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Is there a positive to the degradation of Western women?
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Is there a positive to the degradation of Western women?

Quote: (05-08-2016 01:12 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

If what you are feeling is a lack of authenticity, then the problem is you, not women.

If you feel that the women that surround in Canada are inauthentic, you would do well to understand that you grew up with similar social influences, went to the same schools, watched the same TV shows, etc., etc. I'm not saying they are not ultimately responsible for their own behavior, but you are certainly responsible for appraising your own role in society.

You seem to posit, also, that the societal degradation has revealed "women's true nature." How can you hold onto this belief while simultaneously believing that women have been devalued and debased by Western society? Have women been exposed for who they really are or have they been corrupted by a degenerate social order?

Further, when you travel abroad to another country, you aren't going to find women you consider traditional precisely because it isn't your tradition; i.e., you are a foreigner in that culture. You can certainly find women of different temperaments because of the culture, but you will be completely un-moored from anything you consider traditional. Unless, of course, what you consider traditional is simply some view of sex relations seen through gauzy, rose-colored lenses.

As SamBRoberts alludes to, you are what you do. If you feel inauthentic, it is most likely because you feel alienated from your own culture and you don't feel a connection between what you do and who you consider yourself to be. Alot of this could simply be due to age, but also it is due to Western culture affecting you. It is not just women who have been dismantled and reconstructed like some consumerist Frankenstein.

If you want to be more authentic, you have some soul-searching to do. Learning to control and channel your thoughts and adopting good habits so they become second nature are key here.

Here is thread by Beyond Borders that may help you: What Are the Most Powerful Habits You've ACTUALLY Adopted for Huge Results?

Excellent post!

I really think it applies to Luther so I suggest that he read it again.

That post also applies to many other situations talked about on this forum.

1 - If you have a problem with another person or a group of people, the real problem is likely a problem you have with yourself and the best way to solve the problem is to look in the mirror.

2 - If you agree that western culture has poisoned western women then you need to take a hard look at what that culture has done to you and what changes you need to make. If you came from the same culture then you must have been affected also.

3 - A few forum members, especially newer guys, still have the idea that foreign women are a magic pill that will solve all their game problems. Unfortunately they actually require more work. You still need to learn game (probably even more important with foreign women because they have more game), you have to learn about other cultures and if you live abroad you will probably need to learn another language.
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Is there a positive to the degradation of Western women?

It's true that female nature is universal, but social indoctrination is HUGE part of who someone is. A person's personality and entire essence has more to do with the way they were raised and their development than with genetics.

Western society is not returning women to the natural state. Dominance is not woman's natural state. However, if you can through the forces of nature make her submissive, which is more than possible, you get a girl who can be very pleasant, and sexually unhinged. Some of the girls I have liked the most over my career were Western (Polish, French, Mexican, Brazilian and yes, even American...). Naturally not all of them, but I have found some rare great ones in these places. You can find ideal relationships in some of these places in terms of both personal and sexual compatibility, the only problem are them being sluts. I always resented that some girls I genuinely liked were raging whores. This, unfortunately, makes them undateable in the long term, but if you can put it aside in the context of a mini-relationship, the West can indeed a pleasant dating life. An issue with conservative girls, naturally, is that even if they may try to please you sexually, their lack of inherent dirtiness isn't in touch with your own mentality. This generates a certain distance, with sluts, you do indeed feel somewhat on the some page. As a player, some of the girls you will like the most WILL be undateable sluts, but that is one of nasty realities of this lifestyle.
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Is there a positive to the degradation of Western women?

Quote: (05-08-2016 12:00 AM)Luther Wrote:  

Hey guys... long time lurker first time poster.

Women from traditional non western cultures make better wife and LTR material, generally speaking. We know this. They can be sweeter, feminine, more submissive, chaste, domestic...

But are they really?

I firmly believe that women are the same everywhere. The "better women" from other countries have simply been trained by their culture to behave properly. The same way western women were trained a few generations ago. Most of you already know and understand that. It's smoke and mirrors on their part. You've seen how quickly non western women can turn after moving abroad or being introduced to western influences in their own country.

True. They are "better" only because in the east women have much more limitations, boundaries, restrictions than they have in the west. I mean things like culture, upbringing, living conditions, traditions, law, peer pressure, etc. It all shapes their personality and character.

However their innate nature is the same.

Women in the west have become what they are because they have been given more freedom in general. Freedom exposes our character. It's only when we're free to do anything without any or little repercussions we start acting in alignment with our true self.

For example, if men were told tomorrow that from now on law only applies to women, not men, you will see most men turn into criminals/rapists in a week. Why? No consequences. It's similar thing with women in western culture. There can get away with much much more therefore they abuse that power and that's why they what they are now.

My girl from Ukraine told me that it's not rare to see a guy straight up hitting his woman in face on main street just because he got pissed at her and nobody says a word seeing it. How come? People and especially that woman can do very little about it cause they live under certain limitations, boundaries and restrictions that don't allow them to fight back. I don't approve it, it's just an example. If she knew she could sue his ass just like that and easily win she would act completely different.

Women are women.

Western women act in certain way now simply because they know the can. That's it. The feminine angels from EE/FSU that this forum tend to masturbate to would turn into the same sassy bitches from hell if they lived in the same environment. People are highly adaptable social creatures. Women especially, they soak in what's going on around, pay attention to things that constitute social status and emulate it. Whether it's behaviors, trends, gadgets, equipment, fashion, lifestyle, etc.
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