[MasterCanvas]

Recently, I was at a local Chinese restaurant and my waitress was pretty cute. I asked her for some extra lemons and she brought them over. When she did I went very direct and asked if she had to work all night and if she wanted to do something after work. I got her number and texted her later in the night. I was getting what I thought was a very clear signal of “ I want to fuck you tonight”, which later come to find out was, “ I want to fuck you”. Big difference. So, I had the wrong game plan going in. The text exchange was something like.

Me: Hey, this is the guy from the restaurant tonight.
FOB: hi, i remember you
Me: What time do you get off
FOB: 11, too late, right?
Me: Come over and have a glass of wine. We can watch a movie
FOB: i can’t too tired
Me: Too bad I was going to let you sleep her tonight since you are tired
FOB: Bye
Me: Bye

This was the end of that. I scared the cat and got my signs crossed, but you live and learn. It won’t happen again.

I went to another party at the same place a few weeks after the first and was talking to everyone. I managed to talk to a cute chick with piercing and great style. She is actually an aesthetician, and a former school teacher. We talked in the middle of the night and then went our separate ways when she said she wanted to go talk to one of her friends. I was seated and just having conversations with anyone that was coming to talk to me so it was not a problem. We mostly talked about fashion and I got her input into what I should be wearing and where to shop. As the night was winding down and she was leaving she came over to say good bye to me. I told her to give me her number so she could take me shopping soon and she complied. I have texted her a few times and she keeps saying we will go out sometime soon. I am not really stressing it, and I never text her over the weekend as to give her the idea I do not have plans. Which normally, I do anyways.

I had a date Friday with a girl I have been texting for a while from POF. We made plans a few times during the week, but it was Mother’s Day, and she had plans too late in the day. So we finally meet up on Friday. I pick her up from her house and we go back to my place. I told her I had a rough week and just wanted to be boring. So we ordered pizza and watched Netflix. It was a little bad on my part because of all the LMR. I kept getting pulled away, and I have not experienced it much before so I let it keep happening. I had the wrong mind set entirely and was trying to bang on the first date instead of letting it happen naturally. I learned that you want to push the boundaries, but never to be told no or pulled away. Maybe once or twice, but not always. I could keep my hands inside her panty line, but if I moved she would pull me away. She was not into kissing either, so it was kind of different for me. Usually a girl will kiss you or even want to kiss you, but it seemed very minimal. I think I should have just waited until the second or third date to try and do anything more, but I wanted to learn a lesson from this so I tried a lot of ideas to gather information. I froze her out and didn’t touch her at all. She began to cuddle with me more, that is a good sign. Still too much LMR and do play. Later I tried to turn her on by say “let me eat your pussy?” “Do you want me to eat you out?” This blew up in my face and she said she had to go home. I told her I would take her in the morning, but she could call a cab or uber. I wanted to see if she would break and it was already 1:00 am and I was exhausted. She ended up calling a friend to come and pick her up and I’ll defiantly never see her again. Oh well, I gained so much more information doing that then anything else.

I had a date Saturday with a girl I met off of POF. I’ve learned that if you find a girl online. The best advice is to not ask about a date immediately or even the number. You should probably talk to them all day and maybe another day on that text site and then ask for the number. Later when the time is right ask about a date. It may be time consuming, but it doesn’t scare the cat. So, I meet this girl Saturday at a Starbucks. We talk for about two hours and she is loving me. I have to do all the talking and she says she is nervous. I am touching her leg almost regularly and she says that is why she is nervous. I think it is just deniability, but maybe I was doing it too much. They say not to do constantly, and I wasn’t, but still; I need to work on that. We go out to the parking lot to see a movie and we start to hug and she puts her head into my chest because it is a little cool. I lean into kiss her and she turns her head. I stopped, but as we are standing there I tell her I want a kiss first. She does kiss me and then we move to the movie. I put my hand on her back as we walk to the movie and I buy her ticket. A little back story, this girl and I have had a few weeks of text exchange and we have done all you can do via telephone; pictures, phone sex, videos. So, we are fairly acquainted with each other. We get into the movie theater and I move the arm rest out of the way, and pull her towards me. She cuddles with me for a while then we start to kiss. I touch her face and she strokes my junk a few times. I start whispering what I going to do to her and she does the same. She had previously said we had to wait three dates to hook up. Needless to say, we left before the movie was half way over. I rented a hotel for the night and I got my first Guatemalan flag and first date bang. I feel pretty good. The Friday night prep really paid off because I wasn’t forcing my hands on her and she was very open. Almost no LMR, she would put my hand on her pussy and after a few seconds tell me no, I thought this was funny. Another note, we really never made out with our tongue down each other’s throat, lol I guess some girls don’t need that or something. Kind of similar to the Friday night date.

I need your guy’s advice and suggestions of what to do about what I’ve told you, or any comments.

I got a girls number at work the other day. She was one of the caterers, and I had very little time to pull the girl. We had about an elevator ride down and then back up. I was chatting with her about where the place she worked, and why it was so far away from the city. She said she went to school in the city. I continued ramble with other hobbies of mine, amateur photography, and opportunity photo shoots. I compared her ride from school to work with mine and told her what my major was. On the ride up I asked her what her major was and suggested she was a web page designer. I made sure to phrase questions without questions and had good frame. I asked her for her number and said we should go out on a date soon. She gave it to me and I texted her two days later, but still no response.

Me: Hey, this is Canvas. We met at “work” the other day. How’s your day going?

Was this the wrong thing to say; I mean I know every other guy is going to ask how her day is going, but I wanted it to be cat friendly and be easy to respond too. Any help is greatly appreciated because I will re try again Monday or Tuesday.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-15-2016 01:05 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

Recently, I was at a local Chinese restaurant and my waitress was pretty cute. I asked her for some extra lemons and she brought them over. When she did I went very direct and asked if she had to work all night and if she wanted to do something after work. I got her number and texted her later in the night. I was getting what I thought was a very clear signal of “ I want to fuck you tonight”, which later come to find out was, “ I want to fuck you”. Big difference. So, I had the wrong game plan going in. The text exchange was something like.

Me: Hey, this is the guy from the restaurant tonight.
FOB: hi, i remember you
Me: What time do you get off
FOB: 11, too late, right?
Me: Come over and have a glass of wine. We can watch a movie
FOB: i can’t too tired
Me: Too bad I was going to let you sleep her tonight since you are tired
FOB: Bye
Me: Bye

This was the end of that. I scared the cat and got my signs crossed, but you live and learn. It won’t happen again.

No calibration, no game.

(05-15-2016 01:05 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I went to another party at the same place a few weeks after the first and was talking to everyone. I managed to talk to a cute chick with piercing and great style. She is actually an aesthetician, and a former school teacher. We talked in the middle of the night and then went our separate ways when she said she wanted to go talk to one of her friends. I was seated and just having conversations with anyone that was coming to talk to me so it was not a problem. We mostly talked about fashion and I got her input into what I should be wearing and where to shop. As the night was winding down and she was leaving she came over to say good bye to me. I told her to give me her number so she could take me shopping soon and she complied. I have texted her a few times and she keeps saying we will go out sometime soon. I am not really stressing it, and I never text her over the weekend as to give her the idea I do not have plans. Which normally, I do anyways.

No game here either. You had a conversation, but you should have been trying to do more than just get her number, or take her straight to bed.

Floundering.

(05-15-2016 01:05 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I had a date Friday with a girl I have been texting for a while from POF. We made plans a few times during the week, but it was Mother’s Day, and she had plans too late in the day. So we finally meet up on Friday. I pick her up from her house and we go back to my place. I told her I had a rough week and just wanted to be boring. So we ordered pizza and watched Netflix. It was a little bad on my part because of all the LMR. I kept getting pulled away, and I have not experienced it much before so I let it keep happening. I had the wrong mind set entirely and was trying to bang on the first date instead of letting it happen naturally. I learned that you want to push the boundaries, but never to be told no or pulled away. Maybe once or twice, but not always. I could keep my hands inside her panty line, but if I moved she would pull me away. She was not into kissing either, so it was kind of different for me. Usually a girl will kiss you or even want to kiss you, but it seemed very minimal. I think I should have just waited until the second or third date to try and do anything more, but I wanted to learn a lesson from this so I tried a lot of ideas to gather information. I froze her out and didn’t touch her at all. She began to cuddle with me more, that is a good sign. Still too much LMR and do play. Later I tried to turn her on by say “let me eat your pussy?” “Do you want me to eat you out?” This blew up in my face and she said she had to go home. I told her I would take her in the morning, but she could call a cab or uber. I wanted to see if she would break and it was already 1:00 am and I was exhausted. She ended up calling a friend to come and pick her up and I’ll defiantly never see her again. Oh well, I gained so much more information doing that then anything else.

Don't know what the POF messages were, you baited and switched her.

Bad game.

(05-15-2016 01:05 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I had a date Saturday with a girl I met off of POF. I’ve learned that if you find a girl online. The best advice is to not ask about a date immediately or even the number. You should probably talk to them all day and maybe another day on that text site and then ask for the number. Later when the time is right ask about a date. It may be time consuming, but it doesn’t scare the cat. So, I meet this girl Saturday at a Starbucks. We talk for about two hours and she is loving me. I have to do all the talking and she says she is nervous. I am touching her leg almost regularly and she says that is why she is nervous. I think it is just deniability, but maybe I was doing it too much. They say not to do constantly, and I wasn’t, but still; I need to work on that. We go out to the parking lot to see a movie and we start to hug and she puts her head into my chest because it is a little cool. I lean into kiss her and she turns her head. I stopped, but as we are standing there I tell her I want a kiss first. She does kiss me and then we move to the movie. I put my hand on her back as we walk to the movie and I buy her ticket. A little back story, this girl and I have had a few weeks of text exchange and we have done all you can do via telephone; pictures, phone sex, videos. So, we are fairly acquainted with each other. We get into the movie theater and I move the arm rest out of the way, and pull her towards me. She cuddles with me for a while then we start to kiss. I touch her face and she strokes my junk a few times. I start whispering what I going to do to her and she does the same. She had previously said we had to wait three dates to hook up. Needless to say, we left before the movie was half way over. I rented a hotel for the night and I got my first Guatemalan flag and first date bang. I feel pretty good. The Friday night prep really paid off because I wasn’t forcing my hands on her and she was very open. Almost no LMR, she would put my hand on her pussy and after a few seconds tell me no, I thought this was funny. Another note, we really never made out with our tongue down each other’s throat, lol I guess some girls don’t need that or something. Kind of similar to the Friday night date.

Reluctant game here. You got the lay, but it's more about persistence than finesse.

(05-15-2016 01:05 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I got a girls number at work the other day. She was one of the caterers, and I had very little time to pull the girl. We had about an elevator ride down and then back up. I was chatting with her about where the place she worked, and why it was so far away from the city. She said she went to school in the city. I continued ramble with other hobbies of mine, amateur photography, and opportunity photo shoots. I compared her ride from school to work with mine and told her what my major was. On the ride up I asked her what her major was and suggested she was a web page designer. I made sure to phrase questions without questions and had good frame. I asked her for her number and said we should go out on a date soon. She gave it to me and I texted her two days later, but still no response.

Me: Hey, this is Canvas. We met at “work” the other day. How’s your day going?

Was this the wrong thing to say; I mean I know every other guy is going to ask how her day is going, but I wanted it to be cat friendly and be easy to respond too. Any help is greatly appreciated because I will re try again Monday or Tuesday.

- girl from work - strike 1
- getting her # before you actually make plans - strike 2
- reminding her who you are on the text - strike 3

You literally do not know what you're doing.

You're dating. That's fine, but that's not game.

You're putting yourself in the situation, and then forcing the chick to make a decision. You're not actually paying attention to the context or the chick.

The one bang you had was because you put in the work.

What you want to do is cram everything you did with the Guatemalan girl into the brief interactions you have with all of these other girls.

You need to read a book on the subject.
Magic Bullets, Mystery Method, = something serious that explains what the girl is feeling at each point, what you want her to feel, and how you get her to do so.

Otherwise, the chick is looking past your faults and choosing to sleep with you. That's why you're dealing with all the resistance, these girls are not ready to bang.

WIA

[MasterCanvas]

Thank you for the advice. I completely agree; I have very little to no game at the moment and know little to nothing about what I am doing right or wrong. I try to analyze after every situation to see where I went wrong. I know the FOB wanted me to make plans for another day and give her an option as to let her still be the decider. My thought is that most want to date the guy even if it is for sex. I am trying to calibrate now, and I think I am doing better, but I still need a lot of help. As of today I have read: Mystery Method, The Game, The Natural, and Day Bang. I haven’t tried Magic Bullets, but I have heard of it from a friend that turned me onto Mystery Method. I will download it and listen to it next week.

The POF messages were clear that I just wanted to stay in and order pizza. I don’t think it was a bait and switch, probably just bad game, and she wanted another date. I could be wrong, but still it was bad game on my part. I am not very experienced with trying to get sex from dates. Usually it is a casual friend, or a FWB that I have had sex with. I don’t date normally, but I am trying it out because that is how you get laid now a days. I really don’t know what I am doing, but I can learn guaranteed.

The girl from work is not someone I work with; she is from another company and I just had to take her through the building to cater for a meeting. I am a client coordinator for a large company. Am I not supposed to remind her who I am in the text? I had no idea; this is just inexperience. What should the opening text look like? Thank you for all of your help here.

I had no idea you should make plans before you ask for the girls number. I said something like, “So, you are always in the city for school, give me your number and we can go out on a date sometime”. I guess that is not definite plans and I should try to dial in an exact option.

I think I still have a good chance with this girl; I was reading the context of the situation pretty well, and she went quite personal soon in the conversation. She was baiting me with material where I had to ask personal questions at some point. I tried to do as little as possible, but it happened naturally at the end. You’re right though I did not like my close. It was what I chalked up to time constraint, but it should have been better.

I am trying to change any problems that arise. I need to reread everything I have so far, but I have only been at it for a month now, and I have experienced the best as of yet. Thanks WIA.

[Valentine]

You don't always have to make a solid plan for the date but it definitely helps get them invested and see if they'll be a flake or not.

+1 on Magic Bullets. Reread the model again and again til all you can think about is what emotional progression stage you're in and what you should be doing.

I wouldn't bother analysing your sets too deeply at this point, you're literally throwing anything at the wall and hoping that it sticks. You haven't got the experience yet to decipher what works and what doesn't and may come to false conclusions.

Instead I'd record all of the sets down in a journal and after you've had a few more bangs only then try to analyse where you went wrong.

Good job on taking action straight away. I know for the first month when I found Game I was just reading, keep up a good ratio of at least 2:1 approaching to reading time.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

As of today I have read: Mystery Method, The Game, The Natural, and Day Bang. I haven’t tried Magic Bullets, but I have heard of it from a friend that turned me onto Mystery Method. I will download it and listen to it next week.

When we say calibrate, we usually mean in the moment.
Right now you're a lost bull in a china shop.

We all started there, so no worries.

A regular guy sees a girl, approaches, gets number and then tries to call number to get girl on a date. He thinks liquor is quicker, so he invites her to a bar for drinks, and then hope he can get her home to bang her.

The player, the pua, the guy with game does not do anything by accident, or by chance.

Not every word you're going to say is scripted, but the sub-communication will be the same every single time.

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

The POF messages were clear that I just wanted to stay in and order pizza. I don’t think it was a bait and switch, probably just bad game, and she wanted another date. I could be wrong, but still it was bad game on my part. I am not very experienced with trying to get sex from dates. Usually it is a casual friend, or a FWB that I have had sex with. I don’t date normally, but I am trying it out because that is how you get laid now a days. I really don’t know what I am doing, but I can learn guaranteed.

Pizza and a movie is not the same as you trying to put your dick in her, which is what happened. That was the bait and switch.

She was probably expecting pizza, movie, and a little making out - but that's not what you had in mind.

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

The girl from work is not someone I work with; she is from another company and I just had to take her through the building to cater for a meeting. I am a client coordinator for a large company. Am I not supposed to remind her who I am in the text? I had no idea; this is just inexperience. What should the opening text look like? Thank you for all of your help here.

We all have jobs. The reason you don't mess with clients, vendors, co-workers, bosses - is that you don't have the skills or the experience to see the angles.

As for the text, you need to cement your name/id/# when you get the #.

You get this by getting her to invest on the first meet.
The investment is getting her to agree to a date.

This is not the only way, you don't always need a firm date commitment when you get a # - but the key is that you're an actual figure in her life - not just some random guy.

The younger and hotter a chick is, the higher impact you have to make.

In a situation with someone that you work with, like this one, getting her out of the work frame of mind is the sort of thing you need to do.

So when an average guy chats her up, it's usually
- work stuff
- jokey joke
- work stuff
- joke...
- lemme get your #.
^the guy works up some basic attraction, maybe not even sexual attraction, then goes for the close. Sometimes you have to do this because you don't have a lot of time to make an impression -but good game finds a way to get "maximum impact".

You want the girl to not stop thinking about you after the first time you meet her.

Again, this is the ideal, and we all fall short of it. However most average guys and guys in the game don't realize that this is what they're aiming for. But by aiming that high, by trying do more, you get much better results.

So in the above sequence, you talking to a client, showing her around

The chick's mind is still really in work mode. You need her to break character and be "real" with you. Not just joking to make the time go by faster.

You've got to break her mental routine and see you as a Man.

That's a bit of the secret sauce and what separates you from average guys.

Breaking her out of her thought pattern is what you need to do when she's on the train, when she's at the club and on her phone, when she's out on a date with you yapping about work.

Sometimes it's what you say, sometimes it's what you don't say, silences. It could be interrupting her...

The words aren't so important. The moves and tactics aren't so important.

It's breaking through her programming.

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I had no idea you should make plans before you ask for the girls number. I said something like, “So, you are always in the city for school, give me your number and we can go out on a date sometime”. I guess that is not definite plans and I should try to dial in an exact option.

You don't need to make major plans.

A successful player has a sequence.
- we'll meet for coffee, i'll talk about my stamp collection.
- walk by the museums/shops and a stamp shop
- have drinks at this place, i've got this really cool stamp
- oh, what do you know, we're right by my place.

Have one really good "date" and then use it over and over again.

The key to the date is that you're turning a stranger into a lover. You do this by basically breaking her out of her stiff/formal self at the beginning of the date, to someone you've known forever by the end of the date.

You can get laid w/o all this "stuff"
But if you want to run game, what you're doing is all these background things that help the girl to see how cool you are, and she'll be glad that she met you.

All the pieces of the puzzle fit.

Outside of the "sequence" - you understand how she feels throughout the date - so you can start experimenting with new ways to give her those same feelings.

Deep down, if she agrees to even talk to you, that's her subconscious deeming you worthy enough to fuck. Her conscious mind is looking for flaws, that's why she tests you.

Structuring the date, structuring the encounter, making sure you hit certain emotions within her is how you basically get her to want to fuck you.

That's the game.

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I think I still have a good chance with this girl; I was reading the context of the situation pretty well, and she went quite personal soon in the conversation. She was baiting me with material where I had to ask personal questions at some point. I tried to do as little as possible, but it happened naturally at the end. You’re right though I did not like my close. It was what I chalked up to time constraint, but it should have been better.

She's trying to find out who you are. Maybe she's trying to find some flaw.

If you avoid questions, go silent, never answer - that's cool for a little bit - but what you want is to answer her questions in a way that get you closer to your goal.

Chick asks - "How old are you" - she's looking for a reason to rule you out
Player - "Guess"
Chick says "something"

Player - "Wow you're pretty good, have you always been this perceptive?"

A) You're pretty good - answers her question w/o answering it
B) The "have you always been perceptive" - is a way to dig in to her personality.

So that shows her that you're paying attention to the real her.
She gets a chance to show off.
You get a chance to turn the topic away from your age.

And now that she's in the frame of being a Perception Expert - you can test her perception about different things. And now she wants to prove how perceptive she is - you throw out different scenarios.

She's complying to your wishes. - And that's also something you want.

This sounds super complicated right now, but it's because you're emerging from the haze of the blue pill.

But the game is being in the conversation, but steering it to places that you want it to go. This is in a one-one situation with a girl, 2 girls, 3 girls, mixed sets, a group of guys, work, interviews, man on the street.

Same thing over and over again.

(05-15-2016 02:38 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

I am trying to change any problems that arise. I need to reread everything I have so far, but I have only been at it for a month now, and I have experienced the best as of yet. Thanks WIA.

2 things I'd recommend

1) Magic Bullets - that's all over the web
2) Juggler Method.

That's the tip of the iceberg.

Welcome to the game.

WIA

[MasterCanvas]

Thanks for the advice Valentine. I will defiantly be reading Magic Bullets this week and rereading Mystery Method. I remember the emotional involvement that you want is attraction, comfort, isolation, and escalation. Or, I may be wrong in this assumption. I try to do this with DHV, over exaggerated negs, and role reversals most often to create attraction. Good body language and holding the conversation threads until their climax then release. I try and warm up the room, and gain as much social proof as possible as well. Then I talk about family, or local shops, venues that are changing, art, all while still working in bait like travel and hobbies. I always make sure I leave string out and make it easy to respond to the conversation. This has garnered great results at parties, and often I am the most social person there. I have not been able to get an ONS from this, probably because my seduction is bad, though I haven’t isolated anyone as of yet.

I have horrible night club game as of now. I went to a club the other week, and focused on dancing and interacting with girls. There were a few that danced with me, one I should have isolated, but I am kind of bored with her type so I thanked her and danced over to another girl. I was thinking about talking to the groups of girls at the bar, but I went completely blank. I couldn’t remember a single thing about openers from Mystery Method all of a sudden, and I just never did approach. I should have tried and failed, but this is a club I want to frequent eventually, and I didn’t want to make a fool of myself so soon.

I have been keeping a detailed track of my approaches, some good, some bad, but I only have more questions about the bad ones. An example: while at the night club I am dancing around the dance floor listening to the music and this girl starts to grind on me, I am already dancing so I touch her waist and she pulls away. I ask her from the behind and to the side if she wants to dance with me and she ignores me. I made sure I spoke loudly and had great tone, but I was ignored. She then begins to whip her hair in my face as she dances in front of me. My best assumption is that she wanted me to approach her from the front and talk to her. Would y’all gather this conclusion? Anyways I get in front of her and forget about her. Oh well. I thought about this once I got home, and it really got on my nerves.

Thanks again Valentine! I will keep my ratio up; I try to get at least a new number every day. This way I will always have someone to call and try game on. Every turn there is a new girl to approach.

Thanks for the advice WIA. I have really been trying to critic myself and find girls to try these newly discovered techniques on. I have had a few failures, but no real experience under my belt. I still need more time to learn the knowledge, but good field training can do that better than anything else I hear. So I have been hitting the pavement.
I understand what you mean with the bait and switch now. She was probably thinking that was all that was going to happen. I had the wrong frame of mind in play I think too. I was going in to try anything to get her to have sex, instead I should have understood the context and calibrated to the best scenario for sex.

I have never thought about getting her out of the work mind set. I will defiantly try to do that in the future if the opportunity arises. Often, I find myself wanting to hit on the cute waitress or shop girl so this will come in handy. I try not to start anything with the girls in my company, though it seems like everyone else is already. We have five floors of gorgeous post graduate girls that are smart and well to do. It is kind of hard to say no to myself some times. I have had three give me their number for office reasons, but I don’t think they don’t understand what they are doing. I haven’t received one guy’s number for office related things, and there are twice as many of them.
I will work on hitting girls emotional levels throughout our interactions, and understand what and where I am in the conversation. I will use the perception conversation one day soon.

I find myself practicing my speeches in my spare time. It’s not necessarily exactly what I will say, but just what sounds good together. I have actually used one I have practiced so far. The scenario is I am taking pictures, and a girl walks up to me and asks what I am shooting. All in all I tell her I am shooting outdoor scenic photos for a school project, and I love how the low light looks during this time of day. I ask her if she does photography. Wait for her answer. Then I tell her I have been exploring the city looking for opportunity photo shoots. Wait for response. It was the some of the same lines I used with the girl in the elevator, and I thought it sounded pretty well in context.

Since she is on radio silence right now I think I will let the text bake until Wednesday afternoon. I texted her Thursday around 4:00, and I didn’t expect to hear from her during the weekend. I am not sure what to text to reopen though. Will anything work, or should I just delete and try again with a new chick?

I will be back in the books this week.

Thanks for all the advice WIA!

[Valentine]

(05-15-2016 11:32 PM)MasterCanvas Wrote:  

Thanks for the advice Valentine. I will defiantly be reading Magic Bullets this week and rereading Mystery Method. I remember the emotional involvement that you want is attraction, comfort, isolation, and escalation. Or, I may be wrong in this assumption. I try to do this with DHV, over exaggerated negs, and role reversals most often to create attraction. Good body language and holding the conversation threads until their climax then release. I try and warm up the room, and gain as much social proof as possible as well. Then I talk about family, or local shops, venues that are changing, art, all while still working in bait like travel and hobbies. I always make sure I leave string out and make it easy to respond to the conversation. This has garnered great results at parties, and often I am the most social person there. I have not been able to get an ONS from this, probably because my seduction is bad, though I haven’t isolated anyone as of yet.

I have horrible night club game as of now. I went to a club the other week, and focused on dancing and interacting with girls. There were a few that danced with me, one I should have isolated, but I am kind of bored with her type so I thanked her and danced over to another girl. I was thinking about talking to the groups of girls at the bar, but I went completely blank. I couldn’t remember a single thing about openers from Mystery Method all of a sudden, and I just never did approach. I should have tried and failed, but this is a club I want to frequent eventually, and I didn’t want to make a fool of myself so soon.

I have been keeping a detailed track of my approaches, some good, some bad, but I only have more questions about the bad ones. An example: while at the night club I am dancing around the dance floor listening to the music and this girl starts to grind on me, I am already dancing so I touch her waist and she pulls away. I ask her from the behind and to the side if she wants to dance with me and she ignores me. I made sure I spoke loudly and had great tone, but I was ignored. She then begins to whip her hair in my face as she dances in front of me. My best assumption is that she wanted me to approach her from the front and talk to her. Would y’all gather this conclusion? Anyways I get in front of her and forget about her. Oh well. I thought about this once I got home, and it really got on my nerves.

Thanks again Valentine! I will keep my ratio up; I try to get at least a new number every day. This way I will always have someone to call and try game on. Every turn there is a new girl to approach.

The dancefloor is not a good place for talking. Let your body do all of the talking.

I used to do pretty well there when I drank a lot and ran strong caveman game.

If a girl grinds on you definitely go to grab her waist reflexively. That's a good habit. The fact that she moved away after doing so is just luck of the draw, I wouldn't read into it too much.

You sound like you have a good head on you. Post in the Players Lounge more of your nights in the future as well.

[MasterCanvas]

I went out with the pierced aesthetician Wednesday night. Our schedules kept us from going out multiple times, and she was quite the questionnaire. I would make plans in the middle of the city, and she would comment about parking and traffic. I would decide on a bar, and she would say she wanted food. I did all of this the day of the date; so as to not have it flaked on, but we had to push it a few days in between for work related happenstances. We ended up at a bar that serves sandwiches in a pretty trendy part of the city; she actually choose this place. I don’t think I handled this properly, and I lost the upper hand in so many ways, but I didn’t scare the cat and get nothing for my efforts. I don’t know if this was the right play or not, but I digress. We go to this bar. It is raining the night of the date, and I have an umbrella luckily. We walk to the bar, and I try to lead her with my hand on her back, but she if standoffish. I only try it once. At the bar we are forced to sit across from one another. Our conversation is going well enough. We talk about family, friends, the mental thought and psyche of people, literature, travel, she is really into talking about her future and current business endeavors. I have heard these are good topics, but you should talk about relationships and sex as well as these. I couldn’t think of a natural transition for the conversation to go there; so I didn’t push it. I have talked maybe 15% of the date, and she is a chatter box. We spend 3 hours in the bar, and she calls it a night after. I really felt like she took me out. I’m kind of embarrassed as I write this, but I can learn from it. I try to put my hand on her back to walk her to our cars, but she pulls away. It was only for a second so maybe it was normal to resist this kino. We walk to my truck and she gives me a hug; tells me she had a great time. The end. I didn’t say we should do this again, but she said she had a great time during the date too, and was glad that she came out with me. I don’t think this will turn into a second date, but I’ll text her today and see.

I am talking to a chick on OKC now and we have plans for next Friday. I am going to take her to a place and have a few drinks. I hope to run normal game on this girl and escalate.

I went back to the Chinese buffet last night, and talked to the FOB from the previous post. I opened with excuse me; do you remember me? She said she recognized me, but I was dressed different. I had on my dress casual wear from the office; when previously I was in jeans and an A-shirt. She said I looked good, and we had some trouble communicating I just came from work. She doesn’t speak good enough English to really have a great conversation. I said she didn’t return my calls, and she says she cannot talk on the phone at work. I ask her if she is busy this weekend, and she says she works all weekend. I tell her we should go out when she is free. She says when she is free she will. I leave and pay my bill. I tip 1 dollar; which may have cost me a lot more, but I figured 1 dollar for a buffet is normal, and I’m trying to game the girl. If she was a stripper you wouldn’t give her a cent. Anyways, I text her that night so she can’t radio silence me in two days. It is a weird conversation because I don’t really know how to approach this one since I fucked it up so bad last time. Here is a little more background about the texting and such:

I have messed this up before, and actually sent her a dick pic and video of me. lol.. She was on radio silence so I figured it would give me a laugh. I went to the restaurant last night, and seen her again so I started a conversation. She didn’t bring up the dick pics or anything; just that I looked good, and we should do something one night when she is free. I’m stuck on text right now; here is the conversation:

Canvas: Hey, this is (DHV Fake Name). I seen you at the restaurant tonight. How r u, cutie?
FOB: No bad
Canvas: That’s good. We should go out when you are free one night. I know a few places in the city open until 12. What do u like to do for fun?
FOB: You’re too stingy, only give me 1 doller for tip
Canvas: I will give you more next time maybe. How can I make it up to you?
FOB: I don’t know
Canvas: I can think of a few ways, but it will have to wait until next week. I am throwing a party this weekend with a lot of my friends. You should come.
FOB: No thanks
Canvas:

My plan was to DHV a lot and somehow maneuver ramble with sexual tension. I think I have something like that going, but I don’t know where to go at the moment. Any suggestions? Thanks bros!
I figured you didn’t tip stripper and waitresses you want to fuck.. It is a self-serve buffet too.

[MasterCanvas]

Well, the pierced aesthetician went radio silent.

The FOB went radio silent as well.

The OKC girl had something come up on Friday, and I have not tried to reschedule anything yet. We are still chatting, but I might ghost in a few days.

I have met up with the Guatemalan girl twice since we banged on the first date. She has come over to my house and made me authentic fajitas and rice with homemade guacamole and Pico De Gallo. It was superb! We have marathon fuck sessions, and she is locked down as far as I can tell. We still haven’t had the dreaded DTR talk. I am wondering when that will take place, and I am still unsure what I want to be with her.

I have a few leads from Tinder, and I still seem to blow a few every other day. Can you go pretty straight forwards from a tinder match to setting a date up, or should you delay for a day then set plans and get her number?

I haven’t been able to go out and approach over the past week. I have been moving to a new house, and work has been hectic with audits.

[AFC]

In my experience with Tinder, you need to set up a date or at least secure a number then schedule a date from there. The longer you wait on Tinder is more time she is starting conversation with new matches and you run risk of losing her attention.