[PowerGame]

I bought something on a website.

Decided to visit the seller quickly. I ring the door bell and the most feminine voice I ever heard appeared.

She appeared to just have gotten out of the shower and went to the door in my opinion a 8.5/10 german blonde, 20yo, half head smaller than me, University student same one as me. Did not see something I would rate like that for some time. And I instantly felt the urge to join the shower ?

Of course I was professional before in texting and quickly closed the deal, we talked a little bit exchanged some stuff and she even asked if I would like to come in, the apartment is higher up, the door at the lowest level.

Then her - I guess - live in LTR enters the scene. He is taller but totally skinny, looks feminine and weak, surely wanted to defend her from me, made him look weaker, because he got down three levels when she was just making a quick deal,having his head down to look smaller and on the same level as the girl. Looked like he is one of her few experiences, but no sexual tension between them.

she couldn't hold eye contact for long with me but always looked back again and talked happily although we didn't know each other.

I know that she liked me in my leather jacket with new custom made sunglasses and although my hair looked liked I am homeless I felt she wanted the guy to get off.

She starts talking using the word "we" I just quickly greet him, talk to her a little bit and leave afterwards

I pinged her one time with a quick "nice house" I think I was giving a I don't give a fuck vibe before and I really still do (my main problem is i normally can't develop real interest anymore, need to fake it) so I don't know if I should start 'giving more', but obviously I am strongly attracted.

Anyways she answers longer and again used the word we "yes we fell in love with that house.. Blablablabla I hope you have fun with article X.. Nice meeting " I dropped some interesting knowledge about me connected to what I bought.. which I don't want to write down here to not be found by people in real life. That's why she answered a longer text. Didn't answer that one yet.

She seems interested and I got her number, but we still used the website app.

So where I would need help is 1) should I start showing more interest 2) ask for switch to mobile or keep it on app 3) quickly push for meet up or slowly 4) how should I act towards all that "we" talk (I just ignored it until now) and plan to answer like "dunno if your house can give back that love, but it's nice to own beautiful things " and of course.. 5) I have in mind: like going to a lake or river if I can close, where noone can know us.. Because Noone should find out. Already had success at these places, my apartment won't work, in her city many could know her or me. Normally get there with wine, stuff for a quick secret swim and a blanket.

If my ideas suck just wash my head I prefer quick deaths and rebirth to wasting time and of course that's my first thread and question ?.. I just have 0 experience in this situation.

[yeppels]

It sounds like she's being friendly or is just interested in and/or knowledgeable about whatever article X you were buying and wants to talk about it and be helpful. Something you can do is segue your common interest in X into "hey so we were talking about this thing, I found more of these things/complementary things at Y store, come with me and give me your opinion about which I should buy" or "give me your number so I can send u some pictures of which I should buy" etc.

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qormally can't develop real interest anymore, need to fake it

You should work on this with girls who are more realistic for you to actually get with - i.e. day/nightgame instead of going for a hail mary play on the girl in your post.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I have no idea what the fuck I just read.

[PowerGame]

This particular situation is like an experiment for me.

I don't know what to write if the whole post seems like a cluster fuck for you. I tried to state many facts.

I try it again and short :

I randomly met a woman. I only wanted to buy an item from her. When I saw her the first time I was surprised and started to game her. Soon I found out she obviously is in a ltr, but she kept ignoring him when he came down a couple of floors to interrupt our talk. He felt threatened and she obviously liked me. I am not inexperienced, I just never tried to game a taken woman who shows interest in me. (just to clarify) and just to add before there is any misinterpretation, I'm not in a dry spell, I am not disillusioned. She is like a challenge for me and I am the kind of guy who plans all steps ahead or none at all. That's the part of 'Noone who knows us should see us'

It was my mistake to mix a lot of thoughts in to the post.

And to answer the first post :
Of course she is being friendly but I'm not in the zone where she has no interest.

The article idea is nice but misplaced in that case because it's specialized and I would quickly become boring if I stay on this topic. I feel like I need to quickly go for a meet up.

And to clarify I already got the phone number and I was at her home where she invited me in.

I pinged her with a text to see if I'm disillusioned or if she is investing in me. Because if she stops talking in the form "I like to..." and switches it to " we like to.." she hints at the relationship, but I have seen many women talk like that and if they are not interested they don't answer at all. I see it as a shit test I need to ignore.

It was a private sale, think about like an ad in your local news paper if you want to get rid or your old bikes, but don't want to throw them away.


And to add : I'm never the 'friend', I never was, for no woman. My own character is not easy to handle and I never needed to hint a woman towards my intention of fucking. It never mattered if I failed in gaming or if I didn't like a woman.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Ok I get the gist of it, even though your posts are still quite convoluted. But I gotta say man, you're reading into this way too much. Her use of the word "we", as you stated, is a way of her letting you know that yes, shes taken, and no, she's not interested. That's my read on the situation.

Also, the nature of the interaction was transactional, and your continuation of the interaction past the point of sale telegraphs your interest, despite your protestations to the contrary. Frankly, it telegraphs more than interest. It's showing sheer desperation.

[PowerGame]

My intention was to get some knowledge in situations like this.
There must be some player here who understands the newb in me, who wants to see how far he can go. You make it sound like no one ever met someone by accident and made the switch from being polite to game.

If you can't see me being successful, see the whole setup as a mind experiment. What would you do? Would you let the situation pass before you hear a clear no? Wouldnt you even try?

I don't care if it works. I won't force anyone to believe me.

My own experience mainly consists of meeting women on my own,no social circle, and she is alone too. And to repeat I never tried to game when one was taken before.

After the transactional nature a stupid situation to start? Yes.

But if I won't get different feedback than "desperation", "more realistic "then I don't see any value in the game forum for myself right now..it's not like I came to the normal game forum and acted like a pseudo player who needs a reality check.

But I still need to thank you, because my interest question is answered.

[Rhyme or Reason]

It's not that you couldn't be successful gaming a chick you bought something from but this situation seemed DOA. If she was openly flirting with you (i know you said "she liked me and it was obvious" but you didn't clarify how or what was said) it would be a different story. Or if she replied warmly to your texts, then maybe there would be something there. So based on my assessment of what are the actual facts I'd say she has a low interest level... but maybe WIA or someone has experience here and can shed some more light.

[Artiste]

Mistitled thread; should be changed from 'How to proceed with a "we" girl' to 'how to bang a taken woman who isn't interested'.

Good posts from Red_Pillage here.

(06-13-2016 05:25 PM)PowerGame Wrote:  

My intention was to get some knowledge in situations like this.
There must be some player here who understands the newb in me, who wants to see how far he can go. You make it sound like no one ever met someone by accident and made the switch from being polite to game.

(06-13-2016 05:25 PM)PowerGame Wrote:  

...But if I won't get different feedback than "desperation", "more realistic "then I don't see any value in the game forum for myself right now..it's not like I came to the normal game forum and acted like a pseudo player who needs a reality check.

Your post is not congruent. Do you want feedback based on third-party objectivity, or is it rather validation you're chasing?

There is a massive difference between as you put it -- meeting "someone by accident and made the switch from being polite to game" -- and what you're actually doing, which is attempting to sleep with a woman who (1) you only met because of a private item sale, and (2) already has a serious boyfriend, (3) shows no signs of sexual interest in you.

On those notes:

- You keep saying that she is interested in you however I cannot see any evidence of that. None. In my opinion you are creating the evidence in your own mind in order to justify your own fixation.

- Whilst you admit "I just have 0 experience in this situation" you also continue to reiterate self-supporting statements such as "I am not inexperienced... I'm not in a dry spell, I am not disillusioned" however it seems clear to me that you do lack self-awareness and sexual abundance because otherwise you wouldn't be fixated on trying to hopelessly pursue a taken woman who isn't interested.

- Actively pursuing women with boyfriends is not 'cool'. Despite this forum's active Tinder and similar threads devoted to banging random lizards, I think you will also find a strong undercurrent of men who would love to find one amazing girl for dynasty-building -- and encouraging sleeping with taken women goes against this picture of fostering loyalty and commitment. As a young man sleeping with a taken woman may appeal to ego-driven pride ("yeah I'm the man, she has a boyfriend but I banged her haha") but over time this false confidence can lead to existential angst.

Yes there are some women in unhappy relationships who are actively seeking affairs however there is a big difference between that and trying to wiggle your way in with a clearly taken woman who isn't chasing you in any way. And even then I have a personal issue with the former context...

Admittedly I have slept with a few women who had boyfriends or more. In almost all cases they told me after the lay, however no matter what kind of reasoning I heard ("my husband doesn't love me anymore and I'm seeking a divorce", "he lives overseas" etc)... I always felt bad about it afterwards.

The best that many men will get to experience from this is a short, fleeting moment(s) of pleasure. What is more likely is a subsequent period of damage to your psyche, both in terms of your own integrity and your ability to trust women more broadly. These experiences messed with my head and even today I think has caused some issues, namely the difficulty for me to emotionally rely on a woman. Some may say this is good as I understand the 'true capacity of women' and can guard myself from inevitable pain, however in retrospect I would have preferred to have learned via reading cautionary tales rather than experiencing it in my face.

And then there is the real threat of violence. There is a saying 'Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned'. But usually it's not the scorned lady who murders the 'other woman'. Jealousy is an extremely powerful emotion and men have very strong biological hard-wired reactions to adultery. Personally I have little sympathy for the home-breaker who gets a beat down.

These days I am seeking to build a family myself, so there's even more reasons for me to avoid women with boyfriends like the plague.

When I meet a girl who says "sorry I have a boyfriend", I do NOT think "this is just a shit-test" and keep trying to escalate. Rather, I DO think "cool, this is a girl with a solid set of moral values--respect!" or "well she's cool anyway so maybe I'll catch up sometime as a friend, with her friends" or "no worries, lovely to meet her, bye".

(06-13-2016 08:33 AM)PowerGame Wrote:  

So where I would need help is 1) should I start showing more interest 2) ask for switch to mobile or keep it on app 3) quickly push for meet up or slowly 4) how should I act towards all that "we" talk (I just ignored it until now) and plan to answer like "dunno if your house can give back that love, but it's nice to own beautiful things " and of course.. 5) I have in mind: like going to a lake or river if I can close

I didn't think I'd have to resort to qouting Meghan Trainor at RvF, but "you need to let it go". Find some girls who (a) are single and (b) invest in you, before getting way ahead of yourself with theories about romance by the lake.

[RatInTheWoods]

(06-13-2016 10:15 PM)Artiste Wrote:  

Mistitled thread; should be changed from 'How to proceed with a "we" girl' to 'how to bang a taken woman who isn't interested'.

+1 for a thread name change.

Answer: you don't.

Reframe: there are 4 billion other women in the world, at least one of them is single and going to be interested in you. Go find her instead.

[PowerGame]

Thanks for the last text red_pillage

@artiste

Yes if I read it again, I am not congruent. I didn't expect to be treated like people in threads who write they cuddle with women a couple of times and can't or "don't want" to close. That really threw me off and made me rationalize into a defensive position. I'm not used to getting clear critic anymore, most people in my life avoid arguments at all or just try to shame you to conform.

For the experience sentence : I separate this kind of situation to my normal hookups. In this case here the sexual undertone was not obvious from the start, and normally I only work with situations where it's already crystal clear.

That means my lack of knowledge is the part of making a switch.

If you mean a couple of plates with lack of abundance that's right, but at least every week once or twice is taken care of my needs.

And it's a social taboo of showing more direct interest in me than pure body language after the boyfriend showed up. She was making the talk last longer, asking questions, writing long messages after the sale, because as all of you said it sounds stupid of me.. That's why I pinged her with a useless text to see the reaction. It sounded stupid to me, too. Of course she could just be a flirt.

Body language : short touches on my arm, typical eye or hair moves. Direct body language stopped soon. I did not initiate anything myself.

The moral part of this story, was always the reason I did not even try to chase a woman.. When a friend or someone of the social circle told me he has a crush on a woman.

These people did not even reach the age of 20, I'm definitely not destroying a family. And I'm also not a guy who will tell anyone in his own life about this stuff. The only part where my ego took over was the reaction In this thread which I even tried to cool down before posting.

And we can all agree.. Even if there's a chance I'm not even close to anything right now.

Where I Really need to thank you is that you tell me it's not worth it. I'm normally living a little bit more outside and always when Im in one of the University cities I just see a lot more degeneration.

And I found myself in a double standard where I think or thought these people in the hedonistic university lifestyle don't deserve the same moral actions as people in other surroundings do.

I said that it's hard for me to take personal interest in women, but my ability to rely on them is still working.
To sum it up 6 years ago everything started and now I'm at 5 relationships between 6-15 months, so at least half the time was spend in relationships, and like 20 casuals, which I would count. And like I said my experience consists of only going for women outside of my social circles and solo,everything day or online, night only dancing making out.

And for the last sentences : she never mentioned the bf she just implied it.. The guy could have been the roommate, but because of all the evidence he shouldn't be.

And the lake romances where what I used to do when I couldn't go to her, or to me.


But I will take your guys advices I delete the number and concentrate on more important stuff.