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(05-03-2016 01:24 PM)Delta Wrote:  

I don't see what the problem is. It's not news that unintentional pregnancies happen all the time. This is just a less irresponsible alternative to abandoning your baby in a dumpster, or raising a kid you don't want.

So? People have to do shit they don't want all the time....painful, hard, tiring shit they don't want to do. Men have to do shit they don't want to do in order to pay child support money, or to support stay at home wives. They have to sign up for the draft in the US, for military service in others, and have to do shit they don't want to do.

It's called responsiblity, the lack of which in America is why it's gotten to where it has.

[mpr]

(05-03-2016 01:42 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

There is one benefit of this.

Fewer child support demands on men.

Imagine you knocked up some slut who doesn't want to get rid of the baby because of ethical or religious reasons.

Then you hear they're installing these baby boxes all across your city.

Convincing her to give up a baby through the formal adoption process is FAR more difficult then convincing her to drop off the baby at one of these boxes.

You could be in the car with her one day when the baby is screaming away, she's stressed out and more malleable.

Indirectly you're still paying for it via tax but it's no longer a life-consuming burden.

Of course then you're screwing over everyone else in your state because they then have to pay for your baby.

Ah VasalGel can't get here soon enough.

I pay enough in taxes. I don't feel bad for trying to get some of that money back. Anyway that's how insurance works. The insured pay a small amount each month in order to pool their resources to hedge against the risk of being destroyed by a low probability high risk catastrophic event.

[mpr]

(05-03-2016 01:48 PM)Horus Wrote:  

What happens if your wife is suffering from post-natal depression, and in an act of desperation drops the child off anonymously at one of these boxes? Assuming that you are able to track the child down and want to continue to care for it yourself (after you divorce the wife) is she then liable to pay child support in the same way that men are required after they "abandon" their families?

That's the thing. Abandonment laws both violate the fathers parental rights; while simultaneously violating the 14th amendment. Men have no legal mechanism to unilaterally abandon their parental responsibilities. Quite a feat!

[Paracelsus]

(05-03-2016 04:44 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 04:38 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

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The Knights of Columbus of Indiana

As a Catholic, I find this so embarrassing. We are acting as enablers of those who wish to whore around. The local chapter of the Knights has been trying to get me to join. If they pull this nonsense, I'll give them an earful.

Bear in mind the reasons for this: us Catholics call abortion a grave sin, so they think this is a cool way to give women an alternative to killing the kid outright. The problem being is that -- as the statistical history of contraceptives and abortions in the US shows, unequivocally -- the more options you give women, the less responsible they are. One of the arguments for the Pill was that it would stop abortions. The historical experience indicated entirely otherwise: over the decades since the Pill was introduced, abortion rates skyrocketed.

The irony of it is that the Knights of Columba paying for this shit are enabling women to regard human life as even less sacred than how they already see it.

[John Michael Kane]

I agree that abortion is a terrible evil. But the bishops need to condemn all this whoring around more strongly from the pulpit. Too many of the leadership of the Catholic church is too worried about offending women, instead of saving their immortal souls. The pill is a great evil, and the Knights, nor the Catholic church should act as enablers. I told off a cute Catholic girl in my social circle that feminism is a cancer. She acted really indignant, but has been warming up to me over the last few weeks. Bottom line is, Catholic men, and the Catholic leadership need game!

[Valentine]

The thing is people respond far more strongly to laws then they do to shaming.

Divorce used to be shamed, but now with no-fault divorce it's the opposite.

Sluts used to be shamed, now with the pill and abortions she's free to slut it up.

Now it's the same with actual pregnancy and babies.

A bit of shaming can't stem the tide that an enabling Government brings.

[John Michael Kane]

Valentine, you make a great point. You need laws to act as enforcement, but ideally, you have that working in tandem with shame. The two combined act as an extremely powerful disincentive to misbehave.