[Imperator.Morpheus]

Yes...after thinking about it, I realize I could have gone for the #; skipped the back & forth.

As I said, I was only recently easing back into the game. This is exactly what I'm trying to do; try techniques, burn out if I'm going to burn out (as the burned hand teaches best); and learn from it. Adapt. I want to see what does and doesn't work, so when I find & pursue one of those ultra rare quality girls I have a winning formula.

I don't pin high hopes to online dating; that was one useful thing Mr. "I know it all & OP's game sucks in every way" pointed out. Women in the early 20s age range have become flakier/vainer than they were back when I was that age. Their ideal hypergamous paradise sexual market comes ever closer to fruition.

I'm working on cold approaches, as that is a more level playing field for men. Online dating (as it exists today) will never rival a face to face encounter. Since I've been doing a very physical job for 3 yrs, I'm in shape; & recently started working out again. I would rate myself a 6 physically; a 7 when I put myself together. Before I dropped out of the market, in my prime, I had two hb9s fighting over me along with a few 7s; I know I'm capable.

XP, thanks again, brother, for the useful insights.

Mr. " I don't have one single flaw in my game," good for you, if that's true. Though, I'd argue (if only for humanity's sake) a truly flawless game is undesirable (I think making a couple of minor mistakes will strengthen appeal; gotta stay "real"). I do thank you for useful tips; such as refraining from all caps emphasis, emoticons, and "?!".....etc. However, calling them "dude" I will continue to do (unless they are feminine women). An alpha friend of mine does that all the time with no visible blowback. I also like it because it is a subliminal type thing wherein we are calling them out for being masculinized hybrid abominations. If I see evidence of it inducing blowback I'll refrain.

I'm not interested in becoming one of those guys defined by womanizing. All I want is to snatch quality women & enjoy each others' company; hopefully be able to have kids in a few years, and settle into a LTR (minus legal marriage). I'll probably have to go to Eastern Europe to do so.

The sexual market today is ideal for hookups; & sadly, about as far from ideal as one may imagine for meaningful romance. As roosh & roissy have said, Western women have been reduced to being wet holes. Ugly fucking creatures in their souls.

To do my share of political preaching: for the sake of European civilization (indeed, to preserve our existence), we need to reinstate the patriarchy & end womens' suffrage.

We are being conquered by Africans and Muslims (being imported by our own women) since we allowed them to feminize us to the point where they are openly calling for our destruction.

[Imperator.Morpheus]

Sheeeeyit, she had to have been 17-18 when she got knocked up. My guess is she intended to use the pregnancy to trap whichever bad boy impregnated her into marriage & her hamster rationalized it as "I don't believe in abortion hehe"; he called her bluff. Or, she cheated on him and he knew. Fucking hilarious, really.

Imho, I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with having children in their prime child bearing years. Obviously, it's a problem when left to their own devices; it must be within a healthy context. But better than women trying to have children in their mid 30s with 10% of their prime fertility.

She's an hb7 imo. As things progressed, (or, more accurately, regressed) I got the intuition she is nothing but trouble. Her voice is annoying (voicemail). I wasn't hoping for anything but a pump & dump; a "sugar mamma" I could go see after work before my commute (always having a kevlar condom to flush down a toilet bowl full of spermicide).

To whomever said she's a gold digger, no fuckin' joke, right? Notice how when I gave her 2 questions, she wanted to know my occupation ($$$) instead of my name, or something (incidentally, the top of my list for the "6 things I could never do without" on my okcupid profile is "gold diggers"). She later did that beta bait routine where she was whining about not owning a car & hoping to hope to find "the one" AND be married AND be building/buying a dream house within 5 years.

I find the way she (& most of the other single moms on okcupid) post pics of them with their bastard spawns to be repulsive & pathetic. A classic manifestation of projection, they are so delusional as to believe that adds to their appeal. Even if she finds some duck willing to financially care for her & her kid, her almost 2 yr old kid will be huffing gas under an overpass in 12 years; it's sad. Eternal soliphism of the female mind.

[Imperator.Morpheus]

Ok, boys, something interesting happened. An (apparent) total cutie sent me a message with her #, with instructions to text her if I'm interested. Then, it got more interesting a few hours later; she disabled her account. The next day, we started texting.

From nothing more than intuition, it seems she is more serious than 99% of the girls on there. She claims to be new to the online thing; says she's talked to 3 men from okcupid, myself being the third ("first one wanted to cheat on his wife, second wanted just sex, 3rd is one she's interested in currently & wants to get to know, me").

Based on the fact she disabled her account & the things she's said, it's as though she's already made up her mind I'm the guy she's focused on. For example, she said, "i want to tell you, I'm from a mixed race marriage (her parents)." I asked her if the photo on her profile was of someone else (she's white as can be, by appearance), she denied, and said "don't forget I told you that." To me, it's a sign she does think something might come of this.

After a few exchanges, I cut the conversation short, since I was at work & didn't see a clear direction in which to take it.

Anyhow, I'm unsure as to how best to proceed. She seems to be probing. She says she's a sales rep. The first thing she asked me was for my full name, to which I responded by telling her I'd tell her if she told me her's first, which she (apparently) did. So far, it's been a bland, basic q/a, back and forth.

She's 31. Too bad. She said she is caring for a sick mother out of country, asked if that bothered me (I ignored it altogether by switching the subject), and said "but I will be back to (our city) in a couple of weeks." She said she recently moved to our city.

I'm on guard about this & don't have high expectations. It seems strange to me. I know there isn't much to go with based on what I've said, but, any ideas? I'm thinking of trying to feel her out for an in person meet before I continue this back and forth. I've taken a restrained approach thus far.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Call her and make sure she's legit before heading over to give her the D.

[XPQ22]

(06-16-2016 05:48 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  

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I'm on guard about this & don't have high expectations. It seems strange to me. I know there isn't much to go with based on what I've said, but, any ideas? I'm thinking of trying to feel her out for an in person meet before I continue this back and forth. I've taken a restrained approach thus far.

I have no idea why this person targeted you, but "she" is so full of shit you could use her as a cesspool.

Online game is pretty straightforward. You open her. Or she opens you. You manage to BS for around 10-15 messages without her ghosting, and then you say "let's meet up. What's your schedule like?" And then she says "I'm free Thursday and Friday. Does that work for you?" And you say "Looks like Thursday would work for me, give me your # and I'll text you the details." Maybe BS with them a bit before the date via SMS or your texting app of choice. And then if they don't flake before Thursday, you meet them and game them in person.

This is the script that all my lays from online game have come from. There's been no deviation. If she starts giving you excuses or "maybes" or "I'm not sure what my schedule is like" or "well I'm pretty busy this week" it's a NO and you next them. Yes, even girls who open you will often start giving you excuses why they can't see you when you ask to meet. No, I don't really understand why they want to waste their time like this, but I try not to spend any time thinking about it. It may just mean that they found a better option in the meantime, oh well, nothing to be done.

Anything else is bullshit, and you're way better off just hitting up more girls until you find one who knows how to get with the fucking program.

[Imperator.Morpheus]

"Target you." I love it!

Yeah, something's not right. I'm nonetheless exchanging texts with "her." I'm adopting your approach henceforth and will attempt to set up the in person meet up before the gaming commences.

"She", so far, is asking questions consistent with a woman interested in romance. I'll get it sorted out. As soon as I'm asked for my social; or, to send a western union to "help their sick mom," I'll sprint for the high hills.

It's a shame okcupid is rife with scamsters & cheap hustlers nowadays. The "I realllly like you, so sign up for my sex(s)cam; but, don't worry, we'll meet up thereafter, I sweeeears! hehe" absolutely infest the place. Then we have young and attractive women 'recruiting' us to "join their orgy org." I am sure their "lonely hearts" schemes net lots of shekels.

I'll let you guys know what becomes of this supposed cutie who "targeted" me.

XP, women are indeed a trip. I believe they are beings we will never truly "know." They represent a true hivemind.

Since the beginning of our time, we have tried to find/add substance to these creatures who, by all indications, are vain & shallow. We keep digging and digging, convincing ourselves we see something more; it's a fool's errand, they are exactly what we see, and nothing more. Legit Red Pill shit.

[Turnus]

It could just be me, but I'm pretty sure she wants to steal your liver.

[XPQ22]

(06-17-2016 04:59 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  

It's a shame okcupid is rife with scamsters & cheap hustlers nowadays. The "I realllly like you, so sign up for my sex(s)cam; but, don't worry, we'll meet up thereafter, I sweeeears! hehe" absolutely infest the place. Then we have young and attractive women 'recruiting' us to "join their orgy org." I am sure their "lonely hearts" schemes net lots of shekels.

It happens to the best of us who do online game for any length of time. I've met up with probably ~40 women from online game in the past year, and I'm pretty certain at least three or four of them were DL hookers looking for a quid pro quo. I did get a BJ from one of them though for a total cost of two drinks and an hour of conversation at a hotel bar, I guess just because she enjoyed my company and even working girls want to feel like they're "normal people" sometimes and not constantly selling it to chodes. There's some technical term I read here once for getting hookers to work for free, I forget what it was though.

At least one, possibly two girls I banged were married...the best looking girl I hooked up with from online was back in late February and she dropped that one on me after the fact, haha.

As you say, it certainly changes your perspective. There are some diamonds in the rough though, out of those 40 or so girls I'd say around a third just seemed like "normal" girls who were looking for new dick, and three or four of them both liked me enough and were quality enough from my perspective for me to want to hang on to for a while. The common theme with those was that none of them had been using the sites/apps for a significant length of time, or had recently re-activated their account after a long absence. But the rest...yeah. That's why hard screening is so important.

The true eye-opener was that the solid "8" who was married was one of the easiest girls to game out of all of them, simply because she had been in a LTR for X number of years and had limited options. Fucking easy street, two hours of conversation in a bar and she was begging me to take her home. It was a vision of what I remember years ago, pulling girls who went out to clubs alone, when young women hadn't had their egos blown up to the heavens with unlimited options, or what it might be like for me elsewhere. Shocking what thirst and lack of options can do to a young woman, even a hot one.

[Imperator.Morpheus]

XP, it is incredible what happens after their ego's shrink. They almost become pleasant.

I believe some parts of Eastern Europe to be the last place we can find women worth the effort (paradoxically, less effort is needed). One well-rounded, attractive, classic feminine woman would beat 100 of our trophies, IMO. Naturally, bringing them to America would be a risky idea.

Update regarding this recent solicitation. Numerous questions consistent with a woman interested in romance (I tried calling instead; just says their service is currently unavailable; 'she' told me try again, then said 'she' guesses 'she' can only text atm, which is theoretically...or conveniently, plausible, given 'her' alleged current location).

"'She' followed her heart" (asked what made 'her' contact me). Says "'she' is very serious about getting to know me," blah blah blah.

Apparently, has gone into "ghost mode" after I tried to set up a meet up after 'she' returns to the US from caring for 'her' sick mother in...Africa. Tonight's the second night of radio silence.

Now, I know you'd probably next 'her." Seeing as I don't mind letting it simmer (or fizzle) in the background, should I send a text in a few more days to try to break the ice? If so, what would be a good thing to say? For obvious reasons, I'd prefer not having to do so.

[Imperator.Morpheus]

(I'm guessing) final update: I now believe it was a woman, after all, & was as represented.

It's been about a week since she went silent, after I suggested we meet when she returns to the USA. She had said one of the 2 guys other than myself she had "met" online was interested exclusively in sex; perhaps she thought my pushing to meet "before we knew each other" (she kept stressing how "serious" she was about wanting to get to know me) equated the same thing, or something. Hamsters!

She had been escalating the way she "spoke" to me. Claimed she followed her heart and it was love at first sight (to which I said "hmmm" & changed the subject). Then said she wanted to start a family with me whenever she got back to the states. It was in that context I said we should meet. I was starting to think she was one of those crazier chicks.

Since I wasn't convinced I was actually texting a woman & thought it was a scam, I almost took an anti-game approach. Bland back and forth Q&A's. I was the one who sent less texts, less lengthy texts, had longer response times, and ignored most of her questions.

Nonetheless, for whatever reason(s), even though she solicited me, she is the one who went silent. If anything changes, I'll post an update.

[XPQ22]

(06-24-2016 10:14 PM)Imperator.Morpheus Wrote:  

(I'm guessing) final update: I now believe it was a woman, after all, & was as represented.

It's been about a week since she went silent, after I suggested we meet when she returns to the USA. She had said one of the 2 guys other than myself she had "met" online was interested exclusively in sex; perhaps she thought my pushing to meet "before we knew each other" (she kept stressing how "serious" she was about wanting to get to know me) equated the same thing, or something. Hamsters!

She had been escalating the way she "spoke" to me. Claimed she followed her heart and it was love at first sight (to which I said "hmmm" & changed the subject). Then said she wanted to start a family with me whenever she got back to the states. It was in that context I said we should meet. I was starting to think she was one of those crazier chicks.

Since I wasn't convinced I was actually texting a woman & thought it was a scam, I almost took an anti-game approach. Bland back and forth Q&A's. I was the one who sent less texts, less lengthy texts, had longer response times, and ignored most of her questions.

Nonetheless, for whatever reason(s), even though she solicited me, she is the one who went silent. If anything changes, I'll post an update.

Ah! I think I found her picture:

[LeeEnfield303]

Quote:

I don't take phone numbers of girls who don't agree to dates - I always pitch the date on the site and THEN ask for the phone number for logistics. When you get a phone number without getting at least a tentative commitment you have to re-game them via text, and young girls will often give out their phone number to anyone. Without her agreeing a phone # is almost as worthless as one you grabbed from night game. I don't need my phone clogged up with more flakey numbers

Solid gold.