thought the bitch was different but it's another attention whoring flaking bitch. I'm so glad I found the red pill this early in life or I might of just gone insane.

It's good that you stopped wasting your time.

IMO time is the one resources in life that you can never get back. You can always make more money, buy/barter for food, etc. But you can never get time back. So treating it like it's valuable--because it is--is smart.

And its fine to be angry. Anger is a natural reaction when bad or unfair things happen.

But if I could make one suggestion: don't let yourself self stay angry. A lot of times, anger comes from realistic expectations. For example, are you angry that a chair doesn't give you sex, or that the wall doesn't pay your bills? No, because you don't expect those from a chair or a wall--you expect them to comfortably hold your butt up, and to keep the wind out, and if they don't do that then you simply fix them or you get new ones.

Similarly, women are attention whores and in their quest for attention will waste your time (i.e. not give sex). It doesn't make them evil--not more than men wanting sex is evil, or the chair and wall doing their thing is evil. You just have to expect that attention whoring going in when dealing with them, and if they don't do what you want, you fix the situation (demand/game what you want) or get another one. Nothing to be furious about. She's not worth the emotion--most of them simply aren't, no more than the chair is.

[MdWanderer]

(07-23-2016 09:44 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

I nexted the bitch. I asked her out again and is still making excuses. Fuck this bitch. As Roosh stated "women are experts at wasting men's time". I'm infuriated right now. I thought the bitch was different but it's another attention whoring flaking bitch. I'm so glad I found the red pill this early in life or I might of just gone insane.

I was in a similar situation last summer. The bitch never showed up for any of my date suggestions, but somehow showed her face at a church event my mom invited her to (I met her through family) and made things that much more awkward when I saw her again after nexting her.

Women: you always see them when you want to the LEAST.

[HornyRamone]

Not to derail the thread, but this happened to me today with an Asian girl.

We've spoken twice in person, a couple of emails and a few texts today. I'll leave out the small chit-chat.

Me: Let's hang out this Saturday. How about a late lunch around 4?

Her: Lunch sounds great, unfortunately, I may not be available this Saturday. Maybe someday next week or so?

Me: No thanks.

It was hard to do as I'm new to game, but I'm glad I made the right decision.

[Basil II]

She rejects the date but not the orbiter attention, congrats

[polar]

(07-26-2016 08:09 PM)HornyRamone Wrote:  

Not to derail the thread, but this happened to me today with an Asian girl.

We've spoken twice in person, a couple of emails and a few texts today. I'll leave out the small chit-chat.

Me: Let's hang out this Saturday. How about a late lunch around 4?

Her: Lunch sounds great, unfortunately, I may not be available this Saturday. Maybe someday next week or so?

Me: No thanks.

It was hard to do as I'm new to game, but I'm glad I made the right decision.

Hard to make the call from one response alone, but a girl who makes a counter offer usually isn't flaking

[HornyRamone]

(07-28-2016 06:36 AM)polar Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 08:09 PM)HornyRamone Wrote:  

Not to derail the thread, but this happened to me today with an Asian girl.

We've spoken twice in person, a couple of emails and a few texts today. I'll leave out the small chit-chat.

Me: Let's hang out this Saturday. How about a late lunch around 4?

Her: Lunch sounds great, unfortunately, I may not be available this Saturday. Maybe someday next week or so?

Me: No thanks.

It was hard to do as I'm new to game, but I'm glad I made the right decision.

Hard to make the call from one response alone, but a girl who makes a counter offer usually isn't flaking

I forgot to mention that that's the second time she rejected an offer. But there's also the fact that she never showed interest in my bait. And look at the wording, "I may not be available this Saturday." If she liked me, she would make time for an hour lunch in the late afternoon. I mean, if her parents are in town, she wouldn't say "I may not be available." Either she was rejecting me or using me as a backup plan. She didn't really make a counter offer either. Instead of asking about a specific day and time for a date, she said in a week or so. That's too open-ended and lacks sincerity.

I think she liked the attention I was giving her and wanted me as an orbiter, dangling a carrot in my face with possible dates in weeks to come.

I'm not having it. I would agree with you otherwise if one of the above mentioned behaviors was different.

[Latan]

When a girl says "I'm busy this week, maybe next week", she clearly shows she's not attracted to you.
It's not a counter offer, it's an orbiter offer.

If Dicaprio was asking her to meet this week, she'd cancel her plans and meet him, without ANY hesitation.

[Razor Beast]

It sounds like she has control of the frame or isn't attracted and is trying to make you a text buddy/orbiter for attention. I'd next her. Girls who are interested don't play games like that. If you gave a date, place, and time to meet you and she gave an excuse without suggesting an alternative I'd ghost.

[Thrill Jackson]

Funny follow up story. I was drunk texting damn near everybody in my phone "Happy Holidays" on Christmas Eve.... including this flaking chick. Here is how the messages went.

ME: Happy Holidays <Flake>!

Flake: Hi, Phil! Thank Happy Holidays!

then 5 days later....

Flake: Hey!, How r you?

*This is the first time she has texted me first ever.... at this point I'm thinking, doe she want the D? So I reply non chantantly since at this point I got the leverage*

ME: good.you?

Flake:Good, good thanks. Was very sweet of u to even remember my existence during the holiday season. I got so busy that I couldn't make time to meet w you. Starting you last semester soon?

Me: I'm done with school. Now I'm focusing I'm on my CPA

FLAKE: Ah I see. Well, good luck with everything!

At this point I'm thinking about going for the oh " do you want to hang out some time?" line once again. But then I remembered how much she pissed me off, wasted my time, disrespected me, and the article Roosh wrote "Never Let A Girl Reject You Twice"(Link: http://www.rooshv.com/never-let-a-girl-reject-you-twice ). So I didn't do shit. Didn't go for the .00001% chance of getting the bang. It just isn't worth my time and at this point I have too much pride.Even if she a solid 8 on her way to becoming a doctor.

[Cobra]

You set the frame not her.

[LeoneVolpe]

^ Agreed.

If we were talking about online game, I could understand a girl wanting to take a little more time getting to know a guy before agreeing to meet up. But we're not talking about online game. We're talking about a girl the OP met while running day-game. As far as I'm concerned, she should've had enough info from that one encounter to know whether or not she'd want to see him again. Her decision to turn it into a game is enough reason to next her. There's far too many girls out there who'd actually be willing to meet to waste another minute on a chick who pulls shit like this. Just my two-cents.

[RatInTheWoods]

You guys give up easy and don't put much effort in.

Unless you have epic looks, you have to GAME them.

That means much more than just offering a date after five mins.

If she is at your SMV or higher, you will have to work for it. Show her some game, text some shiot that gets her interested and comfortable.

These dues that "Next that bitch, she ain't wasting my time" if they don't jump at a are you DTF text five minutes after meeing them must be chashing the easy kills 4 SMV points below them.

[Beirut]

XXL and Rat hit the nail on this one.

OP, do you want to bang as many girls as you can or do you want to get good game? Shes not a flaking bitch (not yet anyway), she hasnt lied to you (not yet anyway), she doesnt owe you anything (not even her time).

I actually love this girl and this interaction, regardless of results. Why? Look at her replies. Theyre all long and have a lot of layers/subjects. This isnt a rejection. This is an invitation to game her. At least to you, thats what you should think of it. This could actually be one of the few interesting threads in this sub.

She is open for gaming. In fact this is what game is. Its not "screen" all the girls until one jumps on your dick. Its to turn the "maybe" into "yes". The "10% chance" into a done deal.

Otherwise whats the point of gaming advice? Look at the reply that XXL suggested. Thats great game right there. The "that's fine, good to see someone motivated, I like that trait". So many avenues that you can take that into which turn the tables around.

You want to next because your time is precious? Come on none of us is Elon Musk, takes a few seconds to text. Wouldve probably taken less time than making this thread.

You want to next because you have your pride and who is she to fuck with it? 99% of male female interaction start with you taking a hit to your pride/ego and making the effort initially. 99% end with you finishing on her face and her stalking you for monthes.

Guys like West Indian Archie and XXL would have had a great time with this one, wouldve been cool to see what they would do with it.

[Turnus]

This one hits close to home. I have a few girls in my phone like this. They will carry on great text/snapchat conversations. Engaging and funny and checking in on me when I don't text them after a few days. But every time I pitch for the meetup they come up with some excuse.

I'm getting sick of the game and they really aren't worth it. However, if you think this girl is worth it one thing I might suggest is simply picking up the phone and giving her a ring sometime. You know, like us old dudes used to have to do back in the day. Give it a shot.

[iknowexactly]

1) Never accept excuses
2) Anything but yes is no.
2) never believe excuses
4) difficult women remain difficult.

[Kamikaze]

(01-04-2017 10:43 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

Funny follow up story. I was drunk texting damn near everybody in my phone "Happy Holidays" on Christmas Eve.... including this flaking chick. Here is how the messages went.

ME: Happy Holidays <Flake>!

Flake: Hi, Phil! Thank Happy Holidays!

then 5 days later....

Flake: Hey!, How r you?

*This is the first time she has texted me first ever.... at this point I'm thinking, doe she want the D? So I reply non chantantly since at this point I got the leverage*

ME: good.you?

Flake:Good, good thanks. Was very sweet of u to even remember my existence during the holiday season. I got so busy that I couldn't make time to meet w you. Starting you last semester soon?

Me: I'm done with school. Now I'm focusing I'm on my CPA

FLAKE: Ah I see. Well, good luck with everything!

At this point I'm thinking about going for the oh " do you want to hang out some time?" line once again. But then I remembered how much she pissed me off, wasted my time, disrespected me, and the article Roosh wrote "Never Let A Girl Reject You Twice"(Link: http://www.rooshv.com/never-let-a-girl-reject-you-twice ). So I didn't do shit. Didn't go for the .00001% chance of getting the bang. It just isn't worth my time and at this point I have too much pride.Even if she a solid 8 on her way to becoming a doctor.

This proves what I thought from thought from the original post. Everyone said 'NEXT!' Most girls don't have the decency to reply with a slight apology if they're not interested. They'll be curt and short or downright ignore you.

She was trying to set the frame and your response wasn't the best. To review, she said:

fine mexican woman Wrote:

"I don't want to miss the opportunity to get to know somebody, but first I want to know a bit more about u through text if you don't mind. One thing though u should know is that I'm extremely busy with life right now and my time is limited to the constraints of my career. Just FYI"

Like you correctly pointed out, this wasn't a flat out rejection. Now, do you respond? it depends how fine she is. If she's a 30 yo divorcee with 2 kids, you next. if she's a truly fine girl with no eye wrinkles and tits that don't need a bra, then I put in the work. I'll bang the old broad too, but she better just throw the panties on the ground as soon as I even look at her.

You said "I'm busy too." That may be true but that wasn't good. You were trying to one-up her. It's better to act like what she says doesn't get to you. Here would be my potential responses:

"I have a few nurse friends with crazy scheds so I get it."
"Good, I have the best personality over text"
"I have an old phone. It just took me 30 mins to send this text"
"Too busy for the man of your dreams?"
"I've always wanted to text a nurse"
"Does this mean I can text you questions about all my medical problems?"
"I have this bump on my ass, idk if it's an ingrown hair or a sebaceous cyst"
etc etc

Texting gives me time to think.

If she's an old school Mexican latina, she might just be putting you through some requisite hoops before she gives up the pussy. Or she may not. The point is, everyone jumped and said this is a clear "Next," when it can actually be a positive sign that she values her pussy more than most girls willing to throw it away.

I've had several girls tell me 'why didn't you call me back?' but here's a more recent story from a hot Guatemalan girl. I didn't call her up because she wasn't even down for a kiss at the end of a first date, and she was older. I'm sure I could have banged but she put up more resistance than a girl in her position should. Later she asked me out on a date after 2 months, and she said "I just wanted you to fight for it. You've gotten used to American girls."

Just watch out for nexting girls too early, if she's cute enough to be relationship material. You have to decide if she's worth it. That wall she puts up could ultimately be in your benefit, if you make it work in your favor.

[Mufasa]

(07-14-2016 03:03 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

"You're a nurse, not a surgeon. You done making up bullshit?"

Probably blow up in your face but fuck it; its pretty much a dead lead any way.

Since you're new to the game, don't be afraid to test out some concepts like harsh calling out on dead leads (when appropriate) for experimental purposes. You might be surprised by the results.

Starting to get to the point where saying things like this is becoming a good idea lol

(07-14-2016 08:29 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

real relationships happen in person, not behind phones.

great quality one liners/responses in this thread. my text game is improving by the minute. a high quality tread bump

(01-04-2017 10:43 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

Funny follow up story. I was drunk texting damn near everybody in my phone "Happy Holidays" on Christmas Eve.... including this flaking chick. Here is how the messages went.

ME: Happy Holidays <Flake>!

Flake: Hi, Phil! Thank Happy Holidays!

then 5 days later....

Flake: Hey!, How r you?

*This is the first time she has texted me first ever.... at this point I'm thinking, doe she want the D? So I reply non chantantly since at this point I got the leverage*

ME: good.you?

Flake:Good, good thanks. Was very sweet of u to even remember my existence during the holiday season. I got so busy that I couldn't make time to meet w you. Starting you last semester soon?

Me: I'm done with school. Now I'm focusing I'm on my CPA

FLAKE: Ah I see. Well, good luck with everything!

At this point I'm thinking about going for the oh " do you want to hang out some time?" line once again. But then I remembered how much she pissed me off, wasted my time, disrespected me, and the article Roosh wrote "Never Let A Girl Reject You Twice"(Link: http://www.rooshv.com/never-let-a-girl-reject-you-twice ). So I didn't do shit. Didn't go for the .00001% chance of getting the bang. It just isn't worth my time and at this point I have too much pride.Even if she a solid 8 on her way to becoming a doctor.

Instead of the "CPA" honesty I would have gone with "building my empire now" or "establishing Phil Jackson Enterprises" some dope shit like that.

TBH i'll let a chick reject me as many times as she wants. Chances of me meeting that girl again while out on the mack-attack is slim-to-none. Obviously don't drown her in texts but some here and there is no sweat for me.
The few times I have ran into girls I don't let them catch a breather without me on their ass about not responding to text. Typically met with laughter and flirtation but I'm usually too drunk to care about her horse shit.

A bad move was letting her get to the point where she could close the conversation. That was her pleasantly asking you to return to the friend zone lol. Gotta shoot that shot before the buzzer goes off earlier man.

Instead of "good you" shoulda went with "good, whatcha up to" because this bummy bitch obviously isn't "busy" right now and then you're steering the convo. Always be captain of your ship.